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In the west, The North Somerset MP Liam Fox hits out at the elite | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
within his own party. Who can he mean? And has he still | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
got his eye on the top Conservative job. | :01:31. | :01:41. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2175 seconds | :01:41. | :37:56. | |
Thank you, Andrew. Welcome to Sunday Politics in the West. Today: | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
A doctor's prescription for making the Conservatives more attractive. | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
Liam Fox tells us why David Cameron and the Westminster elite should | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
listen to people like him. I have been putting him on the spot. | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
Giving us an injection of political wit and experience are our guests | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
today. They are the Lib Dem Don Foster, who has been given a | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
ministerial job under Eric Pickles, and the Conservative from Wiltshire, | :38:22. | :38:30. | |
Justin Tomlinson. Don, congratulations on becoming a | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
minister. It is great fun. Incredibly hard work, and a huge | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
steep learning curve. Within 24 hours of being appointed, I was | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
leading a debate on the topic of building regulations. I had to stay | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
up all night to learn about the issues. Within three days, I was | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
giving evidence in front of the select committee, then within a | :38:57. | :39:06. | |
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week, stand at the Despatch Box and answer questions. You were our sort | :39:07. | :39:14. | |
of a new boy. Do you aspire to ministerial office? He was a | :39:14. | :39:24. | |
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natural at the dispatch box. It is a wonderful opportunity. We are | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
seeing more opportunities as backbench MPs to actually shape the | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
direction of policy. It is an exciting time, hard work, and | :39:36. | :39:45. | |
sometimes things take a long time. First, can the correlation between | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
the Conservatives and Lib Dems last? Attentions are coming to the | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
surface, and Liam Fox does not try to hide his disappointment that the | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
liberals are watering down Tory policies -- tensions at coming to | :39:58. | :40:07. | |
the surface. Two conferences, two weeks and 170 miles apart, but at | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
times, the gap appeared much bigger. Playing to their audiences, Tories | :40:11. | :40:17. | |
and Lib Dems are made jibes at each other. A lead the Conservatives be | :40:17. | :40:24. | |
in no doubt, we will hold them to their promises on the environment. | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
No other party make that commitment. Not Labour, not the Liberal | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
Democrats, just us, the Conservatives. I will not allow us | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
as a party to be bound hand and float to Tory spending plans across | :40:36. | :40:45. | |
next Parliament. Sitting at, but speaking up a bit more these days | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
his former defence secretary Liam Fox. He has just launched a new | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
group, Conservative Voice, which aims to push the party further to | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
the right. I think it is actually a very healthy that we are able to a | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
spouse clear conservative viewpoint distinct from the coalition. Other | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
partners growing apart? The Tories will do their damnedest to Gullit | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
alone after the next election. The Lib Dems are wondering who they | :41:10. | :41:19. | |
might get into bed with after 2015, although not all are happy to say. | :41:19. | :41:28. | |
What was the question? Who is your preferred coalition partner? | :41:28. | :41:36. | |
away. I am not saying. As a minister, you have to juggle many | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
balls. A I could not possibly comment. Liam Fox doesn't just | :41:42. | :41:48. | |
disapprove of Lib Dem policies. He is also critical of his own party's | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
leadership, suggesting there out of touch and remote. He calls them a | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
metropolitan elite. I asked him who he had in mind. Not just the Tory | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
party, I was talking about politics in general. We spend a great deal | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
of time and effort talking about House of Lords reform. That is an | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
issue for the metropolitans, for the Westminster village. It is not | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
an issue they talk about in Portishead or in my constituency, | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
where people talk about employment and about prosperity, about | :42:24. | :42:34. | |
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pensions and their economic future. The implication is that you get it, | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
but Mr Cameron doesn't. No, I think there is a tendency in Westminster | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
to be very Westminster Oriented. I think it affect all the political | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
parties. I think that is one of the things the party conference season | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
does, it gets politicians out amongst activists and other parts | :42:56. | :43:04. | |
