20/02/2014 The Papers


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We will be looking ahead to a big weekend of Six Nations action, with


England facing Ireland at Twickenham.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing


us tomorrow. With me are Anne Ashworth, assistant editor at the


Times, and Andrew Harrison, contributing editor at Esquire


magazine. Let's take you through some of the headlines in brief. The


Independent's headline is a bloodbath in Kiev, with an image of


Independence Square, the scene of much of the violence between police


and protesters. The Telegraph's front-page photo is taken in the


thick of the action. Ukraine's bloodiest day. The Guardian uses the


same headline. It is accompanied by a stark picture of bodies of


protesters that the paper claims were killed today. Another image of


Independence Square on the front of the times. It says Ukraine is on the


brink of civil war. The UK's floods dominate the Daily Mail's


front-page, on the day the Met Office describe this winter as the


wettest on record. The paper claims the organisation is under fire for


predicting drier than usual conditions. The Express leads with


claims that statins are the route to living longer. Some very stark,


harrowing images coming from Ukraine. Quite clearly, some papers


have decided to be blunt with their pictures and blunt with their


headlines about what's going on. Some of the most sombre front pages


I've seen for a long time. People showing you very graphic images of


bloodshed, bodies laid out. A country careering towards a Civil


War. In carnage. These are really powerful images and stories. When we


talk about a Civil War, as Bridget Kendall was explaining this evening,


we are looking at a country that could be split up. There's talk of


very pro-Russia Crimea threatening to break away. The sanctions coming


in, the billionaires are flooding out of the country. There is an


excellent piece in the Times by Roger boys, pointing out that their


rock Ardron provocateurs suspected of being around, professional


snipers being around. It has gone incredibly nasty. NEETs almost over


a 24 hour period. There was a lull and then today it has been bloodier


than ever, with a huge amount of fatalities. What really spells it


out is the front page of the Guardian. A shocking picture of some


of the bodies of protesters laid out, in what the Guardian describes


as Ukraine's bloodiest day. The age of those protesters does vary. It's


obviously hard to tell, but there is clearly a very young man lying among


the dead. It demonstrates the picture editor's dilemma. You have


to tell the story but at some point the story is too grotesque to tell.


I'm sure this is not the worst photograph they have. It is


exceedingly harrowing. The detail on the living surrounding these bodies,


the expressions you can see, tells a story all of its own. It's


incredibly distressing to read. It's fair to say that a lot of people in


Britain thought this was something happening far away, another riot, a


former Soviet Union. Now it seems very real and on our doorstep. We've


got to know Ukraine very well, it was one of the host nations of Euro


2012, a lot of Ukrainians living here in Britain. It's become a


holiday destination for many Brits. But there will be people confused


because we had the Orange Revolution, it got its independence,


it started off on a new future, so people will be confused about why


this is happening. Presumably, what a lot of analysts are saying is we


are looking at the very young country that is still struggling to


find its identity. And doesn't want -- know whether it wants to be a


dependency of Russia become part of a greater EU. This is a country that


used to be quite vibrant economically. It has seen countries


like Poland really race ahead of it in the economic field. So they are


wondering which path to take. Back to mother Russia or into the embrace


of the EU? Over the next few days we will be asking, has the EU acted in


a timely enough manner? There's a lot of frantic diplomacy happening


this evening in Kiev, even as we speak some kind of road map to


peace, we don't quite know what it is, is being discussed. What do you


think we will see happen in the next few weeks? I think it would be a


very rash person to predict. One thing we are clear about is Vladimir


Putin has played a very wise hand. He's been very clear about what he


wants. We, in the democracies, because the EU is a conglomeration


of states with different interests and you have to herd cats... It's


like 3-dimensional chess. To go back to the peace in the Times, I would


encourage everybody to read it. On the BBC News website there is a


brilliant 62nd explanation of what's happening in the Ukraine. In other


stories, a bit closer to home, the Guardian, proposals to charge for


benefits appeals have been revealed in a leak. This would be people who


been stripped of benefits that want to appeal. They may have to pay


charges for it. 50% of these appeals succeed. How does that work out? If


you've got a charge for making an appeal and it succeeds, do you still


pay the charge? Do you still pay for the appeal if it is successful? It's


a leaked proposal. I think someone has flown a kite and the kite has


got out of the room. The proposal is you would pay upfront for the right


to appeal. We don't know whether you would get your money back if you win


the appeal. According to the leaked document, its 200 to lodge a claim,


depending on the type of case being brought forward. It doesn't explain


if you get that money back or not. For employment tribunal is that is


already in effect. I find it astonishing, the idea that we are


sanctioning people for their benefits. Almost 60% of them are


finding that the sanction was unfair, so the Government wants to


bring in a charge simply, in a very crude way, to stop them appealing.


