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Party are doing well in the polls and are hoping to win more votes | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
than ever in the local elections. What do they really stand for? We | :01:27. | :01:37. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2191 seconds | :01:37. | :38:09. | |
the program that is just for us in the West. Coming up, the UK | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
Independence Party are hoping to well in the May local elections. | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
They have more candidates standing the never before, with their leader | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
braced for big things. Can the party whose core values are about | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
immigration and Europe really break into local politics? Joining us | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
today is the new Conservative candidate hoping to win a | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
constituency is David Warburton. And so Graham Watson. Welcome. Let us | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
talk about the overall warming story of the week, the death of Lady | :38:39. | :38:46. | |
Thatcher. What is her legacy, do you think? She was a giant in politics | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
and the legacy is pretty much threefold. Number one, she was the | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
person who took on the trade unions, liberalise the British economy and | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
made us work harder. Number two, she was the Cold War Premier in a sense | :39:00. | :39:07. | |
who took us to war against Argentina over the Falklands. And who stood up | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
to Gorbachev. Number three, she was the person who started a big change | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
of opinion in this country about our relationship with our European | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
partners. You sound like a member of the fan club. I respect the fact | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
that she came in as an outsider, took over a party, took over the | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
country and imposed her will. That is what democratic politics has to | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
be about. It is the capacity of an individual to achieve something. I | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
am not a fan in the sense that I did not agree with much of what she did. | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
I think, as Shakespeare says, in Julius Caesar, the harm that people | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
do often lives after them, even though the good is interred with | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
their bones. She certainly did some good but I fear, I see it in the | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
European Union, that she did a lot of harm as well. David, how did she | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
lose your politics? Enormously. I would not be here without her. | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
People my age, 30 years ago, 1983, I was campaigning for her. She was the | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
one that people talked about on the doorstep. Amazingly, they are doing | :40:14. | :40:23. | |
so now. Her impact was immense. she have to be so divisive? I don't | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
issue is necessarily divisive. It is a divisive word. She was divisive in | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
that she polarised opinion because people placed her... People created | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
a myth about her that they still believe was that people believe that | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
Mrs Thatcher was... She destroyed the unions, she destroyed the North | :40:42. | :40:49. | |
of England, she reaped havoc on our in Austria or industry. She has been | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
demonised because people meet a pantomime Bill. We lost our man | :40:54. | :41:03. | |
lecturing -- we lost our manufacturing industry. Under Tony | :41:03. | :41:09. | |
Blair, it went from 17 to 11%, so it is not only her cross to bear. | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
will talk more later in the program. The local elections are on the May | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
the campaign was the little following the death of Lady Thatcher | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
but electioneering is back in full swing with visits from the party | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
leaders and Cabinet ministers in key seats. Let us take a look at the | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
areas holding elections will stop they are Somerset, Dorset, | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
Wiltshire, Gloucestershire and a third of seats in Bristol. The only | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
parties standing candidates in all of the 273 seats are the | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
Conservatives and in six areas in Wiltshire, nobody is standing | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
against them, so they will automatically get in. Labour of | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
fielding candidates in 234 areas, followed by the Lib Dems with 218. | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
The big increases UKIP, which is standing in more places than ever | :41:53. | :42:00. | |
before with 183 candidates in the West. Paul Barltrop reports. The sun | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
is shining on UKIP at the moment. An election tour by Nigel Farage, | :42:05. | :42:12. | |
Somerset is an important stop. how are you? Lovely to welcome you | :42:12. | :42:19. | |
to Taunton. Glad to be here. Reading him, they county chairman. She has | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
recorded a record number of candidates. They are all worried | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
about what being in Europe is doing to us. We're on the verge of opening | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
up the door next year to 29 million people from really poor countries | :42:32. | :42:42. | |
like bog area and for many. -- bog area and remain here. None of this | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
has anything to do with local politics. Their policies there are | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
much less distinctive. They say that capital taxes must not rise. They | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
want to improve services, so do little Democrats was the UKIP and | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
Labour manifestoes infuse about increasing local decision-making. | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
All parties say they will improve road maintenance. In her taut home, | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
Dorothy Baker is working flat out. She accepts that her party know | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
little about running local government that believes it is a big | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
