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It's nearly the end of July, Parliament is gone,

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another political season is now officially over.

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This time two years ago, David Cameron was triumphantly

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installed in Number Ten, Jeremy Corbyn was a 200-1 shot

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for the Labour leadership and we were apparently secure

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This time a year ago, Cameron was out, and the then hugely

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popular Theresa May was Prime Minister.

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She promised there'd be no early election.

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What will the world be looking like by July 2018?

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Answers on a holiday postcard, please.

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Well, I'm joined this morning by the man who's smashed

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all the predictions and torn up the political rule book, but do

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we know what Jeremy Corbyn really thinks on Europe and capitalism?

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And as the Brexit talks hot up, Liam Fox, the International Trade

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Secretary, is in the US, talking about free trade.

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Looking ahead, we're just days away from the World Athletics

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I'm joined by one of the most powerful men in world sport to talk

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about that and the fight against doping in athletics.

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And the Hollywood star Ethan Hawke on why his often-downbeat new movie

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is really all about happiness and the joy of art.

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Plus, music from Broadway's finest, Audra McDonald, channelling

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the spirit of the late, great Billie Holliday.

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# All you'll say when you have kissed him is "ooh, ooh"

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And reviewing the newspapers and more, I'm joined

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by the former Labour MP and chair of Vote Leave Gisela Stuart,

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the Spectator's Toby Young and Nigel Farage's favourite

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Princes William and Harry have given a candid insight

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into their relationship with their mother, Princess Diana,

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and have revealed that they last spoke to her in a brief phone call

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Speaking in a documentary to mark the 20th anniversary of her death,

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the princes said they regret the rushed nature of that

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conversation, but fondly recall their mother's loving nature

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One of her mottos to me was, "You can be as naughty as you want,

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She was one of the naughtiest parents.

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She would come and watch us play football and smuggle

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Literally, walking back from a football match and having

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Some of the BBC's most high-profile female presenters have written

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to the corporation's Director General, Tony Hall, calling

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BBC Sport's Claire Balding, the Today programme's Mishal Hussain

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and Jane Garvey from Woman's Hour are among the 42 signatories.

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The letter in the Sunday Times urges Lord Hall to "act now" to close

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the gender pay gap in all areas of the BBC.

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The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has described the abuse

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towards staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital,

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where the terminally ill baby Charlie Gard is being treated,

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The hospital says its doctors and nurses have faced a "tide

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Charlie's family is fighting a legal battle for the right

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to take him to America for experimental treatment.

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His parents say they don't condone the threats on hospital staff,

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Democrats have criticised President Trump for saying he has

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the complete power to issue pardons, as an investigation continues

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into alleged Russian meddling in last year's US elections.

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It's thought he could use the presidential pardon for family

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Presidents can pardon people before they're found guilty

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The next news on BBC One is at one o'clock.

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A busy morning and the papers are absolutely full of that William and

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Harry interview that we heard about on the news, the red tops in

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particular. There is the Mail on Sunday... The Sunday Mirror... The

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same photograph in the Sunday Express. The Sunday Times has the

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same story. They have their own story, Tories broke the right to

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choose your own sex. But also the other really big story of the day,

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there is the Sunday Telegraph splash, revolt of the BBC women,

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that is the BBC and pay and you bet we will be talking about that. And

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an the Observer... They are talking about David Davis being the

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favourite to succeed Theresa May, perhaps in the autumn. And they have

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a story about Jeremy Corbyn's secret backer, when he was allegedly going

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to be deselected by his constituency party, one Tony Blair stepped in to

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save him so we will discuss that. Let's start with the BBC pay story.

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When I see all the photographs and read the list of names on this open

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letter, I think virtually every important female TV star in the BBC

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is in that. It is an absolute complete list it up yes, and they

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have all the photographs on page two of the Sunday Telegraph and we also

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see evidence that the story is beginning to metastasise so there is

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a story about the NHS coming under pressure to reduce the gender pay

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gap. And we will soon see it in other publicly funded institution

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that they won't just be the gender pay gap but the pay gap between

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white men and black, Asian and minority ethnic men and then class

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and so forth. I'm slightly concerned that this is going to result in a

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clamour for more pay from all kinds of other groups. The solution to

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this probably isn't to pay anyone who isn't a white, heterosexual,

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middle-class male more. The solution, I'm afraid, is to pay

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white, heterosexual, middle-class males less. And you say that as one

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of us. Treachery! Diesel, isn't the real issue, I'm thinking of TV, that

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people like me, we get paid more because we have experience, red bit

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grilled around the edges, but if I had been born Audrey Maher, rather

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than Andrew Marr, I would have been out ten years ago. There was a real

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lack of older women on the screen anyway. But that we can start to

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address. It is not just the top pay, it is the further down you go. You

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always will find that women are paid just a little bit less and we've got

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to start addressing this and as Toby says, there are these extraordinary

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differentials and the fact that this is now coming will enable the next

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generation to say, we are no longer putting with this. Anna, I imagine

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there will not be a newsroom or an office in the country tomorrow

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morning where this is not being talked about and people are saying,

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what about here? How much I pick compared to that guy? I used to work

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in TV as a female presenter and reporter so I'll absolutely aware of

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this. I think things have got worse and I just wonder whether one of the

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reasons... I used to be the mother of the chapel, NUJ... FOC? Father of

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the Chapel but I was a woman. I kept a very BDI on all the pay levels and

