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Hello, good afternoon. You are watching the Sunday Politics for | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Coming up today: | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Why a senior Yorkshire Tory is fighting government plans to give | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
the authorities more power to monitor our internet activity. | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
And we find out why two of our councils have dropped costcutting | :01:52. | :02:02. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1616 seconds | :02:03. | :28:59. | |
Hello, good afternoon. You are watching the Sunday Politics for | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. Coming up today: why a senior Yorkshire | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
Tory is fighting to give the authorities more power to monitor | :29:08. | :29:14. | |
our internet activity. And we find out wide two of our | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
councils have bend cost-cutting measures are to share a chief- | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
executive. Our guest today is Meg Munn and | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
Kris Hawkins. We're going to kick of with this snooping around where | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
it the Government wants to give the authorities more power to keep an | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
eye and as on the internet. Are you in favour of this? It is difficult | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
to tell because they are complex. We need a balance between security | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
and liberty. We know that there are worrying crimes whether it is | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
internet crimes of child abuse or terrorism where we do need powers | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
to be in place but equally, because the Government has not been clear | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
about this, we have people worried about whether their privacy is | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
going to be invaded. Kris, some Conservatives on the right are | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
opposed to this idea, of weirdies stand? I think we have to do | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
something. The last piece of legislation was 2006, it was the | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
year before the iPhone came out. We now have over a billion people on | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
Facebook and a huge increase in information over the internet. | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
There are some really important issues around child-protection, | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
fighting serious crime and defeating terrorism. This | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
potentially adds another arm to the police's resources. Opposition to | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
the bell is being led by the East Yorkshire-based Conservative David | :30:44. | :30:51. | |
Davis. That some kit -- but some police officers say that it will be | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
an important part in tackling online sex offenders. | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
This is discreet and I would rather do it indoors. This raid carried | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
out by Lincolnshire police this week was part of a national | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
operation to crack down on those possessing indecent images of | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
children. The Government wants to make it easier for up officers to | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
monitor suspected offenders. They want to stay one step ahead of | :31:20. | :31:27. | |
paedophiles. From my perspective as a police officer and an operation | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
or reader I'm welcome any greater powers and increased options around | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
this form of horrible criminality. As technology gets more | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
sophisticated, the criminals themselves who shared these | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
horrible images of children actually being abused, as they get | :31:45. | :31:51. | |
better, we need to get better. proposed communications data bill | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
would allow it the police and intelligence agencies to monitor | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
our internet activity including e- mails and social networking as well | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
as phone calls. Details would be stored for up to a year. However, | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
authorities would only be able to access the nature of communication | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
is not the content. Officials here at the Home Office say that | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
accessing communications data is vital, not just for apprehending | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
sex offenders, but also in the vast majority of terrorism cases. They | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
denied these new proposals are snoopers' charter, but others | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
disagree. The former shadow home secretary David Davis is a leading | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
critic of the proposals. He has been taking part in an on-line | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
question and answer section with Web users who are worried about | :32:43. | :32:50. | |
their privacy. This gives a huge picture of people's lives. It is an | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
intrusion of people's privacy and will not actually help catch | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
tourism's -- terrorists at all. If you are at terrorist, you get round | :33:00. | :33:06. | |
it with a pre-paid phone, using internet cafe, you use a proxy | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
server. He used false credentials. This will gathered data on 60 | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
million innocent people, not catch criminals, and that is why I am | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
against it. The proposals will be scrutinised by Parliament before | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
legislation is introduced but already the battle lines have been | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
drawn between those who believe any new law would help fight against | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
crime and those who believe it is a licence to snoop. | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
We have also been joined by James Baker from the No 2 IT campaign who | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
is opposed to this bill. You heard that from a senior police officer | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
in Lincolnshire. He says this new Bill will help them catch sex | :33:46. | :33:52. | |
offenders, Heidi who argue against that? If it was just about sex | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
offenders and tourists that would be one thing. If so, why does it | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
allow it provisions for the Government to snoop on us. This | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
isn't just a Bell about fighting crime at this is a Bill that will | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
please millions of law-abiding citizens and the UK it under | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
unprecedented levels of surveillance without a warrant. | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
you heard there that this is not going to affect the content of e- | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
mails. Police officers cannot read the content, it is about the | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
communication and there are going and coming of those messages. | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
can access that through another piece of legislation. What this | :34:32. | :34:39. | |
bill includes is all of your browsing henge and -- history and | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
anything that you've looked up. All of your information that we will be | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
accessible. That will be for hundreds of public bodies including | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
the food standards agency not just the police. Why do the food | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
standards agency need to know what I'm saying on Facebook? The | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
communications data includes all of their location of data. Every time | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
you move about with your mobile phone the Government will be able | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
to track where you are. To suggest that communications data isn't a | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
problem is very misleading. You can tell a huge amount from it. You can | :35:12. | :35:19. | |
build up a huge picture of people's lives. Technology is changing all | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
the time, don't they it crime fighting bodies have to stay one | :35:23. | :35:30. | |
step ahead? Nobody has been able to read every letter that you have | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
