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Good morning from the BBC's brand- new base at Salford, just a few | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
miles from the centre of Manchester where this morning the Conservative | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
Party is waking up, munching its way through toast, tea and | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
newspapers ahead of the last of the major party conferences of the | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
season. But the big issue is of course the economy. Does David | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
Cameron have the policies, does he have the money to turn things | :00:29. | :00:39. | |
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Like so much of Britain, Manchester has changed hugely. All around me | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
there are new studios, hotels, oddly-shaped art galleries. It is | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
very warm - it feels southern European rather than the wet, smoky | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
city we used to know. But underneath the glitz and the | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
shopping mania, Britain's economy is in deep trouble and we don't | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
want a southern European economy. Debating how Britain is going to | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
earn her way in the world is the key question for the Tory | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
Conference which starts today in a vast old railway hall a couple of | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
miles down the canal from here. So, what exactly is David Cameron's | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
recipe for creating jobs and returning the country to growth? | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
What is his latest thinking on Europe? And on the countryside? The | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
Prime Minister joins me live here in Salford later on. Bags of | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
politics, much else in today's papers and this morning Allegra | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
Stratton of the Guardian and Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail will be | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
guiding us through them. Also a rare interview with Jimmy Carter, | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
comparing President Obama's challenges with his own and the | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
double Mercury Award-winner PJ Harvey joins us live. | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
All of that coming up after the news from Louise in London. | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
Thank you. The Conservative Party Conference formally opens in | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
Manchester today with David Cameron pledging he will reinvigorate the | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
right-to-buy scheme for council house tenants established by | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
Margaret Thatcher. Tenant also be allowed to purchase their homes at | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
discounted prices. Unlike the previous scheme a new home will be | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
in future be built for every house that's sold and more unused land | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
owned by the public sector will be made available for building the | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
replacement homes. Let's get more from Ben Wright who joins us now. | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
The pressure on for David Cameron to show he has a plan for the | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
economy. How did the announcements for housing fit in with that? | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
Conservatives have to take on and respond to the criticism that the | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
Government doesn't have any plan for economic growth. It will be | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
arguing it does and that house building will be a key component of | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
that. There is a huge housing shortage now in the UK and so today | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
they are saying they will accelerate, they hope, the right- | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
to-buy scheme that was of course put in place in the '80s and has | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
trailed off over the last few years. They will make it more attractive, | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
they hope, for tenants to buy their council houses and increase house | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
building. That announcement is part of a pack odge of housing-related | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
things that are being part of a package of housing-related things | :03:45. | :03:52. | |
that are being put together as part of a package. It's all part of a | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
package they hope will convince voters they do have a plan for | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
growth after all. What about Theresa May, she is making some | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
outspoken comments about the Human Rights Act. What has she been | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
saying? She has, yes. It's one of those key issues where there is a | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
real divide between the two halves of the coalition. At his conference, | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
Nick Clegg said he would never allow the Human Rights Act to be | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
changed, to be dismantled. Theresa May is saying it is something that | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
she would very much like to see go. She thinks it interferes with her | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
work at the Home Office. A real disagreement there between the two | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
halves of the coalition. It is something that is being reviewed by | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
the Government and they will decide later in the year what to do with | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
the question of human rights. It is one of those statements that will | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
really please Conservatives. They will be pleased what she has said | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
on that. Thank you. The Foreign Office has issued new | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to large stretch | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
pirates and last month a British holiday-maker, David Tebbutt, was | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
killed and his wife Judith was taken captive. | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
A leading charity says there's been a surge in the number of people who | :05:16. | :05:24. | |
can't afford basic foods. FareShare says it is facing an unprecedented | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
demand from families struggling to cope with rising prices. It's seen | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
a 20% increase in the number of requests for help over the last | :05:32. | :05:41. | |
year. Colonel Tim Collins says he intends | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
to stand as one of Britain's new elected police commisioners. He's | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
applied to be selected as a Conservative candidate in Kent next | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
year. The Commissioners will have the power to "hire and fire" Chief | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
Constables, set budgets and determine the four strategic plans. | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
Police have arrested 500 anti-Wall Street protesters in New York for | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
blocking traffic lanes on the Brooklyn Bridge. Traffic on the | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
bridge, which is one of the busiest routes in-and-out of Manhattan, was | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
stopped for several hours while police detained the protesters. | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
That is all from here for now. Back to Andrew in Manchester. | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
Many thanks, Louise. As you may have gathered, there's bags of good | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
stories in the papers today. I'm joined by Allegra Stratton and | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
Andrew Pierce to talk about them. Cameron says sorry to women on the | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
front of The Sunday Times. Sunday Telegraph, axe the Human Rights Act | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
says the Home Secretary. The Mail on Sunday - at last we get a vote | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
on Europe. The Independent on Sunday - top Tory rounds on core | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
support over the greenbelt. He says that what the National Trust is | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
talking about on planning reforms is nonsense. It is slightly more | :07:04. | :07:13. | |
than nonsense if you turn inside. Finally, the Observer. Lots of | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
pictures of people leaping into the sea. Hague snubs Tory right over | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
the right for EU vote. So, in all of that where are we going to | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
start? Europe is the last issue David Cameron will want to see on | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
the front-pages of the newspapers. It is back. It is an issue that has | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
bedevilled every Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher. Good news for | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
the eurosceptics. This is to be a vote in the Commons for the first | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
