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1 driver. And, all the latest injuries from Rafael Nadal and David


Weir. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead


to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. Joining me


from Glasgow is Richard Walker, editor of the Sunday Herald, and in


the studio I am joined by Tourcuil Crichton, Westminster editor of the


Daily Record. Tomorrow's front pages, starting with the Daily


Telegraph, which says the PM could give grandparents who look after


children the same rights to paid leave as parents, if they've become


primary carers. The Financial Times gives details of the multi`million


pound fine the government's had to pay for the early termination of a


contract with an American company providing the electronic border


control system. The Guardian leads on the same story, calling it a


fiasco. The paper also says female bosses earn more than a third less


than their male counterparts. The Daily Mail also goes with border


issues. It claims that 20 million people arrive or leave without


proper checks. The Times has a different lead. It claims that


nearly half of GPs give patient antibiotics to get them out of the


surgery door. The Daily Mirror takes a different perspective on Iraq,


with one former SAS soldier calling for jihadists to be dealt with in


Iraq before they reach Britain. With a month to go until the Scottish


Referendum, The Scotsman says Alex Salmond is drumming up Yes votes by


echoing a declaration once made by Robert the Bruce. And the Herald


pictures the Scottish First Minister taking aim on the bowling green.


It's lead story says he's attacking those people who are questioning his


currency proposals. We will talk about all the latest twists and


turns over the debate in Scotland. First, we will start with the Daily


Mirror. SAS must wipe out British jihadists, as they will return to


the UK and cause comment. This warning comes from Chris Ryan, a


former SAS man. Will it be that easy? It is clearly not going to be


that easy. This is a mess largely of our own making. There is no public


support for boots on the ground, as it is termed. But there was very


little public support last time and look what happened. I think we have


to be cynical about our leaders who tell us that they are not going to


put troops in, because we have a long history of doing just that.


David Cameron, not so long ago, was telling us that the main thrust of


our efforts in Iraq would be humanitarian. That is clearly no


longer the case. We have already had such Villa so`called mission creep,


how much more will we have? I think it would be disastrous to send


troops in again. There was no strategy of what we wanted to


achieve their last time, and we have no strategy now for what our


long`term aims are apart from the admittedly laudable aim of stopping


slaughter. The Daily Mirror and its front page with Chris Ryan, he is


talking about special forces, SAS. We know, or we understand, that


there are British special forces on the ground in Iraq. Some would say


that the tragedy of the situation in Iraq is that when we went in under


Tony Blair, that wasn't the right time to go in. This is now


potentially the right time, there is no public appetite because of the


mess that was caused before. The long shadow of 2003 prevent any


politician of this generation going out of `` prevents any politician of


this generation from going in. They are going out of their way to say


they won't. This story brings it home, in a way. No one confirms or


denies whether the SAS is involved, but this veteran has called for the


SAS to go in to target and kill these 500 or so British recruited


jihadists, who are fighting for the Islamic State. I suppose if you kill


them there, they can't come and kill you hear when they come back. It is


also terrifying in terms of extrajudicial killing, like the


Gibraltar killings of the IRA, the government sending assassins


overseas to do dirty work, and it really doesn't talk to the decision


at all. But it talks to the dilemma, this is a big threat. It


won't go away, because of the talk about their religion and their


ethnicity, that is why they are being slaughtered. As David Cameron


said, it will require a military solution. Military assets, but not


necessarily boots on the ground. The Pope seems to think the Iraq mission


is a good one for Western countries. Particularly given the persecution


that is clearly being meted out to some Christian minorities. It has


taken him some time to enter the debate, but yes, he has said that.


He has said that all measures need to be taken to stop the slaughter.


He stopped short of supporting military action, and he is


equivocating a bit on that. Nobody would disagree that everything has


to be done to save lives, for humanitarian purposes, but I think


there are difficult questions to answer and decisions to be taken.


The Pope hasn't yet really come to terms with them, and said what he


believes the right course of action will be. I think that is true not


just of the Pope but of every Western leader. David Cameron gave a


broad hint of having to be involved and engaged, and then he has gone


away to Cornwall for a week. And humanitarian mission, not involving


troops on the ground. The argument is that he doesn't need to be here.