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how people were often being mistreated and I just wonder whether

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or not, dare I say it, the de-unionisation of many places of

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work... I don't have a problem with trade unions as long as they are

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democratic and responsible and they played an important point in making

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sure there was fairness, whatever your sex, colour, sexual

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orientation, whatever. Into that gap which is to be the unions

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negotiating you got agents and you've got secrecy and that's where

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the problem starts. That's why I think this is so important a is now

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come about that is much more open and you have an awareness of what is

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going on. The other thing is that to be fair, the women also they know

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they are well-paid. They talk about the unfairness in the rest of the

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BBC with people not so well-paid. We've got to keep an eye on the

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regions as well because there will be regional presenters who will not

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be paid the same as the man sitting next order them. I just the gas of

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this kind of thing happens and everyone's pay is out there, what

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you normally expect is that everyone turns on everybody else and mass of

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bickering starts. These women have stuck together and that is very

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impressive and that is why they are holding such a blunder the head of

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the BBC this morning. One argument to justify the discrepancy is that

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the men are more likely to be poached by ITV than the woman. Is

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that true in your experience? Yes. I can think of one example of a very

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well-regarded female presenter in the BBC, who went to ITV and is now

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paid much more there so it goes both ways. Let me turn to the other big

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story of the day, which is this William and Harry interview. I don't

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really go for these things but it is very moving. It is and if you think

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about it, these were two teenagers or all most teenagers in the case of

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Harry, when they lost their mother, which for any child is hugely

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traumatic, obviously, but things were made even worse for them. Their

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parents were separated, which adds to it all, and the fact that whilst

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they were trying to grieve, in many ways it was under a public spotlight

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and, of course, with papers constantly speculating, showing

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scenes of where their mother had died and I think what's refreshing,

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if that is the right word to use, but I think it is, is to find two

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people who are actually talking about the issue of grief in a very

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human way, which says a lot about the modern Royal family, for which

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we are very grateful, compared to, frankly, when Diana went into it at

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the age of 19, far too young, and a very frail and fragile character in

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her own right to talk Maintaining our themes of BBC programmes and

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powerful women, Gisela Stuart, I want to go to the front page of the

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Observer. Hilary Armstrong, former Chief Whip, has given an interesting

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interview to the BBC's Westminster hour. Yes, it reveals that Jeremy

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Corbyn's back when the chips were down was Tony Blair. Jeremy Corbyn

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was under threat of being deselected by his own constituency and it was

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Tony Blair who said, we are not doing this. Tony Blair stepped in to

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rescue Corbyn from being removed as an MP when some of his Islington

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North constituents wanted to deselect him. The success of New

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Labour was that it realised in order to form a government, you need to be

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bringing people in and if there was one thing which you could accuse

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Tony Blair, he always spent more time on the people who disagreed

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with him than people who supported him and I think that is the way

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forward. The Whips' office needs to be all embracing, and... Unlike the

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hard left of the Labour Party. I think there is a lesson here for the

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Conservative party and particularly the Conservative covenant. The

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reason Armstrong has revealed this is because she is worried about

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deselection and she wants to discourage Jeremy Corbyn from

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allowing it to happen. The argument is, hang on if you possibly can

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because in due course a civil War will erupt. Gender reassignment. He

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said firmly. Was that an order? The answer is no. Tories promote right

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to choose your own sex. A very important story. Adults will be able

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to change their gender legally without a doctor's diagnosis and

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government plans will transform British society. Sunday Times story.

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The important thing of the consultation process which they have

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announced in the autumn is, I think they have to think through the

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consequences of this, whether it is a different retirement age, because

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at the moment, whilst we have the possibility of gender reassignment,

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if you were born a man and... That is interesting. Of I decided I was

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going to declare as other woman I could retire earlier. I would make

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you the highest-paid female BBC employee! Nobody is going to do that

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to get a better pension. At the moment it is about how men might be

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doing things which currently only women can do. Are they going to

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gender reassigned in order to go into changing rooms, which is

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nonsense because the key thing is, this is an issue which I think is an

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important human rights issue. We need to get it out of

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medicalisation, where it is seen as, there is a problem with you. If

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Justine Greening can continue what the Labour government started... It

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was Labour who really were the trailblazers. The Education

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Secretary happens to be gay, the schools minister happens to be gay

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and that is the right attitude. Nobody... What a remarkable change

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in such a short time. When I came into Parliament 20 years ago, there

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was this assumption that nobody on the Tory benches... Let's go to

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another very powerful woman, extraordinarily vivid piece by Ruth

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Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader, in this new website, Tim

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Montgomery's Unheard. A great piece by Ruth Davidson, who was a

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remarkable woman and I hope very much want date will be a remarkable

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Tory leader, but she talks about capitalism, about why as a system

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that is the right thing to do, how it enriches everybody and delivers

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on social justice, as well as Conservatives. She's talking about

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taking the fight to the Labour Party. She says, how can you sell

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capitalism to somebody in a pit village with no pit or a steel town

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with no steel mill or a factory town with their factories? We have

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stopped making the argument and stopped telling people what

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conservatism is all about and we've allowed the Labour Party, the hard

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left in particular, to take the agenda that they have a monopoly on

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caring about people. I don't want poverty. That's one of the reasons I

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came into politics, for the abolition of poverty. What

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distinguishes us, largely, is how we achieve it. She makes the case for

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capitalism as being the deliverer of social justice. This is being ramped

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up by some people as Ruth Davidson's leadership bid but this seems to me

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to be total before because she is inside the Scottish party, not the

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Westminster Parliament, and has no intention of moving. She says, I

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want to be Scotland's first Minister. She is the kind of person

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you would like to be standing behind us leader one-day? One day,

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undoubtedly. She is an outstanding woman.

