24/06/2012 Sunday Politics West


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Welcome to the Sunday politics. In the West, please help me to dive.


That's that we from Tony Nicklen son, paralysed after a stroke. He's


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Welcome to the Sunday politics in the West. Coming up, one man's


fight to die. Tony Nicklinson was left paralysed after a massive


stock. He can't move any of his body and he cannot speak but his


mind is unaffected. He has gone to the High Court to ask for a man --


the rate for someone to kill him. We're joined this week in the


studio by the Conservative MP John Penrose. He is the Minister in


charge of tourism and a big fan of staycations. We're also joined by


the shadow minister in the Foreign Office. This week, Michael Gove and


making rather a fury with talk of abolishing the GCSEs. Where do you


stand on that? -- furore. We want to ensure that everyone is leaving


school with some qualifications and that that solid quality is still


there. What Michael Gold is worried about is that over time, things


could get worse. Pupils can only take the exam in front of them at


the time but you have to make sure you maintain standards over time.


Back to the 1950s? I was one of the last of people to take all levels.


-- O levels. The schools then were very segregated and making that


decision about how much a child can achieve at an early age is totally


wrong. I think there should be just one example stop it is also wrong


to Marline the pupils taking GCSEs now. Standards have improved and


pupils are better than in my day. Now tour top story. The Wiltshire


man has taken his fight to have a doctor lawfully tell him to the


High Court. Tony Nicklinson is paralysed from the neck down after


a stroke. His mind is unaffected but he cannot move and he is unable


to take his own life as he wishes to do without the help of a doctor.


The case raises huge ethical and social issues which will spark a


huge debate in the weeks to come. Like most people, I did not give


suicide are thought. It certainly is true that you do not know what


you had an tell you no longer have it. He was the life and soul of the


party take. He was a rugby player and a real alpha male. He went


skydiving and did all sorts of beat -- crazy things. A a time more come


when he says enough is enough at his only option is Switzerland


which he might consider eventually. That is if our legal case does not


panic. The alternative is starvation, a nasty way to go. With


a I be able to do it? I do not know until the time comes. It is what he


wants. If you love someone, you will do anything to help them. What


more can I do? There is nothing I can do. I do not think people can


realise what a novel thing it is to see the person you love and there


and you cannot believe their pain. It is wrong that I should be


discriminated against because I am disabled so that I cannot take my


own life. The decision on how and where to end one's life as a basic


human right. We're joined by Tony Nicklinson's daughter. Thank you


for joining us. You said it is pure torture for your dad. What is it


like for you and your family? horrible to see him like that. He


was allowed an outgoing person before, who loved his life, and he


is now effectively trapped in a dead body. It is tough for us to


see him in such anguish day in and day out and to face another 30


years of that. It makes me sick to my stomach. Essentially, what


you're asking for a somebody to tell your dad. If anyone were to


help him die now, they could face a murder charge. -- kill your dad. We


are looking for a doctor to have the legal right to end someone's


life. You're asking for what would amount to a massive change in the


law. We want a system to be put in place and the very heavily


regulated, a very stringent system put in place, whereby he would have


to be unsound mind. You would have to request it, to protect the


vulnerable. You would have to go through court systems and


psychiatric testing and it would only be available to people who


cannot kill themselves. Only a very small minority would be in that


situation. None of us can put ourselves in that situation but is


it something the Government is putting its head in the sand about


because it cannot come up with a viable solution? This is really


hard because it is a heartbreaking case. While everybody's heart goes


out in this case, the danger is a different kind of case somewhere in


future way up if you get the legal changes wrong, you could end up


with all sorts of dangerous precedents being set. You have to


try really carefully, and I am not saying you should not try and we


have a parliamentary debate on this, but it is difficult stuff to get


right. He says he is discriminated against. Should he have the right


to die? What more fundamental right could there be than the right to be


able to have a say in that sort of matter. I 100% support him and his


family. How far should that goal? Should adopt a repeat in a position


where he can legally kill somebody? Their need to be the safeguards we


have spoken about. -- they're. Opponents some up stories where


they make doctor seemed almost like Harold Shipman that there helping


people shuffle off this mortal coil. That is not the scenario at all.


Courts will be involved, psychiatrists will be involved,


other people will be involved. I have had pumped -- family members


with long and slow deaths and we know that sometimes doctors


increase the morphine doses to ease their pain and that brings forward


their death. That is the humane thing to do. You talk about


parliamentary debates on this. There something like 3000


euthanasia cases in this country that have gone unreported.


Government after government speak about this but we never get any


further? That is what is so difficult. There is a degree of


consensus around this but if you take it more broadly across society,


there are huge objections and people with strong moral objections,


and whether we disagree with them or not, we have to respect them.


There are regular churchgoers who feel strongly that this is wrong. I


would hope that everyone has huge sympathy with this. Is it a matter


of Loch awe of religion or of ethics? There does tend to be our


faith lobby in Parliament and they have the right to their religious


beliefs but when it interferes with people's fundamental human rights,


there is an imbalance. There is an imbalance with policy being


dictated to some extent by people from certain sections and it is


important we listen to people like Tony Nicklinson's family. You live


with us the very day and this is one of the biggest ethical dilemmas


anyone could have but it is you're father and your family? For a lot


of people, they see it on the newspaper or on television but this


is my dad and someone that I love and have to see him go through hell


every day. Although we have to look get used across society as a whole,


we're talking about a case here that should be judged on its own,


on its own merits. This only affects a very small on specific


part of society, and that is my dad, so that means more to me than


anything. We need to talk about this and we need that to happen.