steppingstone. Doing well in the council elections is the first step | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
to getting into Westminster. Bear in mind, we are a young party, a small | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
party, although we are growing phenomenally. 20 years, this last | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
week, this party was formed. It took the Liberals 30 years to get their | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
first MP. We are going to beat that, I am certain. Party membership has | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
been rising. It has been a race against time to create a political | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
fighting machine. So you do need to know where you stand with your | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
boundaries. But what preoccupies supporters at this meeting is not | :43:55. | :44:05. | |
council boundaries as Britain's borders. He said to Enoch Powell, | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
how do you change these things? How can we possibly? The young well, | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
they always do. That is what is starting now in politics. He was | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
right about rivers of blood, so let's hope he was right about that | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
as well. Even in Taunton, the latest wave of immigration is obvious. | :44:24. | :44:31. | |
Somerset is home to 5000 Polish people. Nothing against the Polish | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
people, they are hard-working and industrious and I have had Polish | :44:35. | :44:44. | |
friends in the past who have settled in Taunton. After the war. It is the | :44:44. | :44:51. | |
numbers, isn't it? And the fact that as a nation we cannot control our | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
own borders. Voting UKIP would change that that it may appeal to | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
voters frustrated with the three main parties. Joining the debate is | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Phil Collins, who is the former chair of UKIP in Bristol and a | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
candidate in the local elections. Welcome. Is there a danger that UKIP | :45:09. | :45:16. | |
could be seen as a party that attracts racist? Not at all. Five or | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
six years ago, you would have said so. The normal people of today want | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
to stop migration. The country cannot cope. Our services are | :45:22. | :45:31. | |
overrun. The three old and tired parties have all promised a vote and | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
then they have reneges on that promise. You are the party of | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
immigration, not the body that was to be out of Europe? Not out of | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
Europe but want to still trade with Europe. You see immigration as the | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
key issue? Yes, because it affects nationally and locally. Because | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
services have been cut, we have no money to do anything else. What if | :45:53. | :46:03. | |
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people are thinking of voting you -- UKIP in the local elections? What do | :46:04. | :46:14. | |
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you know that local councils? have experience, and money is not | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
getting through from central government to local people. We talk | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
being about eight aquatic country. But we do not have a vote on the | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
European Union. What's different is that the European Union make to a | :46:29. | :46:36. | |
local council here in the West quest Mark people from abroad becoming the | :46:36. | :46:46. | |
are using our services. Hospitals, everything. Any idea yet how many | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
Bulgarians and Romanians will be coming in next year when our borders | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
are opened to them? It will depend on the labour market in this country | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
and the labour market in those countries. I expect that, in the | :46:57. | :47:04. | |
end, very few of them would will come. Most of them will go to the | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
country's closest to them, Germany and Austria. So you have no idea?If | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
a country is a member of the European Union, its people have the | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
right to go and move and work and settle elsewhere. Just as millions | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
of Britons take the advantage of going and spending part of the year | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
in the south of Spain, so the Polish and the Bulgarians will go for work | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
elsewhere if they wish to do so. That is a benefit to this country, | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
because if we didn't have them, frankly, because we don't have | :47:35. | :47:45. | |
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enough young people, we wouldn't be able to staff our care homes, etc. | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
Should they be entitled to a council house, if they have children? | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
have to be entitled to what anyone in this country would be entitled to | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
and what they would be entitled to in their countries. That is | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
something that applies to all European citizens, right across the | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
European Union. It has been hugely beneficial to this country because | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
we have a very large number of people working abroad in other | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
countries in the European Union, enjoying the same benefits as those | :48:13. | :48:23. | |
countries' people enjoy. concerned that the UKIP messages and | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
entirely true, that they are putting up scare stories of 29 million | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
people coming from Romania and Bulgaria. Something like the | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
combined population of Romania and Bulgaria. So the chances of both | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
countries emptying and finding ways here are low. You haven't come up | :48:40. | :48:46. | |
with an alternative figure, have you? Nobody knows.It is anybody's | :48:46. | :48:52. | |
guess. 29 million is a number picked out of the air. The entire | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
population, which is the least likely thing to happen. We need to | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