time and a debate over whether Britain should remain in the | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
European Union. This is one of those public write-ins? The Commons | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
authority are saying we have to have a debate. Hang on. Front-page | :07:57. | :08:06. | |
of the Observer, William Hague, the man who once said in 2001 "12 days | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
to save the pound" - he is saying there will be no referendum on the | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
European Union whatsoever. This will be a hammer blow for | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
eurosceptics. One of the amusing things about William Hague, in a | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
meeting in the Foreign Office he used to start the beginnings and | :08:26. | :08:36. | |
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say, "What does catchy Ashton think about this? -- what does Cathy | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
Ashton think about this?" In this story, you have him saying look at | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
this deal we have signed with Korea. We make a lot of money... He is out | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
of step with his backbenchers. 120 of them attended a meeting and they | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
do want a referendum. It looks like Europe is an issue that is back to | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
haunt Mr Cameron. Next story. we are in not so sunny Salford, we | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
have Europe problems. There is another bank about to go under, we | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
think. In this story, they are suggesting that it could trigger | :09:09. | :09:16. | |
another banking crisis. Which bank? Dexia. I don't think many of us | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
would have heard of it. If it goes under, there is a big problem. In | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
this piece, it is a good reminder of some things that will be | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
preoccupying the top brass here at conference. There is a lovely | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
detail about Greece and concerns that they won't be able to bring | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
forward the bail-out for Greece. Striking Government workers have | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
stopped the IMF from gaining access to the Greek statistics office | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
aiming to draw up a new budget. Andrew? Theresa May. Yes. A lovely | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
picture in the Sunday Telegraph. She's given an interview. This will | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
cheer the Tory Party. She is saying we want to get rid of the Human | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
Rights Act completely. It is loathed on the Tory benches. This | :09:57. | :10:05. | |
is the Act which foreign prisoners use to remain in Britain. She is | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
saying get rid of it. That is not Government policy. It is an | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
incendiary thrown into the coalition. Two weeks' ago, Nick | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
Clegg said, "It ain't going nowhere." I love how he managed to | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
do that! This is classic first morning of conference stuff from | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
the Tory Home Secretary. They will go into the - we now know they will | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
go into the next election saying we don't like the Human Rights Act. | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
She is in charge - there's two problems: Clegg and Ken Clarke, Ken | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
Clarke who Nick Clegg called the sixth Lib Dem, they are in charge | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
of this Commission. The Tories think that is not going anywhere. | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
Theresa May is in charge of another Commission which is likely to find | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
we want to get rid of it. This may be an expression of frustration? | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
is in starker language than we have heard before. She also said... | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
is the Home Secretary. She is. She said in The Sunday Times on | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
immigration she wants to bring in reforms so immigrants who worked in | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
Britain for five years will no longer have an automatic right to | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
settle in Britain. A huge strain on the Health Service, and on schools. | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
We have massive unemployment. That too sounds like she is reaching out | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
to the Tory eurosceptics. Start of a leadership campaign? Well, you | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
heard it here first! David Cameron's apologised to you? Indeed. | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
Well, it is interesting... To all women. Cameron says sorry to women. | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
He does say sorry to women. He felt terrible about the two - there's | :11:44. | :11:53. | |
been two blunders in the Commons now. One where he said about Nadine | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
Dorris, a Tory backbencher. She is frustrated... That was the problem | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
that everybody thought frustrated was a sexual innuendo. Then the | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
other one is that he said to Angela Eagle, a Labour shadow Minister, | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
calm down dear. He felt very bad about this. He has done an | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
interview which is interesting because it's not got any policy in | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
it. It is him saying I did fluff up on this stuff. He is not the kind | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
of bloke - he is not a sexist? lot of people very close to him | :12:31. | :12:38. | |
will say that is a fair reflection. Inside he struggles to say, "Some | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
of my best friends are women." There are no policies. His inner | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
circle is dominated by women. The one politician who might have | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
trouble with him you would have thought would be the Labour Leader, | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Ed Miliband. He hadn't bothered to put his name on his first born's | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
birth certificate. That was a real problem for women. I have heard Ed | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
Miliband go on a Radio Two phone-in and he was lynched by women. It is | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
the thing that comes up at the top of focus groups, him not putting | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
the name on one of his children's birth certificates. Shocking. | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
now Downing Street have been doing all sorts of work on the problems | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
with female voters and the Conservatives and their | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
haemorrhaging of C-Two voters. What is interesting... This is not just | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
a personal thing, this is political positioning? It is a unique mixture | :13:31. | :13:39. | |
of the two. I don't want to be too glib, but they did find �250 | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
million for Eric Pickles' bin collections... A very important | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
policy(!) It is. It's interesting that they don't feel the need. | :13:48. | :13:55. | |
Maybe he will in his speech. To do something on the childcare tax | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
credits... Andrew. John Prescott gaffeed when he said the greenbelt | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
is a Labour policy and we intend to build on it. Well, Francis paud in | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
the Independent on Sunday has -- Francis Maude in the Independent on | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
Sunday has said to the people who are opponents they are talking and | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
because it is a Sunday morning he uses a word beginning with "b" and | :14:23. | :14:33. | |
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there is a "k" in it and an "s". It is Tory activists... It is bril | :14:34. | :14:41. | |
Bryson. -- it is Bill Bryson. take on Bill Bryson. Now the Prime | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
Minister is announcing they want to get more building done on brown | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
field sites. If he repeats that statement in the Conference Centre | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
this week, he will be jeered. see, the thing is, it is so | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
interesting because they are absolutely in private so zealous | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
about this stuff. They think one of the problems with the growth and | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
the lack of it is that people... I don't know they will necessarily | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
give masses of ground. They really do feel it's... There's a U-turn | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
coming up. There's three-quarters of a million homes that are empty | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
in Britain. Another story? OK. This is a good story on the front of the | :15:22. | :15:32. | |
