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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
Theresa May unveils plans to build many more affordable homes | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
in England, but with no price tag, timetable or building targets - | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
Labour takes aim at the City with what it calls a Robin Hood Tax | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
to fund public services, but will traders just | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
Don't look at the polls - Jeremy Corbyn, at least, | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
insists he can win this election - so which way will | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
We'll hear from a focus group in Leeds. | :01:04. | :01:14. | |
We look at the Green electoral offer and here, what the parties are | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
saying about tackling the air pollution problem in London. | :01:20. | :01:27. | |
And with me, our own scientifically selected focus group | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
of political pundits - they're not so much | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
undecided as clueless - Tom Newton Dunn, Isabel Oakeshott | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
They'll be tweeting throughout the programme. | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
So, we've got two new policies this morning. | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
Labour say they will introduce a financial transaction tax | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
if they win the general election and what they're calling | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
"the biggest crackdown on tax avoidance in the country's history". | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
The Conservatives say they'll work with local authorities in England | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
to build council houses with the right to buy. | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
Theresa May says the policy "will help thousands of people | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
get on the first rung of the housing ladder". | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
Steve, what do you make of them? I have been conditioned after doing | :02:06. | :02:13. | |
tax and spend debates in pre-election periods for many | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
decades to treat policy is not as literal but as arguments. In other | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
words if you look back to 2015 the Tory plan to wipe out the deficit | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
was never going to happen and yet it framed and large event. In that | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
sense the Robin Hood tax is a sensible move for Labour to make at | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
this point because it is part of a narrative of reconfiguring taxation | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
to be fair. Treating it as an argument rather than something that | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
would happen in day one of Labour government is sensible. In terms of | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
building houses Theresa May said right from the beginning when she | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
was in Number Ten that there is a housing deficit in this country | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
rather than the economic deficit George Osborne was focusing on, and | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
this is an example of trying to get house-building going. It seems | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
entirely sensible, not sure how it works with right to buy but again as | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
framing of a 90 minute it makes sense. I disagree with Steve on one | :03:08. | :03:17. | |
front which is how sensible Theresa May's policy is on the housing | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
announcement. I think more broadly these two announcements have | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
something in common which is that over the next 24 hours both will | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
probably unravel in different ways. Ye of little faith! The Mayor of | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
London has already said he doesn't agree with this, and when people see | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
the actual impact of what looks like a populist tax will very potentially | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
affect people's pensions, it might become a lot less popular. On the | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
Tory housing plans, I think it is difficult to imagine how they are | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
going to implement this huge, what looks like a huge land and property | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
grab. Through compulsory purchase orders, which are not a simple | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
instrument. They say they will change the law but really the idea | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
of paying people below the market value for their assets is not | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
something I can see sitting easily with Tory backbenchers or the Tories | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
in the House of Lords. Tom. Both would appear superficially to be | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
appealing to traditional left and traditional right bases. What is | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
more Tory than right to buy, then councils sell on these houses, and | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
Labour slapping a massive tax on the city. The Tories' plan, I would say | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
look a bit deeper and all of the Tory narrative from the last six | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
years which hasn't worked well is talking about the private sector | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
increasing supply in the market. Now Mrs May is talking about the role | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
for the state after all so this is the shift creeping in. On the Labour | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
transaction tax, one of the most interesting things I heard in days | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
was from Paul Mason, former BBC correspondent, now a cog in Easter | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
extreme. On Newsnight he said don't worry about whether the Labour | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
manifesto will add up, I'm promising it will, the bigger Tory attack line | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
should be what on earth will be the macroeconomic effect of taking so | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
much tax out of the system. Very well, we shall see. At least we have | :05:31. | :05:31. | |
some policies to talk about. Now, on Tuesday Labour | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
will launch its manifesto. But we've already got a pretty good | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
idea of what's in it - that's because most of its contents | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
were leaked to the media Labour has a variety of spending | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
pledges including an extra ?6 billion a year for the NHS, | :05:42. | :05:50. | |
an additional ?8 billion for social care over the lifetime | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
of the next parliament, as well as a ?250 billion | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
in infrastructure over The party will support the renewal | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
of the Trident submarine system, although any Prime Minister should | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
be extremely cautious about its use, and the party | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
will hold a strategic defence and security review immediately | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
after the election. In terms of immigration, | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
Labour will seek "reasonable management of migration", | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