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It's exactly the kind of conversation that needs to be taking

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place in the Conservative Party, they need to defend capitalism and

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socialism but also acknowledge there are some problems of capitalism that

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need addressing. You have another Labour story, to be? Yes, in the

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mail on Sunday there is a story about how Justine Greening has

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written a letter to Angela Rayner demanding an apology for Labour's

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misleading of students during the election campaign by strongly

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implying they would do something to deal with student debt. Not just

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stop people from having to pay but also deal with the debt run up, over

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?100 billion we are talking about. Justine Greening is rightly asking

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Labour to apologise for misleading people on this issue. I have to make

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promises on this show who can talk about what, and I have promised

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geese she can talk about pop-up parliaments! -- Gisela. The easiest

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thing is for Parliament to refurbish as quickly as possible, and here is,

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I think, this amazing suggestion. Could this be the temporary home for

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the Commons, Horse Guards Parade... It's an idea, Norman Foster behind

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it and I think we should cherish modern architecture and give it a

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chance. We are almost running out of time, I also want to talk about

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Brexit. I had assumed, Anna, that people like you were pretty much

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stuff in this Parliament, there weren't enough of you to make a

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difference, but because of the five-year Parliament act you can

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carry on voting as you wish without too much fear of a sudden general

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election, is that right? I think it is. Everything has changed after the

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general election. Theresa May went to the country to increase her

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majority and I think it was so that she could put into place a form of

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Brexit which the British people have actually rejected. Now we are

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leaving the European Union, nothing has changed on that, but the terms

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and the deal we get, the rhetorical use and that end deal has completely

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changed and she has to build a consensus. What happened is that the

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hardline Brexiteers I think have realised their game is up, thank

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goodness for that. But now we understand that all members of the

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Cabinet and accept there will be a transitional period. We will then

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get a proper deal with the EU and then we go into that. Liam Fox says

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he thinks it shouldn't last, that transition period, longer than now

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and the next general election. What do you think about that? Should take

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as long as it takes for British business to get what they want. It

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is an interesting argument but we are about out of time I'm afraid. We

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will be talking about this for months and months ahead but thank

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you very much indeed. To widespread national relief,

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the Prime Minister isn't going walking in Wales

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to take more decisions. She's off to the Alps instead,

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perhaps missing this delightful, delicious and reviving rain we've

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been enjoying this week. Yes it will continue, in fact today

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is looking similar to yesterday, disappointing in places with

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prolonged rain, but there was some sunshine. Today there will be more

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sunshine but also showers and longer spells of rain that may turn out to

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be heavy too. The low pressure will slowly move eastwards into the near

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continent but it brings another showery day, rain to eastern

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Scotland and central southern parts of Scotland into northern England as

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we head into the afternoon. Further south a rash of showers which could

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merge together, some could be heavy with Thunder mixed in too. But there

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will be brightness in between and in Northern Ireland it will be quite

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warm, but cool way of the showers. As we had through the course of

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Monday, it looks like it will continue to be cloudy across

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central, southern and eastern parts, the chilly northern wind down the

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eastern coast, but further north and west high pressure building in here,

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so quite warm. Giusto looks prior and dry to pretty much across the

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board apart from the odd shower, and then into Wednesday the next weather

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system moves in to bring the spell of what weather to the UK. -- wet

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weather. My next guest was a

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genuine sporting hero. of the most successful runners

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we've ever had. He then went into politics,

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and then brought the 2012 Olympics Now he's president of the

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International Athletics Federation, and is bringing another big

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international event, the World Championships,

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to the capital early next month. Welcome. These championships are

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going to have Usain Bolt and Mo Farah still in them, both are about

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to leave the track certainly in terms of big events, how serious is

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it in athletics to lose two huge stars? It is big, Usain Bolt is

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retiring and Mo Farah is going onto the roads. Our sport will always

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turn up outstanding geniuses and they both are. I think we have to

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accept that in Usain's case it's not that nobody will break records, that

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will happen but it is the personality. You need the charisma.

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Yes, he feels a room and our sport will have to work hard to make sure

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the world recognises that it is not just about Usain Bolt. It is a bit

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like Ali going you don't replace him. Can you explain, there's going

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to be an unusual ceremony for Jessica Ennis-Hill, why it is

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happening and what will happen. We now have the technology to be able

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to go back over previous World Championships and retest samples,

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particularly in cases where there is suspicion or the technology has

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frankly moved on to allow us to to detect things we couldn't detect at

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the time so Jess will be receiving the championship medal she should

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have won in 2009, 2011, I cannot remember which date it was. In the

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past these medals in a way have been handed out in the local pub or by

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DHL and we wanted an appropriate moment. Services dealing with

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historic unfurnished. Can you assure people that in these Games they will

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not be athletes cheating? No, I can't, and I think you would look at

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me slightly askance, people will always cheat. What I can tell you,

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and Brendan Foster made the remark in a national newspaper, that the

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system is safer and we have the technology that allows us to be more

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specific that what we are looking at. I would like to be able to tell

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you we will have drug-free sport in the future. Everything we are doing

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is engaged in trying to achieve that but we know that few people will

