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And in the Midlands: It's Independents' Day. Three of our | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
five newly-elected Police Commissioners aren't affiliated to | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2389 seconds | :01:40. | :41:30. | |
the main parties. We joined one of Hello once again from the Midlands. | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
I'm Patrick Burns. With me to digest the results of the Police | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
and Crime Commissioner elections, I'm joined by two MPs from | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
Staffordshire. Rob Flello the Labour MP for Stoke-on-Trent South | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
and Aidan Burley, the Conservative for Cannock Chase. And yes, Rob is | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
taking part in Movember - where chaps grow moustaches for charity | :41:46. | :41:56. | |
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to raise awareness of men's cancers. More on that at the end of the | :41:57. | :42:05. | |
programme, by which time it will have grown bushier still! Our main | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
political event of the week made slightly more of an impression than | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
Rob's moustache, the election of our five Police And Crime | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
Commissioners, with, as predicted, some seriously low turnout figures. | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
Staffordshire's were the lowest anywhere in England and Wales. | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
Within that force area, for every ten voters in Stoke-on-Trent, nine | :42:23. | :42:33. | |
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stayed away. Only one of the candidates gave me any information | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
and I thought it was appalling. I do not deep with it, it should have | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
gone to at vote on whether we actually needed at Commissioner. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
do not think there was enough information about candidates on | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
about the campaign. I did not really understand what it was all | :42:56. | :43:02. | |
about so I did not vote. I did not know what it was all about. I think | :43:02. | :43:12. | |
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I had some information through the post but I did not read it. On the | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
evidence of the stalk and indeed, throughout the Midlands and | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
throughout the country, overwhelmingly the voters have | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
rejected it. We will need to learn lessons for the next time. Not | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
holding elections in the winter months would be a good start. | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
Herbert was the cheerleader and he was sacked, we have not heard much | :43:39. | :43:47. | |
from Damian Green. In the West Midlands Bob Jones got 117,000 | :43:47. | :43:57. | |
votes on a turnout of 12%. The proof of this policy I do not think | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
will be in the turnout but in what these individuals do in the next | :44:02. | :44:10. | |
four years. Do the drive down crime and anti-social behaviour? And your | :44:10. | :44:18. | |
party did not exactly cover itself in glory. It seemed to just recycle | :44:18. | :44:26. | |
old politicians. Forgive me but I would really disagree on this, the | :44:26. | :44:33. | |
Government knew what it was doing holding the election in November. | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
Everyone said if you had it then the turnout would be law. I think | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
the Prime Minister has embarrassed himself even more over this by | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
having it in November and with such an appallingly low turnout, much | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
worse than Labour predicted. This has wasted �100 million that could | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
have been so much better spent in other areas. I am waiting for the | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
finance minister to apologise to the country for having these | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
elections. Do you agree that it was a huge waste of money? The existing | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
police the authorities already cost 100 million each year to run and | :45:17. | :45:27. | |
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best individual will be holding them to account. Trade unions have | :45:27. | :45:32. | |
a small number of hard call -- hardcore militants lefties, they | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
should not hold the country to ransom. The Prime Minister was | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
saying that the results of the union ballots were not legitimate | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
because of the low turnout, what does this say? In a moment, we'll | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
be joined by the new Police Commissioner for Gloucestershire. | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
But before that, let's see what happened when Warwickshire's | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
Commissioner hit his new beat, with BBC Coventry and Warwickshire's | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
Political Reporter Sian Grzeszczyk. What impact will the low turnout | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
have on our five new PCCs? It was the same story right across the | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
region. Just a handful of papers in some ballot boxes in Staffordshire. | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
Not exactly enough to keep the counters occupied. In Coventry, it | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
was proving hard to stay awake. While in Shrewsbury, the intentions | :46:16. | :46:23. | |