but it will not make "false Elsewhere, university tuition | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
fees will be abolished, and the public sector pay cap, | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
which limits pay rises for public sector workers | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
to 1%, will be scrapped. The party also aims to renationalise | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
the railways, the Royal Mail and the National Grid, | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
as well as creating at least one A senior Labour backbencher | :06:32. | :06:39. | |
described it to the Sunday Politics as a manifesto for a leadership | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
who don't "give a toss about the wider public", | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
and several other Labour candidates told us they thought it | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
had been deliberately leaked by the leadership, | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
with one suggesting the leak was intended to "bounce | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
the National Executive" And we're joined now from Salford | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
by the Shadow Business Secretary, Welcome to the programme. The draft | :06:58. | :07:06. | |
manifesto proposed to renationalise the number of industry. You will | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
wait for the franchises to run out rather than buy them out at the | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
moment so can you confirm the railways will not be wholly | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
nationalised until 2030, after three Labour governments, and Jeremy | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
Corbyn will be 80? I'm not going to comment on leaks, you will just have | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
to be patient and wait to see what is in our manifesto. But you have | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
already announced you will nationalise the railways, so tell me | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
about it. We have discussed taking the franchises into public ownership | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
as they expire, however the detail will be set out in the manifesto so | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
I'm not prepared to go into detail until that policy is formally laid | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
out on Tuesday. That doesn't sound very hopeful but let's carry on. You | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
will also nationalise the National Grid, it has a market capitalisation | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
of ?40 billion, why do you want to nationalise that? Again, I'm not | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
going to speculate on leaks, you will just have to be patient. But | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
you said you will nationalise the National Grid so tell's Y. The leaks | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
have suggested but you will just have to wait and see what the final | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
manifesto states on that one. So is it a waste of time me asking you how | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
you will pay for something that costs 40 billion? Be patient, just | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
couple of days to go, but what I would say is there is growing | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
pressure from the public to reform the utilities sector. The | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
Competition and Markets Authority stated in 2015 that bill payers were | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
paying over till debt -- ?2 billion in excess of what they should be | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
paying so there is a clear need for reform. The bills we get are from | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
the energy companies, you are not going to nationalise them, you are | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
going to nationalise the distribution company and I wondered | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
what is the case for nationalising the distribution company? As I said, | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
our full plans will be set out on Tuesday. In relation to the big six | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
energy companies, we know in recent years they have been overcharging | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
customers... There's no point in answering questions I am not asking. | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
I am asking what is the case for nationalising the National Grid? | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
There is a case for reforming the energy sector as a whole and that | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
looks at the activities of the big six companies and it will look at | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
other aspects too. You will have to be patient and wait until Tuesday. | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
What about the Royal Mail? Again, you will have to wait until Tuesday. | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
Why can't you just be honest with the British voter? We know you are | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
going to do this and you have a duty to explain. I'm not even arguing | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
whether it is right or wrong. The Royal Mail was sold off and we know | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
it was sold under value and British taxpayers have a reason to feel | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
aggrieved about that. There is a long-term strategy that would ensure | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
the Royal Mail was classified as a key piece of infrastructure but the | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
details of that will be set out in our manifesto because we want to | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
ensure businesses and households ensure the best quality of service | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
when it comes to their postal providers. You plan to borrow an | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
extra 25 billion per year, John McDonnell has already announced | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
this, on public investment, on top of the around 50 billion already | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
being planned for investment. You will borrow it all so that means, if | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
you can confirm, that many years after the crash by 2021, Labour | :10:51. | :10:59. | |
government would still be borrowing 75 billion a year. Is that correct? | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
We have set out ?250 billion of capital investment, and ?250 billion | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
for a national investment bank. Our financial and fiscal rules dictate | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
we will leave the Government in a state of less debt than we found it | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
at the start of the parliament so we won't increase the national debt at | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
the end of our Parliamentary term. How can you do that if by 2021 you | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
will still be borrowing around 75 billion a year, which is more than | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
we borrow at the moment? The 500 billion figure is set out over a | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
period of ten years, it's a figure that has been suggested by Peter | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
Helm from Oxford University as a figure that is necessary to bring us | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
in line with other industrial competitors. Similar figures have | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
been suggested by groups such as the CBI. By the way I have not included | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
all 500 billion, just the 250 billion on public spending, not the | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
extra money. You talk about the fiscal rules. The draft manifesto | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