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cheat. What we do have in place now is an independent athlete integrity

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unit, we have independent sanctioning and discipline, and we

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will be able to be a lot tougher and speed up the process. We now doping

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has overshadowed your sport in particular. When did you know the

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Russians were involved in such widespread doping? There have been

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concerns for many years. I was competing for to years ago and from

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that point on... You told the select committee I think that you knew in

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December 2014 about this, actually you had received allegations four

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months before that. The specific allegations were, as we know,

:24:11.:24:13.

horrendous and we are now dealing with that. There is a difference

:24:14.:24:20.

here between was there a global problem and was there a Russian

:24:21.:24:25.

problem. People have known that for many years, the specific allegations

:24:26.:24:29.

came to light... Dave Bedford sent you an e-mail with an attachment in

:24:30.:24:33.

it which gave you all of the allegations, you were vice president

:24:34.:24:37.

at the time and you didn't even open it. No, I had it on to the ethics

:24:38.:24:46.

board... You didn't open it, did you? No, actually I was on holiday

:24:47.:24:51.

at the time. That went to the right, appropriate organisation to be

:24:52.:24:54.

dealing with that and I had done that in the past and will continue

:24:55.:24:58.

to do that. But you were ahead of this or nearly head of this big

:24:59.:25:03.

thing. Here are serious allegations absolutely on point and you didn't

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read them, do you regret that? No, the allegations themselves were

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handed on. I did not read them and that's clear but the issue was they

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went to absolutely the right organisation and subsequently that

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organisation actually have subsequently said they were looking

:25:22.:25:25.

at them anyway. The select committee you spoke to have accused you of

:25:26.:25:28.

deliberately misleading them on this subject. That isn't accurate and the

:25:29.:25:35.

select committee which I appeared in front off for nearly four hours a

:25:36.:25:41.

year or so ago... Damian Collins said I think Sebastian Coe does

:25:42.:25:48.

suggestion to the select committee was deliberately misleading. That's

:25:49.:25:53.

not my interpretation. A lot of these troubles happened under the

:25:54.:25:57.

regime of your predecessor, and you were quite close to him for a long

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time. I was a member of the council. He helped you in your rise to the

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top. His son said without his father's help family wouldn't have

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made it to top. I rather fancy he was helping a range of candidates.

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He is now under house arrest in France, his son is wanted by

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Interpol, do you think that on your way to the top you are a little too

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close to that family? The organisation has in French law are

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part of it allows us to work closely to bring this sorry episode as

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quickly as we come to fruition. You called him your spiritual present at

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one point, do you look at him and the regime now and think there was

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something fundamentally wrong with what was going on? Yes, the issue is

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very clear that the walls were too high. It isn't that we weren't

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asking questions, plenty of questions were being asked. We were

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not in a position to know whether the answers we were getting were

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valid. I have been putting reforms in place, some 200 changes to our

:27:20.:27:22.

sport, that will make sure that when answers are given like that, my

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counsel, Federation's sightlines are clear and we are able to know the

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answers being given are accurate. The problem in the old system was we

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didn't have that and those walls have been removed. One final area

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and question we can sort out is about the odd decision to give

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Eugene Oregon the 2021 athletics meet. Eugene Oregon is also the

:27:46.:27:56.

headquarters of the Nike corporation, which you were being

:27:57.:28:05.

paid by at the time. Can you understand... First of all 23 people

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voted for Eugene Oregon and the issue was a very clear one... It

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wasn't an open bidding process. It wasn't an open bidding process at

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the time. Every sport wants to get into the United States, it has been

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the clear intent from the IAAF to have a Championships in the United

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States. I would have loved other states to have bid for it. It wasn't

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our choice, it was the United States track and Field association but it's

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an important point here as well, and that is that Eugene and Qatar came

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within three votes of each other and the council made a judgment that we

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needed to have a presence in the United States. If anything

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subsequently comes out of that that gives us any reason for concern or,

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you know... You will investigate yourself? No, we have an independent

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integrity unit that will do that but I have been clear we will look at

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that. After the Olympics, a huge success for you, there was a lot

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said about legacy and getting young people off the sofa and into sport

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and it hasn't gone as well as you'd hoped. To what extent do you blame

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government decisions on cutting budgets in schools? I don't actually

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because for the first couple of years after the Games I was involved

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in legacy work in this area, and in fact we found about 200 million to

:29:37.:29:41.

go into primary schools sport. The broader point is before 2005 when we

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won the right to stage the Games, we were haemorrhaging participation in

:29:49.:29:52.

sport in this country. The very worst you can save post 2005 and in

:29:53.:29:57.

the lead up to the opening ceremony is that 1.5 million more people

:29:58.:30:01.

including a lot of young people have now taken up sport. More people are

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running and cycling more than ever before, and more people are doing

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triathlon than ever before. Participation has always been... If

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you go back in ever greater numbers... The Olympic Park is an

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extraordinary success. Lord Coe, thanks for talking to us.

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Amid all the superhero and action movies currently

:30:30.:30:31.

breaking box office records, there's still room

:30:32.:30:32.

for small, intimate films that pack a big punch.

:30:33.:30:35.

Maudie, which opens soon, sees Sally Hawkins play a 1930s

:30:36.:30:37.

painter in Nova Scotia whose artwork becomes wildly successful,

:30:38.:30:41.

despite hostility from her husband, the abusive Everett,

:30:42.:30:45.