of some voters who did bother to turn up were far from certain. The | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
size of the operation in Birmingham disguised the 12% turnout in the | :46:26. | :46:36. | |
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biggest force area outside of London. In the run-up to these | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
elections the main talking point was fear of low turnout. Now they | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
are imposed, what can we expect from our new Police And Crime | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
Commissioners? In Warwickshire this airline pilot quit his job spending | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
part of his children's inheritance to stand as an independent. Used to | :46:55. | :47:02. | |
landing in challenging conditions the gamble paid off. What is your | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
top priority? What are you going to do? I am a great fan of local | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
policing, to get that working correctly we need to make sure | :47:12. | :47:19. | |
people know their local officer and that the officer knows his or her | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
patch well and knows the local offenders. Let's talk to the local | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
people. The you have got a tricky job of balancing funding, the | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
demands of the police and the demands of victims of crime. | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
sounds as though you have got it as one, that is exactly what it will | :47:39. | :47:45. | |
be about. What do you want him to do, what should he focus on? | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
Everybody is seeing the same thing, crime on the street. I cannot think | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
of anything more important. That has come up a lot throughout the | :47:54. | :48:03. | |
campaign. For the first time I did not actually cast my vote. I was | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
leaning towards you because you are independent and I believe very | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
strongly that this should be a political job. Will rank-and-file | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
officers support the commissioners? It is a mandate, however you look | :48:19. | :48:25. | |
at it, however low the turnout, it is a mandate to start. It is a | :48:25. | :48:33. | |
democratic process of publicly elected people, whether it works or | :48:33. | :48:40. | |
not we will still get on with the job, it is not that important to is | :48:40. | :48:47. | |
in charge along as we carry on protecting the public. The very | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
same public you in overwhelming numbers decided not to vote. It is | :48:51. | :49:01. | |
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now up to the commissioners to prove their worth. And as promised, | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
the Police And Crime Commissioner- elect of Gloucestershire, Martin | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
Surl, also joins us this morning. A former superintendent, he commanded | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
operations in Cheltenham and Tewkesbury. And he has been elected | :49:10. | :49:17. | |
on a promise not to allow policing to become politicised. | :49:17. | :49:23. | |
Congratulations. Let me break it to you gently, you are now a | :49:23. | :49:31. | |
politician! You were elected, it you have campaigned. You have to | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
exercise the soft powers of politics. We have been doing that | :49:36. | :49:43. | |
in policing for along time. It was a political environment. The big | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
differences, it was not party political. We always work with them | :49:48. | :49:54. | |
no matter what colour they were. Isn't there a danger that as a | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
former senior officer at yourself you are going to be meddlesome. You | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
will find it very difficult to keep out of the operational area that | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
should be a matter for the police force themselves? I think people | :50:06. | :50:16. | |
like myself will know what and what is not strategical and operational. | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
I think as a former commander I will know where the operational | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
line is and where the strategic line is. I do not think that is | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
actually a problem. Among your earliest charges you had an acting | :50:31. | :50:41. | |
chief constable and you need a new one. Before were and current chief | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
I wish all the good fortune for the future but we need some stability | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
for the future. If you have also got 25% of budget cuts to contend | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
with, haven't you? Yes, that is not great. In credit to the outgoing a | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
authority, the handle that very well. It is a big issue for any | :51:04. | :51:14. | |
commissioner. We cannot take any more cuts. You have spawned a new | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
generation of predominantly independent politicians here who | :51:15. | :51:24. | |
are going to have to fight in many circumstances. People see the | :51:25. | :51:32. | |
police as independent. So this is a trial for the Tories to see this | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
wave of independence? They get an idea of how they would guide the | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
force, what the independents have to do is drive down crime in their | :51:43. | :51:51. | |
area and stand on their record in four year's time. That is what the | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
Tory chairman said in the programme today, people will cotton on to | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
this now that high profile figures are in place. I think what we are | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