said you will leave debt as a proportion of trend GDP law at the | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
end of each parliament, you have just said a version of that. What is | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
trend GDP? In clear terms we will ensure the debt we acquire will be | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
reduced by the end of the parliament. We won't leave the | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Government finances in a worse state than we found them. OK, but what is | :12:28. | :12:36. | |
trend GDP? Our rule is we will ensure public sector net debt is | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
less than we found it when we came to power in Government on June the | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
8th. But that is not what your draft manifesto says. I'm not going to | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
comment on leaks, you are just going to have to wait until Tuesday to | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
look at the fine detail and perhaps we will have another chat then. You | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
have published your plans for corporation tax and you will | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
increase it by a third and your predictions assumed that will get an | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
extra 20 billion a year by the end of the parliament. But that assumes | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
the companies don't change their behaviour, that they move money | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
around, they leave the country or they generate smaller profits. Is | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
that realistic? You are right to make that point and you will see | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
when we set out our policies and costings in the manifesto that we | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
haven't spent all of the tax take. We have allowed for different | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
differentials and potential changes in market activity because that | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
would be approved and direction to take. But corporation tax is allowed | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
to be cut in France and the United States, it's only 12.5% in Dublin. | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
Many companies based in Britain are already wondering whether they | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
should relocate because of Brexit, if you increase this tax by a third | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
couldn't that clinch it for a number of them? No, we will still be one of | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
the lowest corporation tax rate in the G7. Let's look at what's | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
important for business. Cutting corporation tax in itself doesn't | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
improve productivity, or business investment and there's no suggestion | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
cutting corporation tax in recent years has achieved that. Businesses | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
need an investment in tools in things they need to thrive and | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
prosper, they also need to reduce the burden at the lower end of the | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
tax scale, before we get to the Prophet stage. One key example is | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
business rates. We have made the proposal to government to in -- | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
exclude machinery so businesses can invest and grow operations in the | :14:46. | :14:46. | |
future but the Government refused. Corporation tax has been cut since | :14:47. | :15:01. | |
2010. When it was 28% it brought in ?43 billion a year. Now it is down | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
to 20%, it brought in ?55 billion a year. By cutting it in the last | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
year, it brought in 21% more, so what is the problem? It might have | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
brought in more money, but has it increased business investment in the | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
long term. It is not just about cutting corporation tax, but it is | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
on the ability of businesses to thrive and prosper. Business | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
investment in the UK is below are industrial competitors. Wages are | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
stagnating which doesn't indicate businesses are not doing well. Let | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
me get it right, you are arguing if we increase business tax by a third, | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
that will increase investment? I am not saying that. You just did. Know | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
I didn't, I said reducing business tax isn't enough, you have to invest | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
in the things businesses need to thrive and prosper. You have also | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
got to lessen the burden on business. You have announced a | :16:09. | :16:18. | |
financial transaction tax. Your own labour Mayor of London said he has | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
vowed to fight it. He said I do not want a unilateral tax on business in | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
our city, so why are you proceeding with it? This isn't a new | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
initiative, there is a growing global pressure to make sure we have | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
fairness in the financial sector. Ordinary British people are paying | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
for our banking crisis they didn't cause. Another important point, | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
stamp duty reserve tax was brought in in the 1600 and there have been | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
little reforms. The sector has changed and we have do provide | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
changes to the system for that change. High-frequency trading where | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
we have a state of affairs where a lot of shares are traded on | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
computers within milliseconds. We need a tax system that keeps up with | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
that. What happens if they move the computers to another country? Emily | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
Thornaby said this morning, other countries had already introduced a | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
financial transaction tax, what other countries have done that? | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
There are ten countries looking at introducing a transaction tax. Which | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
ones have done it so far? They will be later announcing a final package, | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
going through the finer detail at the moment. But the European | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
Commission tried to get this done in 2011 and it still hasn't happened in | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
any of these countries. But you are going to go ahead unilaterally and | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
risk these businesses, which generate a lot of money, moving to | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
other jurisdictions. There is not a significant risk of that happening. | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
The stamp duty reserve tax is levied at either where the person or | :18:07. | :18:16. | |
company is domiciled or where the instrument is issued rather than | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
worth the transaction takes place. This tax in itself is not enough to | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
make people leave this country in terms of financial services because | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
there is more to keep these businesses here in terms of the | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
investment we are making, the economy that Labour will build, in | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
