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Good morning from the BBC's brand- new base at Salford, just a few

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miles from the centre of Manchester where this morning the Conservative

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Party is waking up, munching its way through toast, tea and

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newspapers ahead of the last of the major party conferences of the

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season. But the big issue is of course the economy. Does David

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Cameron have the policies, does he have the money to turn things

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Like so much of Britain, Manchester has changed hugely. All around me

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there are new studios, hotels, oddly-shaped art galleries. It is

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very warm - it feels southern European rather than the wet, smoky

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city we used to know. But underneath the glitz and the

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shopping mania, Britain's economy is in deep trouble and we don't

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want a southern European economy. Debating how Britain is going to

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earn her way in the world is the key question for the Tory

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Conference which starts today in a vast old railway hall a couple of

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miles down the canal from here. So, what exactly is David Cameron's

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recipe for creating jobs and returning the country to growth?

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What is his latest thinking on Europe? And on the countryside? The

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Prime Minister joins me live here in Salford later on. Bags of

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politics, much else in today's papers and this morning Allegra

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Stratton of the Guardian and Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail will be

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guiding us through them. Also a rare interview with Jimmy Carter,

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comparing President Obama's challenges with his own and the

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double Mercury Award-winner PJ Harvey joins us live.

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All of that coming up after the news from Louise in London.

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Thank you. The Conservative Party Conference formally opens in

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Manchester today with David Cameron pledging he will reinvigorate the

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right-to-buy scheme for council house tenants established by

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Margaret Thatcher. Tenant also be allowed to purchase their homes at

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discounted prices. Unlike the previous scheme a new home will be

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in future be built for every house that's sold and more unused land

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owned by the public sector will be made available for building the

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replacement homes. Let's get more from Ben Wright who joins us now.

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The pressure on for David Cameron to show he has a plan for the

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economy. How did the announcements for housing fit in with that?

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Conservatives have to take on and respond to the criticism that the

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Government doesn't have any plan for economic growth. It will be

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arguing it does and that house building will be a key component of

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that. There is a huge housing shortage now in the UK and so today

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they are saying they will accelerate, they hope, the right-

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to-buy scheme that was of course put in place in the '80s and has

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trailed off over the last few years. They will make it more attractive,

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they hope, for tenants to buy their council houses and increase house

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building. That announcement is part of a pack odge of housing-related

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things that are being part of a package of housing-related things

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that are being put together as part of a package. It's all part of a

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package they hope will convince voters they do have a plan for

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growth after all. What about Theresa May, she is making some

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outspoken comments about the Human Rights Act. What has she been

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saying? She has, yes. It's one of those key issues where there is a

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real divide between the two halves of the coalition. At his conference,

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Nick Clegg said he would never allow the Human Rights Act to be

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changed, to be dismantled. Theresa May is saying it is something that

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she would very much like to see go. She thinks it interferes with her

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work at the Home Office. A real disagreement there between the two

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halves of the coalition. It is something that is being reviewed by

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the Government and they will decide later in the year what to do with

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the question of human rights. It is one of those statements that will

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really please Conservatives. They will be pleased what she has said

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on that. Thank you. The Foreign Office has issued new

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advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to large stretch

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of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an

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elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali

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pirates and last month a British holiday-maker, David Tebbutt, was

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killed and his wife Judith was taken captive.

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A leading charity says there's been a surge in the number of people who

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can't afford basic foods. FareShare says it is facing an unprecedented

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demand from families struggling to cope with rising prices. It's seen

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a 20% increase in the number of requests for help over the last

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year. Colonel Tim Collins says he intends

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to stand as one of Britain's new elected police commisioners. He's

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applied to be selected as a Conservative candidate in Kent next

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year. The Commissioners will have the power to "hire and fire" Chief

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Constables, set budgets and determine the four strategic plans.

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Police have arrested 500 anti-Wall Street protesters in New York for

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blocking traffic lanes on the Brooklyn Bridge. Traffic on the

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bridge, which is one of the busiest routes in-and-out of Manhattan, was

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stopped for several hours while police detained the protesters.

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That is all from here for now. Back to Andrew in Manchester.

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Many thanks, Louise. As you may have gathered, there's bags of good

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stories in the papers today. I'm joined by Allegra Stratton and

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Andrew Pierce to talk about them. Cameron says sorry to women on the

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front of The Sunday Times. Sunday Telegraph, axe the Human Rights Act

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says the Home Secretary. The Mail on Sunday - at last we get a vote

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on Europe. The Independent on Sunday - top Tory rounds on core

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support over the greenbelt. He says that what the National Trust is

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talking about on planning reforms is nonsense. It is slightly more

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than nonsense if you turn inside. Finally, the Observer. Lots of

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pictures of people leaping into the sea. Hague snubs Tory right over

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the right for EU vote. So, in all of that where are we going to

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start? Europe is the last issue David Cameron will want to see on

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the front-pages of the newspapers. It is back. It is an issue that has

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bedevilled every Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher. Good news for

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the eurosceptics. This is to be a vote in the Commons for the first

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time and a debate over whether Britain should remain in the

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European Union. This is one of those public write-ins? The Commons

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authority are saying we have to have a debate. Hang on. Front-page

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of the Observer, William Hague, the man who once said in 2001 "12 days

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to save the pound" - he is saying there will be no referendum on the

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European Union whatsoever. This will be a hammer blow for

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eurosceptics. One of the amusing things about William Hague, in a

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meeting in the Foreign Office he used to start the beginnings and

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say, "What does catchy Ashton think about this? -- what does Cathy

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Ashton think about this?" In this story, you have him saying look at

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this deal we have signed with Korea. We make a lot of money... He is out

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of step with his backbenchers. 120 of them attended a meeting and they

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do want a referendum. It looks like Europe is an issue that is back to

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haunt Mr Cameron. Next story. we are in not so sunny Salford, we