It's often beautiful to look at, but makes

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I caught up with Ethan Hawke to find out how Maud Lewis's

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Who told you you could paint fairies on the wall?

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Well, who told you you could do that?

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You said, "Make the place look all right."

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No paint in my boots, no paint in my gear.

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She suffered from juvenile arthritis.

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She was severely mistreated by her own family.

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She lived in absolute poverty and she's one

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of the happiest people you'll ever meet, you know?

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So, in a way, it's a film about happiness?

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Well, it's about the transformative power of joy and how

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this is a woman who, no matter what the surroundings,

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she still noticed that the sun came up and she would put that

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And she never even saw another human being's painting.

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She would see prints of things but she never saw another

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painting her whole life, but she painted roof

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And her husband was this kind of very typical

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of the period misogynist, who really saw the wife as a maid.

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But he started finding that her paintings were selling

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And he slowly began to take her in and see the miracle

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And by the end of his life, he was taking care of her.

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And to play Everett, you have to get inside the character, obviously.

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You walk in a specific way and you talk in a very specific way.

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Sometimes you hardly vocalise at all.

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It's a sense of grunts and wheezes and so forth.

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How much of preparing for the role is about trying to get

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But a lot of it has to do with whether your imagination

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Sometimes I'll read something and I'll know I can't get there.

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I don't know that person, I don't know that world.

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I've been going there a long time and I've taken my kids on fishing

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trips with a lot of these guys and hung out with lobster fishermen

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and I really like these people, and they don't seem unfamiliar

:33:29.:33:32.

Now, you know this is basically a politics show.

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You've spoken a bit about American politics in the past but you've also

:33:40.:33:46.

said recently that you're turning away from politics towards art.

:33:47.:33:48.

I guess presumably because politics always

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My father is primarily a Republican and my mother is a Democrat

:33:51.:33:58.

and I was raised being taught both points of view.

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You know, and I was their kid, right, and I love them both, right?

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And I also grew up in a time period where you would see

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the Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill...

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He would fight with Ronald Reagan but then in an interview would talk

:34:18.:34:20.

about what a good man he was and you would see, you know,

:34:21.:34:23.

big right-wing Republicans speaking openly about what a wonderful

:34:24.:34:27.

This is my childhood I'm talking about, right?

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And I really grew up with this idea of loyal opposition

:34:32.:34:34.

and for democracy to work, there has to be a loyal opposition

:34:35.:34:39.

and I remember people would say, "You run on your differences

:34:40.:34:42.

but you govern where we're united," you know?

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And there was a lot of grown-up behaviour.

:34:49.:34:53.

And what I'm seeing now is just so much behaviour that doesn't have

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Are you saying it's a kind of retreat to tribalism?

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When I made that comment, I didn't imagine the kind

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And I know that it can happen but we have to rely on the grown-ups

:35:10.:35:14.

and I'm seeing myself, like, "Oh, wow, here I am,

:35:15.:35:16.

I'm a father of four," and maybe I wasn't realising that I was one

:35:17.:35:19.

We can't accept people not telling the truth.

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You know, it's funny, because I just keep finding myself

:35:32.:35:35.

thinking about my grandfather, you know - we have nothing

:35:36.:35:37.

to fear but fear itself - and how he used to talk

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about all this and you would never have placed your identity

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One of the things that's wonderful...

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I just saw this movie Dunkirk and one of the wonderful...

:35:49.:35:50.

To feel the national pride of England...

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And for me, whose grandfather was a World War II veteran

:35:53.:36:03.

and I think that that common enemy created a united...

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My grandfather never thought of himself as a Republican

:36:06.:36:07.

or Democrat, he was an American, part of the great

:36:08.:36:10.

I think that part of why a person like Donald Trump could get

:36:11.:36:16.

into power is cos a lot of good Republican people, their priority

:36:17.:36:19.

As long as she lost, it felt like a victory

:36:20.:36:23.

It reminded me of kids in our high school who hated our principal

:36:24.:36:30.

so much they thought it would help to vandalise the school.

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What helps is getting involved and not caring about who wins

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So I feel upset, much more so than when you speak

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But good art does speak to politics by just being about people.

:36:48.:36:52.

Ethan Hawke, it's been great talking to you.

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And Maudie, with Sally Hawkins in another mesmerising role,

:36:55.:37:05.

opens in cinemas across the country on Friday the 4th of August.

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If the first round of Brexit talks in Brussels have been

:37:11.:37:13.

tough and gruelling, it hasn't dampened the spirits

:37:14.:37:15.

of the International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

:37:16.:37:16.

He's in the US for talks about a possible free trade deal,

:37:17.:37:19.

which can be discussed but not signed until after Brexit.

:37:20.:37:24.

America is already the UK's second-largest

:37:25.:37:27.

trading partner, though we currently export more

:37:28.:37:29.

So when I spoke to Dr Fox from Washington earlier, I asked him

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whether we might see more American goods and services

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We actually have a trade surplus with the United States

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As you say our trade is worth about ?167 billion.

:37:41.:37:47.

We have done some internal work that reckons it could be worth another

:37:48.:37:53.

40 billion in that by 2030 if we are able to remove

:37:54.:37:56.

That will be a difficult discussion, all FTA discussions are to one

:37:57.:38:02.

extent or another, but we've got great support from the United States

:38:03.:38:05.

and the administration as well as Congress to help push

:38:06.:38:08.

