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As a controversial TV documentary focuses on segregation in Bradford,

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is the umbrella of Britishness enough to end decades of racial

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1785 seconds

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We are asking, just how British are you? As a controversial TDG

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documentary focuses on segregation in Bradford, is the umbrella of

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Britishness enough to end decades of racial divide? There are guests

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today are David Ward, Diana Johnson and Jason McCarthy. I have in my

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hand three pieces of paper. We're going to start off with a little

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quiz. We're going to find out how British our MPs are. These are the

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official citizenship test questions. There are multiple choice. You're

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all intelligent people, so I'll just ask the questions. Jason

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McCartney, in what year was the National Health Service

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established? As it multiple-choice? 1948. Straight after the Second

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World War. On what this in George's Day celebrated in England? April

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23rd. Correct. All the pressures on David. How many elected members

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does the UK have in the European Parliament? Too many!

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Controversial! 59, 62, a 79, are rated for? -- or 84? 84. It is done

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73, apparently. The question we are asking, is can television succeed

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where politicians have failed? Make Bradford British assessed whether

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the City is among the most racially segregated in the UK. The producers

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claim they are trying to do exactly what it says in the title, make bad

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for British, but was it just We thank you Lord for this food on

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our table. Channel 4 says this is not so much a television programme,

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more a project aimed at helping social and racial integration in

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Bradford. How has it gone down with to viewers who have spent more than

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20 years working to achieve exactly that? I normally don't watch

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reality TV. I watched this one. It is an economic issue. That is what

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Bradford is about. Channel 4 set out to make a reality TV show to

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entertain people and they have succeeded in that. Hogmanay is a

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traditional celebration end... I do not understand the question. They

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tried out the citizenship test on groups of people from Bradford. All

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largely failed. That was no surprise to our viewers. The runner

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Bradford-based educational charity that has been complaining about

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them since they were first introduced. If you cannot get the

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general British population to answer the citizenship test, then

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there is a severe problem with the test in the first place. It is

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interesting that they use the system should test to determine a

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level of people's Britishness. That is not true at all. After watching

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the programme, a local MP is now calling for reform. We ought to be

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revisiting it to see fit gives any indication -- to see if it gives

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any indication. That was one of the things I learned from it, we need

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to look at this test and see whether or not it sufficiently

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emphasises the things we should be proud of about being British.

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Togetherness. Most criticism from Bradford politicians was that this

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documentary's -- this documentary could have been filmed in one of

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any of a dozen cities across the UK. And that it does not cover the real

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issues they are struggling with. The economy, employment and

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education. Was this programme Theatre Bradford? It wasn't really

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about Bradford. I am annoyed about the title. If there had been cold

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and experiment and social contact the, -- if it had been called an

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experiment in social contact Theory, if not many people would have

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watched it. The thing that annoyed me, to begin with, was the view

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that this was something that was new to Bradford. Diana, we

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shouldn't be so concerned -- should we be concerned as so many people

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are feeling the citizenship test that Labour introduced? I think it

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is interesting when you look at the statistics. For me, it is about

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what we're saying to our young children. We need to make sure that

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they have the skills and knowledge to be able to pass this test.

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Things like this are important, that they understand what we share

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together, common values. Jason McCartney, it is suggested that the

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British this test should be scrapped in its current form.

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Should be replaced with something more relevant? If you can pass it,

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maybe! I thought the programme was like an episode of Big Brother. The

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characters were interesting, it showed that most people in our

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country a reasonable, decent people. The trailer for next week shows

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that one of the girls is running off down the street after one of

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the other characters, so there is a this their bit of friction. It was

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a bit of entertainment. In my neck of the woods, I have a big Kashmiri,

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Pakistani community. A wonderful community, the disintegration, but

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they also have their own identity, so it is not about everybody

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coming-together be exactly the same, it is about celebrating differences

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in a positive way. It was important that, in the club, it was not

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tackling some of the big issues for communities not only in Bradford