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have Europe problems. There is another bank about to go under, we

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think. In this story, they are suggesting that it could trigger

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another banking crisis. Which bank? Dexia. I don't think many of us

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would have heard of it. If it goes under, there is a big problem. In

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this piece, it is a good reminder of some things that will be

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preoccupying the top brass here at conference. There is a lovely

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detail about Greece and concerns that they won't be able to bring

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forward the bail-out for Greece. Striking Government workers have

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stopped the IMF from gaining access to the Greek statistics office

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aiming to draw up a new budget. Andrew? Theresa May. Yes. A lovely

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picture in the Sunday Telegraph. She's given an interview. This will

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cheer the Tory Party. She is saying we want to get rid of the Human

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Rights Act completely. It is loathed on the Tory benches. This

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is the Act which foreign prisoners use to remain in Britain. She is

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saying get rid of it. That is not Government policy. It is an

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incendiary thrown into the coalition. Two weeks' ago, Nick

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Clegg said, "It ain't going nowhere." I love how he managed to

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do that! This is classic first morning of conference stuff from

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the Tory Home Secretary. They will go into the - we now know they will

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go into the next election saying we don't like the Human Rights Act.

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She is in charge - there's two problems: Clegg and Ken Clarke, Ken

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Clarke who Nick Clegg called the sixth Lib Dem, they are in charge

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of this Commission. The Tories think that is not going anywhere.

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Theresa May is in charge of another Commission which is likely to find

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we want to get rid of it. This may be an expression of frustration?

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is in starker language than we have heard before. She also said...

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is the Home Secretary. She is. She said in The Sunday Times on

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immigration she wants to bring in reforms so immigrants who worked in

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Britain for five years will no longer have an automatic right to

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settle in Britain. A huge strain on the Health Service, and on schools.

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We have massive unemployment. That too sounds like she is reaching out

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to the Tory eurosceptics. Start of a leadership campaign? Well, you

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heard it here first! David Cameron's apologised to you? Indeed.

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Well, it is interesting... To all women. Cameron says sorry to women.

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He does say sorry to women. He felt terrible about the two - there's

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been two blunders in the Commons now. One where he said about Nadine

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Dorris, a Tory backbencher. She is frustrated... That was the problem

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that everybody thought frustrated was a sexual innuendo. Then the

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other one is that he said to Angela Eagle, a Labour shadow Minister,

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calm down dear. He felt very bad about this. He has done an

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interview which is interesting because it's not got any policy in

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it. It is him saying I did fluff up on this stuff. He is not the kind

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of bloke - he is not a sexist? lot of people very close to him

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will say that is a fair reflection. Inside he struggles to say, "Some

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of my best friends are women." There are no policies. His inner

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circle is dominated by women. The one politician who might have

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trouble with him you would have thought would be the Labour Leader,

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Ed Miliband. He hadn't bothered to put his name on his first born's

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birth certificate. That was a real problem for women. I have heard Ed

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Miliband go on a Radio Two phone-in and he was lynched by women. It is

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the thing that comes up at the top of focus groups, him not putting

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the name on one of his children's birth certificates. Shocking.

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now Downing Street have been doing all sorts of work on the problems

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with female voters and the Conservatives and their

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haemorrhaging of C-Two voters. What is interesting... This is not just

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a personal thing, this is political positioning? It is a unique mixture

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of the two. I don't want to be too glib, but they did find �250

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million for Eric Pickles' bin collections... A very important

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policy(!) It is. It's interesting that they don't feel the need.

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Maybe he will in his speech. To do something on the childcare tax

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credits... Andrew. John Prescott gaffeed when he said the greenbelt

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is a Labour policy and we intend to build on it. Well, Francis paud in

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the Independent on Sunday has -- Francis Maude in the Independent on

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Sunday has said to the people who are opponents they are talking and

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because it is a Sunday morning he uses a word beginning with "b" and

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there is a "k" in it and an "s". It is Tory activists... It is bril

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Bryson. -- it is Bill Bryson. take on Bill Bryson. Now the Prime

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Minister is announcing they want to get more building done on brown

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field sites. If he repeats that statement in the Conference Centre

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this week, he will be jeered. see, the thing is, it is so

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interesting because they are absolutely in private so zealous

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about this stuff. They think one of the problems with the growth and

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the lack of it is that people... I don't know they will necessarily

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give masses of ground. They really do feel it's... There's a U-turn

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coming up. There's three-quarters of a million homes that are empty

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in Britain. Another story? OK. This is a good story on the front of the

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Sunday Telegraph. It is Tim Collins. He delivered that speech before the

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war in Iraq. There was one line where he said there are some of you

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alive now who will not be alive tomorrow. He is now standing to

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become one of these Police Commissioners which is one of those

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policies which has been battling through Parliament which will now

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mean in November next year we will all vote on who we want to become a

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police commissioner in our area. You would rather have Tim Collins

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than a clapped-out councillor, with you? For he wants special

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constables in villages to have powers of arrest which is something

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the government is looking at. It is not a vigilante proposal but it is

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quite a muscular policing vision he sets out. It is interesting because

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what they are worried about is the calibre of people who come forward

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to the Police Commissioners. have time for one-storey each now.

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Which one? I am a Strictly Come Dancing man, not an X Factor man.

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Edwina Currie dancing last night. I went to watch Ann Widdecombe last

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year. She got the same mark as Ann Widdecombe last year and Ann

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Widdecombe got the lowest marks in the history of Strictly Come

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Dancing so I suspect Edwina Currie will not be as popular with the

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viewers as Ann Widdecombe who danced frankly like I have a lump.