sent to someone. So to suggest that any piece of technology requires | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
this legislation is very misleading and what this Bill does his place | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
those forms of communications and a new surveillance powers. So if you | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
send a parcel now the Government will be able to snoop on that | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
information. David Cameron said that we were in danger of living in | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
a controlled state, why has he changed his mind? The Labour Party | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
were talking about her central database where all this information | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
was stored. At the moment most providers retain some of the | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
information that we create. Most of the information it be great. What | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
it there Government is suggesting, it is a draft bill by the way, that | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
the information is retained for 12 months. And if someone wants to see | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
the content of that they must go to the Home Secretary with the warrant | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
and she must then sign that of to get it that access. There is huge | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
amounts of data storage, it is about making sure that that data is | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
secure, not controlled by the Government or the police, it is | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
what the providers and it is at being asked to be retained the for | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
12 months. Meg Munn, the Labour Government was criticised for | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
trying to control many aspects of our lives. People do not want the | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
Big Brother state, do they? No they do not. I think what we're seeing | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
is the Conservative ministers are finding out that when they get into | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
Government and get into these issues it is not quite as simple as | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
David Cameron believed that in at 2009. It is a very complex issue | :37:03. | :37:09. | |
and one that, quite rightly James is setting out, needs to be looked | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
at properly. Parliamentary scrutiny of this is crucial. The key thing | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
that we would all agree on is that people should not just be able to | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
access this information. It should be on the basis of a warrant and | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
that should have the proper judicial oversight. A James, how | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
were you going to convince these MPs to back your campaign? Really | :37:30. | :37:37. | |
why would ask MPs and everyone else is to look at the warrants. Who is | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
signing of the warrants? Is that the Home Secretary or is it someone | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
independent from the Government? What we have said is that you need | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
magistrates and are just three there. The need to see whether it | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
is proportionate and whether it is a terrorist or paedophile case or | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
whether it is someone snooping into our private lives unnecessarily. It | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
is very simple, while money to look at how the access the data and what | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
permissions they have. interesting debate I suspect over | :38:04. | :38:14. | |
the coming months on this one. In order to cope with tighter | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
budgets the Government has been encouraging councils to share | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
services. Many areas serve -- save taxpayers' money but in two | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
councils in our area at the abandoning moves to share a chief- | :38:28. | :38:35. | |
executive saying that the experiment has not worked. | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
These made history years ago when they were operated jointly. They | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
also shared at chief-executive and a team of the most senior and | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
highest paid officers. But that between these two councils and that | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
relationship has fallen apart. That is despite savings of well over a | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
million pounds. The problem according to the leader of Richmond | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
share council is that it was not clearly hammered out how they would | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
do with their neighbours. politicians in our partner | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
authority felt that we were spending -- he was spending along | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
with his senior managers too much time attending to business over | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
here in at Richmond Show. That is at the root of why we are at | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
looking at some other arrangements for a shared services. It has been | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
closely monitored here by think- tanks and pressure groups to seek | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
shared services as a major tool to saving public money. They have to | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
have a clear understanding of the division of hours. How many days as | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
a chief-executive going to spend in each council. I think that has been | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
their problem in North Yorkshire. Other councillors that were | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
entering into these agreements will have to make sure that the | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
necessary arrangements are in place to stop these deals collapsing | :39:58. | :40:07. | |
completely. We started this in April last year. 100 miles south to | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
Chesterfield. Hear those last lessons have been learned. These | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
councils are meeting with the chief executive that they share. After | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
one year of this they cannot understand why more councils are | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
not going down this cost-saving route. I think people are not brave | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
enough. I think they are frightened. It is a big step. It is a difficult | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
decision to make. You have to take people with you and you have to | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
entrust. People are frightened to go the extra mile. After the first | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
year at we have achieved practically �1 million worth of | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
savings. That is a million pounds that we are going to have to take | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
from frontline services. Around two dozen smaller district councils | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
around England and out sharing chief-executive and senior officers. | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
That is fewer than might be expected with public spending so | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
squeezed. Here in Derbyshire it is a move where everybody needs to | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
know exactly what they're getting. Kris Hopkins, you are a former | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
leader of Bradford Council, is it reasonable for more authorities to | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
share back-office services? It is not as reasonable, it is absolutely | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
essential. We should not just limited to councils either. Where | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
it is appropriate I think NHS chief executives should share between | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
councils also. There's a whole range of services that can be | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
utilised with one chief-executive. The �1 million that they have saved | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
that they were talking about there. When you try to restructure her | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
daily services huge amounts of resources and less money is | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
available. It is really important that you find savings there. Being | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
clear about what you want to achieve and making sure that the | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
