21/10/2012 Sunday Politics Yorkshire and Lincolnshire

Stay with us are forward a programme in Yorkshire,

Lincolnshire. We have got a highest-profile race by a police

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The shadow of Hillsborough is over The shadow of Hillsborough is over

the South Yorkshire Police because the new commissioner will inherit a

force that it has been revealed up to 200 current officers are being

investigated for the part they played on duty a 23 years ago. Then

there is the issue of the sexual grooming and exploitation of young

girls. MPs are saying there must be a crackdown. What will the new

commissioners say? North Yorkshire has 1500 officers, a budget of 128

million. The new salary, �70,000 the year. North Yorkshire is the

smallest force with the biggest Geographic area to cover. It is

stuffed with small communities, event the headquarters is in a tiny

village outside Northallerton. The challenge for the commissioner is

how can they make sure the Thin Blue Line is not stretched to

breaking? Lincolnshire Police has 1150 officers and a budget of �110

million and a salary of �65,000 per year. All eyes have been on

Lincolnshire because the force recently signed the biggest deal of

its kind in England for a private contractor to provide many of the

services that in the past would have been done by uniformed

officers, a controversial move, one that the new police and Crown

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commissioner would be right in the This is this Sunday politics for

Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. We are alive today. -- live today. We are

overlooking the Humber river. We are talking to the candidates for

the police and crime Commissioner for Humberside. We have six of the

seven candidates. They are Godfrey Bloom for the UK independent party

to, we have Paul Davison, a former police officer, we have near Ayr,

an independent candidate in Scunthorpe, a former soldier. --

Neil air. We have Mathew Grove, Conservative. John Prescott is the

Labour Party candidate. Walter Sweeney is a former Conservative MP

is standing as an independent. I am also a solicitor. He is also a

solicitor. We could not be joined by Simone Butterworth today. The

first question is how they would tackle anti-social behaviour, a big

talking point as we find out in Scunthorpe.

I have lived on this estate in Scunthorpe for 20 years. Over the

years we have had as an attacks, muggings, break-ins, burglars,

everything. -- are some attacks. I am a supervisor on the payback

system in Scunthorpe. We do fly- tipping removing, we do gardening

for the pensioners, we do into decorating for pensioners. On this

estate I would like to see more police officers. We have some PCSOs,

or we don't see them very often. My messages, we need more police

officers on this estate during the day and at night and as well.

-- night-time. John Prescott, are you in a

position to deliver more police presence? Yes, this is happening in

the community. I sat in the Cabinet and heard all of these arguments

when we brought it on the toss on the causes of crime issues. -- on

the toff on the causes of crime. This lady once more and more

activity in bringing the police in, so we need to bring the Safety

Partnership and the police, both are important, but they are being

cut back by the Government, so there will be a resulting increase

in anti-social activity. Mathew Grove, how can you promise more

police on the beach when cutting the police but it? It is about

freeing up the police officers to target the important issues. It is

no good having warranted police officers with powers to question,

detain and arrest when they are stuck with paperwork in the station.

We need to get them on the street, highly visible, working with their

communities, with people that are working hard to cut crime. We

should be working in partnership with the communities and the

officers need to be guided by the priority of these communities and

this will be the role of the police and Crown commissionaire. The

public are the eyes and ears and we need to target to where they have

the most benefit. Godfrey Bloom, to use some belies with people like

this since gone far? Best do you sympathise with people? Are yes,

hated eight TV crew. -- I took a TV crew down to these kinds of places.

This is not just a police problem, this is a society breakdown, a

breakdown in the welfare and education system. There are many

issues we are dealing with and I would argue that a lot of the

problems are of very limited numbers of people causing these

problems and there is a revolving door prison policy. Until we get

hold of these bad people on the estates and take them out and

locked them away, things will not improve. It is not just a police

matter, this is a social matter. I would do my best to get more police

on these estates, but that will be difficult with falling budgets and

police numbers. This is a social problem, not just a police problem.