It is not just that, it is protecting these people because


their lives are at risk simply because of who they are. A quarter


of Iraq's Christians are on the run from ISIS, and that is a generation


of people being prosecuted because of their religion, and it requires a


bigger response. If you don't respond, you are seen as walking by


the other side. I don't think the world can afford to do that. Let's


go to the Times. An independent Scotland has no guarantee of a place


in Nato. This is the times. `` this is the Times. You might suggest that


is the kind of scaremongering that is putting people off. Is there any


credence to this story? There may be. It is the head of Nato who has


said this. I think he has said that we would need to apply again for it.


He doesn't say what country would object, and it is hard to see any


reason for a member of Nato to object. At the very question of Nato


membership is very divisive within the independence movement itself. It


was divisive for the SNP when they agreed to support Nato membership.


There are many people who wouldn't shed many tears if we weren't


allowed in Nato. That is a good point, isn't it? The SNP changed its


policy. It had changed its policy, I think its heart was still anti`


Nato, anti` nuclear. That is part of the modern nationalism. Richard said


no Nato member would object, why would they? I can see the rest of


the UK and the US objecting in Scotland didn't agree to keep the


Clyde a nuclear deterrent, on the Clyde. If Scotland goes it alone,


and then begins to negotiate its terms of partnership with the rest


of the UK, or it terms of partnership with Europe or the rest


of the world, that card would be placed against it. You can do


whatever you want, when you have the weapons. There are Nato members that


are not nuclear powers. There are plenty. Surely, that would be a red


line for Alex Salmond, wouldn't it? They wouldn't say, let's keep


Trident so we can get into Nato, are they? No, they wouldn't. But any


reasons forth staying part of Nato have been entirely cooked up in the


last three minutes. It is not, because it has been talked about by


defence strategist in the UK government for a long long time.


Should tell viewers, Richard, it you used to be his boss. I was,


sometimes I wish I still was. The Scotsman. Alex Salmond uses the


spirit of Bruce to drum up support. Explain all this for us. Well, for


me and many people in favour of independence, it is more about the


future than the past. The Robert the Bruce allusions have an audience and


resonance for some people, but for me, it is more about the future. I


think the aspirations set out seemed to me very strong aspirations and a


strong blueprint for the kind of country we want to live in. The


Labour Party south of the border has expressed its great concern about


the erosion of the NHS and privatisation. Creating a culture of


fear in schools, and protecting vulnerable people from things like


the bedroom tax that have been imposed on them `` imposed on them


in the name of austerity. But, we are not showing two fingers to


Westminster, it is not a personal thing, I don't know why some people


say they are taking it to heart. We want control of our own money and


our own Parliament. OK. The problem with that is that it is the sterling


that Alex Salmond wants, so it is not control of your own money. Is


this an appeal to the heart invoking Mr Bruce? Is it a start of the push


to sentiment Scots, can not lose this historic moment. Yes, we are


one month out, 30 days, this is the emotional beginning. If you look at


your history, I know history is important, but if you look at


history from a nationalistic point of view, this was Scotland's first


declaration of nationhood. Alternatively, you can look at it as


the struggle of power and control, with the 50 barons deciding they


wanted to control Scotland's destiny instead of the King of England. And


that continued through the 13th and 14th and 15th centuries. This will


be appealing to the emotional side of the debate. We are almost


exhausted talking about the pound, defence, currency, borders, it is


now about how much he loved Scotland, and that is what is trying


to into. I think the aspiration thing about protecting the


vulnerable and saving the NHS from privatisation, is a complete canard.


He himself described it as a desperate act by a desperate man.


The truth is that the NHS is no more under threat today than it was last


year. It is completely devolved and run by the Scottish government. The


last story. The front page of the Guardian. Female bosses apparently


earn 35% less than women. `` mail bosses. It continues to happen in


the UK, and there is no justification for it. There is


legislation that stops it, so it is unclear why we are not prosecuting


companies that pay female bosses less than their male counterparts.


How has coming out in favour of independent effect of the


circulation of the Sunday Herald? Our figures should be published in


the next few weeks. They will be for the first six months of the year,


and remember also that we did not declare support for independence


until the beginning of May, so although six months only two months


are post declaration. A lot of caveats in their. I'm about to the


answer to your question... The Sunday Herald got a boost from the


independence front cover. It is clear that marking your position


when you are a small... Would you like me to answer the question. We


expect to see a small rise in circulation. Richard, it is good to


see you. Good to have you both. Stay with us. More coming up on the


top of the hour. Now it is time for Sportsday.


Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I'm John


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