The kind of thing we could get out of this in terms of people

:38:09.:38:14.

watching the programme, consumers, is cheaper food

:38:15.:38:16.

Of course agriculture is always a very difficult issue.

:38:17.:38:21.

Pretty much in any free trade agreement that has ever been done,

:38:22.:38:25.

the last chapter to get agreed, as we are finding with Japan

:38:26.:38:28.

at the present time and the EU, is agriculture, but we'll

:38:29.:38:31.

want to look at a whole range of other things on financial

:38:32.:38:34.

services for example and other parts of the service economy.

:38:35.:38:38.

Right, let me turn to the big area of discussion with Britain recently,

:38:39.:38:42.

which has been transition arrangements with the EU

:38:43.:38:44.

You were talking yourself of these being weeks or months,

:38:45.:38:50.

and then suddenly you have fallen into line with the rest

:38:51.:38:53.

of the Cabinet and said no, a two-year transition period

:38:54.:38:55.

as the Chancellor wants would be completely acceptable.

:38:56.:38:58.

Is that the furthest ambition, I mean is it two years and not a day

:38:59.:39:02.

Well, first of all, I'm actually more clear

:39:03.:39:11.

the European Union is the right decision for the UK.

:39:12.:39:15.

I think I'm more certain than that then even I was at the time

:39:16.:39:19.

of the referendum, and I think that's because our economy

:39:20.:39:21.

Our foreign direct investment's at a record level.

:39:22.:39:25.

We've seen our economy continue to grow with record employment

:39:26.:39:28.

and falling unemployment, rising confidence among our

:39:29.:39:31.

manufacturers, so it seems to me we should go into this with a great

:39:32.:39:35.

And I want to leave the European Union at

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Once we have done that, once we've fulfilled our promise

:39:40.:39:47.

to the British people, we can look to see what we're

:39:48.:39:49.

going to do in terms of making that a smooth transition

:39:50.:39:52.

for our businesses, to give them maximum certainty

:39:53.:39:54.

And frankly, having waited for over 40 years to leave

:39:55.:39:59.

the European Union, 24 months would be a rounding error.

:40:00.:40:03.

Whether that's 23, whether that's 25, it's not a huge deal and nor

:40:04.:40:07.

It's about the practical issues we would face,

:40:08.:40:12.

about getting for example any new immigration system

:40:13.:40:15.

into place, getting any new customs system into place.

:40:16.:40:19.

That's a practical issue and I think we would want to get it out

:40:20.:40:23.

I don't think people would want to have it dragging on,

:40:24.:40:31.

but I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a transition that

:40:32.:40:33.

I think that's what businesses would want us to have in Britain

:40:34.:40:38.

and I think that's actually what our investors abroad

:40:39.:40:40.

So, any transition period, in your view, must end

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by the time of the next British general election?

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I think we would have to be very clear that it was time-limited

:40:47.:40:50.

and it was limited in its scope, we knew exactly what

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For example, would we be able to negotiate our

:40:53.:40:56.

own trade agreements during that transition period?

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Because if we were not, then we wouldn't be able to take

:40:59.:41:01.

full advantage of the freedoms available to us when we leave

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So there's a lot of discussion to be had, but I don't think there's any

:41:04.:41:08.

great ideological blockage on the concept of the transitional

:41:09.:41:10.

or an implementation period, as I would rather put it.

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So, it could be three more years in your view

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The reason I'm pushing this point is that during that period,

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we could still be paying into the EU, we could

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still be under the ECJ, we could still be accepting,

:41:25.:41:26.

to all intents and purposes, being inside the single market

:41:27.:41:29.

rather than alongside it, and to a lot of people that

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And you know very well there are people around

:41:32.:41:38.

who want to use the transition period as a way of trying to subvert

:41:39.:41:41.

That is why I think it's imperative that we leave the European Union

:41:42.:41:46.

first and then any implementation period is done voluntarily

:41:47.:41:52.

alongside the European Union to minimise any disruption.

:41:53.:41:55.

Looking at the last couple of weeks, particularly in the last week

:41:56.:41:58.

at Michel Barnier's body language and what he has said

:41:59.:42:01.

about our negotiating position, it seems to me that the politics

:42:02.:42:04.

are beginning to get in the way, as it were.

:42:05.:42:06.

Are you worried about the tone coming out of the EU?

:42:07.:42:09.

I don't think anybody has ever thought that the separation

:42:10.:42:15.

issues between Britain and the European Union would be

:42:16.:42:17.

easy, they are very complex, and clearly there's a lot of passion

:42:18.:42:20.

The second part of the negotiation, which will begin when enough

:42:21.:42:28.

progress has been made on the first part, will be about our future

:42:29.:42:31.

trading relationship and I get an increasing number of not only

:42:32.:42:35.

British but European businesses who say we need to keep an open

:42:36.:42:38.

and comprehensive trading agreement when we get to that part

:42:39.:42:42.

Otherwise Europe will become less competitive in a global context

:42:43.:42:48.

and sometimes I think the debate is being conducted as though Europe

:42:49.:42:51.

One of the things that EU negotiators say again

:42:52.:42:56.

and again and again, particularly in private,

:42:57.:42:58.

is that they are not sure who is actually in charge

:42:59.:43:00.

Until we have settled the question of who is going to be Prime Minister

:43:01.:43:06.

throughout the period and into the next election,

:43:07.:43:08.

they find it very difficult to know how to negotiate.

:43:09.:43:11.