police our borders properly and the government over the last three years | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
has reduced net migration by a third. So work has been done in this | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
area. We are going in the right direction. I'm not sure that pulling | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
is out of Europe and halting the whole thing is a good thing at all. | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
Whatever you do, you cannot control people from other parts of Europe. | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
You can't reduce numbers from parts of the EE? We can't, as long as we | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
are part of the EU. That remains the rule within the EU. You can't | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
control immigration from the EU? we can't. So need to be careful | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
about immigration from outside the EU, because that is something we can | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
manage. What do you think? This is absolutely right. We now know that, | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
thanks to the coalition government, family people are coming into this | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
government, where they are coming from and how you people are leaving | :49:52. | :49:59. | |
the country. That is something the Labour government never did. We can | :49:59. | :50:08. | |
design policy to ensure that we are making the best use of the resources | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
we have, to make sure that our citizens are enjoying the same | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
benefits as in other countries. Clegg said he was wrong to promise | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
an amnesty to illegal in this country if they have gone under the | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
radar for ten years, we should make them citizens. He said. Was he | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
wrong? There are big difficulties with amnesty is because, if you say | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
you are going to give him amnesty when people are here illegally, | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
theoretically you attract more people to come to the country | :50:37. | :50:45. | |
illegally. Let us work on very successfully on closing the back | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
door to illegal migration into this country. Let's keep open a front | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
door to a certain amount. satisfied with the changes that all | :50:52. | :51:01. | |
of the main parties have now -- are now shaping up to on immigration? | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
is proven that they won't give as a referendum because they know that | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
British people don't want to be in it. We should be like Australia. We | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
should determine how he people come in. At the moment, it is an open | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
door. No because Australia racist when they only want people who have | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
certain skills. Kids that want to go off to Europe? They should be | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
subject to controls for other European new union countries, saying | :51:27. | :51:37. | |
they don't want us? If we want to go talking about Spain and Portugal. | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
But we don't want to be in Europe was the British people, not just | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
UKIP, we don't want to be in Europe. We want the board back up and what a | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
certain number of people in that we can provide for whilst still | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
providing for the British public and putting the British public first. | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
And you think that West Country care homes and restaurants and hotels | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
could cope without any immigrants? Yes, because the people that are | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
unemployed will then be employed. There are not enough jobs around at | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
the moment. I can't understand, even though David Cameron said, he would | :52:11. | :52:20. | |
give a referendum in 2015, if he is re-elected, which identity will, he | :52:20. | :52:30. | |
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won't get it, because you want to let him. We have to end it there. | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
It is Somerset where the Fiesta 's battle is being fought. The | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
Conservatives have run things for the past four years but cuts to | :52:39. | :52:48. | |
local government funding meant they had to mix of difficult decisions | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
about funding. Springtime in Somerset. As the | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
weather warms up, so are the political activists. For the | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
Conservatives and the Lib Dems who are working together nationally, | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
this is one county they refused to share. Here, they fight it out for | :53:05. | :53:12. | |
every vote in key marginal wards. This was the most closely fought | :53:12. | :53:18. | |
battle in the last election in the entire county. Here at Castle Cary, | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
just six votes separated the Conservative win Andy Lib Dem loser. | :53:22. | :53:28. | |
In seas like this in Somerset, it is where the battle to control the | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
county will be won or lost. The council budget has been squeezed by | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
central dogma settlements, leaving the Conservatives little choice but | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
to cut budgets. They argue most frontline services have been saved | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
which they hope will save them big losses on May the 2nd. There will be | :53:45. | :53:53. | |
people who will be really concerned that the services that they really | :53:53. | :54:03. | |
believe in will be effective. Hobhouse knows what it is like to | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
lose, having just lost last time. They have to win here. It is no | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
surprise that the Tory cuts are top of their election campaigns. People | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
in this area have had their hours of care cut, they have raised the bar | :54:16. | :54:24. | |
on whether they can have showers or barbs. They have increased cost of | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
cleaners for the disabled. They have made the cuts in the wrong places. | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
So what of the other parties here in Somerset? Labour have just two | :54:33. | :54:40. | |