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For those of you with the children at school, we are going to have a

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new head of Ofsted. It is a guy who said his hero is Clint Eastwood. He

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is Michael Gove's favourite head teacher. I don't think we can

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finish without mentioning Alastair Campbell because it is a wonderful

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story. Is the on the bagpipes again? When he was busy working for

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the government he didn't have time to state his other passion which is

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blowing the bagpipes and now there is a programme for him to train up

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and play the bagpipes with Bob Dylan. Alastair Campbell and Bob

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Dylan are blowing in the wind together. The mind boggles! Thank

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you both for now. It was Caribbean where there when I

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arrived yesterday. Almost everyone was walking around stark naked.

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Well, not really naked! What is to come across the rest of the

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Hello. It is all changed with the weather. A top temperature of 29.9

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degrees yesterday, making it the warmest October on record. We see

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clouds invading the North today brimming cloud to Manchester and up

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to Newcastle as well. For Northern England and Wales it is cooler than

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yesterday. For western areas of Scotland, these guys Brighton later

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on. The rain in northern England using later. Bright skies in

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Lincolnshire but through much of England, a beautiful afternoon.

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Temperatures mid- to high twenties. If it is too hot inland, by the

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coast it will be cooler and fresher. Sunny skies dominate through

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central and southern Wales. In the north, cooler, cloudier with

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outbreaks of rain. Sky is looking brighter across Northern Ireland.

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By Monday, looking more unsettled in the north, sticking with the

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sunshine in the south but it is not Since leaving the White House in

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1981, Jimmy Carter has been the most internationally active ex-

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president in American history. He founded the Carter Center in

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Atlanta and has been awarded the Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter is

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considered by many to have been a less than successful President

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during a time when the US economy and the Iran hostage crisis

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bedevilled his administration. At 87, President Carter is as busy as

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ever and he will be appearing at the South Bank Centre in London

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later this week. I met him and he told me that his continuing

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involvement in the Middle East and why his country's role has changed

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there since the Arab Spring. believe in my lifetime, United

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States has the lowest level of influence in the Middle East peace

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process than ever before, both within Israel and also within the

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Palestinian area and the general Arab world. There is a vacuum there

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which is very unfortunate. I think it has brought to a crisis an issue

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which has been dormant or going backwards and forwards but no

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progress made it all within the last three decades. Palestinians

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are frustrated with two promises President Obama made. One was no

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more settlements, the other was negotiations based on the 1967

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borders with modifications. We have failed to carry through both those

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promises. In the absence of any progress, the Palestinians have

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taken their case to the United Nations, both to the Security

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Council and the General Assembly. The Carter Center which you found

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it has been doing Nobel prize- winning work for decades. Do you

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see it as a model for other former President's and ex-leader has?

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think each one of us presidents and leaders in Europe are different. I

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decided to go my own way. We deal with troubled elections, we have

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done more than 80 of them. The next one next month will be in Tunisia

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to monitor that process. We also deal with peace negotiations like

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in a Middle East while -- where we tried to maintain contact with all

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the entity is involved. Our number one commitment as far as resources

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are concerned, both human resources and our budget, is the alleviation

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of suffering from diseases, primarily in Africa. During your

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presidency, you face a huge economic crisis, very different to

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the one facing President Obama now. Nevertheless, what would your

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advice be to him? It was a different situation. We had

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basically a balanced budget. It was not an ingrained basic problem that

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we are facing now both in Europe and the United States where

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governments have overspent and developed enormous debt and cannot

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meet their current obligations and are having to depend on stronger

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nations to support the others. I believe President Obama understand

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the question better than I do and I think his latest proposal on job

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increase based on 50 billion dollar expenditure would be a very good

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investment. Like President Obama, when you were elected, you were the

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sort of face of optimism and hope for change. Do you think that the

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way to the expectation was simply too great, both on his shoulders

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and on yours? I had a very harmonious and undivided nation and

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also an undivided Congress compared to what Obama has inherited. I had

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a great advantage over President Obama. He has a completely

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different challenge in his own administration because the

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Republicans have pledged not to give him any support on any issue,

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even on things which they themselves proposed previously, in

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order to prevent him being re- elected. I did not have that

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problem when I was in the White House. What would you see as your

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legacy? I think my legacy has been perpetuated, whatever it might be,

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between the presidency and the Carter Center. My commitment to

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peace instead of constant wars, during my term of office we had

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many challenges from the Soviet Union and other sources. But we had

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peace as a priority and we maintained peace in our own country

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and brought it to other people as well. Also the insistence on the

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application of human rights as the foundation for democracy and

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freedom. For instance, in Latin America, during my term in office,

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when I took office, the vast majority of Latin American

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countries were military dictatorships. Within five years,

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after I left office, all of them had become democracies because we

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insisted on the right of people to establish governments. I would say

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democracy and freedom on the one hand and human rights on the other

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along with peas. President Carter, thank you very much indeed for

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joining us. His life and career at the South

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Bank Centre on Monday. When he told his mother he was thinking of

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running, she said, that's nice, dear, President of what? I'm sure

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my next guest did not get that reaction. David Cameron, welcome.

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You what apologising to women? I hadst -- I said some things in

:25:15.:25:20.

the House of Commons which came out wrong and I deeply regret that. I

:25:20.:25:23.

was asked about it in an interview with the Sunday Times and I said

:25:23.:25:30.

what I think. So, you are a new man? Women can relax. You are

:25:30.:25:38.

modern. This is not an excuse, it is an explanation. Prime Minister's

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Questions is very aggressive and controversial -- confrontational. I

:25:42.:25:47.

do not think you can change that. That is not what I'm like, it is

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not who I am and I wanted to try and put that right but I recognise

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I must do better. What about some of the policies towards women?

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There has been an argument About Women's pensions and they're all

:26:00.:26:06.

sorts of issues, child benefit and so on. Are you confident that women

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voters are not supported as others? There is a deeper underlying issue.