individuals are accountable is really important. We have to | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
explode those ways and I think it is working in one area and not | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
someone else. I am sure they will explore why it has failed and the | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
Wanderer dead. Cheeks executives earn much more money than most -- | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
chief executives. Some more than the Prime Minister. It is | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
reasonable than? A what I think we saw their is whether the | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
politicians at the top can work together. It might just be that | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
those two areas were similar sorts of areas where it worked. I do | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
wonder whether the change of leadership at politically at the | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
top, if that were to happen, would be shared the same views. Or is | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
something major happened in one area at what they council be happy | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
to lose their chief-executive to work for a long time in another | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
area. It is not straight forward but many things can be done. What | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
we really have to look that is where there are proper communities | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
of interest and for you can work together. I think Kris was talking | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
about the NHS. That begs the question of why under the terrible | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
reorganisation we got there we got more bodies with more leaders | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
rather than bringing services together when it does make sense to | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
have one leader. We will have to come back to that on another day. | :43:24. | :43:34. | |
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A let us get more news from the rest of the week now. | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
Proposals to axe some of their Yorkshire regiments historic | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
battalions are being described as at done deal by some of the | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
region's MPs. Patrick Mercer says that their it cuts might be | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
confirmed in early July. Calls are coming for a cross-party group to | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
challenge the Defence Secretary over the cuts. | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
More than 60 of his workers could lose their jobs in newly-privatised | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
sections of Lincolnshire police. It comes just two months after 500 of | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
his staff transferred to another area. Over the coming years I would | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
be very surprised if there were not more job losses. | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
And this rail link was politely received through gritted teeth by | :44:19. | :44:28. | |
the Prime Minister. Well they at gut -- Government go-ahead well | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
with the high-speed train? I grip over the enthusiastic endorsement | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
at the that is important to get on board this high-speed rail | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
revolution. A will come back to high-speed rail. | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
First, Kris Hopkins, you are a former member of the army. The army | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
cuts story, potentially a Yorkshire regiment losing its battalion, what | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
you know about that? The Duke of Wellington's Regiment is the third | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
Battalion. It is deployed in Afghanistan and have had some | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
serious casualties. There is a lot of people at home are very | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
concerned at this moment in time about the welfare of their loved | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
ones. I think the speculation and the guesswork that has been picked | :45:14. | :45:22. | |
out by certain individuals this week, I think, is fairly appalling. | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
You mean you Conservative colleague. I think there is a range of can is | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
derivative and other MPs who have spoken out. There are people | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
leaving their lives on the line at the moment. There are people | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
concerned about their loved ones. To put out this work and | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
speculation about hunches about something that might happen in the | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
future, that is not acceptable. I went to the defence secretary and | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
specifically asked him if the third battalion has been targeted it is | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
going to be axed. He said that no decision had been made about any | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
unit in the British Army. So to put this into this arena when people | :45:58. | :46:05. | |
are in such fearful situation for their loved ones at this moment. To | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
talk about speculation, will it go? That is wrong. And I am fairly out | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
raged about what has been said. Patrick Moser is not here to defend | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
himself. Meg Munn, can you understand the need for cutbacks in | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
the army? Of course every area of public service has had to be looked | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
at. As you will know the Labour Party has had lots of concerns | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
about the way the defence review was carried out in the way it is | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
going forward. As Kris Wright be said this is not something that | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
should be subject to speculation. It is not something that we want to | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
make a political party football at all. The defence should come out | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
and say exactly what is happening and what they expect to happen and | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
be clear about it so that people know where they stand. This is a | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
bit of a pattern where the information has not been picked out | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
in the right way in the first place and what you then see is their | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
Government running to catch up. That is not quite right. The | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
Government has said that it will issue in weeks to come clear lines | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
on which units will be removed and the numbers that will actually have | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
to be removed. It is the guesswork now when people at busy fighting | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
for at great cost at this moment in time. Those men are still extremely | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
brave and they are risking their lives. It is wrong to speculate. | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
that time we have left the high- speed train. The Prime Minister | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
gave support this week by duty your question, Kris Hopkins. �32 billion | :47:38. | :47:44. | |
is what we hear it will cost. Is it money well spent? There is a huge | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
dependency on the public sector in the further and North. The way we | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
change that is what better lines of communication and transport is one | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
of those. At the end of the day, there are hundreds of people that | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
are trying to get into a few seats. We're going to increase the | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
capacity and ideally we are going to speed up the process. More to | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
the point, will be spent a lot of money doing it which was under | :48:09. | :48:18. | |
local businesses. Money well spent, neck? -- Meg? The governor needs to | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
set out its overall transport policy. How are we and goods and | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
services going to get around the country. It is not just about one | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
area of Transport it is about looking at all of them is. There in | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
a mess around airports. People need to know so that they can plan their | :48:35. | :48:38. |