of the country. I hope that at the end of the three weeks of | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
conferences, we go back to Westminster with a better | :43:07. | :43:14. | |
understanding about what the voters want to talk about rather than | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
self-indulgent political discussions. Truth in the London | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
elite -- do you think the Tory party should be run by somebody | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
from a more rural area, like Somerset? I think what we simply | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
need to do, as have the other parties, is to recognise them is a | :43:35. | :43:45. | |
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world outside London. I think we need to listen more widely. I would | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
not say North Somerset was the one place you have to listen to! This | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
is a shot at the Prime Minister. is not. It is a genuine attempt to | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
say if the party want to get re- elected in 2015, it needs to be in | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
tune with the voters. We have seen the Chancellor setting out his | :44:13. | :44:23. | |
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stall with the economy. I think it has been a very good week, from a | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
party that knows what needs to be done and is not likely to change | :44:29. | :44:37. | |
course. I think some people will say, actually, Liam Fox spends too | :44:37. | :44:47. | |
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much time with the party faithful, and you do not get ordinary people | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
because you were in the thick of it there. It is an odd argument for | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
someone who has spent their life working in the National Health | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
Service and who grew up on a council estate! A people to worry | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
about public services, they worry about the economy and what will | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
happen to their taxes. I do not think they do worry about | :45:14. | :45:21. | |
constitutional issues in the way politicians do. I am happy with my | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
agenda and I think it is one people broadly agree with. Dr Fox, thank | :45:29. | :45:37. | |
you very much. Just then, does he speak for you? He makes some very | :45:37. | :45:45. | |
interesting points. You are reminded what the priorities are in | :45:45. | :45:55. | |
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the conference. We all have different priorities. Liam has to | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
acknowledge we did not win the election outright. It is a | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
coalition. We all have to compromise on some issues. By and | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
large, we have been working very well with a were coalition partners. | :46:12. | :46:19. | |
What about this talk of a metropolitan elite? I think if you | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
ask any MP if they consider themselves to be in touch with the | :46:22. | :46:30. | |
public, they would say that they are. When you represent a marginal | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
seat, you are very conscious about the priorities of the people you | :46:33. | :46:43. | |
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represent. How popular with the agenda be -- how popular would the | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
agenda be? I am economically on the bright, socially on the left. I am | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
not a member of any pressure groups within the party. I am quite | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
relaxed about individuals putting forward their ideas. But it is a | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
meeting of mind and finding compromises. You share government | :47:10. | :47:18. | |
benches with Liam Fox. He is towards the right of the party. Are | :47:18. | :47:26. | |
you comfortable with that as a man towards the left of the Lib Dems? | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
think we should listen to people in local communities, and that was | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
interesting when he said that. Independent political parties need | :47:34. | :47:40. | |
to develop their policies. Liberal Democrats are doing that, the | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
Tories are doing that, Labour and others are doing it. I agree with | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
that. Two political parties had to come together given a collection | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
circumstances. I am comfortable working alongside our coalition | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
colleagues on the agenda we have, which is be dominated do with the | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
economic mess this country is in. He does not mean I have suddenly | :48:10. | :48:20. | |
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become a Tory! -- it does not mean. The proposal of an extra �10 | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
billion in cuts, what about that? There will be a lot of discussions | :48:25. | :48:32. | |
on that. We have got a situation where our welfare packages are a | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
third of government expenditure. It has ballooned in recent years, and | :48:36. | :48:46. | |
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we must address that. You have your endorsing Policies. If you look at | :48:50. | :48:59. | |
the number of private sector jobs that are being created, it is quite | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
phenomenal. If you look at the infrastructure developments, they | :49:03. | :49:13. | |
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ran lots of things. -- there are lots of things. If you look at what | :49:15. | :49:24. | |