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Britain faces a very difficult time now as countries right across the

:26:16.:26:20.

world do. Families in Britain see petrol prices going up, food prices

:26:20.:26:24.

going up, electricity increasing. Many people who work in the public

:26:24.:26:29.

sector have had a pay freeze. At the heart of families are women

:26:29.:26:32.

worrying desperately about the family budget. This government has

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to do difficult things. I profoundly believe we are taking

:26:35.:26:39.

difficult decisions to get the country to better times ahead but

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we have to explain really carefully why we are doing what we are doing.

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I think that has had an impact on families and many women and that

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causes great concern. I understand that. We have to explain why it is

:26:51.:26:56.

necessary. Let's talk about the economy. There is news of another

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bank in trouble in the south of Europe. Very -- people are very

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worried that the euro. How bad to think things will get in the year

:27:06.:27:10.

ahead? Clearly, there is a problem in the eurozone and we have to deal

:27:10.:27:14.

with that problem. I think the outlines of what needs to be done

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are becoming clearer all the time. The British government has a clear

:27:18.:27:22.

view. We are pushing with partners in Europe, with the IMF and others

:27:22.:27:25.

with what needs to be done. Strengthening of the financial

:27:25.:27:30.

mechanisms in Europe, greater involvement with the IMF, facing up

:27:30.:27:34.

to the problems and dealing with them decisively. This is what needs

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to happen. Frankly, the eurozone is a threat not just to itself but

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also a threat to the British economy and the worldwide economy

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so we have to deal with this. you agree with George Osborne but

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effectively there has to be a single European economy with a

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single tax system, a single fiscal system, you cannot have a currency

:27:54.:27:58.

without the rest of it? The problem with the eurozone, the logic of

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having a single currency is it leads you in that direction. I've

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always wanted to stay outside the single currency. We are not going

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to go into the eurozone. I think it is more urgent. Action needs to be

:28:15.:28:20.

taken in the next coming weeks to strength in Europe's banks, to

:28:20.:28:24.

build the defences that the eurozone has, to deal with the

:28:24.:28:28.

problems of debt decisively. They have got to do that now, to get

:28:28.:28:32.

ahead of the market now, irrespective of the changes that

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the re-sown might choose to make in the future about having a more

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single economic ordination which I suspect they will need. There are

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more urgent steps which have to be taken more quickly. What happens to

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us if the eurozone breaks up? would be very bad. One of the

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reasons why we want the eurozone to deal with its problems is the facts

:28:53.:28:58.

for Britain are pretty clear. 50 % of our exports go to other European

:28:58.:29:02.

countries. 40 % go to the eurozone. If bad things happen in the

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eurozone, that affects us. They cannot assure ourselves against the

:29:08.:29:11.

fact that right now the German and French economies, the two biggest

:29:11.:29:16.

economies in Europe have stalled. That is a big problem for us. We

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want them to deal with the issues and problems. Let me be clear. I

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will always defend the British national interest. I think our

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interest is to be in the European because we need that single market.

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We are a trading nation, it is vital for our economic future. I

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have always made clear that we have given to many powers to Europe and

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there are some powers I would like back from Europe. Then maybe future

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opportunities to bring that about. The problem for Europe right now is

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dealing with the resent problem. That is where all our energies

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should go because we should solve this problem in order to get the

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world economy to grow again. would like to see the repatriation

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of powers from the EU? Yes, that was in our manifesto. When the

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House of Commons votes, as it now will, on a referendum on Europe,

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you will be voting for a referendum? The issue of a

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referendum is not our view that they should be an in out referendum.

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I do not want Britain to leave the European Union. I think it is the

:30:18.:30:23.

wrong answer for Britain. What most people want in this country is not

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actually teach -- to leave the European Union but to reform the

:30:26.:30:29.

European Union and make sure the balance of powers between Britain

:30:29.:30:33.

and Europe is better. That is what people want. It is perfectly

:30:33.:30:38.

possible that the Commons could decide to vote on the idea of a

:30:38.:30:41.

referendum on the repatriation of powers and going back to the kind

:30:41.:30:46.

of trade association that we used to have with Europe, not a symbol -

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a simple in or out, that to you would be in favour of? The whole

:30:51.:30:54.

reasons the House of Commons is able to have a vote because of a

:30:54.:30:57.

bold reform this government made which is to let the House of

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Commons have more power over its timetable, the ability to debate

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and discuss subjects. Let's see what subject they choose. Let's see

:31:05.:31:09.

what question is put down. This is what Parliament ought to give. Let

:31:09.:31:13.

me just say once again, it is the government's priority right now,

:31:13.:31:18.

sort out the eurozone, get the European economy is growing again,

:31:18.:31:21.

let's get the single market working properly because there are huge

:31:22.:31:26.

things we could do in Europe to help promote growth in Britain. Get

:31:26.:31:31.

a single market in energy, finish the single market in services, open

:31:31.:31:34.

up European markets, make sure we stop the costs which are being

:31:34.:31:38.

piled on British businesses, let's stop all of that. I am not a

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This year, we have got France, Germany, Britain saying let's

:31:48.:31:51.

freeze the European budget. We have managed to get Britain out of the

:31:51.:31:55.

euro bail-out mechanism. That is a treaty that is going through Europe

:31:55.:31:58.

right now that gets Britain out of the bail-out mechanism that Labour

:31:58.:32:04.

got us into. OK. I do think we can do better. At this moment, it is

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very likely that there will have to be some kind of treaty

:32:09.:32:12.

renegotiation and the revised treaty, the Germans and the French

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have been talking about a new shape to the European economic system.

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That is an opportunity for there to be a renegotiation of this

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country's relationship with Europe and possibly a referendum - well

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certainly? You are getting ahead of things. The eurozone issue is the

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urgent priority. Second point: There is a European Treaty that's

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happening right now. This is the Treaty that gets us out of the

:32:39.:32:44.

bail-out mechanism that Labour got us into. The prospect for further

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future treaty change is not an immediate prospect. We have to make

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sure we sort out the eurozone issue. All right. In terms of... For the

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longer term, I have been very clear - I think we gave too much power to

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Europe. There are some powers I would like to get back. Right.