It's being done in the hope that the numbers of independent tribunal 's


will be decimated if the Government introduced a charge. It seems rather


unfair. And there could be a lot of appeals. But then 58% of appeals


challenging benefit claims have been successful in recent months. Let's


move on to the Telegraph. This was going to happen, it was beginning to


brew during the floods. The front of the Daily Telegraph headline is, the


worst flood damage could have been prevented. The buck. At the Prime


Minister. But there's going to be a lot of people needing to answer a


lot of questions. The blame game is happening big-time. This article is


all about maybe when there was building on areas that could flood,


it should have been done in a certain kind of way with things like


the electricity sockets being further up the wall. Somehow that


doesn't seem to have been done. Who is to blame? Is it the planning


authorities, the developers, is it that nobody realised these were the


regulations that should have been in place? Also, the wider concern that


so many of these new properties in flood affected areas will be


uninsurable. It is talking about flood prevention and flood


management. It is interesting to me that the experts in this open letter


to the Telegraph talk about a complete re-think of the planning


system and they talk about measures such as replanting forests in the


upper reaches of rivers and sustain sustainable drainage. This is left


wing and it is in the Telegraph. Very interesting. A bit late in the


day. If everybody knew what needed to be done to prevent the scenes and


the... That we have seen in the last few weeks, why weren't they saying


it before? I think a lot were before. The cuts were brought in and


the money not made available. The other frightening thing is a lot of


the areas under water, particularly along the River Thames have been


marked as places to build more houses as well. Who would want to


live there now? You cannot wish away floods. You can manage water. You


have to look at it on a large, holistic scale. Moving plugs up the


wall is great, but it will not save your house. We stay with the Daily


Telegraph. Just under the flooding story - Labour pledge may leave us


in the dark. Energy suppliers not happy about political interference.


I am just astounded by this. It seems to be that the cost of living


campaign, being led by Mr Miliband, may end up leaving us in the dark.


Well, I take this as a man who runs a power company which makes ?571


million profit from customers. Well he would say that, wouldn't he? It


was less than last year though. Uncertainty is the enemy of


investment. Isn't it some kind of certainty? He knows what framework


he's in. A Conservative or a Government which may... What is the


argument there? Energy companies say it is more expensive to produce


energy and they have to produce more environmentally-friendly ways of


doing that and it costs money. And they are not going to get the


investment or so they are threatening if the City, if the


finance industry sees these companies and there's insecure


investment, they will not get the money they need to build new power


stations and make the changes they need to.


We are going to stay with the Daily Telegraph, but Scotland's version of


the Daily Telegraph, a different front-page story. The headline,


"Wake up to the threat to economy," sol Alex Salmond is told. He was


told that if it becomes an independent country. He's been


battered this week, hasn't he, Mr Salmond. Suddenly all the big guns


have turned on this guy. This is a threat to jobs. Companies we


associate with Scotland not wishing to be based there. We have seen the


TSB move its HQ and there is a suggestion in this story that


Standard Life, that great assurer we associate with north of the border


could be thinking of taking the road south. It is early days yet, though


Anne. There is a way to go before the vote. It is interesting to me


that the truths be told, the more it seems to strengthen the "yes" vote.


The yes block seems to reject hard logic like this and treat it as


bluff and bluster and bullying from George Osborne. Those of us who want


to see the retaining of the United Kingdom... Stay with us, Scotland,


as David Bowie said. It says cyberpeople message David Bowie. If


he says that, it is good enough from me. He got stick from a small pop


star and terribly unfair. It only means if we are having this now, it


means it will become a very interesting referendum. You will


both be back with me at 11. 30pm. Thank you to my guests. They will


sifting through the papers to bring you more at 11. 30pm. Coming up at


11pm, we'll have the latest on the crisis in Ukraine. Coming up next


though - Sportsday. Stay with us. Hello. Welcome to Sportsday, with Mr


John Watson. Here's what's on the way. Great


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