we are achieving in the creative economy, we are beginning to lead | :49:24. | :49:34. | |
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there. We know how difficult it is, and that is why we have to take | :49:36. | :49:46. | |
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tough decisions. We must crack on. The coalition are promising that | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
council tax will be frozen again. That would leave local authorities | :49:51. | :50:00. | |
very short of cash. This is how democracy looks in Gloucestershire. | :50:00. | :50:06. | |
At its heart, the county council, then the six smaller district | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
councils. 320 councillors, over 6,000 employees, at a cost to the | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
taxpayer of over �463 million. But do we really need seven different | :50:17. | :50:24. | |
councils? Would warm super council do the job? This man thinks he can | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
make things simpler and is even prepared to sacrifice his job. | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
would say closer integration and joint working are somewhere along | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
the path to a unitary authority. If it can be shown that we can work | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
together on various topics, then why not make a formal decision to | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
join up completely, rather than maintain the overheads, separate | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
staff, working on the same subject in seven local-authority is? | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
his proposals have upset others, who say the current system ain't | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
broken. You can spend a lot of time talking about rearranging does deck | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
chairs. Actually, there are opportunities already where we can | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
work close and better together, get rid of duplication, act as a single | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
public sector team. How would it be if these seats were no longer | :51:12. | :51:22. | |
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warmed by county councils, -- county councillors, but by a new | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
unitary councillors instead? think every council should look at | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
it and see what savings might be made. If you can get rid of the | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
tier of government, it has to be more efficient. That's the theory, | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
but councillors from Gloucestershire only need to travel | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
50 miles to see what happens when it is put into practice. In 2009, | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
will share lost a whole tier of local government. Out when the | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
borough and district councils, and the county council as well. It was | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
replaced by a super unitary authority. Three years on, I have | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
come to Chippenham, to find out whether people have noticed a | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
difference. Three years ago, when she got rid of his district and | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
borough councils and County Council, and replaced it with one authority. | :52:07. | :52:15. | |
Have you noticed any difference? Yes. What's the difference? It is | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
worse. North Wiltshire District Council represented the locality | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
much better. The until authority has been appalling. I personally | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
believe it has not been working. We had a few issues that came up last | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
year that needed support from our councils, and it physically was not | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
there to supporters and achieve what we wanted to achieve. | :52:34. | :52:41. | |
haven't noticed any difference. I was vaguely aware, yes. As a | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
taxpayer, it is meant to be better value for money. Have you seen a | :52:44. | :52:53. | |
shaming your council tax? No. might not be a resounding vote of | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
confidence, but members of the new unitary authority in Welsher say | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
they are saving �80 million a year. 18 million reasons why councillors | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
in Gloucestershire might even consider voting themselves out of | :53:06. | :53:12. | |
the job. The timescale is probably such that if it -- the timescale is | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
promise such that it would be beyond my time as leader, but I | :53:15. | :53:22. | |
would be prepared to make myself redundant. Joining the debate is a | :53:22. | :53:31. | |
Labour's Mark Dempsey, a councillor in Swindon. There is a unity | :53:31. | :53:41. | |
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authority of will chair and a unity authority of Wilshere. -- Wiltshire. | :53:42. | :53:49. | |
And Swindon. You allow people to know how to get things to change. I | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
think decisions about moving towards unity authorities have to | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
be a decision made by the people. People are looking for leadership | :53:58. | :54:04. | |
from their local government. In Swindon, the big demand is a plan | :54:04. | :54:13. | |
for Gross, getting how young people back into work -- a plan for growth. | :54:13. | :54:22. | |
Let's talk about tax been frozen. Families are finding times are hard | :54:22. | :54:30. | |
at the moment. I voted for a council tax freeze twice. I think | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
it gives people the help they need. Overall, when council tax and | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
