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to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor

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of the London Evening Standard and Susie Boniface,

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The Financial Times leads with upbeat economic figures,

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which the government says mean Britain can negotiate Brexit

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The Metro's front page is dedicated to the scandal-hit

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The Daily Telegraph goes with the news that the first wave

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The Guardian brings us the news that prosecutions for violence

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towards women and girls has reached record high levels.

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The Daily Telegraph goes with the news that the first wave

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of doctors' strike has been called off.

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The Daily Express leads with Brexit, and a warning from the former

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UKIP leader Nigel Farage that he will hold the government

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to account if it tries to row back on the commitment to leave the EU.

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The Times front-page features the actress Renee Zellweger at the

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premiere of the latest bridges -- Bridget Jones film.

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Let us start with David Telegraph and the top line of David Davis, the

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Minister for Brexit, writing off the UK 's future the single market. He

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says it is very improbable that the UK will remain a member of the

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single market. Susie, thoughts? It is very probable he will get a

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spanking from Theresa May when she gets back because she has been very

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careful not to say whether in or out of the single market. She is leading

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a country into negotiations break said she doesn't want all of her

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cards on the table but she has one of her ministers say to stuff the

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single market and throw it out the window. It is not only helpful and I

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think he would get a telling off. We have had a whole day or Brexit

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broadcasting and I am sure you have been glued to the TV. Martin, we had

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Theresa May earlier today saying that the points-based immigration

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system may not be introduced. How does that fit with what David Davis

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appears to be saying here? I think it does sit with it because she is

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talking about controlling immigration in some shape or form

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and what David Davis is saying is that as the European Union various

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leaders have made clear, we can't have the single market and no free

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movement, they are not prepared to trade on that, so David Davis is

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saying that we need to have some control over immigration policy so

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we are unlikely to be able to restrict free movement while

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retaining access to the single market in the way we have now.

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Theresa May is talking about the mechanism with which to control

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immigration and she says with a points-based system you don't get

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control over the numbers that you have people who qualify so you would

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have something akin to what we already have, which is a Visa system

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for shortage occupations unskilled labour so that is where this all

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fits. I don't think you would get into too much trouble because your

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spelling out the logic of the position. The government... There is

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no logic to the position! The panellist has made it clear her

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priority is to deliver our control over immigration said the logic of

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that is that you will be unlikely to have access to parts of Europe under

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trade agreements and there will be a specific and as yet undefined

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steel... You are Theresa May and you are running the country, you want

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people to not say anything too stupid at the moment because we're

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only a couple of months in and you need to maintain some kind of

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access, whatever that is, to millions of customers, 500 million

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people that all of our businesses want to trade with and we want them

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to trade with us so she needs things to be open as possible but Davis is

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shutting something down already, so I think he will be in some serious

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trouble. Martin, he is not stupid? I don't think you're stupid, I think

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everything is very unclear at the moment, quite clearly! At the moment

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there will be a trade-off between free movement or a restriction on

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free movement and access to the single market as it exists now but

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it does not mean to say we can't specify deals on financial services

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and so on which allow free access potentially or some kind of deal.

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There is another Brexit related story in the Financial Times, the

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front page, which is also David Davis hailing the robust state of

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the economy after the Brexit vote and we had a series of bits of data

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in the last two months or so which have shown are going up and down,

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and this month it is up. It has been contradictory, but whatever you say

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about Brexit, leave or remain, whether you think we have not had

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world for three so everything they have said is wrong or you think that

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there wasn't a crash so everything is OK, the issue on all of it is

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yet. We haven't had any of these things yet. The things we were

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promised or threatened haven't happened yet, it is only been two

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months you can't judge the robustness of an economy eight

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weeks. You have to look back over 50 years' time and look back and see

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whether we did better or worse whether we could the other way. I

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agree with you on that but actually what is true is that George Osborne

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was saying there had to be an emergency budget within a week of

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the vote and that some people were saying that the whole thing was

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going to be an absolute catastrophe from day one and you would already

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see investment decline in so one and it is quite true that on the figures

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since the vote, they have been relatively positive and consumer

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confidence and spending has been pretty good after the initial dip,

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but as you quite rightly say, it is a short-term thing we need to see

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what the longer term effects are, but the worst warnings have not been

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realised. Nor have the best ones, the best promises haven't manifested

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yet. Well, they can't because the best ones can't. Nothing can happen

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until we leave the EU. Some people were saying it was going to be a

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very big short-term hit in the first place, never mind the longer term

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affect so I think that aspect of it hasn't happened and that is what

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this story is talking about. Clearly where the economy goes in the medium

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and the longer term is a different issue and it is all to play for,

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quite clearly. Theresa May herself has said in China that they could be

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difficult times ahead in the economy. Some of that is nothing to

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do with Brexit, some of it is factors that were existing before

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this which are doubts about China and a hole in the budget from George

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Osborne 's last budget, the financial hole they're needed

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plugging and was unplugged, so there were certain things

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that were already problematic about the economy, strong though it

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appeared to be on the surface, that can still come back and hit off

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anyway, never mind the impact of Brexit. Brexit makes things more

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complex. There is an extra degree of complexity on top of everything and

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one of the things that has happened today, which is not in the paper