Thank you for coming in. �100 million a year, tens of


thousands of cows slaughtered. Everyone agrees something must be


done to tackle bovine tuberculosis. The government plans to start


culling badgers across the West Country. The High Court has told


them the call must be stopped because the signs does not stack up.


-- cull. This lot are of cattle affected by


bovine tuberculosis is put it -- becoming more common particularly


in the West Country. The farm is now under strict controls. This


farmer has been given the all-clear after several like bricks. As an


organic farmer he cares for Nature but believes badgers must be culled.


There are things we can do in terms of management of the farm but


disease coming on -- coming in that we do not have any control over his


frustrating. After a ten-year scientific trial, it was found that


Carling was not worth it. The Coalition proposed a large culls


paid for by farmers to reduce bovine tuberculosis by up to 16%.


The badger caught -- the badger cull is going to the High Court.


Many groups up mounting strong legal challenges. Here in Wales, we


know the government called off its call. Not a popular decision. --


cull. People have said to me time and again that the decision has to


be made unscientific evidence. That is what the chief scientific


officer did for us. It found that a mass Kohl was not needed in this


situation. In Westminster it has become


partisan. The scourge has been exacerbated by the fact the


Government did nothing about it. This week, this you seemed popular


across both benches but some true- blue Tories do not see it that way.


This senior Bristol Conservative offer a paper on the subject and


concluded that badger culling could be a costly failure. It is the


wrong approach and it has been shown by the science. All of the


scientists involved in the last trial are opposed to it now and we


need a new approach. Badger culling does not work so let's focus on


vaccination. All agreed it vaccinating badgers is an important


step forward. There is a long way to go yet. The blight of bovine


tuberculosis the man's a urgent action.


Joining the debate today is the head of the secret world animal


rescue centre in Somerset. The cause have luck, badgers, don't


they? Should maybe colt? -- they be culled? I take issue with the work,


have luck. We have done the experiment which has told us that


killing badgers is not the answer. To get a 16% reduction over 10


years, I think we should be concentrating on vaccination. There


are so many things still to do with cattle and it is a cattle disease.


That is the point. It has been a long and highly expensive trial and


the badger culling and the conclusion is that makes very


little difference. We're putting �50 million a year into this. We


have to do something about it. I take issue with saying badger


culling does not work. Back in the 1950s, there was any idea from


where Port -- bovine tuberculosis was removed for 40 years. The


current results are that where the badger culling areas where, one


trial did nothing, and one was clear culled. We do not want to see


badgers killed and Mrs Ali but we have a situation now with bovine


tuberculosis but we are testing cows now once a year and nothing is


happening. We will get on to the political side and a second or two,


but what you're talking about here is taking the badger culling into


your own hands and paying for it? In times gone by, a different


organisation supported it but with the pressure and the economy, it is


coming down to the producers. We have studied the costs of the


methodology of doing it very minutely and have got it down to


manageable costs, far less than what the Government were doing.


Labour throughout badger culling. They realised with the 10 you test


it was simply not working. Why are you in favour of it? If you look at


what happened after the ban on badger culling was introduced many


years ago, this was back in the 1980s, when the original ban was


imposed, bovine tuberculosis started to rise the following year.


We had less than 1000 cows being paid Nationwide -- killed it


nationwide. That is to say nothing of many badgers dying horrible


deaths from tuberculosis. Badger culling is not the only part of the


answer and many other things are needed, which we are already doing.


But we cannot just pretend there is no problem. Nobody is pretending


there is no problem. Even your own grip came up with the idea that


badger culling is a costly mistake. At what stage do you say the


science tells us badger culling is not a good idea? I would take issue


with that grip's conclusions. group's. As we are doing it at the


moment, tuberculosis cannot be eradicated. Just carrying on as we


are is not working. This will help. What is the answer? Vaccination is


highly expensive? It is expensive but it is effective. Badger culling


is expensive and ineffective. Reducing cattle to cattle


transmission, introducing P movement testing as well as post


movement testing. And we still doing nothing as John Penrose is


suggesting? There have been very effective vaccination programmes


and the need to be rolled out because they are a long-term


solution. Without getting too technical, the evidence is that the


consequences of badger culling can to help spread the disease.


vaccination is only -- the testing is only 60% accurate. We have less


farms that are working as dairy farms now but the number of cattle


and the dairy industry remains the same.


I have to take issue with you. I have been testing my cows for the


last 10 years on a 60 day basis. To say that the test is ineffective,


when it is carried out five times a year, you get a pretty good measure


of what is going on. What we have to do is get on top of this disease.


We will have to leave it there. Time now for a look at some of the


other political stories making the headlines and a 62nd round up.


The legal case against nine former directors of the Christmas hamper


business their pack has collapsed. The company folded six years ago.


The Business Secretary Vince Cable says he is deeply disappointed.


Conservative councillors in Bath and Somerset have failed in their


attempt to stop a consultation about plans for traveller sets in


the district. Local people against the proposals protesters outside


the Guildhall and Bath will stop a week of elections as the political


parties ramp up their campaigns towards the November elections.


Labour chose Bob Ashford who stood for the party the foreign


parliamentary elections. I am not satisfied with mediocrity. I do not


want us to underperform any more work and to be all that we can be.


Andrew Neil and David Garmston with the latest political news, including an interview with the chief secretary to the treasury, Danny Alexander. Also in the programme, Respect MP, George Galloway and defence select committee member, Bob Stewart, go head-to-head on the future of the Falklands.

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