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Right now, that is not on the immediate agenda. I don't think I

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could be any clearer. All right. You would relish the opportunity of

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a treaty change which allowed you to renegotiate our relationship

:33:15.:33:18.

with Europe and have a referendum in this country? I wouldn't put it

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like that. Why not? I would relish for European leaders to roll up

:33:23.:33:26.

their sleeves, get the single market working, sort out the

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eurozone, get our economies trading, working and growing. People in

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rooms up-and-down Britain aren't thinking gosh, if we could only

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have a treaty change in Europe? They are thinking let's get the

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economy moving. That is what this conference is about. OK. Let's get

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on to this. It seems to me there are three possible ways of getting

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the economy moving. You could cut taxes. You are not going to do that,

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are you, in this Parliament? What we are not going to do is put at

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risk the very clear plan we have in place to deal with our debts and

:33:59.:34:02.

our deficit which is absolutely vital to give people confidence

:34:02.:34:06.

that the Government is going to get this economy under control. Which

:34:06.:34:09.

means you can't cut taxes? can't suddenly tear up your

:34:09.:34:13.

borrowing plans and your debt plans because it is those plans that give

:34:13.:34:17.

us the low interest rates that are key for economic recovery. You know,

:34:18.:34:21.

elsewhere in Europe, those countries that don't have a plan,

:34:21.:34:27.

they see their interest rates going up 5-7%. That would be devastating.

:34:27.:34:33.

I understand the argument. So you don't deviate, you can't cut taxes,

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you won't slash taxes. We have... The next thing... We have cut

:34:40.:34:44.

corporation tax. We have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax

:34:44.:34:49.

coming anywhere in the advanced world. Overall, you could spend

:34:50.:34:55.

lots more money and you are not going to do that. There are some

:34:55.:34:59.

infrastructure projects which are going ahead, highly controversially

:34:59.:35:03.

the fast railway line between London and Birmingham. Again you

:35:03.:35:08.

can't spend huge amounts of money. You can't do an old-fashioned job

:35:08.:35:11.

creation system? You can make sure you are spending money on

:35:11.:35:14.

productive things. This Government is spending more on capital

:35:14.:35:20.

projects than the last Government. You can protect the science budget.

:35:20.:35:24.

You shouldn't put at risk the overall picture of getting the

:35:24.:35:29.

debts and the deficit under control. Those people who argue a few more

:35:29.:35:32.

billion now would make all the difference, I would make this

:35:32.:35:37.

point: Over the next four years, we are going to be spending over �3

:35:37.:35:40.

trillion, the Government, into the economy. Is it really a good risk

:35:40.:35:44.

to spend a few more billion now and potentially put at risk the low

:35:44.:35:48.

interest rates that are so key to your economic revival? I do

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understand. I do understand that. If it is not going to be done

:35:52.:35:58.

through those traditional ways - you could potentially print your

:35:58.:36:01.

way out of trouble, use inflation to help a bit. That seems to be

:36:01.:36:04.

going on with the Bank of England at the moment. You are missing the

:36:04.:36:09.

two... I'm working through them. Let me explain. Line one is deal

:36:09.:36:13.

with the deficit. Essential for low interest rates. Line two is do all

:36:13.:36:16.

the things to make it easier for businesses to start up, for

:36:16.:36:19.

businesses to grow, for business to employ people, to expand and to

:36:19.:36:23.

invest. So we are dealing with the employment regulations. We are

:36:23.:36:26.

cutting corporate tax. We are dealing with business rates. We are

:36:26.:36:30.

reforming the planning system. Yet... All of these things, overall

:36:30.:36:34.

since the election there are 500,000 new private sector jobs.

:36:34.:36:39.

The economy is rebalancing between more private sector jobs and having

:36:39.:36:44.

to deal with excessive spending in the public sector. It takes time

:36:44.:36:48.

and it is difficult. That is the key to a growth strategy, is are

:36:48.:36:52.

you making it easier for business to expand, to grow, to invest? We

:36:52.:37:01.

are. You know that we are at a very dangerous moment. The world economy

:37:01.:37:09.

is in terrible trouble. Andrew Tyrie, senior Conservative,

:37:09.:37:11.

chairman of the Treasury Select Committee says your growth strategy

:37:11.:37:15.

is inconsistent and it needs to be pulled up several notches? First of

:37:15.:37:20.

all, let me take the export point. If you look at our exports to China,

:37:20.:37:24.

they are up 40%. We are seeing some export-led growth. Take one

:37:24.:37:27.

industry that I have spent some time with in the last year which is

:37:27.:37:33.

the motor industry. If you look at Jaguar Land Rover, massive

:37:33.:37:38.

expansion. Look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota. We are a massive exporter

:37:38.:37:43.

of cars and car engines. That industry is bringing more of its

:37:43.:37:48.

supply chain onshore. Let me answer the question about Andrew Tyrie...

:37:48.:37:52.

Do you need to re-engineer a growth strategy? We need to do everything

:37:52.:37:59.

we can to set the fires under the engines - that's bad - we need to

:37:59.:38:03.

do everything we can to fire up the engine of the British economy.

:38:03.:38:08.

There's a step-change taking place right now. You can see the housing

:38:08.:38:12.

market. The housing market isn't working. Why isn't it? Because of

:38:12.:38:17.

the debt crisis. The banks are bunged up with debt so the banks

:38:17.:38:21.

aren't lending, the builders aren't building and the buyers can't buy.

:38:21.:38:26.