Paul Davidson, how do you get more officers on the beat? In it is a

bigger problem getting more officers there. I understand these

problems and more visible police reduces the fear of crime and makes

people more confident. But you have to solve the problem. The problems

are burglary and all sorts of anti- social behaviour. The neighbourhood

people, the neighbourhood inspector responsible for this area should be

doing more to get to grips with this problem. We need to look at

the victims. In the East Riding where I was the commander, I got

anti-social behaviour down to the lowest in the country and reduced

the number of repeat victims. You need to look at it closely and see

the problems they are getting. You need to hold the chief constable to

account for raising the ambitions of the Easts Humberside police to

solve the problem. The need to solve this problem and make it go

away. He would be able to contact me as the commissioner directly if

he is not getting the right answers. What Alleyne said resonates with a

lot of people in the estates. They simply want more police officers.

They would rather have police officers patrolling Ben PCSOs. It

is a very, very specific issue to that area. That is what would

assist them. A Walter Sweeney, how do you get more visible police

presence on the streets? He easier said than done with finite

resources and central government restricting police funding. There

are two alternatives, you make the police force more efficient so that

there are more officers and PCSOs on the beat, but that is a

simplistic solutions. Given the extent of the cuts we are facing,

this is the issue. Lord Prescott said so he has given a pledge to

maintain the number of police officers, how do we pay for it

this? To recruit 10 police officers costs nearly half a million pounds.

Let me answer that, I am quoted directly if there, I am using the

arguments by the Independent constabulary that says we are

cutting the rate here as twice the rate than any other part of the

country. The crime is not going down. I am using his arguments and

saying to the police, a Fewcott 440, why not go for the last deep cuts

and keep more her police and PCSOs on delivery. -- if you cut 440.

Crime as a stable, it has reduced in the last year in a climate work

we are trying to improve efficiency. -- Klein is not stable. -- crime.

If it does not come from the public pocket, we have to borrow it, so it

comes from the pockets of our children. It is not about global

numbers. The question is, are we cutting too far and too fast? The

reason that Humberside is cutting twice the rate of the national

average is that police officers have a low proportion of time on

the street. We are trying to transferred the time spent in the

back Koreans to civilian workers. - - spent in the back rooms. There is

a lot of talking about cuts in policing and that impacts on the

public's fear. We should not be telling the public about this, we

should be getting more from the same and we do this by looking at

what a police officer does on any given date. There is not just the

people on the beach, there are the air police, the traffic police, the

sniffer dogs, they are not just sitting there looking at e-mails,

we need to get them on the street and use them in a better way.

are going to talk about the huge amount of police resources put into

dealing with traffic incidents, especially with police cameras

where opinion is always divided. My name is Tony Hodson. Three years

ago I lost my daughter in a tragic road accident through speeding and

dangerous driving. I knew that she was popular and had lots of friends.

She would help at the one that had any problems and always made time

for them. Speed cameras would have may be deterred the speeding. I am

not saying it would never have happened, but by having the speed

cameras, this would not have happened specifically to make. I

would like to know what they will do about speed cameras and about

how long it takes to get a decision and made end-all of the red tape.

Maybe they can simplify it. My priority is my safety and the

safety of my children and I am sure everyone would agree it is money

well spent. To ensure as much as you possibly can, the saved your

people on the roads and pedestrians. -- the safety of people.

You're standing and 90 speed camera at the sheer, Mr Godfry, what he

think of that? -- you're standing against speed cameras. This person

was killed by somebody driving dangerously. I drove here this

morning in foggy conditions at 50 mph because visibility was 60 yards.

I was being overtaken by cars without their lights driving at 70

mph which was dangerous but legal. Speed is a subjective thing. Speed

itself does not kill, bad driving kales. We are being fobbed off bed

in exchange for a proper traffic police, we have been given cameras

on sticks that do not work and not just blackspots which was the

original idea, but you draw in the money. This is all about making

money. There is evidence to show that it does work. We're missing

the point, because this is a tremendously tragic thing to happen,

and the issue is, we treat traffic differently to other crimes, for

some reason. A few get into a car which is two tons of metal and you

decide to drive recklessly knowing the consequences of your actions,

that is a serious crime. I have dealt with crimes before where I

investigated somebody for manslaughter or a murder, he need

to make that are higher. We need to educate on speeding, dangerous

driving. It is not separate from criminality. if you wanted to kill

someone, you do not have to shoot them, you can run them over. If

you're driving big chunks of metal. I appreciate dangerous driving

needs to be dealt worth. -- dealt with. In relation to speed cameras,

we are using them to might elsewhere than in blackspots. They

are being seen by the public as a milk cow, and it is damaging the

relationship of the public. They need to keep law and order and to

maintain law and order with the help and co-operation of the public.