terms of productivity improvement we will see. Thank you very much, | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Rebecca Long-Bailey. And listening to that was the Home | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
Office Minister, Brandon Lewis. Over the years, you have got | :18:44. | :18:54. | |
corporation tax by 20%, it is lower than international standards, so why | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
are so many global companies who make money out of Great Britain, | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
still not paying 20%? It is one of the problems with the point Labour | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
were making and Rebecca could not answer, these companies can move | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
around the world. One of the important things is having a low tax | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
economy but these businesses, it encourages them to come at a rate | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
they are prepared to pay. People may say they are right, if they were | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
paying 19, 20% incorporation tax. But they are not. Google runs a | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
multi-million pound corporation and did not pay anywhere near 20%. There | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
are companies that are trading internationally and that is why we | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
have to get this work done with our partners around the world. Has there | :19:46. | :19:54. | |
been an improvement? It is more than they were paying before. Whether it | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
is Google or any other company, alongside them being here, apart | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
from the tax they pay, it is the people they employ. The deal was, if | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
you cut the business tax, the corporation tax on profits, we would | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
get more companies coming here and more companies paying their tax. It | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
seems it doesn't matter how low, a number of companies just pay a | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
derisory amount and you haven't been able to change that. As you | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
outlined, the income taken from the changing corporation tax has gone | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
up. That is from established British companies, not from these | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
international companies. It is because more companies are coming | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
here and paying tax. That is a good thing. There is always more to do | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
and that is why we want to crack down. In the last few weeks in the | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
Finnish Parliament, Labour refused to put to another ?8.7 billion of | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
tax take we could have got by cracking down further. You claim to | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
have made great progress on cracking down on people and companies to pay | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
the tax they should. But the tax gap is the difference between what HMRC | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
takes in and what it should take in. It has barely moved in five years, | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
so where is the progress? He have brought in 150 billion more where we | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
have cracked down on those tax schemes. The gap is still the same | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
as it was five years ago. It's gone from 6.8, 26.5. It has gone down. | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
The Prime Minister and the Chancellor said they want to | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
continue work on to get more money on these companies while still | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
having a competitive rate to encourage these companies. While big | :21:44. | :21:52. | |
business and the wealthy continue to prosper, the Office for Budget | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
Responsibility tell us those on average earnings in this country | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
will be earning less in real terms by 2021 than they did in 2008. How | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
can that be fair? I don't see it that way. I haven't seen the figures | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
you have got. What I can say to you, Andrew, we have made sure the | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
minimum wage has gone up, the actual income tax people pay has gone down. | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
So in their pocket, real terms, people have more money. You are the | :22:20. | :22:28. | |
self-styled party of work. We keep emphasising work. Under your | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
government you can work for 13 years and still not earn any more at the | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
end of it, and you did at the start. Where is the reward for effort in | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
that? I have not seen those figures. There are 2.8 million more people, | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
more jobs in economy than there was. 1000 jobs every day and people are | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
working and developing through their careers. This is what I thought was | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
odd in what Rebecca was saying, investing in people is what the | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
apprenticeship levy is about, companies are investing their works | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
force to take more opportunities that there. We are talking about | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
fairness, politicians talk about hard-working people and we know the | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
average earnings are no higher than they were in 2008. We know the pay | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
and bonuses of senior executives have continued to grow and the | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
Institute for Fiscal Studies has shown 3 million of the poorest | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
households will lose an average of ?2500 a year in the next Parliament, | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
benefits frozen, further sanctions kick in. 3 million of the poorest | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
losing 2500. Under the Tories, one law for the rich and another for the | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
poor. It is quite wrong. First of all, we have got to be fair to the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
taxpayer who is funding the welfare and benefit system. Which is why the | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
welfare was right. Get more people in work and then it is important to | :23:54. | :24:03. | |
get more people upscaling. As that allowance rises, people have more of | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
the money they earn in their pocket to be able to use in the economy. | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
People will be worse off. 2500, among the poorest already. They will | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
have more money in their pocket as we increase the allowance before | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
people pay tax. We have seen millions of people coming out of tax | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
altogether. The reason I ask these questions, you and the Prime | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
Minister go on and on about the just about managing classes. I am talking | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
about the just about managing and below that. It is all talk, you | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
haven't done anything for them. We have made sure they have an | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
increasing minimum wage, it has gone up more under us than any other | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