This Government isn't just sitting back, we are saying right, we are

:38:26.:38:29.

going to make over Government land to housebuilders on the basis they

:38:29.:38:33.

can build now and pay for the land when they sell the homes. That

:38:33.:38:37.

could build 100,000 homes, 200,000 jobs in our economy. We are not

:38:37.:38:41.

stopping there. We are saying let's bring back the right to buy your

:38:41.:38:46.

council house. Let's use that money as young people choose to buy their

:38:46.:38:54.

council home, let's use that money to build homes... There aren't that

:38:54.:39:00.

many council homes left. There are... That's not the case. There

:39:00.:39:03.

are over two million homes that are still available to be bought. So

:39:03.:39:07.

this is something that will make a big difference. That could provide

:39:07.:39:14.

another 100,000 homes, another 200,000 jobs. That could be 200,000

:39:14.:39:24.
:39:24.:39:25.

extra homes, 400,000 extra jobs. Your enthusiasm for more homes has

:39:25.:39:29.

put the Government into confrontation with organisations

:39:29.:39:32.

like the campaign for the protection of rural England and

:39:32.:39:35.

National Trust who are very worried about the new national planning

:39:35.:39:39.

guidelines for England which they say is going to destroy the green

:39:39.:39:46.

England that you grew up with? Well, I represent a constituency in

:39:46.:39:52.

Oxfordshire, the gateway to the Cotswolds, with the most incredible

:39:52.:39:56.

countryside, beautiful forests and paths. I would no more put that at

:39:56.:39:59.

risk than I put my own family at risk. I love our countryside.

:39:59.:40:03.

Everybody knows we have a planning system that is incredibly

:40:03.:40:06.

bureaucratic, incredibly complicated and house building

:40:06.:40:10.

right now, it has increased from Labour's low levels. Under Labour

:40:10.:40:16.

it reached the lowest level since 1924. The average age of a first-

:40:16.:40:20.

time buyer is now 37. We have got to do more to get the homes built

:40:20.:40:29.

that we need for young people in our country. We can do that without

:40:29.:40:32.

jeopardising the greenbelt. Let me ask you something specific about

:40:32.:40:37.

that. We read that in the national plan - and everyone understands

:40:37.:40:41.

it's been far too bureaucratic, the system, in the past. Under the new

:40:41.:40:48.

system, there is going to be no limit on where advertisements can

:40:48.:40:57.

be placed. Anywhere you will be able to stick up those in fields

:40:57.:41:00.

and people will look at this and say it is going to be like the

:41:00.:41:05.

worst parts of the United States, some of the worst parts of the

:41:05.:41:10.

Third World? I don't accept that. Is that wrong? That is wrong. We

:41:10.:41:13.

are slimming down the national guidelines. Some people assume if

:41:13.:41:17.

you don't mention something in a national guideline, that means

:41:17.:41:20.

local authorities won't be able to stop unsightly developments. That

:41:20.:41:24.

is nonsense. We need to trust local authorities more. If we stand back

:41:24.:41:28.

from this - I put it like this. Why is it people tend not to support

:41:28.:41:32.

development? Frankly, I don't blame them. Local communities don't get

:41:32.:41:37.

much benefit from new development. Under our new plans, if the factory

:41:37.:41:40.

goes ahead, you keep the business rates, you can spend the money. If

:41:40.:41:44.

new homes go ahead in your area, you will get the new homes bonus.

:41:44.:41:49.

You can spend that money. What we need to do is create a system where

:41:49.:41:53.

local people see the benefits and the disbenefits of planning and

:41:53.:41:59.

housing and factories and jobs going ahead. That will be a more

:41:59.:42:04.

rational system. And yet as the result of this change, there is

:42:04.:42:10.

going to be a great deal more housing in rural England? Well,

:42:10.:42:15.

if... That's true, isn't it? Take my constituency. Beautiful villages,

:42:15.:42:19.

beautiful countryside. In the last five years, we built an extra 3,000

:42:19.:42:24.

houses. I don't accept that local politicians don't want extra

:42:24.:42:31.

housing. They do. Politicians may, I'm talking about residents?

:42:32.:42:35.

Villagers, if they were able to be in control of having a few extra

:42:36.:42:40.

homes, they know that would be good for the local pub and the local

:42:40.:42:45.

village school. It is our job to listen to concerns. If there are

:42:45.:42:50.

concerns that need reflecting, we will reflect them. The point is

:42:50.:42:54.

this: Under the existing planning system, the local village and the

:42:54.:43:00.

town fears the arrival of the new extra housing estates, plonked on

:43:00.:43:04.

its margins. If you give locals more control over what sort of

:43:04.:43:09.

houses, we can have a more rational debate about planning and we can

:43:09.:43:12.

see our villages become places of life with a future for the village

:43:12.:43:16.

school, the pub and the Post Office rather than a slow death. The Home

:43:17.:43:24.

Secretary wants to see the end of the Human Rights Act. It gets in

:43:24.:43:28.

her way. We have heard the stories of suspected terrorists who can't

:43:28.:43:34.

be removed from this country. Do you agree? It would be good to

:43:34.:43:39.

replace it with a British Bill of Rights. We have a very clear

:43:40.:43:42.

agreement in the coalition to set up a commission to look at the idea

:43:42.:43:47.

of a British Bill of Rights but it will go more slowly than Theresa

:43:47.:43:51.

May or I would want. Are we going to sit back and go tough? No.

:43:51.:43:56.

are you going to do? One of the problems we have here is not just

:43:56.:44:00.

the Human Rights Act. It's the sort of chilling culture under it that

:44:00.:44:06.

means that someone drives a police van, you know, an hour to move a

:44:06.:44:10.

prisoner 200 yards when he was happy to walk. The Human Rights Act

:44:10.:44:13.

doesn't say that is what you have to do. It is the chilling effect of

:44:13.:44:17.

people thinking I will be found guilty under it. The Government can

:44:17.:44:22.

do a huge amount to communicate to institutions and individuals let's

:44:22.:44:26.

have some commonsense and judgment, let's have that applying rather

:44:26.:44:31.

than this overinterpretation of what is there. Point two: Part of

:44:31.:44:37.

this comes from judgments in the European Court of Justice. We are

:44:37.:44:40.

now going to be chairing the Council of Europe, we have an

:44:40.:44:48.

opportunity with others to try and change the way the European

:44:48.:44:51.