Every time a member of the public feels hard done by as a result of a

speed camera, his confidence in the police is eroded. That needs to be

taken into account when looking at where to put to Amara, speed

cameras. -- were to put a camera. Speed cameras have seen road safety

figures dropped to a low level. We are stopping off the people being

killed and injured on the roads, but they are a one-hit pony and not

a replacement for a well trained traffic officer policing of the

roadways. There is a place for safety cameras, but there is an

issue that they may be cash cows. I hope to have a public review of

this, if I am elected and if we can find cameras in locations where

they cannot therefore genuine safety reasons, then reposition

them to places where people are being killed. Are you against or in

support of speed cameras? I looked at this as a Minister and there

were thousands of people being seriously injured and killed and it

is down to 25,000 now because of safety cameras. Children it is down

from 6,000 deaths to 4,000 deaths. The Government has now started

removing the money from that, �100 million from the local parties that

cannot continue to combine safety policy. It has cost a lot of lives,

and to hear Godfrey Bloom saying about if it is intellectually

acceptable, this is terrible. Thousands of lives are being saved

by that when a ship. This is from your government that bankrupted the

country! There cash cows and should have been had to blackspots and

that is the long and short of good! They do not anything much about

road safety, it is about raising awareness. The RAC and the

Automobile Association agreed. They get the profit from the speed

cameras and support the retraining. Very briefly, 10 seconds on the

best. That is all you think about, the bankruptcy! The public should

decide what they want to do, instead Davos and our opinion, the

whole point of collecting these police and Crown Commissioners is

having the people tell us what they want us to do. -- crime

commissioners. Let's get the views of the Humberside Police Federation

next. I am the chairman of Humberside

Police Federation I represent about 1800 police officers across by

Humberside Police in the region. We have got some fundamental concerns

around the concept of the police and crime commissionaire. It is too

important to get wrong, so it is a huge job to take on board.

Especially with the cuts and the challenges that the police face,

the agenda has to be achieving this in an area of diminishing resources.

We maintain that the bedrock of policing has got to be the office

of constable, not just about privatisation. We have seen with

the G4S tobacco Howard can go horribly wrong at this summer. --

de Bath got how it can go wrong. We need to look at the responses of

what is needed, not about getting more results in the next election.

We are concentrating on Humberside today, but you can find out more

about the candidates in your area by going to this BBC website. Neil,

you're slogan is the politics out of policing, do you agree with the

Federation? Yes, it is simple, we need to keep their numbers at what

they are at the moment, as close as possible, because what the police

is doing is affected. Crime is coming down and I know people do

not like statistics, but that is the truth. Mathew Grove, the police

are issuing complains about how they will maintain frontline

support when their budget is being cut? Yes, this is a time of

significant change for the police, but their fears are not grounded.

We see crime being reduced and that is in a period of difficult

Financial Times, in a period when we are driving efficiency and have

seen a small reduction in police numbers, crime has also fallen.

That is because we are concentrating on the important

crime issues and targeting them to actually fighting crime and

reducing the bureaucracy they have to deal with to get the mad to the

police station and use those warranted police powers to stop,

question, search and arrest and keep the streets are safe. We need

to stop judging public services by the money going into them and judge

them by their results. The results out that crime has dropped 43 %.

You cannot claim one year's figures is changing it, 15,000 are going

out of the police. There is a correlation, not 100 %, between the

level of crime, the combination of the community and are working to

reduce crime. But it's what we have seen, they want to take away the

resources. The independent sector is same crime will go up. God free

broom -- Godfrey Bloom Kristina Nevrkla due stand? We saw the

Labour Party get us into debt and an absolute shambles, the

Conservative Party at no better, they are giving no weight foreign

aid, we do not know where it goes, it means we would no need any

police cuts at all. We need to elect someone that knows how to run

money. Lighter company?! -- like Tyre Company?! I have done many

years and the police service, and and they are being cut, pensions

are being cut, they are being attacked, I do not understand why

the Government is cutting so much policing budgets. The budget is

tiny compared to many other budgets. I resonate with what he is saying,

but pick the right person, look at what we are saying. Two things are

important, you need to ask we will allow it, do you trust them and are

they competent? We have to bring this debate to a