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Sunday Telegraph. It is Tim Collins. He delivered that speech before the | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
war in Iraq. There was one line where he said there are some of you | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
alive now who will not be alive tomorrow. He is now standing to | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
become one of these Police Commissioners which is one of those | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
policies which has been battling through Parliament which will now | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
mean in November next year we will all vote on who we want to become a | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
police commissioner in our area. You would rather have Tim Collins | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
than a clapped-out councillor, with you? For he wants special | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
constables in villages to have powers of arrest which is something | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
the government is looking at. It is not a vigilante proposal but it is | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
quite a muscular policing vision he sets out. It is interesting because | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
what they are worried about is the calibre of people who come forward | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
to the Police Commissioners. have time for one-storey each now. | :16:32. | :16:40. | |
Which one? I am a Strictly Come Dancing man, not an X Factor man. | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
Edwina Currie dancing last night. I went to watch Ann Widdecombe last | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
year. She got the same mark as Ann Widdecombe last year and Ann | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
Widdecombe got the lowest marks in the history of Strictly Come | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
Dancing so I suspect Edwina Currie will not be as popular with the | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
viewers as Ann Widdecombe who danced frankly like I have a lump. | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
For those of you with the children at school, we are going to have a | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
new head of Ofsted. It is a guy who said his hero is Clint Eastwood. He | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
is Michael Gove's favourite head teacher. I don't think we can | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
finish without mentioning Alastair Campbell because it is a wonderful | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
story. Is the on the bagpipes again? When he was busy working for | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
the government he didn't have time to state his other passion which is | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
blowing the bagpipes and now there is a programme for him to train up | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
and play the bagpipes with Bob Dylan. Alastair Campbell and Bob | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
Dylan are blowing in the wind together. The mind boggles! Thank | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
you both for now. It was Caribbean where there when I | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
arrived yesterday. Almost everyone was walking around stark naked. | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
Well, not really naked! What is to come across the rest of the | :18:07. | :18:17. | |
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Hello. It is all changed with the weather. A top temperature of 29.9 | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
degrees yesterday, making it the warmest October on record. We see | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
clouds invading the North today brimming cloud to Manchester and up | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
to Newcastle as well. For Northern England and Wales it is cooler than | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
yesterday. For western areas of Scotland, these guys Brighton later | :18:40. | :18:50. | |
on. The rain in northern England using later. Bright skies in | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
Lincolnshire but through much of England, a beautiful afternoon. | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
Temperatures mid- to high twenties. If it is too hot inland, by the | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
coast it will be cooler and fresher. Sunny skies dominate through | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
central and southern Wales. In the north, cooler, cloudier with | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
outbreaks of rain. Sky is looking brighter across Northern Ireland. | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
By Monday, looking more unsettled in the north, sticking with the | :19:20. | :19:30. | |
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sunshine in the south but it is not Since leaving the White House in | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
1981, Jimmy Carter has been the most internationally active ex- | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
president in American history. He founded the Carter Center in | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
Atlanta and has been awarded the Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter is | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
considered by many to have been a less than successful President | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
during a time when the US economy and the Iran hostage crisis | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
bedevilled his administration. At 87, President Carter is as busy as | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
ever and he will be appearing at the South Bank Centre in London | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
later this week. I met him and he told me that his continuing | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
involvement in the Middle East and why his country's role has changed | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
there since the Arab Spring. believe in my lifetime, United | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
States has the lowest level of influence in the Middle East peace | :20:18. | :20:24. | |
process than ever before, both within Israel and also within the | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
Palestinian area and the general Arab world. There is a vacuum there | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
which is very unfortunate. I think it has brought to a crisis an issue | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
which has been dormant or going backwards and forwards but no | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
progress made it all within the last three decades. Palestinians | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
are frustrated with two promises President Obama made. One was no | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
more settlements, the other was negotiations based on the 1967 | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
borders with modifications. We have failed to carry through both those | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
promises. In the absence of any progress, the Palestinians have | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
taken their case to the United Nations, both to the Security | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
Council and the General Assembly. The Carter Center which you found | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
it has been doing Nobel prize- winning work for decades. Do you | :21:16. | :21:22. | |
see it as a model for other former President's and ex-leader has? | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
think each one of us presidents and leaders in Europe are different. I | :21:27. | :21:34. | |
decided to go my own way. We deal with troubled elections, we have | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
done more than 80 of them. The next one next month will be in Tunisia | :21:41. | :21:48. | |
to monitor that process. We also deal with peace negotiations like | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
in a Middle East while -- where we tried to maintain contact with all | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
the entity is involved. Our number one commitment as far as resources | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
are concerned, both human resources and our budget, is the alleviation | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
of suffering from diseases, primarily in Africa. During your | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
presidency, you face a huge economic crisis, very different to | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
the one facing President Obama now. Nevertheless, what would your | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
advice be to him? It was a different situation. We had | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
basically a balanced budget. It was not an ingrained basic problem that | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
we are facing now both in Europe and the United States where | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
governments have overspent and developed enormous debt and cannot | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
meet their current obligations and are having to depend on stronger | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
nations to support the others. I believe President Obama understand | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
the question better than I do and I think his latest proposal on job | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
increase based on 50 billion dollar expenditure would be a very good | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
investment. Like President Obama, when you were elected, you were the | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
sort of face of optimism and hope for change. Do you think that the | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
way to the expectation was simply too great, both on his shoulders | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
and on yours? I had a very harmonious and undivided nation and | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
also an undivided Congress compared to what Obama has inherited. I had | :23:20. | :23:27. | |