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but across Yorkshire. That was not discussed at all. Those are issues

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that most community are concerned about at the moment. -- most

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communities. Yet the group of people who were willing to come

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together and be challenged and challenge others on prejudices and

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beliefs. There are some hard issues that need to be dealt with within

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the community. That probably could not have been done on a programme

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like this. The general principle of people coming together from

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different backgrounds, with some good will, wanting to get to know

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each other, barriers start to fall. The subtext is the Bradford is more

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divided than ever. Particularly the White working-class population and

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the Muslim population. Is that true? There are divisions in all

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societies. This could have been two separate white working-class

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estates coming together, where there are tensions between the two,

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and dealing with those. It could have been all there and younger

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people. By Jason McCartney, when David Cameron says that he wants to

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see the end of state-sponsored multiculturalism, what is the

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alternative? Communities working together as they do. In my part of

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the world as well, we have an inter-faith Forum, on Friday

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morning, we have there competition for singing, high levels of parents

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wanting to sign up at the school, but a third of the children at a to

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their -- that are there are ethnic- minority is and 22% of the speak

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English as a second languages. Big challenges, but they are being

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successful and moving on with it. We are moving on to Skegness, where

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UKIP have been holding the conference.

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Nigel Farage has pointed to a poll which shows his party being ahead

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of them Liberal-Democrats and the North of England. They're keen to

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broaden the appeal beyond their usual Euro-sceptic base. The EU and

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immigration remain key policy areas. The tourist industry in Skegness

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and relies on many foreign born workers disservice the hotels, bars

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and restaurants. Because the work is seasonal, we rely on migrant

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workers. Sometimes we struggle to get resources and the migrant

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workers fill the gap. We would struggle if they were not here.

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This weekend, members of the UK Independence Party descended on

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Skegness for their spring conference. Their leader, Nigel

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Farage, has called for tighter controls on workers coming here

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from other European countries. It is irresponsible and wrong, at a

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time when youth unemployment in Britain is running at 21%, to have

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a total open door, and unlimited open door, to the whole of Eastern

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Europe. We have a massive oversupply and the unskilled labour

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market. All of this is cos there's part of any you. -- is because we

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are part of the European Union. Give people work permits. We have a

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market that is totally flooded. Although the Government has grit in

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place a number -- a Caporn the number of workers in place --

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coming in from outside the European Union, most people from Europe can

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come and work in places like Lincolnshire as and when the police.

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With local businesses be able to cope with stricter controls on

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migrant workers from the European Union? I think there would be a

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slight impact, indeed. In the short term, there would be. In the long

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term, we would be able to adapt. We put a job application out for a

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receptionist, and we're inundated with application forms. Sometimes

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we struggle with lack of qualifications. That is a general

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problem throughout the country. It is not for want of trying. The big

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news here was the defection of Roger Helmer. He spent the many

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years as a Conservative in Brussels. Last year in Scarborough, I said we

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had a real chance of catching up and perhaps overtaking the Liberal

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Democrats as the third force in British politics. In 2011, we

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advanced a long way and in the North of England, we are now

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significantly ahead of the Lib-Dems and the opinion polls. You could

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believe that the political tide is starting to turn in their favour --

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UKIP believe the political tide is starting to turn. What you make of

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them being the third force because they are ahead of you most polls

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and the North of England? Moliere ahead of them a number of MPs in

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the House of Commons. -- well, we are ahead of them. We are

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delivering a big, big chunk of the manifesto. We are getting more

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money into schools. We're bringing down the tax that people on low

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incomes are paying. We are doing things. The only poll I am

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interested in is the one Na 2015. UKIP will have claimed to have

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caught the mood of the UK public. They will say they claimed -- they

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will say they predicted the euro crisis. Are they going places?

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There focusing on the European issue and there is more to discuss.