councillors. They hope to win a view more. The county council budget has | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
been slashed by the Conservatives. How do you sort out the local issues | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
from the national issues? Realistically, they have little | :54:49. | :54:56. | |
chance of making big games was up the -- UKIP and the Greens have | :54:56. | :55:06. | |
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little chance here. They're very beautiful part of the world. | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
Representing is from the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are | :55:14. | :55:21. | |
here to slug it out. You are both all in it together. You | :55:21. | :55:27. | |
are in a coalition nationally, and pretending you are separate on | :55:27. | :55:37. | |
policy is absurd. There are clear policy differences between the two | :55:37. | :55:44. | |
parties. Locally, we have different priorities. For example, Liberal | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
Democrats do believe that we shouldn't be closing waste tips, | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
which is leading to a growth in fly tipping on farmers' land. Liberal | :55:53. | :56:02. | |
Democrats were outraged that the Conservatives spent �4 million on | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
new furniture and spending thousands of pounds a day on consultants from | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
your cutting social care. That is your list, let's come back with your | :56:08. | :56:16. | |
list. There is no formally and pounce on chairs. �4 million on | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
moving the council offices from having 35 offices, which the Lib | :56:21. | :56:28. | |
Dems but it ought to have, to 30 offices. A month that was some | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
chairs was that it is pushing the boundaries a bit to describe it as | :56:33. | :56:43. | |
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furniture! Spending 4 million to save money. We were left with a | :56:47. | :56:55. | |
massive amount of debt. More than a third of �1 million in debt. So | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
stuff has to be done. We also lost �94 million from the government. So | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
savings have to be made. Comeback on the debt issue. All councils have | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
debt, just as the mud debt. That is the debt that Somerset County | :57:07. | :57:17. | |
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Council has as a percentage of its budget was one of the lowest in the | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
country. The Tory administrator and get on and if the liberal Democrats | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
win again, as I hope we will, we will take on the debt that they have | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
had to manage and some of which they have created. The rally is there is | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
a clear choice between the kind of services you get from Liberal | :57:33. | :57:40. | |
Democrats and the Conservatives. It's a managerial issue, not | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
philosophical. There are philosophical differences as well. | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
It is a separate subject. We can be here all day. We were going to | :57:49. | :57:55. | |
philosophy! This is one -- there is one story that has dominated the | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
headlines this week. That is the death of Margaret Thatcher. Here are | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
some thoughts in a sickly second round up. | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
She was nicknamed the iron Lady and according to former Lib Dem leader | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
and Yeovil MP Paddy Ashdown, Margaret Thatcher really did live up | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
to her name. In all my life, I have never been so frightened as I was | :58:15. | :58:22. | |
when I had to take her on and be literally handbag once a week in | :58:22. | :58:29. | |
front of the microphones of the nation. One of the function she | :58:29. | :58:36. | |
attended was Liam Fox's birthday. She worked the room and was the | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
centre of attention and was hoping that she was giving good value to | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
everyone who was there. To some she was, and is, a figure of eight and | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
tensions grew in restored on the night of her death. One police | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
officer had to be taken to hospital and six others were injured as 200 | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
people gathered to have a party. On Friday, the Conservative club was | :58:58. | :59:07. | |
attacked. The owners believe it was by anti-Thatcher writes. | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
The week of Lady Thatcher's death. Let us about the arrangements for | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
this week and the protests and so on. Have you thought of the guests? | :59:15. | :59:25. | |
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Are people to entitled to express their views? Of course they are. | :59:26. | :59:31. | |
People will behave like that here and there. The less attention we pay | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
to it the better. I think we should move on food aid is quite shocking | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
if they start mashing up shops and thinks food it is bizarre. I don't | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
think those people are in any way representative of the entire mass of | :59:41. | :59:48. | |
people. We are expecting this kind of celebration for certain sections | :59:48. | :59:53. | |
of the community? It is not surprising. Nobody can condone | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
violence of that nature but it is not entirely surprising in the vast | :59:58. | :00:04. | |
majority of the country that they want to see an important funeral for | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
an important person. Mrs Thatcher is then 30 years in Parliament. Worth | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
�10 million of the cost? These things will always cost money for is | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
that it doesn't matter which prime and Mr is being buried. The costs | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
these days are huge because the cost of security are huge. That is it | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
from the West this week. Thank you to our guests. Don't go away because | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
the Sunday Politics continues with Andrew in London. If you want to | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
find out more about the candidates standing in your local area, you can | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
find a full list on your local council website. For example, if you | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
live in Gloucestershire, go to the Gloucestershire Canada Council | :00:45. | :00:51. |