a great advantage over President Obama. He has a completely | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
different challenge in his own administration because the | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
Republicans have pledged not to give him any support on any issue, | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
even on things which they themselves proposed previously, in | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
order to prevent him being re- elected. I did not have that | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
problem when I was in the White House. What would you see as your | :23:45. | :23:53. | |
legacy? I think my legacy has been perpetuated, whatever it might be, | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
between the presidency and the Carter Center. My commitment to | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
peace instead of constant wars, during my term of office we had | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
many challenges from the Soviet Union and other sources. But we had | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
peace as a priority and we maintained peace in our own country | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
and brought it to other people as well. Also the insistence on the | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
application of human rights as the foundation for democracy and | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
freedom. For instance, in Latin America, during my term in office, | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
when I took office, the vast majority of Latin American | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
countries were military dictatorships. Within five years, | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
after I left office, all of them had become democracies because we | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
insisted on the right of people to establish governments. I would say | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
democracy and freedom on the one hand and human rights on the other | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
along with peas. President Carter, thank you very much indeed for | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
joining us. His life and career at the South | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
Bank Centre on Monday. When he told his mother he was thinking of | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
running, she said, that's nice, dear, President of what? I'm sure | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
my next guest did not get that reaction. David Cameron, welcome. | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
You what apologising to women? I hadst -- I said some things in | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
the House of Commons which came out wrong and I deeply regret that. I | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
was asked about it in an interview with the Sunday Times and I said | :25:23. | :25:30. | |
what I think. So, you are a new man? Women can relax. You are | :25:30. | :25:38. | |
modern. This is not an excuse, it is an explanation. Prime Minister's | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
Questions is very aggressive and controversial -- confrontational. I | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
do not think you can change that. That is not what I'm like, it is | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
not who I am and I wanted to try and put that right but I recognise | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
I must do better. What about some of the policies towards women? | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
There has been an argument About Women's pensions and they're all | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
sorts of issues, child benefit and so on. Are you confident that women | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
voters are not supported as others? There is a deeper underlying issue. | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
Britain faces a very difficult time now as countries right across the | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
world do. Families in Britain see petrol prices going up, food prices | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
going up, electricity increasing. Many people who work in the public | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
sector have had a pay freeze. At the heart of families are women | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
worrying desperately about the family budget. This government has | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
to do difficult things. I profoundly believe we are taking | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
difficult decisions to get the country to better times ahead but | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
we have to explain really carefully why we are doing what we are doing. | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
I think that has had an impact on families and many women and that | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
causes great concern. I understand that. We have to explain why it is | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
necessary. Let's talk about the economy. There is news of another | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
bank in trouble in the south of Europe. Very -- people are very | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
worried that the euro. How bad to think things will get in the year | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
ahead? Clearly, there is a problem in the eurozone and we have to deal | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
with that problem. I think the outlines of what needs to be done | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
are becoming clearer all the time. The British government has a clear | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
view. We are pushing with partners in Europe, with the IMF and others | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
with what needs to be done. Strengthening of the financial | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
mechanisms in Europe, greater involvement with the IMF, facing up | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
to the problems and dealing with them decisively. This is what needs | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
to happen. Frankly, the eurozone is a threat not just to itself but | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
also a threat to the British economy and the worldwide economy | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
so we have to deal with this. you agree with George Osborne but | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
effectively there has to be a single European economy with a | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
single tax system, a single fiscal system, you cannot have a currency | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
without the rest of it? The problem with the eurozone, the logic of | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
having a single currency is it leads you in that direction. I've | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
always wanted to stay outside the single currency. We are not going | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
to go into the eurozone. I think it is more urgent. Action needs to be | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
taken in the next coming weeks to strength in Europe's banks, to | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
build the defences that the eurozone has, to deal with the | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
problems of debt decisively. They have got to do that now, to get | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
ahead of the market now, irrespective of the changes that | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
the re-sown might choose to make in the future about having a more | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
single economic ordination which I suspect they will need. There are | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
more urgent steps which have to be taken more quickly. What happens to | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
us if the eurozone breaks up? would be very bad. One of the | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
reasons why we want the eurozone to deal with its problems is the facts | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
for Britain are pretty clear. 50 % of our exports go to other European | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
countries. 40 % go to the eurozone. If bad things happen in the | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
eurozone, that affects us. They cannot assure ourselves against the | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
fact that right now the German and French economies, the two biggest | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
economies in Europe have stalled. That is a big problem for us. We | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
want them to deal with the issues and problems. Let me be clear. I | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
will always defend the British national interest. I think our | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
interest is to be in the European because we need that single market. | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
We are a trading nation, it is vital for our economic future. I | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
have always made clear that we have given to many powers to Europe and | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
there are some powers I would like back from Europe. Then maybe future | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
opportunities to bring that about. The problem for Europe right now is | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
dealing with the resent problem. That is where all our energies | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
should go because we should solve this problem in order to get the | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
world economy to grow again. would like to see the repatriation | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
of powers from the EU? Yes, that was in our manifesto. When the | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
House of Commons votes, as it now will, on a referendum on Europe, | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