previous government. Their wages will be still lower in real terms. | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
Let me come on to this plan for housing. We have announced a new | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
plan to increase affordable housing, social housing, some council housing | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
and social housing built by the associations. How much money is | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
behind this? It is part of the 1.4 billion announced in the Autumn | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Statement. How many homes will you get for 1.4 billion? That depends on | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
the negotiations with local authorities. It is local | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
authorities, who know the area best. I will not put a number on that. 1.4 | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
billion, if you price the house at 100,000, which is very low, | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
particularly for the South, back at you 14,000 new homes. That is it. | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
What we have seen before, how the local government can leveraged to | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
build thousands more homes. That is what we want to see across the | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
country. It is not just about the money, for a lot of local | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
authorities it is about the expertise and knowledge on how to do | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
this. That is why support from the housing communities minister will | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
help. What is the timescale, how many more affordable homes will be | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
built? I will not put a number on it. You announced it today, so you | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
cannot tell me how many more or what the target is? It is a matter of | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
working with the local authorities who know what their local needs are, | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
what land they have got available. What we saw through the local | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
elections with the Metro mayors, they want to deliver in their areas, | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
whether it is the West of England, the north-east, Liverpool, | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
Manchester and we want to work with them. You have said variations of | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
this for the past seven years and I want some credibility. When you | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
cannot tell us how much money, what the target and timescale is, and | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
this government, under which affordable house building has fallen | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
to a 24 year low. 1.2 million families are on waiting lists for | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
social housing to rent. That is your record. Why should we believe a word | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
you say? This is different to what we have been doing over the last two | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
years. We want to develop and have a strong and stable economy that can | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
sustain that 1.4 billion homes. This is important. In 2010, we inherited | :27:17. | :27:25. | |
the lowest level of house building, 75,000 new homes. That is about | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
189,000 over the last four years. That is a big step forward after the | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
crash, getting people back into the industry. More first-time buyers | :27:35. | :27:45. | |
onto the market. Final question, in 2010, 2011, your first year in | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
government, there were 60,000 affordable homes built. May not be | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
enough, but last day it was 30 2000. So why should we trust anything you | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
say about this? On housing, we have delivered. We have delivered more | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
social housing. Double what Labour did in 13 years, in just five years. | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
This is what this policy is about, working with local authorities to | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
deliver more homes to people in their local areas. Thank you. | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
Now, they have a deficit of between 15 and 20% in the polls, | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
but Jeremy Corbyn and those around him insist Labour can win. | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
If the polls are right they've got three and half weeks to change | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
voters' minds and persuade those fabled undecided voters | :28:32. | :28:33. | |
We enlisted the polling organisation YouGov to help us find out how | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
the performance of party leaders will affect behaviour | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
Leeds, a city of three quarters of a million people, | :28:41. | :28:49. | |
eight Parliamentary seats and home to our very own focus group. | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
Our panel was recruited from a variety of backgrounds | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
and the majority say they haven't decided who to vote for yet. | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
Watching behind the glass, two experts on different sides | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
Giles Cunningham, who headed up political press at Downing Street | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
under David Cameron and Aaron Bastani, Corbin supporter, | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
under David Cameron and Aaron Bastani, Corbyn supporter, | :29:18. | :29:19. | |
I think Theresa May sees herself as a pound shop Thatcher. | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
Milliband's policies but when it came | :29:24. | :29:43. | |
about who you want, if you wake up on maybe a 2015, | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
We found in a couple of focus groups, people saying | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
we'd be quite relieved, even though some of those same | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
people have been saying we quite like the Labour policies. | :29:54. | :29:55. | |
I think the fact that Corbyn's going so hard on his values, | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
this is a really progressive manifesto, they live | :30:01. | :30:01. | |
But I think that's a new challenge, that wasn't there in 2015. | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
Is there anyone here that you don't recognise? | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
After a little warm up, the first exercise, recognising | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
I think it's nice to have a strong woman in politics, I do. | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
But I've got to say, when she comes on the news, | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
I kind of do think, here we go again. | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
Tell me about Tim Farron, what are your impressions of Tim Farron? | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
It isn't going to do anything, it isn't going to change anything. | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
You'll be surprised to hear it's actually the Greens. | :30:30. | :30:37. | |
Strong and stable leadership in the national interest. | :30:38. | :30:50. | |
Yes, Team May, it's the British equivalent of make | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
What do we think about this one for the many and not the few? | :30:56. | :31:04. | |
It's not quite as bad as strong and stable, | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
but it will probably get on our nerves after a while. | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
We must seize that chance today and every day until June the 8th. | :31:10. | :31:20. | |
But that's not quite my question, my question is, | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