Convention on Human Rights works. Would I like to go further and

:44:51.:44:56.

faster? Yes, I have said so. If the Conservatives had their way, if you

:44:56.:44:59.

were governing by yourself, you would get rid of the Human Rights

:44:59.:45:04.

Act and replace it with the British Bill of Rights? Yes. Which leads us

:45:04.:45:08.

on to relations with the other side of the coalition. Lots of rude

:45:08.:45:15.

things were said last week about the Conservatives, Tim Farron...

:45:15.:45:19.

That was two weeks' ago. There were a lot of rude things said last week

:45:19.:45:29.
:45:29.:45:31.

Tim Farron talked about it was a ghastly thing this coalition, bound

:45:31.:45:36.

to end in divorce and so on, and yet, clearly, there are Liberal

:45:36.:45:39.

Democrats with him you personally get on quite well and I wonder

:45:39.:45:43.

whether if you did win an election in your own right with an absolute

:45:43.:45:47.

majority, you would push them all out or would you have some of those

:45:47.:45:52.

people still working with you? First of all, I am focused on the

:45:52.:45:57.

here and now, delivering this government's agenda. At the time of

:45:57.:46:00.

great economic uncertainty and difficulty, it is good that Britain

:46:01.:46:04.

has a strong and stable government and a government which is clearly

:46:04.:46:10.

in place until that election in 2015. I think that is an important

:46:10.:46:13.

thing. I pay tribute to the fact that Conservatives and Liberal

:46:13.:46:18.

Democrats have had to put some of their difficulties aside and in the

:46:18.:46:20.

national interest have come together to deliver the long term

:46:20.:46:24.

change the country needs. Of course there are tensions and pressures

:46:24.:46:32.

but why -- I think we are grown-up enough to deal with those. At the

:46:32.:46:35.

next election we will fight as independent parties. We will be

:46:35.:46:42.

fighting to win and whatever happens, happens. What kind of

:46:42.:46:45.

Conservative are you? There has been a lot of debate in the

:46:45.:46:50.

newspapers. Are you really still a Thatcherite, core Conservative,

:46:50.:46:56.

restrained and held back by a coalition or are you naturally a

:46:56.:47:00.

cuddly conservative, a centrist Conservative who enjoy his

:47:00.:47:04.

coalition? I would describe myself as a modern, compassionate

:47:04.:47:08.

conservative. Modern because we have to apply ourselves to the

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challenges of today. If it is no good looking back to the past.

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Compassionate, because we must not leave people behind in our country.

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I think our deficit reduction plan as fair. The richest pay the most.

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Are trying to protect families on low incomes. I am a Conservative

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because I believe if you give people more power and control of

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their lives, they will make great decisions. I do not believe this

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government is only held back by the cuddly Liberal Democrats. The

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decision to increase spending on the NHS throughout this Parliament,

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that was not a liberal or a Labour policy, that was a Conservative

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policy. Does it frustrate you that the Liberal Democrats take credit

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for the popular policies? No, it is our job to talk to our party is

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about what we are achieving coalition. I think the

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Conservatives can be very proud of the fact that we have frozen the

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council tax, we have cut corporation tax, we are setting up

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free schools and academies across the country, we are bringing in

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reforms which the country needs. There are lots of things the

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Liberal Democrats can be proud of. The success of one does not have to

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be at the disadvantage of the other. But there will be a divorce

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eventually? We are not married! have not signed the papers.

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happily married but to my wife and not to Nick Clegg! It is not a

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marriage. It does not end in divorce. It is a coalition where

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two parties have put aside some of their own interests for the good of

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the country. We going to the next election a separate parties and I

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want to win outright a Conservative term. I think we can do even more

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great things for our country if we achieve that. In the meantime, I

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have a massive job of work to did. An economy which needs growth. A

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society which needs strengthening. There is a must for us to do over

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this five-year term. We started off by talking about the economy and

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that is a key issue. Vince Cable talked about it being like a war

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situation. As serious as that. This is a wartime coalition government

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but it is a wartime coalition government facing economic war, not

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physical war. There are elements of truth in that. The last time had a

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coalition government was in wartime. One of the benefits of coalition is

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you put aside some of your immediate interests to achieve

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long-term good. You asking country did come behind what the government

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is doing at a difficult time. The fact that two parties are making

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defensive decisions and you have one completely outside of that

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consensus and very backward-looking as we saw last big at their

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conference, the fact that two parties are making these arguments

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is helpful at the time of economic difficulty. I sometimes get the

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impression that going around shopping centres, although there is

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a lot of talk in places like this about tough times and the economy

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is in trouble, out there a lot of people have not noticed and are

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still spending. I don't sense that. I think up-and-down the country, a

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big one of the biggest shock to people has been the electricity

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increase at and the gas increases. Put that on top of the family shop

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and what is happening at the petrol pumps. The wage freeze is necessary.