seeing that the Government are positioning people like Martin, who | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
has my congratulations and support, but positioning people like him so | :52:12. | :52:19. | |
that when further cuts come down the line it will be 15,004 2015. | :52:19. | :52:26. | |
That will be frontline officers losing their jobs. They will say it | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
is not the Government, it is your local police and Crown Commissioner. | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
That is the story from Government, time and again it is always | :52:36. | :52:43. | |
somebody else's fault. It is about the allocation of scarce resources | :52:43. | :52:50. | |
and how you choose to allocate those finite resources. He has to | :52:50. | :52:59. | |
stand on his record in four years' time. The community policing side | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
of his job, what if you have, especially with independent people | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
in charge, different emphasis from one forced to the other. How then | :53:09. | :53:17. | |
can you have a cohesive sense, crime does not respect police force | :53:17. | :53:23. | |
area is, does it? They now have an accountable individual that they | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
can contact and hold responsible. Look at what happened in London | :53:27. | :53:36. | |
when Boris Johnson was elected. The number of letters went up from 30 | :53:36. | :53:45. | |
per week to 300. I think you can quote anecdotes about writing | :53:45. | :53:55. | |
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letters. I get plenty into my postbag about policing. The �100 | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
million wasted on this election could have paid for so many more | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
police officers. People like Martin will have to carry D can for this. | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
Policing is not political on the streets or in the forces. That is | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
important. But you are wrong to say they do not know what they will get | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
from me. I have written a comprehensive manifesto, far more | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
comprehensive than any of the opposition. I will be delivering | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
that manifesto. It is completely wrong to say I am an unknown | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
quantity. The county know me well. I have lived there for 55 years. | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
They know what they are going to get from me. It was not just a low | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
turnout because it was cold and wet, they did not want this to be at | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
political fight. Next election they should ask whether politicians | :54:53. | :55:00. | |
should be standing or not. Isn't that a positive thing? He has | :55:00. | :55:10. | |
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written a manifesto, people can read it, they can contact him. | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
we had was a situation where the police the authority did a good job | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
until it was handed over. The issue is that actually this is an | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
election that was Centre for the Government's and the Government | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
have overwhelmingly said they did not want any of it. Will you carry | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
on with the job? The yes, I am looking forward to it. It is a big | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
job, it is not just about on the streets, it is about budgets, it is | :55:43. | :55:50. | |
a big job. Thank you. Just imagine this. You run a business, and after | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
years of training, your workforce start to retire. But there aren't | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
enough younger people around who know how to do the job, or even | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
want to. So your business struggles. It's what's known as the skills-gap. | :55:59. | :56:08. | |
And it's a big problem here. This week, our business correspondent | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
Peter Plisner has been looking for some answers to it. There's no | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
doubt that the workforce is getting older and this Birmingham firm | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
provides the evidence. Although here there are apprentices, it's | :56:16. | :56:26. | |
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Managing Director says training them up is a slow process. In 15 or | :56:27. | :56:34. | |
20 years' time I will have no work force. The opening of the last week | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
of Skills Show, designed to get more young people interested in | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
aquiring skills. In attendance at Birmingham's NEC, the Business | :56:39. | :56:47. | |
Secretary who's a big fan. It is like the Olympics but it is in | :56:47. | :56:57. | |
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skills. We do very well as do places like Courier. The country | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
needs to have skilled employees and young people need jobs. And this is | :57:04. | :57:11. | |
what it's all about. Young people from schools all over, having a go, | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
getting enthused. But will it really help reduce the skills-gap? | :57:14. | :57:23. | |
Some of the teachers accompanying the kids thought so. It is not all | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
about celebrity, many young people will end up in couriers like this | :57:28. | :57:38. | |
when they are older. -- careers. And according to those behind this | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
event, it's also helping to get a clearer picture of exactly what's | :57:41. | :57:49. | |
needed in the future. There has been significant discussion with | :57:49. | :57:56. | |