you will be voting for a referendum? The issue of a | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
referendum is not our view that they should be an in out referendum. | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
I do not want Britain to leave the European Union. I think it is the | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
wrong answer for Britain. What most people want in this country is not | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
actually teach -- to leave the European Union but to reform the | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
European Union and make sure the balance of powers between Britain | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
and Europe is better. That is what people want. It is perfectly | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
possible that the Commons could decide to vote on the idea of a | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
referendum on the repatriation of powers and going back to the kind | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
of trade association that we used to have with Europe, not a symbol - | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
a simple in or out, that to you would be in favour of? The whole | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
reasons the House of Commons is able to have a vote because of a | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
bold reform this government made which is to let the House of | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
Commons have more power over its timetable, the ability to debate | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
and discuss subjects. Let's see what subject they choose. Let's see | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
what question is put down. This is what Parliament ought to give. Let | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
me just say once again, it is the government's priority right now, | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
sort out the eurozone, get the European economy is growing again, | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
let's get the single market working properly because there are huge | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
things we could do in Europe to help promote growth in Britain. Get | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
a single market in energy, finish the single market in services, open | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
up European markets, make sure we stop the costs which are being | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
piled on British businesses, let's stop all of that. I am not a | :31:38. | :31:48. | |
This year, we have got France, Germany, Britain saying let's | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
freeze the European budget. We have managed to get Britain out of the | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
euro bail-out mechanism. That is a treaty that is going through Europe | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
right now that gets Britain out of the bail-out mechanism that Labour | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
got us into. OK. I do think we can do better. At this moment, it is | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
very likely that there will have to be some kind of treaty | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
renegotiation and the revised treaty, the Germans and the French | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
have been talking about a new shape to the European economic system. | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
That is an opportunity for there to be a renegotiation of this | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
country's relationship with Europe and possibly a referendum - well | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
certainly? You are getting ahead of things. The eurozone issue is the | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
urgent priority. Second point: There is a European Treaty that's | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
happening right now. This is the Treaty that gets us out of the | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
bail-out mechanism that Labour got us into. The prospect for further | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
future treaty change is not an immediate prospect. We have to make | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
sure we sort out the eurozone issue. All right. In terms of... For the | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
longer term, I have been very clear - I think we gave too much power to | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
Europe. There are some powers I would like to get back. Right. | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
Right now, that is not on the immediate agenda. I don't think I | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
could be any clearer. All right. You would relish the opportunity of | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
a treaty change which allowed you to renegotiate our relationship | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
with Europe and have a referendum in this country? I wouldn't put it | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
like that. Why not? I would relish for European leaders to roll up | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
their sleeves, get the single market working, sort out the | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
eurozone, get our economies trading, working and growing. People in | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
rooms up-and-down Britain aren't thinking gosh, if we could only | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
have a treaty change in Europe? They are thinking let's get the | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
economy moving. That is what this conference is about. OK. Let's get | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
on to this. It seems to me there are three possible ways of getting | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
the economy moving. You could cut taxes. You are not going to do that, | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
are you, in this Parliament? What we are not going to do is put at | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
risk the very clear plan we have in place to deal with our debts and | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
our deficit which is absolutely vital to give people confidence | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
that the Government is going to get this economy under control. Which | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
means you can't cut taxes? can't suddenly tear up your | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
borrowing plans and your debt plans because it is those plans that give | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
us the low interest rates that are key for economic recovery. You know, | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
elsewhere in Europe, those countries that don't have a plan, | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
they see their interest rates going up 5-7%. That would be devastating. | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
I understand the argument. So you don't deviate, you can't cut taxes, | :34:33. | :34:40. | |
you won't slash taxes. We have... The next thing... We have cut | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
corporation tax. We have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
coming anywhere in the advanced world. Overall, you could spend | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
lots more money and you are not going to do that. There are some | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
infrastructure projects which are going ahead, highly controversially | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
the fast railway line between London and Birmingham. Again you | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
can't spend huge amounts of money. You can't do an old-fashioned job | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
creation system? You can make sure you are spending money on | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
productive things. This Government is spending more on capital | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
projects than the last Government. You can protect the science budget. | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
You shouldn't put at risk the overall picture of getting the | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
debts and the deficit under control. Those people who argue a few more | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
billion now would make all the difference, I would make this | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
point: Over the next four years, we are going to be spending over �3 | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
trillion, the Government, into the economy. Is it really a good risk | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
to spend a few more billion now and potentially put at risk the low | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
interest rates that are so key to your economic revival? I do | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
understand. I do understand that. If it is not going to be done | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
through those traditional ways - you could potentially print your | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
way out of trouble, use inflation to help a bit. That seems to be | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
going on with the Bank of England at the moment. You are missing the | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
two... I'm working through them. Let me explain. Line one is deal | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
with the deficit. Essential for low interest rates. Line two is do all | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
the things to make it easier for businesses to start up, for | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
businesses to grow, for business to employ people, to expand and to | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
invest. So we are dealing with the employment regulations. We are | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
cutting corporate tax. We are dealing with business rates. We are | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