Is it not time for the Conservatives to think again about who your leader

:43:12.:43:14.

is going to be as we go through this process?

:43:15.:43:16.

That's not the impression I get from talking to other European partners.

:43:17.:43:20.

We made very clear our position, the Prime Minister set it out

:43:21.:43:24.

That's not changed, we have been making that clear

:43:25.:43:28.

in all the meetings both in Europe and beyond that the Government's

:43:29.:43:31.

position is the same, that we believe we will be able

:43:32.:43:34.

to get our legislation through Parliament.

:43:35.:43:36.

We have got a working majority now in the House of Commons.

:43:37.:43:39.

When most of our European partners are discussing with us,

:43:40.:43:41.

they're very used to having minority governments themselves.

:43:42.:43:45.

Would you like to see Theresa May remain as Prime Minister

:43:46.:43:47.

Liam Fox, thank you very much for talking to us.

:43:48.:43:54.

Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Leader, believes he can become

:43:55.:44:00.

That depends, of course, on a Tory meltdown in Parliament.

:44:01.:44:03.

But what would it mean for the British economy

:44:04.:44:05.

and our negotiations to leave the European Union?

:44:06.:44:07.

Hugh got a reputation as a straight talker, clear answers. There was one

:44:08.:44:21.

situation in which you won't give a clear answer. When you're asked if

:44:22.:44:24.

you would like to lease Ilsley the single mother, you can't tell us.

:44:25.:44:28.

The single market is dependent on membership of the EU. What we've

:44:29.:44:32.

said all along as we tariff free access to the European market. But

:44:33.:44:36.

to be absolutely crystal clear, we leave the European single market.

:44:37.:44:43.

The two things are in link to. So the question is, the kind of trade

:44:44.:44:46.

relations in the future and we've made it very clear we want a tariff

:44:47.:44:50.

free trade access with the European market. Some of your colleagues have

:44:51.:44:55.

also made it clear that to get that we would have to accept some version

:44:56.:44:58.

of free movement of people once we've left the EU, a different free

:44:59.:45:02.

movement of people, but some kind of free movement of people. I think we

:45:03.:45:06.

made that clear during the election, that quite clearly there are a lot

:45:07.:45:10.

of British people working in Europe, a lot of your people in this

:45:11.:45:14.

country. We would do two things, one is going to the rights of EU

:45:15.:45:18.

nationals to remain here, including a writer family reunion, and we will

:45:19.:45:21.

expect the same to be done across Europe. And obviously, skills are

:45:22.:45:25.

needed on both sides of the channel. Look at any major company in

:45:26.:45:29.

Britain, they require European skills, as they do British schools

:45:30.:45:31.

on their side. BMW and many others. To get full access to the single

:45:32.:45:42.

market we accept those free movement of people from the EU coming to us

:45:43.:45:47.

and vice versa. It will be managed on the basis of work required. But

:45:48.:45:52.

it would not be stopping people on board? There would be European

:45:53.:45:57.

workers in Britain and Britain workers in Europe, there wouldn't be

:45:58.:46:02.

wholesale importation of underpaid workers from central Europe in order

:46:03.:46:07.

to destroy conditions, particularly in the construction industry. So how

:46:08.:46:13.

do you stop that under your plan? You prevent agencies recruiting

:46:14.:46:17.

wholesale workforces, you advertise for jobs in the locality first. To

:46:18.:46:23.

be clear, you don't stop people coming from Latvia or Poland, you

:46:24.:46:27.

don't stop them at the airport or the border. They come here on the

:46:28.:46:33.

basis of the jobs available and their skill set. What we wouldn't

:46:34.:46:37.

allow is this practice by agencies, who are quite disgraceful in the way

:46:38.:46:42.

they do it, recruit workforce low-paid and bring them here in

:46:43.:46:45.

order to dismiss an existing workforce and construction industry

:46:46.:46:52.

and pay them low wages, it is appalling. Would you allow everybody

:46:53.:46:59.

who wanted to come here to come or stop them at airports? As I said, it

:47:00.:47:04.

would be on the basis of economic skills required. So for example if

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we don't need any more plumbers, you can go home. The need for nurses is

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huge and we now have a problem of a shortage of nurses because of Polish

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nurses who have either got -- gone home or are not coming. So if there

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were Polish plumbers and we decided we had enough in our country, would

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they be stopped and told to go home again or allowed in any way? We

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would look at the situation on the basis of job and skill needs. This

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is your current thinking that we could stay inside the customs union

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or we would have to leave it entirely? I am looking to do an

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agreement with the European Union on tariff-free trade access and of

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course on trade relations with the rest of the world. The EU have said

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quite clearly, and I think quite rightly, that they would only do

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trade agreements, new trade agreements with countries that sign

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up to the Paris climate change. President Trump has they wish to

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leave it which calls into question this Government's strategy on a

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one-off trade deal with the United States, which sounds awfully like

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the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership to me. Coming

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back to the Rebecca Long-Bailey remark about having your cake and

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eat it, there is a choice to be made. Inside the customs union we

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would have more access to European markets, so basically which side of

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the fence do you jump? We have to make a judgment, we haven't jumped

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on either side of the fence but the customs union is part of the

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European Union. We could have a bespoke trade arrangement with the

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European Union which says we would have broadly similar trade

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arrangements with other parts of the world. Personally I would want to

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strengthen the human rights element which is there, I would want to see

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that stronger. There's also an environmental elements such as

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methods of production which I would want to strengthen, so there are

