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impressive target of 304 runs. And we will show with the goals from

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England's women's victory in the Cyprus Cup. That is all in Sportsday

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in 15 minutes after the papers. Hello there and welcome to our

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lookahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With Wii

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broadcaster Daisy McAndrew and Owen Jones, author and columnist. -- with

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me are. Starting with the Telegraph, middle-class Britons have reaped the

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most benefits from immigration, but working class people have not. The

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Financial Times says the Bank of England is embroiled in the

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allegations over foreign exchange manipulation. A warning over sugar

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is the lead on the front page of the Daily Mail. And the Guardian leads

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on the Ukraine, saying Western attempts to force Moscow to back

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down are bailing. Finally, the Daily Mirror focuses on bankers' bonuses,

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which it says are sparking more fury. We will start with the

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Guardian, deadlock as Russia digs in over Crimea, US making unacceptable

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ultimatums as talks to resolve the crisis falter. William Hague has

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been speaking this evening, he said no-one has budged on their position.

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I would imagine deadlock is a word we will be seeing a lot more of in

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the next few days over the situation in Crimea. And the reason there is

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deadlock is Russia, for example, is denying they have invaded Crimea,

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they are claiming these are autonomous self defence squads who

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have sprung up and are defending Russian speaking people within

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Crimea. I think the problem is, though, is that it is complex.

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Russia have clearly invaded Ukraine, despite their claims, and are

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exploiting a crisis on the ground. But a democratically elected

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government which abused Ian Wright has been overthrown and replaced by

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a government which includes far right extremists. -- which abused

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human rights. There was an attempt to ban Russian as a official

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language, which caused real fear among the Russian minority. There

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has to be guarantees in any deal for the Russian minority, the right for

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Crimea to determine its own future. It was gifted, if you like, to

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Ukraine. That is not to say that most Russian speakers want to join

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Russia, that is not the case, but that has to be settled. And there

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have to be free elections in Ukraine to actually have a proper

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representative government. There were attempts to ban political

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parties in Ukraine following the uprising which took place. It is a

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very divided country, divided between West and East, and it is

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difficult to see not just how we can get peace between Russia and

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Ukraine, but peace within Ukraine. I agree that the situation is much

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more complex than the headlines would lead us to believe, it is not

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as simple as saying Russia is the bogeyman, the baddie, that were

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Ukrainians are being bullied by Russia. It is more complex. Although

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most of us might not understand that, all the people around those

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tables do understand. All the politicians understand that, John

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Kerry understands, David Cameron understands, and yet they are not

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getting anywhere with these negotiations, which must mean that

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somebody is not budging. And it does look like it is President Putin who

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is not budging on anything. Today we have just seen a rash of phone calls

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and photo opportunities, and you know, we have had Merkel and Putin

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and Obama and Cameron, they have all been at it, and we have had the

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meeting in Paris, and tonight we still seem to be no further forward.

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Yes, talking about the possibility that it is the Russians who are not

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budging, clearly the West is digging its heels in as well. There was an

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agreement back in February that would have potentially stopped all

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this happening, but we're not in a time machine, we cannot go back, but

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there was an agreement just before Yanukovych was kicked out of power

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or deposed, that would have changed the constitution and would have made

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elections happen before the end of May. If the opponents of Yanukovych

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had got their way, we may not be in this mess, and yet the West doesn't

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want to go back to that agreement - the Russians do. Yes, but we can

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understand why they do, but of course everything has changed since

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then, and we are all in agreement that the previous Ukrainian

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government was no great shakes, it was violating human rights. So

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everything has changed, but where we go from here, apart from the sabre

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rattling and that their baiting is difficult to see. It is an awkward

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situation in the sense that, if you like, Russia have got themselves in

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a position where, in terms of their rhetoric, they are saying, we are

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trying to defend an elected government that was overthrown by

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force, whilst the West are supporting it. An elected government

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that seemed to be murdering its own people. Democracy does, you know, if

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you are violating your own citizens, that is something

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different, it is undemocratic. I agree, there was clearly terrible

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repression which took place at attacks on human rights, but police

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officers were violently killed as well. This was not a peaceful

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uprising, there was violence on both sides, and the West has got itself

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in an order situation where it has supported a democratically elected

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government, and it did the same in Egypt as well. From the perspective

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of Russia, they would argue, you have violated international in

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Iraq, Israel violates international law in Palestine, Saudi Arabia

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invaded Bahrain. If we are going to talk about international being

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consistently upheld, those issues have to be addressed, because at the

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moment it seems international law is used to attack your opponent when it

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is inconvenient for you. It is the ultimate political cliche, but two

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wrongs don't make a right. You cannot start and picking the last

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ten years of international relations. We need to address the

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issue, because this is symptomatic of the fact that the international

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has broken down, international is not consistently upheld, and we will

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get more crises unless it is addressed. This is why this is going

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to take a long time to sort out, folks! We will sort out the world in

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the paper review! Let's go on to the Daily Telegraph, Daisy, middle-class

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people are being blamed for migration, apparently. This is a

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speech that James Brokenshire, the new Conservative immigration

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minister, will be making tomorrow or this week, and clearly he is going

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to be coming down, as the Tory party tends to do, had on immigration, but

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he is particularly going to side himself with working-class Brits,

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working-class voters, you could fill in the dots, and say that one of the

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problems with immigration is that the middle classes benefit from

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immigration, both by employing cheap labour, either in their house, as we

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might remember his predecessor did, and that is the reason why his