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today, but in David Davis 's speech, he was asked about financial

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passports, the business of London financial services trading with the

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EU. His answer was no detail at all. It is ridiculously complicated and

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he actually said it was straightforward but very complex,

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which I think tells you everything you need to know about how Brexit

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and David Davis works. We will park that and return to which week upon

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week upon week. We will look at the Guardian which has a headline about

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violent crimes against women hitting a record high. They have an

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interview with the direct republic because -- prosecutions and looking

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at the role of social media. When you see that headline and the strap

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underneath, that bit about social media being used to humiliate, the

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immediate assumption would be this is people on Twitter complaining

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about people being mean to them but when you drill down into the story

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there have been, for example, nearly 13,000 cases of stalking and

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harassment in 2015 and 16 and 70% of those involved cases of domestic

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abuse. This is not like some of us all get on social media all the with

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someone sending a tweet saying they don't like your face or you are a

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silly cow. This is people who know the person in question and are

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setting up fake profiles and posting revenge porn being prosecuted for it

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and harassing and stalking their exes and partners and mothers of

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their children and this is a new means of doing it and it is making

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it worse than the figures are going up. Interestingly there are a lot of

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guilty pleas because they are banks to write some when they get caught

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out, if anyone at home is thinking of posting revenge porn, it is on

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your phone or computable and traceable to your address, you can't

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wriggle out of it, you definitely did it. On the one hand it is

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terrible that there is a massive increase in these cases of violence

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and harassment but on the other hand it is great that we can catch people

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when they are done it. The positive news about this and we ran a front

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page on our -- ran a story on our front page today about the rapes and

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murders in violent crimes related to domestic abuse, but the good thing

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about it is that the figures are horrendous, obviously, but more

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people are coming forward, which is why to an extent there are more

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cases coming to court because more people at the competence to come

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forward and police and prosecutors don't get it right every single time

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by any means but on the other hand they do take it a lot more seriously

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and they are more effective at delivering results in these cases

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than they perhaps once were and they are also responding, as you say

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here, to some of the evolving techniques that people using social

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media and so on to harass people. For example, when people have

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historically was stalking, it would be someone following someone on the

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street, their ex-boyfriend following their former girlfriend, but now you

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take that straight into their own by continuing on social media and there

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is no sanctuary from it. Someone can leave an abusive partner, and it can

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be men as well as women, they can leave a partner and perhaps even

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managed to get a bed in one of the increasingly scarce refuges that are

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available to them, thank you to the coalition for getting rid of them,

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and once they are there, even though they aren't in physical contact with

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the person who abuse them, they still have them in the life and they

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can't escape them because they set up fake profiles and send tweets on

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Facebook their friends. It is a modern problem, the pervasiveness of

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social media that they can reach into your private sphere. Let us

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move into a story that the Guardian and the Telegraph have about the

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doctor striping called off next week. A big chink appearing between

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the BMA and the junior doctors themselves? I think so, and I think

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it is a doubt within the medical profession, there is a split across

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the medical profession, as to whether this particular first

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strike, and indeed the length of strikes they are talking about,

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these five-day strikes, would be counter-productive and actually harm

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patients, and the fact is that if you are cancelling five days of

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operations and so on by definition patients will be armed and in this

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particular case, obviously the doctors, it appears that the junior

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doctors themselves, some of the doctors themselves are not confident

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that they can go on strike and other people will cover for them in a way

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that will protect patients so the whole thing has been postponed a

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lease for the first strike and then we have to seem really what happens

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after that. I suspect it could be that the whole thing crumbles

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because they might lose public support if they go down that road. I

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don't think the issue is public support, the issue with support for

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the doctors in the BMA. The problem is initially they had in the same

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place and they were all against the seven-day contract which dealt me --

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Jeremy Hunt wanted to bring in and then there were compromises and the

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BMA said they should accept it but the doctor said it was still a

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rubbish deal that would affect patient safety so they parted ways a

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bit but then the BMA has changed its views now and it is trying to use a

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ballot from last year about strike action to maintain five days of

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strikes at a time but most doctors think strike action might be just

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about acceptable but to do it five days will cause harm they can't do

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that is doctors. The chairman of the BMA was agreeing that the deal which

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the BMA agreed at arbitration previously was actually a good deal

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and because there was a vote against it by the junior doctors, which is

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fair enough if they want to vote against it, but the person who is

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now leading this was saying that the deal on offer was a good one and

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acceptable. The separation is between the people at the head of

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the BMA and the doctors but I think most members of the public, if they

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ask the medical opinion from Jeremy Hunt or Doctor would go with the

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doctor. I am not so sure about that. Not on the medical opinion, but as

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to whether they should have a five-day strike or not, I'm not

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sure. I think that is a danger for them. Allow to get to stop. That is

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it for The Papers tonight. Don't forget the front pages

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are all on the BBC News website, where you can read a detailed review

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of the papers. It's all there for you

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at bbc.co.uk/papers. Each night's edition of The Papers

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is posted there shortly Headlines coming up in a few

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minutes. Good evening. There's a humid and

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sticky feel to the weather outside across many parts of the country and

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it will remain that way for the next couple of days. We have clear spells

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in the cloud and this was the sunset earlier on in North Ayrshire, by

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Weather

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