employers to make sure we have the skills that they need. The problem | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
is, unless we're able to attract the workers of tomorrow then youth | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
unemployment and the so called skills-gap can only get worse. | :58:01. | :58:09. | |
Peter Plisner at the Skills Show which ended yesterday. If you think | :58:09. | :58:15. | |
of Stoke, a lot of those issues are relevant. A lot of this has | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
happened on your watch. A lot of investment to take work forces who | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
are losing their jobs and we still them and retrain them into other | :58:26. | :58:34. | |
employment. People who used to work in mines and the ceramic industry | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
have been retrained and least guilt under Labour. Now hardly a week | :58:40. | :58:49. | |
goes by without Vince Cable highlighting more apprenticeships | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
which have risen since this Government went in. It was a | :58:53. | :59:01. | |
defunct system when he came in in 1987, we invested in it, helped it, | :59:01. | :59:07. | |
supported it and got it working again. They have taken a situation | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
that was improving and improved and they have continued it. I am happy | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
to knock the Government when what they do is not working but when | :59:16. | :59:23. | |
they have taken something and run with it, it has improved. So in | :59:23. | :59:32. | |
terms of the race we are falling behind in that race, aren't we? | :59:32. | :59:40. | |
mentioned do unemployment, during the boom years with the last | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
Government the number of people in jobs actually went down. Young | :59:47. | :59:52. | |
people over the age of 14 can learn Engineering and business in | :59:52. | :59:59. | |
academies. Thinking of long-term younger unemployed people, what can | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
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they do to help themselves? I have held three Job fears. I tell young | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
people to go and ask to do work experience which often leads to | :00:19. | :00:29. | |
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getting a foot in the door and paid employment. -- fairs. We have seen | :00:34. | :00:43. | |
2.5 years of stagnation and flat line. We could go on, but we cannot. | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
Now our regular round-up of the political week in the Midlands in | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
60 seconds. Here's Elizabeth Glinka. Just days after after appearing on | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
this programme, former Independent MP Richard Taylor was back at | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
Westminster. The retired doctor launched a new party, National | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
Health Action, with candidates in up to 50 seats. Two serious | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
incidents in a week at Birmingham prison. Four officers were injured | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
by a remand prisoner. Then an inmate got on the roof. Concern | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
about the private firm running the jail. What we have got to do is | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
have people who understand the structure who can run it, it's not | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
just people who are plonked in because they are a better price or | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
whatever. West Midlands Fire and Ambulance Services will share a | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
number of fire stations. They say it'll make them cheaper, and faster. | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
Drivers in Coventry have been left confused by double BLACK lines. The | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
double yellows have been painted over as part of a new parking | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
scheme. If you park on them you'll still get a ticket. And Birmingham | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
council's revealed its bill for equal pay compensation will top | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
:01:58. | :02:00. | ||
�750 million. Women were paid less than men for doing the same job. | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
That equalled the issue. The leader says it threatens the city council | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
with becoming bankrupt. You wear a former Birmingham City Council it | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
yourself. This has gone back through successive parties, hasn't | :02:18. | :02:26. | |
it? It is a problem that has been going for a long time. It is brewed | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
right in terms of its still employed workforce. -- put right. | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
It is people who were formerly employed getting recompense. What | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
we had with the previous Government was when the previous equalisation | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
payments were required we had support from the Government, I am | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
not sure this time you will get the same. What can be done? I feel | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
sorry for the dinner ladies who did not get the bonuses while the dust | :02:59. | :03:09. | |
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men dead. We must not use this as a fig leaf. -- dustmen. They must not | :03:19. | :03:29. | |
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forget that this is a story that must be told. Now let's talk about | :03:29. | :03:39. | |
Movember. It is about raising money for men's cancers and raising | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
awareness. There are the guys sitting here, never talked about | :03:46. | :03:56. | |
for generations. To stay clean- shaven? It would take me about | :03:56. | :04:04. |