if you are Prime Minister, we will leave, come hell or high | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
water, whatever is on the table at the end of the negotiations? | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
If we win the election, we'll get a good deal with Europe. | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
Assertive and in control and he felt comfortable | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
But the second one, I thought he was very hesitant. | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
I thought he was kind of, hovering around, skirting around | :31:44. | :31:52. | |
and that's the second time I've seen a similar | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
interview with the question being asked regarding Brexit. | :31:56. | :31:56. | |
I don't think I'd have any confidence with him | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
You think you are going up against some quite strong people, | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
how are you going to stand up for us? | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
When you are in negotiations, you need to be tough. | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
And actually is right to be tough sometimes, | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
particularly when you are doing something for the country. | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
There's a reason for talking about strong and stable leadership. | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
It's about the future of the country, it's | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
It's just that people kind of listen to that kind of thing and think | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
Both on The One Show and in the news. | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
She attracts the public better than what Corbyn does. | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
She didn't answer the question in a more articular way than Corbyn | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
Imagine that Theresa May is an animal. | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
So, in your minds, what animal is coming to mind | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
I've done a Pekinese because I think she's all bark and no bite. | :32:47. | :33:00. | |
Alpaca because she's superior looking and woolly | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
I don't think his policies are for the modern, real world. | :33:07. | :33:22. | |
A mouse because they are weak and they can be easily bullied, | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
but also they can catch you by surprise if you're | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
What do you take away from what you saw then, | :33:29. | :33:36. | |
and what message would you send back to the Tories now? | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
I think what came over is people see Theresa May as a strong politician, | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
not everyone likes her, but you don't need to be | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
liked to be elected, because ultimately it's about who do | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
you trust with your future and your security. | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
I think what I also take out of that focus group, | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
was it was a group of floating voters, there was no huge appetite | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
for the Lib Dems and there was no huge appetite for Ukip. | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
So my messaged back to CCHQ would be stick to the plan. | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
I thought the response to the manifesto was excellent. | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
It's clear that people aren't particularly keen on Theresa May, | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
There are some associations with her about strength and stability, | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
which is exactly what the Tory party want of course, but they are not | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
positive and nobody thinks that she has a vision | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
So, what I'd say the Jeremy Corbyn, what I'd say to the Labour Party is, | :34:17. | :34:23. | |
they need to really emphasise the manifesto in | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
Jeremy Corbyn himself has to perform out of his skin and I think | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
he has to reemphasise those characteristics which may be have | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
come to the fore may be over the last 12 months, | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
resilience, strength and the fact that he's come this far, | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
why not take that final step and go into ten Downing Street? | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
We're joined now by the American political consultant | :34:42. | :34:43. | |
For the sake of this discussion, assume the polls at the moment are | :34:44. | :34:53. | |
broadly right, is there any hope for Mr Corbyn in the undecided voters? | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
Know, and this is a very serious collection with serious consequences | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
to who wins. Nobody cares whether you can draw and what animal they | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
represent, they want to know where they stand, and I felt that was | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
frivolous. I come to Britain to watch elections because I learned | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
from here. Your elections are more substantial, more serious, more | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
policy and less about personality and that peace was only about | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
personality. That's partly because Mrs May has decided to make this a | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
presidential election. You can see on the posters it is all Team May. I | :35:30. | :35:44. | |
agree with that, and in her language she says not everyone benefits from | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
a Conservative government, I don't see how using anything Republicans | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
have used in the past. In fact her campaign is more of a centrist | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
Democrats but it is a smart strategy because it pushes Corbyn further to | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
the left. Of course you said Hillary Clinton have won. On election night | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
the polling was so bad in America, the exit polls that were done, the | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
BBC told America she had won. No, I was anchoring the programme that | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
night, I ignored your tweet. The BBC had the same numbers. Yes, but we | :36:19. | :36:26. | |
did not say she had won, I can assure you of that. Because of | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
people like you we thought she had but we didn't broadcast it. That was | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
a smart approach. My point is other than teasing you, maybe there is | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
hope for Jeremy Corbyn. I think you will have one of the lowest turnout | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
in modern history and I think Labour will fall to one of the lowest | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
percentages, not percentage of number of seats they have had, and | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
this will be a matter of soul-searching for both political | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
parties. What you do with a sizeable majority, and she has a | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
responsibility to tell the British people exactly what happens as she | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
moves forward. He and Labour will have to take a look at whether they | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
still represent a significant slice of the British population. Do you | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