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I think a lot of people understand that but those things combined are

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making life difficult for people. Democracy is government by

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explanation. We have got to explain all of the time why it is necessary

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and how we will help people. have always been an optimist but

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things are bound to get worse before they get better, aren't

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they? Things are difficult but we have to explain to people what we

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are trying to build at the end of it. Yesterday I went to this

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hospital in Warwick and there was a really friendly old guy who was

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lying in bed, he had hurt his back and he was telling me how proud he

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was that he had three sons. One worked for Rolls-Royce making the

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best engines in the world, the other was at Jaguar Land Rover and

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the third was at Shell. He said I feel my boys are Building Britain's

:51:22.:51:26.

industrial future. I thought what a wonderful way of putting that. We

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are going to build an economy that is worthwhile, not just worth

:51:30.:51:35.

something but really worthwhile. How with this country going to earn

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its way in the world? Industry, not simply financial engineering is the

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answer? Of course. We are brilliant end genius -- inventors in this

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country. We invented the jet engine, DNA and the World Wide Web. We have

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got the great universities but we have not had the technical centres

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and apprenticeships, all of those things which we are now putting in

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place. There is something better at the end of it. A big agenda and a

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big vision. Prime Minister, thank you. Over to Louise in London.

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The Prime Minister has insisted the government is not just sitting back

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in face of faltering economic growth. He told this programme that

:52:16.:52:21.

building up to 200,000 new houses would be a crucial element of the

:52:21.:52:25.

government's growth strategy. He called for a rational debate about

:52:25.:52:29.

planning same building more homes in the countryside could revitalise

:52:29.:52:33.

villages and rural businesses. A leading charity says there has

:52:33.:52:37.

been a surge in the number of people who cannot afford basic

:52:37.:52:42.

foods. Fair share, who distributes surplus food from supermarkets and

:52:42.:52:48.

manufacturers, says it is facing an unprecedented demand from families.

:52:48.:52:51.

It has seen an increase in the number of requests for help over

:52:51.:52:54.

the last year. The Foreign Office has issued new

:52:54.:52:57.

advice to Britons to avoid all but essential travel to a large stretch

:52:57.:53:02.

of Kenya's coastline close to the Somali border. Yesterday, an

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elderly French woman was kidnapped from a coastal resort by Somali

:53:06.:53:10.

pirates and last month, British holidaymakers David Tebbutt was

:53:10.:53:13.

killed and his wife, Judith, was taken captive.

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The next news on BBC One is at midday. Back to Andrew and a moment

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but first, look at what is coming up after this programme. Today on

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Sunday Morning Live, David Cameron has said the rich should pay the

:53:26.:53:30.

most to help us out of trouble so is it time for the rich to pay more

:53:30.:53:34.

tax? The leader of the Christian party says we are in danger of

:53:34.:53:38.

treating Christians the way the Nazis treated the Jews. And Colin

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wild animals, is it inhumane? Join us at 10 o'clock.

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The Prime Minister is still with me as his Andrew Pierce of the Daily

:53:47.:53:52.

Mail and also Polly Harvey, PJ Harvey, who will be singing for us

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and won her second that you Music Prize recently. Polly, this is the

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tradition of the singer-songwriter taking a big political subject, in

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this case Britain and war and making music so it is going right

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back to the 60s in some respects? In some respects you could say that.

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I think the early 60s was the last time that political agenda through

:54:15.:54:19.

music was at the forefront. It hasn't been for many years, or if

:54:19.:54:23.

it has been going on, it has not had a platform with which to be

:54:23.:54:27.

heard. That is largely the case. I feel very hopeful, very optimistic

:54:27.:54:32.

that an album like mine was chosen at this particular point in time.

:54:32.:54:36.

David Cameron will certainly enjoyed the first line of the song

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you're going to sing for us, God damn Europeans, it starts! You

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listen to some Morrissey and stuff. Samantha bought PJ Harvey's album

:54:48.:54:52.

from ITN's having seen you win the prize. It was great to do that

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twice. We have listened to it a couple of times. Very keen. The

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only war film I have not seen, Hamburger Hill, about Vietnam, the

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juxtaposition of the music and the scenes and that film are incredibly

:55:07.:55:13.

powerful. I will have to listen to the lyrics. Do you think they are

:55:13.:55:20.

doing all right on culture? I have to say that the county in which I

:55:20.:55:25.

had my cultural education in Somerset has had 100 % cut to arts

:55:25.:55:31.

funding and I worry that the cuts are largely being made in that area.

:55:31.:55:37.

And the whole world seems to be being steered towards economic gain

:55:37.:55:41.

as being the only goal of worth. will pick that up with the Prime

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Minister in a moment but you had better get yourself ready and get

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your guitar ready. Thank you. There is a point, we talk about

:55:50.:55:53.

economics all the time but we have got a great cultural background and

:55:53.:55:59.

musical heritage. We are sitting in a building, I'm not just saying

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this because I am at the BBC, the BBC have put a huge amount of money

:56:04.:56:09.

building a creative hub. We have ITV here as well. The lottery can

:56:09.:56:13.

do a great amount to promote this. What did you make about the

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interview? Very good because you would expect that from the Prime

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Minister. You did say it was your job to listen to objectors and

:56:23.:56:26.

people who object to the planning laws, Francis Maude has given an

:56:26.:56:32.

interview where he says opponents are talking nonsense and he used a

:56:32.:56:38.

far more descriptive term. Do you agree with him? There are some

:56:38.:56:44.

scares around there. Partly, a few slimmed-down national guidelines,

:56:44.:56:47.

you are leaving more to local authorities. That does not mean

:56:47.:56:53.

they will build houses on ancient woodland. There is some trust there.

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You are going to take my job! That is all we have got time for. Thank

:56:58.:57:02.

you to the Prime Minister and all my guests. Next week, we will be

:57:02.:57:07.

back in the studio in London at the later time of 10 past nine. Now we

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leave you with PJ Harvey and a song from her latest album, The Last

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:57:22.:57:25.

# Goddamn Europeans! # Take me back to beautiful England.

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# And the grey damp filthiness of ages.

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# And battered books. # And fog rolling down behind the

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mountains. # On the graveyards and dead sea-

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captains. # Let me walk through the stinking

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alleys. # To the music of drunken beatings.

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# Past the thames river glistening. # Like gold hastily sold.

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# Let me watch night fall on the river.

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