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But first to the latest in a series of interviews with the main Welsh | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
parties ahead of polling day. Last week we heard from my country, today | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
it is Ukip's turn and its leader in the Assembly, Neil Hamilton. Thank | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
you for coming in. You said you could as a permanent feature in the | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
political landscape in Wales now. After those local elections in Kabul | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
of weeks ago, that can't be a claim you can make any longer. Two Plaid | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Cymru. The big difference between Wales and the rest of the UK is that | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
in the Welsh Assembly elections we have proportional representation | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
system of voting, unlike in the general election that happening now, | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
there is a binary squeeze on the smaller parties, by the Tories and | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Labour. Squeezing out the smaller parties, but won't happen in the | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Assembly elections in four years time and this general election has | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
come at a very inopportune time for Ukip, we have a new leader who | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
hasn't had a chance to bed himself in, still got to communicate what | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
Ukip is for post-Brexit and we have the time to do that. It sounds if I | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
may say so you are preparing the ground for either a disappointing | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
set of results on June the 8th. We don't have any MPs at the moment so | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
we have nothing to lose, the selection is a work in progress for | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
us, my message to people who voted Ukip in the past to Mike be tempted | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
to vote for Theresa May is she doesn't need your boards, she will | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
win by a massive majority, we need Ukip to be an insurance policy to | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
get the best possible outcome for Brexit. When Paul Nuttall says it | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Theresa May gets a good deal for Brexit he'd be happy that UKIP | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
doesn't do well, it's as if you are waving the white flag already. But | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
he doesn't believe she will get a good deal from Brexit, we don't | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
think she can be trusted, she was a remainder, an opportunist, posing as | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
Boadicea and a Brexiteer. She's been Home Secretary and Prime Minister of | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
the last seven years, standing under programme of reducing immigration to | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
tens of thousands, herself adding 2 million people to the British | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
population, she doesn't deliver. We need to be there to keep her on | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
track and keep the pressure on because we would never have had the | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
referendum on the first place but for Ukip and... That your message | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
but it seems the population of voters just aren't listening. The | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
Shane Lowry get for Ukip is that you are a party in search of a purpose | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
and really there is no point to you. That is what the polls tell us, | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
obviously, but things can change in the middle of an election campaign, | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
I remember the election campaign the sneakernet and the Sheffield rally | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
and Labour lost. Things can change. I hope as we move through this | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
campaign Ukip voters from last time we'll see the sense of keeping Ukip | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
in the game to put pressure on Theresa May to deliver the best | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
Brexit for Britain which otherwise she might be tempted to give away. | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
What are you offering, beyond Brexit, what you stand for? We have | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
a full programme for the selection which will be announced, the | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
manifesto launch shortly, several things, let me just mention a | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
handful. Slash the foreign made budget by 8 billion year to put the | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
money into the NHS, scrap green taxes to reduce electricity bills by | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
?300 a year on average, we would take Britain out of the European | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
Convention on Human Rights and restore the sovereignty of British | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
courts... That's Brexit. But it has to be a UK Government to do that. | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
Which green taxes we do is grab? Get rid of the charges on electricity | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
bills which are necessary to pay subsidies for wind farms. Or do you | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
get your figures from? That's the conventional figure for the totality | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
of green taxes. The regulator says ?100 from the average bill, Patrick | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
O'Flynn your economic spokesman says its ?100 of the bill, why are you | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
that's the figure I've used all along. But is it correct? I believe | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
it to be correct. Is your economics spokesman wrong? There are different | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
kinds of taxes, environmental charges which are added to bills. | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
Look at your electricity bill, you will see roughly a fifth of your | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
bill is identified as... But the regulator... I'll tell you. The | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
regulator says a ?1000, your economic spokesman says it's 100... | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
Your average electricity bill is ?1500 a year, in this country, 20% | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
to cover for by green charges, go home and look at your bill. Look at | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
migration, the policy we see from Ukip is one person in, one person | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
out, how does that work? Net immigration down to zero in five | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
years time, is that right? That's the aim. It's the end. We are not | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
going to be the government of the country but we think that's | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
achievable. Mr macro says she wants to bring immigration down to tens of | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
thousands, if she can bring down from a third of a million a year to | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
tens of thousands, it's not a big step to take it down to zero. How | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
would you do that? You can't be counting that as anything will | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
happen between now and 2019. We are still in the EU. We would introduce | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
a points -based system such as they have in Australia, there would | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
obviously be temporary permits for people to come and work here for | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
seasonal reasons, fruit pickers and so what is needed. But ultimately, | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
the British Government would be able to decide for itself what its annual | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
target is, Australia has an annual target for how many migrants... But | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
Australia does not have a one person in, one person a policy, doesn't | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
want zero immigration. If the economy was growing, we would want | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
more people coming in to fill new jobs created? Why are you putting | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
this arbitrary figure of zero net migration down? We are adding a city | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
the size of Cardiff to our population every year. But let's | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
talk about what you want to see it coming down to it. We think there | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
needs to be a moratorium within a reasonable timescale on immigration | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
in order to be and to get the system under control. Yes, it can vary from | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
year to year. And that will be an annual decision for the Home | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
Secretary on -- and the government to take. At the moment we can't take | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
that decision because we can't control EU immigration but we can | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
control immigration from outside the year and the government isn't doing | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
it. If it varies from year to year that zero target is that remain or | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
doesn't vary from year to year? It will be open for review every year, | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
it depends what the needs of the economy are and what other pressures | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
on public services which would be put in issue if the numbers were too | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
great? That's three different what Paul Nuttall has been saying, your | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
party leader, within five years net immigration down to zero. What | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
you're saying now is different. No, it's not different at all, what | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
we're saying is the aim should be stability the numbers, from there | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
on, Edward the annual review which is what happens in all countries | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
which at the immigration control based upon numbers, it's not | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
something that is difficult to do, it takes time to set the system up | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
and so... That target of achieving this in five use, it doesn't sound | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
like it's achievable from what you say? Ukip is not going to be the | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
government of the country so it's a bit like arguing how many angels | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
dance on the head of the pin. White of having a manifesto if you are not | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
going to be the government of the country? Let's be realistic, of | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
course I could sit here and say, we are in the game to win and indeed we | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
are but in reality we are not going to be the government of the country | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
on the 9th of June, we want to get a good fold of the election to take us | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
to the next stage. But how likely is it you can be the man to achieve | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
that, look at the polls he mentioned earlier, the most recent in Wales | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
have your personal rating as the laws that anybody has ever had in | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
any of these polls. It's low, 1.9 out of ten on average for all | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
parties, three out of ten among Ukip voters, ie part of the problem, do | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
you think? I'm only leader of the Ukip in the Assembly, I'm not | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
seeking to be the leader of the party. You are a leading member of | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
the party. I've come into this to do a job, to lead the Ukip group in the | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
Assembly because I've got a great deal of political experience as a | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
member of Parliament, government minister, and I've been around a | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
long time and so I've got certain advantages which I've been able to | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
bring to it, to professionalise Ukip in Wales and get is the kind of | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
media attention which are scum to enable us to go forward. I don't | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
have political ambitions beyond this. Neil Hamilton, thank you for | :08:57. | :09:06. | |
your time. -- which are going to enable us. | :09:07. | :09:15. | |
The 2017 general election is upon us. Everyday BBC Parliament will | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
have the key speeches from the main players in full and uncut as well as | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
the big campaign events. Don't miss a single moment on BBC Parliament | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
and BBC iPlayer. Pure politics from the UK's only dedicated politics | :09:31. | :09:31. | |
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