business rate at going down, what people really need is the hope we | :54:42. | :54:47. | |
can build a better future for them, to bring new jobs and the economy | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
and regenerate our town centres. Let's bring in our other guests. | :54:53. | :54:59. | |
None of us want to pay more council tax, but what's a point in having | :54:59. | :55:05. | |
men and women working in government if they can't decide the level? | :55:05. | :55:13. | |
They will be able to decide. What has been said is if council tax is | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
frozen, some of the money will be provided from that anyway. It is up | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
to local councils to make the decision whether they want to take | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
the money and have a freeze, or not take the money from central | :55:25. | :55:34. | |
government but razored through council tax. It is very important. | :55:34. | :55:42. | |
It is incredibly important for people on pensions. I remember my | :55:42. | :55:49. | |
times on the council went council tax went up massively. Hard-pressed | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
farmers will be very grateful for this. Yes, local authority will | :55:54. | :56:01. | |
have to find a contribution. Were it is the reality? -- what is the | :56:02. | :56:11. | |
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reality? I think what people want is hope for now. That is the | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
critical thing. They want value for money and they want to believe we | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
will grow the economy. That is the leadership people want in local | :56:26. | :56:34. | |
government. Can you deliver without large cuts? This is the challenge. | :56:34. | :56:39. | |
This is where the cut and really biting. I knocked on the door in | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
North Swindon last weekend. A young mother was on child benefit and | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
that had been cut, her husband was facing redundancy and head bills | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
were going up. She said openly, I voted Conservative last year, will | :56:52. | :56:59. | |
not make the same mistake again. That is the problem people are | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
having, because of the cuts the Government are making. I am afraid | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
the legacy of the economy we inherited means we have to make | :57:08. | :57:14. | |
difficult decisions to balance the economy. How long will that excuse | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
wash for? We inherited a massive deficit. But you have been saying | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
that for long time. We will have to demonstrate by the general election | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
and we have made a difference. There is no hiding from that. In | :57:29. | :57:39. | |
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2015, people can make their judgment. Thank you so much for | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
joining us. Now, let's take a race through this week's political | :57:45. | :57:55. | |
stories in one minute. Time to say, hello hello hello to the new police | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
and Crown Commissioners. But standing for office is hardly a | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
steal. The Greens have pulled out, and in Avon and Somerset, UKIP's | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
man withdrew, saying the party could not afford the �5,000 deposit. | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
In Gloucestershire, the woman standing on the Save the badgers | :58:12. | :58:19. | |
platform also threw in the towel. You need around �84,000 also to | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
spend on materials for advertising, marketing and so on. And politics | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
played its part in scuppering the biggest global defence deal. BAe | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
and the parent company of Airbus, EADS, have called the whole thing | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
off. The Green Party's new leader popped into the West Country this | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
week as anti-nuclear protesters clashed with police at Hinckley | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
Point in Somerset. At first it was all smiles on the Manchester | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
conference stage. This week, back to campaigning in Bristol. Marvin | :58:47. | :58:56. | |
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Rees was joined on the street by the debt Miliband. -- stand on the | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
street by Ed Miliband. Let's pick- up on the story about the police | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
and Crown Commissioners. People are dropping at because they have to | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
find five grand, to put your name down, then you have to canvass | :59:11. | :59:19. | |
across a vast geographical area. It is not practical. I have sympathy. | :59:19. | :59:25. | |
You do need lots of candidates, whether from political parties are | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
independent. That �5,000 deposit I think is excessive. If you do well, | :59:30. | :59:39. | |
you will get the money back. One reason you have a deposit is to | :59:39. | :59:45. | |
stop... It would just be the main parties -- it would just be the | :59:45. | :59:55. | |
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main parties standing. The key thing about this is it is a real | :00:02. | :00:08. | |
opportunity to have democratic accountability that we do not | :00:08. | :00:15. | |
currently have in this way. OK. We will wait and see what happens. | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
Before we go, we must end up best wishes to one of our local | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
politicians who was a regular guest here. Anne Snelgrove, who was a | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Labour MP for South Swindon, has told us she is battling cancer | :00:26. | :00:31. |