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But first to the latest in a series of interviews with the main Welsh

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parties ahead of polling day. Last week we heard from my country, today

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it is Ukip's turn and its leader in the Assembly, Neil Hamilton. Thank

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you for coming in. You said you could as a permanent feature in the

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political landscape in Wales now. After those local elections in Kabul

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of weeks ago, that can't be a claim you can make any longer. Two Plaid

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Cymru. The big difference between Wales and the rest of the UK is that

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in the Welsh Assembly elections we have proportional representation

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system of voting, unlike in the general election that happening now,

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there is a binary squeeze on the smaller parties, by the Tories and

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Labour. Squeezing out the smaller parties, but won't happen in the

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Assembly elections in four years time and this general election has

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come at a very inopportune time for Ukip, we have a new leader who

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hasn't had a chance to bed himself in, still got to communicate what

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Ukip is for post-Brexit and we have the time to do that. It sounds if I

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may say so you are preparing the ground for either a disappointing

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set of results on June the 8th. We don't have any MPs at the moment so

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we have nothing to lose, the selection is a work in progress for

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us, my message to people who voted Ukip in the past to Mike be tempted

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to vote for Theresa May is she doesn't need your boards, she will

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win by a massive majority, we need Ukip to be an insurance policy to

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get the best possible outcome for Brexit. When Paul Nuttall says it

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Theresa May gets a good deal for Brexit he'd be happy that UKIP

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doesn't do well, it's as if you are waving the white flag already. But

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he doesn't believe she will get a good deal from Brexit, we don't

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think she can be trusted, she was a remainder, an opportunist, posing as

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Boadicea and a Brexiteer. She's been Home Secretary and Prime Minister of

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the last seven years, standing under programme of reducing immigration to

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tens of thousands, herself adding 2 million people to the British

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population, she doesn't deliver. We need to be there to keep her on

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track and keep the pressure on because we would never have had the

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referendum on the first place but for Ukip and... That your message

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but it seems the population of voters just aren't listening. The

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Shane Lowry get for Ukip is that you are a party in search of a purpose

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and really there is no point to you. That is what the polls tell us,

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obviously, but things can change in the middle of an election campaign,

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I remember the election campaign the sneakernet and the Sheffield rally

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and Labour lost. Things can change. I hope as we move through this

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campaign Ukip voters from last time we'll see the sense of keeping Ukip

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in the game to put pressure on Theresa May to deliver the best

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Brexit for Britain which otherwise she might be tempted to give away.

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What are you offering, beyond Brexit, what you stand for? We have

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a full programme for the selection which will be announced, the

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manifesto launch shortly, several things, let me just mention a

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handful. Slash the foreign made budget by 8 billion year to put the

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money into the NHS, scrap green taxes to reduce electricity bills by

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?300 a year on average, we would take Britain out of the European

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Convention on Human Rights and restore the sovereignty of British

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courts... That's Brexit. But it has to be a UK Government to do that.

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Which green taxes we do is grab? Get rid of the charges on electricity

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bills which are necessary to pay subsidies for wind farms. Or do you

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get your figures from? That's the conventional figure for the totality

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of green taxes. The regulator says ?100 from the average bill, Patrick

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O'Flynn your economic spokesman says its ?100 of the bill, why are you

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that's the figure I've used all along. But is it correct? I believe

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it to be correct. Is your economics spokesman wrong? There are different

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kinds of taxes, environmental charges which are added to bills.

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Look at your electricity bill, you will see roughly a fifth of your

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bill is identified as... But the regulator... I'll tell you. The

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regulator says a ?1000, your economic spokesman says it's 100...

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Your average electricity bill is ?1500 a year, in this country, 20%

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to cover for by green charges, go home and look at your bill. Look at

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migration, the policy we see from Ukip is one person in, one person

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out, how does that work? Net immigration down to zero in five

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years time, is that right? That's the aim. It's the end. We are not

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going to be the government of the country but we think that's

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achievable. Mr macro says she wants to bring immigration down to tens of

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thousands, if she can bring down from a third of a million a year to

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tens of thousands, it's not a big step to take it down to zero. How

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would you do that? You can't be counting that as anything will

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happen between now and 2019. We are still in the EU. We would introduce

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a points -based system such as they have in Australia, there would

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obviously be temporary permits for people to come and work here for

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seasonal reasons, fruit pickers and so what is needed. But ultimately,

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the British Government would be able to decide for itself what its annual

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target is, Australia has an annual target for how many migrants... But

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Australia does not have a one person in, one person a policy, doesn't

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want zero immigration. If the economy was growing, we would want

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more people coming in to fill new jobs created? Why are you putting

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this arbitrary figure of zero net migration down? We are adding a city

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the size of Cardiff to our population every year. But let's

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talk about what you want to see it coming down to it. We think there

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needs to be a moratorium within a reasonable timescale on immigration

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in order to be and to get the system under control. Yes, it can vary from

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year to year. And that will be an annual decision for the Home

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Secretary on -- and the government to take. At the moment we can't take

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that decision because we can't control EU immigration but we can

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control immigration from outside the year and the government isn't doing

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it. If it varies from year to year that zero target is that remain or

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doesn't vary from year to year? It will be open for review every year,

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it depends what the needs of the economy are and what other pressures

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on public services which would be put in issue if the numbers were too

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great? That's three different what Paul Nuttall has been saying, your

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party leader, within five years net immigration down to zero. What

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you're saying now is different. No, it's not different at all, what

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we're saying is the aim should be stability the numbers, from there

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on, Edward the annual review which is what happens in all countries

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which at the immigration control based upon numbers, it's not

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something that is difficult to do, it takes time to set the system up

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and so... That target of achieving this in five use, it doesn't sound

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like it's achievable from what you say? Ukip is not going to be the

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government of the country so it's a bit like arguing how many angels

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dance on the head of the pin. White of having a manifesto if you are not

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going to be the government of the country? Let's be realistic, of

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course I could sit here and say, we are in the game to win and indeed we

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are but in reality we are not going to be the government of the country

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on the 9th of June, we want to get a good fold of the election to take us

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to the next stage. But how likely is it you can be the man to achieve

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that, look at the polls he mentioned earlier, the most recent in Wales

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have your personal rating as the laws that anybody has ever had in

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any of these polls. It's low, 1.9 out of ten on average for all

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parties, three out of ten among Ukip voters, ie part of the problem, do

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you think? I'm only leader of the Ukip in the Assembly, I'm not

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seeking to be the leader of the party. You are a leading member of

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the party. I've come into this to do a job, to lead the Ukip group in the

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Assembly because I've got a great deal of political experience as a

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member of Parliament, government minister, and I've been around a

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long time and so I've got certain advantages which I've been able to

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bring to it, to professionalise Ukip in Wales and get is the kind of

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media attention which are scum to enable us to go forward. I don't

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have political ambitions beyond this. Neil Hamilton, thank you for

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your time. -- which are going to enable us.

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