see a realignment in British politics taking place? I see a | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
crumbling of the left and yet there is still a significant percentage of | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
the British population that once someone who is centre-left. And they | :37:29. | :37:38. | |
like a lot of Mr Corbyn's policies. I'm listening to Michael foot. I | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
went to school here in the 1980s and I feel like I'm watching the Labour | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
Party of 35 years ago, in a population that wants to focus on | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
the future, not the past. Thank you. It's just gone 11.35, | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20 | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
minutes, the Week Ahead. Coming up here in 20 | :37:57. | :00:58. | |
Tories are saying. It is a very emotive subject and we have run out | :00:59. | :00:59. | |
of time. On Thursday nominations closed | :01:00. | :01:07. | |
in the 650 parliamentary seats across the country, | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
so now we know exactly who's We've been analysing the parties' | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
candidates to find out what they might tell us | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
about the make-up of the House Well, we know Theresa May is | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
committed to delivering Brexit and analysis of Conservative | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
candidates has shown that in their top 100 target seats, | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
37 candidates supported leave during last year's referendum | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
campaign and 20 supported remain; 43 | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
have not made public In the last parliament, | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
the vast majority of Labour MPs were hostile to Jeremy Corbyn so how | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
supportive are Labour Well, of 50 of Labour's | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
top 100 target seats 17 candidates have expressed | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
support for Mr Corbyn. 20 candidates supported Owen Smith | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
in last year's leadership contest or have expressed | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
anti-Corbyn sentiment, and If they won those, | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
the Labour benches would be marginally more sympathetic | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
to Mr Corbyn than they are now. What do the figures tell us | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
about where the other Well, the Lib Dems have decided not | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
to stand against the Greens in Brighton Pavilion, | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
and are fielding 629 candidates this year - | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
that's two fewer than 2015. The number of Ukip candidates has | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
fallen dramatically. They are standing in 247 fewer | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
constituencies than 2015, throwing their support behind | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
solidly pro-Brexit Tories in some areas such as Lewes | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
and Norfolk North. The Greens are fielding | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
103 fewer candidates than at the last election, | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
standing down to help other progressive candidates | :02:52. | :03:02. | |
in some places. The most liking statistic is the | :03:03. | :03:15. | |
demise in Ukip candidates, is this their swansong? And I think so. It | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
is remarkable how few Ukip candidates are standing. It is hard | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
to see they will suddenly revive in the next couple of years. I think | :03:30. | :03:39. | |
this is probably the end. Frank Luntz mentioned the fragmentation of | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
the left was a feature of this election, but also there is the | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
consolidation of the right, and if you take the things together that | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
could explain why the polls are where they are. Absolutely, that's | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
precisely what happened at the start of the 1980s, the right was | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
incredibly united and that's when we started talking about majorities of | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
over 100 or so. No matter what the size of Theresa May's majority, it | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
will be the total collapse of Ukip, but not just because we are now | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
leaving the EU and that was their only reason for being, but a whole | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
lot of people voted for Ukip because they felt the Tories were no longer | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
listening. Theresa May has given the impression that she is listening, | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
and that is the biggest possible thing that could happen to the Tory | :04:34. | :04:42. | |
vote. Fragmentation of the left, consolidation of the right? It's one | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
of the lessons that is never learnt, it happened in the 1980s, it doesn't | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
take much for the whole thing to fracture so now you have on the | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
centre-left the SNP, the Labour Party, the Greens, the Liberal | :04:56. | :05:02. | |
Democrats all competing for the same votes and when you have, fleetingly | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
perhaps, large numbers coalescing on the right in one party, there is | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
only going to be one outcome. It happens regularly. It doesn't mean | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
the Tories haven't got their own fragility. Two years ago, David | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
Cameron and George Osborne the dominant figures, neither are in | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
Parliament now which is a symptom of the fragility this election is | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
disguising. Mrs May's position in a way reminds me of Mrs Thatcher in | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
the 1980s, I won't be outflanked on the right, Nicolas Sarkozy in | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
France, I won't be outflanked on the right, so the National Front didn't | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
get through either timed he ran to the second round on like this time, | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
and now Mrs May on Brexit won't be outflanked Iver and as a result has | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
seen off right flank. And also she is looking to the left as well with | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
some of the state interventions. What was interesting about the | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
analysis you showed a few minutes ago was the number of Tory | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
candidates who have apparently not declared which way they voted in the | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
referendum, and you would have thought if this election was all | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
about Brexit, as some would claim, that would become an unsustainable | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
position, and actually more it's about leadership. But the point that | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
I'm now hearing from a number of Labour candidates that they are | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
seeing Tory leaflets that don't even have the Tory candidate's name on | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
them, it is just about Theresa May. I am glad they are keeping to the | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