reforming the planning system. Yet... All of these things, overall | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
since the election there are 500,000 new private sector jobs. | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
The economy is rebalancing between more private sector jobs and having | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
to deal with excessive spending in the public sector. It takes time | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
and it is difficult. That is the key to a growth strategy, is are | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
you making it easier for business to expand, to grow, to invest? We | :36:52. | :37:01. | |
are. You know that we are at a very dangerous moment. The world economy | :37:01. | :37:09. | |
is in terrible trouble. Andrew Tyrie, senior Conservative, | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
chairman of the Treasury Select Committee says your growth strategy | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
is inconsistent and it needs to be pulled up several notches? First of | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
all, let me take the export point. If you look at our exports to China, | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
they are up 40%. We are seeing some export-led growth. Take one | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
industry that I have spent some time with in the last year which is | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
the motor industry. If you look at Jaguar Land Rover, massive | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
expansion. Look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota. We are a massive exporter | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
of cars and car engines. That industry is bringing more of its | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
supply chain onshore. Let me answer the question about Andrew Tyrie... | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
Do you need to re-engineer a growth strategy? We need to do everything | :37:52. | :37:59. | |
we can to set the fires under the engines - that's bad - we need to | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
do everything we can to fire up the engine of the British economy. | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
There's a step-change taking place right now. You can see the housing | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
market. The housing market isn't working. Why isn't it? Because of | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
the debt crisis. The banks are bunged up with debt so the banks | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
aren't lending, the builders aren't building and the buyers can't buy. | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
This Government isn't just sitting back, we are saying right, we are | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
going to make over Government land to housebuilders on the basis they | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
can build now and pay for the land when they sell the homes. That | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
could build 100,000 homes, 200,000 jobs in our economy. We are not | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
stopping there. We are saying let's bring back the right to buy your | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
council house. Let's use that money as young people choose to buy their | :38:46. | :38:54. | |
council home, let's use that money to build homes... There aren't that | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
many council homes left. There are... That's not the case. There | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
are over two million homes that are still available to be bought. So | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
this is something that will make a big difference. That could provide | :39:07. | :39:14. | |
another 100,000 homes, another 200,000 jobs. That could be 200,000 | :39:14. | :39:24. | |
:39:24. | :39:25. | ||
extra homes, 400,000 extra jobs. Your enthusiasm for more homes has | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
put the Government into confrontation with organisations | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
like the campaign for the protection of rural England and | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
National Trust who are very worried about the new national planning | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
guidelines for England which they say is going to destroy the green | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
England that you grew up with? Well, I represent a constituency in | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
Oxfordshire, the gateway to the Cotswolds, with the most incredible | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
countryside, beautiful forests and paths. I would no more put that at | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
risk than I put my own family at risk. I love our countryside. | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
Everybody knows we have a planning system that is incredibly | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
bureaucratic, incredibly complicated and house building | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
right now, it has increased from Labour's low levels. Under Labour | :40:10. | :40:16. | |
it reached the lowest level since 1924. The average age of a first- | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
time buyer is now 37. We have got to do more to get the homes built | :40:20. | :40:29. | |
that we need for young people in our country. We can do that without | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
jeopardising the greenbelt. Let me ask you something specific about | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
that. We read that in the national plan - and everyone understands | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
it's been far too bureaucratic, the system, in the past. Under the new | :40:41. | :40:48. | |
system, there is going to be no limit on where advertisements can | :40:48. | :40:57. | |
be placed. Anywhere you will be able to stick up those in fields | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
and people will look at this and say it is going to be like the | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
worst parts of the United States, some of the worst parts of the | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
Third World? I don't accept that. Is that wrong? That is wrong. We | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
are slimming down the national guidelines. Some people assume if | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
you don't mention something in a national guideline, that means | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
local authorities won't be able to stop unsightly developments. That | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
is nonsense. We need to trust local authorities more. If we stand back | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
from this - I put it like this. Why is it people tend not to support | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
development? Frankly, I don't blame them. Local communities don't get | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
much benefit from new development. Under our new plans, if the factory | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
goes ahead, you keep the business rates, you can spend the money. If | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
new homes go ahead in your area, you will get the new homes bonus. | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
You can spend that money. What we need to do is create a system where | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
local people see the benefits and the disbenefits of planning and | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
housing and factories and jobs going ahead. That will be a more | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
rational system. And yet as the result of this change, there is | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
going to be a great deal more housing in rural England? Well, | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
if... That's true, isn't it? Take my constituency. Beautiful villages, | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
beautiful countryside. In the last five years, we built an extra 3,000 | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
houses. I don't accept that local politicians don't want extra | :42:24. | :42:31. | |
housing. They do. Politicians may, I'm talking about residents? | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
Villagers, if they were able to be in control of having a few extra | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
homes, they know that would be good for the local pub and the local | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
village school. It is our job to listen to concerns. If there are | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
concerns that need reflecting, we will reflect them. The point is | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
this: Under the existing planning system, the local village and the | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
town fears the arrival of the new extra housing estates, plonked on | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
its margins. If you give locals more control over what sort of | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
houses, we can have a more rational debate about planning and we can | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
see our villages become places of life with a future for the village | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
school, the pub and the Post Office rather than a slow death. The Home | :43:17. | :43:24. | |
Secretary wants to see the end of the Human Rights Act. It gets in | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
her way. We have heard the stories of suspected terrorists who can't | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
be removed from this country. Do you agree? It would be good to | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
replace it with a British Bill of Rights. We have a very clear | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
agreement in the coalition to set up a commission to look at the idea | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
of a British Bill of Rights but it will go more slowly than Theresa | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