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predecessor was kicked out of office, for illegally employing an

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immigrant who did not have the right to work. But apparently the middle

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class are demanding cheaper labour, they are not just... Their action is

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setting the market rate, and as a result only some were Romanian or

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whatever, that is the contention, who was willing to work for it. As

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with so many political stories, this is much more to do with the way

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people feel than the reality. I think what the message really is is

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that working-class people or people on a lower income feel more

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threatened by immigrants than the middle classes, and not only do they

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feel more threatened because these people are taking their jobs, but

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they look at the middle classes and see they are benefiting, and that is

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why they are pro-immigration. Personally, I don't believe a word

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of it, and I think it is blatant electioneering. UKIP could have

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written that. I do not like the phraseology, blamed for migration,

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like blamed for crime. There are concerns about immigration, but most

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people would say, actually, it has enriched our society, there have

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been many positives that we all take for granted. And count opposing

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middle class and working class, a lot of working-class people are

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immigrants or former immigrants, those cleaning the toilets of Tory

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ministers, in that case illegally so. The fact is, firstly, we never

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hear the positives like the fact that our NHS is propped up by

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immigrants nurses and doctors, and a lot of social problems in society,

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often wind up scapegoating immigrants. So for example, the

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failure of successive governments to build another housing to meet

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needs, people go, not enough housing, why is it going to

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immigrants? It is the same with wages, wages have been falling

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because of minimum wage being allowed to fall in real terms, weak

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unions, globalisation, and immigrants get scapegoated for it.

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It is quite convenient for politicians of all stripes to say,

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not us, these problems are not our fault. But peoples concerns are very

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real, and they do feel this, and rightly or only in many people's

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opinion, there is a sense that there are too many people coming. That is

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exactly the point, they do feel it, and although it is an helpful for us

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to be agreeing... It is not an helpful! People feel threatened

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because politicians and certain sections of the media are constantly

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telling them things that neither of us believe are true. Tomorrow he

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will be saying that they push house prices up and push wages down -

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they, immigrants. It is a load of rubbish! The evidence we have is

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that a report that has been concealed and not released. It is

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just being fine tuned, Daisy, please! They get more money in taxes

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from immigrants than they pay out in benefits. These headlines do not

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help, they are relentlessly negative, they only include extreme

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examples which are negative to make people's blood boil. The Telegraph

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says British women have been crowned the Queens of leisure. 27 minutes a

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day spent watching telly. At least! Repaint our nails and read magazines

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and do nothing all day. It says so in the Telegraph. How long do those

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nails take? If you could see how chips they are, you would realise! I

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spend hours on mine. This is funnily enough a good news story. The OECD

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is comparing countries. We should be proud of the fact that our women

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seem to have so much leisure time. I must say, British women are beaten

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by British men, who have even more. Of course. This report also says, in

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a possible blow to national pride, that no matter how they might think

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of themselves as new men, British men have been overtaken by their

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counterparts in France in terms of pulling their weight around the

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house. So even Frenchmen are better than us? They do more hoovering.

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Then something is clearly going wrong. I am surprised at this,

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because we do work some of the longest hours in Europe in this

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country. But not as productive as we should be. And we do have longer

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holidays. No, we have less bank holidays than a lot of other

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countries. But we have longer weeks off work from our jobs. We do more

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unpaid overtime than a lot of other countries. That is worth aliens to

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employers. Voices are saying yes, we do, in my earpiece. Dickensian ways

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at the BBC! Exactly. We will not go into that any further. 106 minutes

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watching TV? Who has time for that 's women! Don't you multitask

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mother? You watch TV while doing your e-mails. Facebook stalking, is

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that work or leisure? Because we multitask, we save up that extra

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free time. Let's quickly go to the Daily Mail. Cut your sugar intake by

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half. Children should not be having fizzy drinks. My biggest achievement

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last year was halving the amount of sugar I have in my tea, so I am

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ahead of the curve. This is fascinating. They are arguing that

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all this idea that fat is the problem and that you should stick to

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a low-fat diet, when actually, obesity has been going up. So they

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have gone, maybe that is not why we have this problem. So they are

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suggesting that sugar intake is the issue. It is surprising because, I

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am quoting statistics from the Daily Mail, wow! Well, that is fair

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enough, because it is the paper we are talking about. They say no more

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than 60 spoons for a child. We think one banana has seven teaspoons of

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sugar in it -- no more than six teaspoons for a child. If you are

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child, you have your daily recommended guidelines. This is a

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serious issue, because sugars are often completely disguised. Daisy,

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are you working on this with your kids? All the time. If you look

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further into this report, it is about obesity and health issues, but

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they say the number-1 health issue is into care. How long have we been

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saying, don't have so many sweets or your teeth will fall out to our

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children? Distil the case, do -- dental care is a real problem . But

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how exhausted as everybody at the moment? This morning, we were being

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told you must not do the high protein diets because of this

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Californian report that says you will get cancer. Now we are told

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that the low-fat diet is bad for you. Now it is sugar, so it is

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exhausting. What are you supposed to actually eat? It is a simple rule,

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variety and moderation. And on that Michelle... It is a kind of Jerry

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Springer and to the programme. Wise words. You will both be back in an

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hour to look at more of the stories behind the headlines. Stay with us

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on BBC News, because at 11 o'clock, we will have the latest on the

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diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis in Ukraine and get a report

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from our world affairs editor John Simpson, who is in Sevastopol in

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Crimea. Now, time for Sportsday. Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm

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