law because by law they have to put it on. It has been harder for some | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
of the smaller parties too because of the speed of the election being | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
called. We have the manifesto is coming out this week. I think Labour | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
Forshaw on Tuesday, we are not yet sure when the Tories will bring | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
bears out. I suggest one thing, it will at least for people like me | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
bring an end to the question you will have to wait for the manifesto. | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
And Rebecca Long baby will never have that excuse again, isn't it | :07:14. | :07:23. | |
wonderful! She is not the only one. When you are trying to take the | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
north and Midlands from Labour, I would go to one or the other. For | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
me, I can barely hold back my excitement over the Tory manifesto. | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
This will be, I think, the most important day for the British | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
government for the next five years. That wasn't irony there? You | :07:41. | :07:49. | |
actually meant that? I'm not even being cynical at all on Sunday | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
Politics! This is a huge day and it's because I think we will see... | :07:54. | :08:02. | |
I don't think Mrs May will play it safe and I don't think we will get | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
the broadbrush stuff that she might be advised to do. I think she will | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
lay out precisely what you want to do over the next five years and take | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
some big risks. Then finally after a year of this guessing and | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
theorising, we will finally work out what Mrs May is all about. She will | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
say she doesn't want the next parliament to be all about Brexit, | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
though she knows that's the next important thing she has to deliver | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
in some way, so she gets a mandate for that if the polls are right but | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
she does have very different ideas from | :08:34. | :08:47. | |
Mr Cameron about how to run a country. She will I assume one to | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
mandate for what these different ideas are. Otherwise there is no | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
point in holding an early election. You will get a majority, but if you | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
get a mandate to carry on implementing the Cameron and Osborne | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
manifesto it would be utterly pointless. I agree, it is the | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
pivotal event of the election and it will be interesting to see the | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
degree to which she expands on the line which interests me about its | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
time to look at the good that government can do. Because in a way | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
this moves the debate on in UK politics from, from 97 the Blair | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Brown governments were insecure about arguing about the role of | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
government. Cameron Osborne government similarly so, so here you | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
have a Labour Party talking about the role of government and the | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
state, and Tory leader apparently doing so was well. I think that will | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
be really interesting to see whether it is fleshed out in any significant | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
way. And it is not a natural Tory message. Harold Macmillan talked | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
about the role of the state, Ted Heath Mark two was pretty big on the | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
state, the industrial policy and so on, and even if it is not thought to | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
be that Tory, does she get away with it because she deliver such a big | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
victory if that's what she does deliver? Just inject a little note | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
of scepticism, I wonder how much of this is authentically Theresa May. I | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
was interested to and talk to someone who used to sit in cabinet | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
meetings during which Theresa May never expressed an opinion on | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
anything outside the Home Office briefs. Other ministers were roving | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
all over their colleagues' briefs. So where are the ideas coming from? | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
I think we can point to Nick Timothy. One of her closest advisers | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
in Downing Street. It will be interesting to see how that evolves. | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
On Thursday I think we will all be talking about something called | :10:51. | :11:01. | |
Urdington Toryism. Urdington is the suburb of Birmingham where Nick | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
Timothy comes from, who is very much Theresa May's policy brain and | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
leading inspiration. Urdington Toryism is about connecting the | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
party with traditional working class voters, and their belief to do that | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
is not just taking away government out of their lives but showing them | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
that government can actually help their lives. It can be a force for | :11:25. | :11:33. | |
good to rebuild the trust. A lot of what Mrs May talks about is all... | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
It is talk and then a lot of it suddenly goes by the wayside. What | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
happened to worker directors on the boards. It is designed to appeal to | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
that constituency and then nothing happens. She had an excuse before in | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
the sense that it wasn't in the 2015 manifesto and she had a small | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
majority so therefore she arguably had to water down some of the stuff | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
for example in her Tory conference speech, which had a lot of this | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
active government material in it. If she puts it in the manifesto, it is | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
a sign she plans to do it and will have no excuse if she then gets | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
nervous afterwards because it will be in there. If it wasn't for | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
Brexit, this great overwhelming issue, I think this election will be | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
seen as quite a significant development in terms of an argument | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
around the role of government, much-needed. But Brexit | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
unfortunately overshadows it all. As much as we like our arguments over | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
the role of government we will hear strong and stable, stable and strong | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
ad nauseam, aren't we? Absolutely, and we heard the same old lines from | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
the Labour Party as well so they are all at it. It will be a fascinating | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
week, stop talking it down! Thanks to our panel. | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
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