May or I would want. Are we going to sit back and go tough? No. | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
are you going to do? One of the problems we have here is not just | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
the Human Rights Act. It's the sort of chilling culture under it that | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
means that someone drives a police van, you know, an hour to move a | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
prisoner 200 yards when he was happy to walk. The Human Rights Act | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
doesn't say that is what you have to do. It is the chilling effect of | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
people thinking I will be found guilty under it. The Government can | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
do a huge amount to communicate to institutions and individuals let's | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
have some commonsense and judgment, let's have that applying rather | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
than this overinterpretation of what is there. Point two: Part of | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
this comes from judgments in the European Court of Justice. We are | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
now going to be chairing the Council of Europe, we have an | :44:40. | :44:48. | |
opportunity with others to try and change the way the European | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
Convention on Human Rights works. Would I like to go further and | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
faster? Yes, I have said so. If the Conservatives had their way, if you | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
were governing by yourself, you would get rid of the Human Rights | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
Act and replace it with the British Bill of Rights? Yes. Which leads us | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
on to relations with the other side of the coalition. Lots of rude | :45:08. | :45:15. | |
things were said last week about the Conservatives, Tim Farron... | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
That was two weeks' ago. There were a lot of rude things said last week | :45:19. | :45:29. | |
:45:29. | :45:31. | ||
Tim Farron talked about it was a ghastly thing this coalition, bound | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
to end in divorce and so on, and yet, clearly, there are Liberal | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
Democrats with him you personally get on quite well and I wonder | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
whether if you did win an election in your own right with an absolute | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
majority, you would push them all out or would you have some of those | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
people still working with you? First of all, I am focused on the | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
here and now, delivering this government's agenda. At the time of | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
great economic uncertainty and difficulty, it is good that Britain | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
has a strong and stable government and a government which is clearly | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
in place until that election in 2015. I think that is an important | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
thing. I pay tribute to the fact that Conservatives and Liberal | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
Democrats have had to put some of their difficulties aside and in the | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
national interest have come together to deliver the long term | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
change the country needs. Of course there are tensions and pressures | :46:24. | :46:32. | |
but why -- I think we are grown-up enough to deal with those. At the | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
next election we will fight as independent parties. We will be | :46:35. | :46:42. | |
fighting to win and whatever happens, happens. What kind of | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
Conservative are you? There has been a lot of debate in the | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
newspapers. Are you really still a Thatcherite, core Conservative, | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
restrained and held back by a coalition or are you naturally a | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
cuddly conservative, a centrist Conservative who enjoy his | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
coalition? I would describe myself as a modern, compassionate | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
conservative. Modern because we have to apply ourselves to the | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
challenges of today. If it is no good looking back to the past. | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
Compassionate, because we must not leave people behind in our country. | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
I think our deficit reduction plan as fair. The richest pay the most. | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
Are trying to protect families on low incomes. I am a Conservative | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
because I believe if you give people more power and control of | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
their lives, they will make great decisions. I do not believe this | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
government is only held back by the cuddly Liberal Democrats. The | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
decision to increase spending on the NHS throughout this Parliament, | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
that was not a liberal or a Labour policy, that was a Conservative | :47:45. | :47:51. | |
policy. Does it frustrate you that the Liberal Democrats take credit | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
for the popular policies? No, it is our job to talk to our party is | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
about what we are achieving coalition. I think the | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
Conservatives can be very proud of the fact that we have frozen the | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
council tax, we have cut corporation tax, we are setting up | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
free schools and academies across the country, we are bringing in | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
reforms which the country needs. There are lots of things the | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
Liberal Democrats can be proud of. The success of one does not have to | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
be at the disadvantage of the other. But there will be a divorce | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
eventually? We are not married! have not signed the papers. | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
happily married but to my wife and not to Nick Clegg! It is not a | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
marriage. It does not end in divorce. It is a coalition where | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
two parties have put aside some of their own interests for the good of | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
the country. We going to the next election a separate parties and I | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
want to win outright a Conservative term. I think we can do even more | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
great things for our country if we achieve that. In the meantime, I | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
have a massive job of work to did. An economy which needs growth. A | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
society which needs strengthening. There is a must for us to do over | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
this five-year term. We started off by talking about the economy and | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
that is a key issue. Vince Cable talked about it being like a war | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
situation. As serious as that. This is a wartime coalition government | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
but it is a wartime coalition government facing economic war, not | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
physical war. There are elements of truth in that. The last time had a | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
coalition government was in wartime. One of the benefits of coalition is | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
you put aside some of your immediate interests to achieve | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
long-term good. You asking country did come behind what the government | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
is doing at a difficult time. The fact that two parties are making | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
defensive decisions and you have one completely outside of that | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
consensus and very backward-looking as we saw last big at their | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
conference, the fact that two parties are making these arguments | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
is helpful at the time of economic difficulty. I sometimes get the | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
impression that going around shopping centres, although there is | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
a lot of talk in places like this about tough times and the economy | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
is in trouble, out there a lot of people have not noticed and are | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
still spending. I don't sense that. I think up-and-down the country, a | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
big one of the biggest shock to people has been the electricity | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
increase at and the gas increases. Put that on top of the family shop | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
and what is happening at the petrol pumps. The wage freeze is necessary. | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