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What I found interesting in the polling that is the Lib-Dems are at

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4%. That is the same amount of people who believe that Elvis

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Presley is still alive. It is interesting the have gone down so

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far in the polls. They have not delivered in government, and a

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report recognised that. They have reneged on every promise they made

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in the manifesto. The other big split in the NHS. -- about the NHS.

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Let us see what happens to the Liberal Democrats. Will be fought

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against the NHS Bill that is so unpopular with the public. His

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Elvis alive and well in Leeds? He worked in a chip shop! Nigel Farage

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said he would bring in work permits. Many Tories will sympathise with

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that, when the? There are a lot of people having their concerns about

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the role of Europe. There are concerns about the number of

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migrant workers. Of the 7 million people in the UK that were not born

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in Britain, 5 million are non European Union countries and only 2

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million were eat European Union countries. I think we need an open

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debate. Do I actually voted to have a referendum on European Union and

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there were three for -- bid are three choices. A lot of decent,

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honourable people are concerned about the level of migrant workers.

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That is something which we need to tackle and look at. David Ward and

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his colleagues are never going to let you have that referendum, are

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the? It is about democracy, what we vote for in the House of Commons. I

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hope we will have the referendum on the year. -- on the European Union.

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I think it is it important to show people we live in a democratic

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country. It is time to catch up This Labour MP is stepping down. It

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has triggered a by-election in his Bradford seat. He has been an MP

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there since 1997. 850 workers at D systems have been told the campaign

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to save their jobs has failed. -- BAE Systems. The union is taking

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legal action over the handling of the job losses. Wakefield Council

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has approved millions of pounds' worth of cuts. Fewer jobs than

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expected will be let go. They have brought in charges for parking.

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Shadow health secretary Andy Burnham turned up outside the

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Sheffield offices of Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg. He left some

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friendly advice in the form of a letter. Drop the NHS bill. It has

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been in a grim week for people in your part of the world, Diana

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Johnson. British Aerospace saying that there are more jobs to lose.

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The unions have lost a legal challenge. Is there more that can

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be done? Yes, there is. I feel that they have behaved disgracefully. I

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am pleased the union have challenge them. The way the announcement was

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leaked in the first place and the fact they have engaged in no

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consultation with the unions. I am pleased the unions will challenge

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this because I think it needs to be put down that they are not behaving

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properly under do have responsibilities not only to the

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workers but to the community that has served them so well for many,

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many years. As is the nature of politics, we end up talking about

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by-elections. What are the main issues going to be in Bradford

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West? Politics aside, we know he has had health problems for a long

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time. He had a reputation she now has been a good constituency MP. --

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as being a good constituency MP. There is a lot happening in terms

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of the battle going on in terms of how we address the economic crisis

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that we are in. That is going to be the main issue, how were we doing

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that and I'll be doing it right? No doubt, that will be a hotly-

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contested by-election. It is a peculiar consist -- captured -- a

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peculiar constituency. There was a swing the other way here, a swing

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from Conservative to Labour. Lap up the trend. You're looking for

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someone who would make headway against Labour, presumably? In

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Yorkshire, we did particularly well on the 2010 general election

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because be selected a candidate surly. -- we selected our

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candidates LA. -- early. He should party kneeled on to win, Diana

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Johnson? I think we're going to fight a very hard campaign. The NHS

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will be one of the key issues we are put into words did electorate.

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That is something that the population do not want to reform.

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We know there is a split here between the Liberals and the Tories.

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It was interesting to see Andy Burnham and that club, because I

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saw him one night last weekend he was asked what Labour's policies on

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the NHS where, and he completely lost it. He had absolutely nothing

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to say having brought an unsupported reforms that brought in

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private providers and the last Parliament. The it is ridiculous!

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That is nonsense! We would not be spending �3 million on a top-down

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reorganisation. -- 3 bn. We need to make sure with these all amendments

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that it is a Bill that is acceptable to most people. You're

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going to vote for a, then? I wish there were some recognition of the

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work that is being done to make this a more acceptable bill. Let's

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put the NHS first? Yes, let's do that. This debate, I suspect, is

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