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areas I would want to go further than the European Union on trade

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conditions. A lot of people watching are trying to work out if Jeremy

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Corbyn is going to save them from Brexit and it sounds like that's not

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your view. You were brought up under the influence of Tony Benn who

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always saw the EU as a kind of bankers' conspiracy, he was

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fundamentally against it, are you? I was against the principles of a lot

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of the free market points of the European Union, hence my

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disagreement with the Maastricht Treaty, and what Margaret Thatcher

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was doing which was essentially to promote a deregulated free market

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across Europe. Social Europe strongly supported them. I have

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probably been in the European Parliament in Brussels are numerous

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times over many years discussing those very issues. I campaigned for

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a Remain vote on the basis of protecting those rights and

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conditions but they could not continue to oppose state industry. I

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wanted to see a regulated market. However the referendum is what it

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is, we have that call now, I want to see a positive partnership

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relationship with Europe in the future. A lot of people in this

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country are burdened by high levels of debt because of student loans

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they had to take out and you said shortly before the election, "I will

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deal with it". What did you mean by that? It was in the context of an

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interview I did with the new musical express and the Independent. I

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recognised it was a huge burden and I didn't make a commitment to write

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it off because we couldn't at that stage. We had written the manifesto

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in a short space of time because it was a surprise election, but we

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would look at ways of reducing the debt burden, recognising quite a lot

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of it will never be collected anyway, and try to reduce... But the

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point we absolutely made was that we were just -- that we would abolish

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debt from the time we came into power. But if you are a young voter

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and you heard those words, I will deal with it, you might have thought

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Jeremy Corbyn will relieve me of my debt, but you won't? I said we will

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try to reduce the burden of it, I never said we would completely

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abolish it because we were unaware of the size of that time -- at that

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time. John McDonnell is looking at this policy and we will be making a

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statement which will set out our plans on it for the future. I must

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move on to BBC pay. You will have seen the letter from my female

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colleagues to the BBC's director-general, what is your

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message to the BBC about that? I would sign the letter with them. The

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BBC needs to look very hard at itself. The treatment of older women

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I think is very important but also the gender pay gap is appalling. We

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would insist on a strong gender pay audit of every organisation and we

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would also look at a 20-1 ratio between the chief executive and the

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lowest paid staff. The BBC is very much public sector. The ratio might

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have a big effect on actors like Benedict Cumberbatch who at the

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moment licence payers want to see in top-level dramas made by the BBC,

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would the 20-1 pay ratio affects people like that? If he's employed

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directly by the BBC, yes, otherwise it is a contractual matter between

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the BBC and someone else. I support the renewal of the charter. I think

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it needs to look at itself because the levels of pay are quite

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astronomical. The pay gap rather is astronomical. And do you think there

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needs to be more legislation on the pay gap across the piste?

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Absolutely, we need to have the gender pay audit done, we need a

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strong imposition of equal pay legislation. There's about 20%

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gender pay gap in Britain but there's also the question of

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promotion of women and it's not just at the top level. What about those

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working in the national Health Service, in local government, in

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small companies where the women know they are being paid less than a man

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doing more or less equally the same job? That's the area of

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discrimination that is so serious within our society and often the

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loss of women's career progression opportunities when they take time

:54:18.:54:22.

out to have children in their late 20s or 30s, they come back and find

:54:23.:54:27.

a man they were working alongside a year before has shot up the scale

:54:28.:54:33.

and they are left behind. It has been said on BBC's Westminster hour

:54:34.:54:38.

that people from your constituency went to Tony Blair and said Jeremy

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Corbyn is always rebelling against the leadership, we want to deselect

:54:43.:54:48.

him, and Tony Blair said no, we are broad church. In the same spirit,

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will you call off the dogs? The selection process is done by party

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members. Yes, I was challenged during that period for reselection

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and obviously I was reselected on all of those occasions by the

:55:06.:55:09.

members of the party. There was a trigger ballots, there was a vote, I

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was reselected. So there is no great thank you to Tony Blair on that one?

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I have no idea if this conversation took place, and I don't see why

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people should go to the party leader and say we want to influence what's

:55:25.:55:29.

going on in the constituency. The whole point of democracy is that the

:55:30.:55:34.

people decide. Can you really become Prime Minister within six months,

:55:35.:55:38.

and how would that possibly happen? We will challenge this Government at

:55:39.:55:45.

every turn. We have changed the agenda, changed the debate on

:55:46.:55:50.

economy, on education, and so many other things. We are forcing them

:55:51.:55:54.

all the way. I don't believe it is sustainable for this Government to

:55:55.:56:00.

give money to the DUP to stay in office. It is unsustainable and I'm

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looking forward to another election and I'm ready for it. I'm not sure

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the rest of us are! No, but I am! Now a look at what's coming up

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straight after this programme. We ask, should we be flying less?

:56:13.:56:22.

And a female doctor Who, advertisers being warned about gender

:56:23.:56:27.

stereotypes, are we getting too politically correct? Join us at ten.

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We're almost out of time for today and we're off on our holidays.

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We'll be back here on BBC One on Sunday 3rd September.

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Until then, we leave you with a legendary

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Broadway performer, currently playing another legend

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Audra McDonald is starring as the great Billie Holiday

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in the play Lady Day At Emmerson's Bar And Grill.

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To perform Lady Day's signature song, Audra's here this morning

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# But God bless the child that's got his own

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# But God bless the child that's got his own

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