I think a lot of people understand that but those things combined are | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
making life difficult for people. Democracy is government by | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
explanation. We have got to explain all of the time why it is necessary | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
and how we will help people. have always been an optimist but | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
things are bound to get worse before they get better, aren't | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
they? Things are difficult but we have to explain to people what we | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
are trying to build at the end of it. Yesterday I went to this | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
hospital in Warwick and there was a really friendly old guy who was | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
lying in bed, he had hurt his back and he was telling me how proud he | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
was that he had three sons. One worked for Rolls-Royce making the | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
best engines in the world, the other was at Jaguar Land Rover and | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
the third was at Shell. He said I feel my boys are Building Britain's | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
industrial future. I thought what a wonderful way of putting that. We | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
are going to build an economy that is worthwhile, not just worth | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
something but really worthwhile. How with this country going to earn | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
its way in the world? Industry, not simply financial engineering is the | :51:41. | :51:47. | |
answer? Of course. We are brilliant end genius -- inventors in this | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
country. We invented the jet engine, DNA and the World Wide Web. We have | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
got the great universities but we have not had the technical centres | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
and apprenticeships, all of those things which we are now putting in | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
place. There is something better at the end of it. A big agenda and a | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
big vision. Prime Minister, thank you. Over to Louise in London. | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
The Prime Minister has insisted the government is not just sitting back | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
in face of faltering economic growth. He told this programme that | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
building up to 200,000 new houses would be a crucial element of the | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
government's growth strategy. He called for a rational debate about | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
planning same building more homes in the countryside could revitalise | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
villages and rural businesses. A leading charity says there has | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
been a surge in the number of people who cannot afford basic | :52:37. | :52:42. | |
foods. Fair share, who distributes surplus food from supermarkets and | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
manufacturers, says it is facing an unprecedented demand from families. | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
It has seen an increase in the number of requests for help over | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
the last year. The Foreign Office has issued new | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to a large stretch | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
pirates and last month, British holidaymakers David Tebbutt was | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
killed and his wife, Judith, was taken captive. | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
The next news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew and a moment | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
but first, look at what is coming up after this programme. Today on | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
Sunday Morning Live, David Cameron has said the rich should pay the | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
most to help us out of trouble so is it time for the rich to pay more | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
tax? The leader of the Christian party says we are in danger of | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
treating Christians the way the Nazis treated the Jews. And Colin | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
wild animals, is it inhumane? Join us at 10 o'clock. | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
The Prime Minister is still with me as his Andrew Pierce of the Daily | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
Mail and also Polly Harvey, PJ Harvey, who will be singing for us | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
and won her second that you Music Prize recently. Polly, this is the | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
tradition of the singer-songwriter taking a big political subject, in | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
this case Britain and war and making music so it is going right | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
back to the 60s in some respects? In some respects you could say that. | :54:09. | :54:15. | |
I think the early 60s was the last time that political agenda through | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
music was at the forefront. It hasn't been for many years, or if | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
it has been going on, it has not had a platform with which to be | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
heard. That is largely the case. I feel very hopeful, very optimistic | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
that an album like mine was chosen at this particular point in time. | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
David Cameron will certainly enjoyed the first line of the song | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
you're going to sing for us, God damn Europeans, it starts! You | :54:41. | :54:48. | |
listen to some Morrissey and stuff. Samantha bought PJ Harvey's album | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
from ITN's having seen you win the prize. It was great to do that | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
twice. We have listened to it a couple of times. Very keen. The | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
only war film I have not seen, Hamburger Hill, about Vietnam, the | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
juxtaposition of the music and the scenes and that film are incredibly | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
powerful. I will have to listen to the lyrics. Do you think they are | :55:13. | :55:20. | |
doing all right on culture? I have to say that the county in which I | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
had my cultural education in Somerset has had 100 % cut to arts | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
funding and I worry that the cuts are largely being made in that area. | :55:31. | :55:37. | |
And the whole world seems to be being steered towards economic gain | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
as being the only goal of worth. will pick that up with the Prime | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
Minister in a moment but you had better get yourself ready and get | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
your guitar ready. Thank you. There is a point, we talk about | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
economics all the time but we have got a great cultural background and | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
musical heritage. We are sitting in a building, I'm not just saying | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
this because I am at the BBC, the BBC have put a huge amount of money | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
building a creative hub. We have ITV here as well. The lottery can | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
do a great amount to promote this. What did you make about the | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
interview? Very good because you would expect that from the Prime | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
Minister. You did say it was your job to listen to objectors and | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
people who object to the planning laws, Francis Maude has given an | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
interview where he says opponents are talking nonsense and he used a | :56:32. | :56:38. | |
far more descriptive term. Do you agree with him? There are some | :56:38. | :56:44. | |
scares around there. Partly, a few slimmed-down national guidelines, | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
you are leaving more to local authorities. That does not mean | :56:47. | :56:53. | |
they will build houses on ancient woodland. There is some trust there. | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
You are going to take my job! That is all we have got time for. Thank | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
you to the Prime Minister and all my guests. Next week, we will be | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
back in the studio in London at the later time of 10 past nine. Now we | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
leave you with PJ Harvey and a song from her latest album, The Last | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
:57:22. | :57:25. | ||
# Goddamn Europeans! # Take me back to beautiful England. | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
# And the grey damp filthiness of ages. | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
# And battered books. # And fog rolling down behind the | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
mountains. # On the graveyards and dead sea- | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
captains. # Let me walk through the stinking | :57:45. | :57:53. | |
alleys. # To the music of drunken beatings. | :57:53. | :58:02. | |
# Past the thames river glistening. # Like gold hastily sold. | :58:02. | :58:12. | |
:58:12. | :58:31. | ||
# Let me watch night fall on the river. | :58:31. | :58:36. |