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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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With me are Paul Johnson, Deputy editor of the Guardian

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and Tim Collins, the former Conservative MP and current

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managing director of Bell Pottinger Public Affairs.

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Tomorrow's front pages starting with...

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The Telegraph looks at Theresa May's speech at the Conservative Party

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conference, which the paper says was largely aimed at winning

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over wavering Labour supporters, particularly

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The Daily Express says she invoked Margaret Thatcher as she promised to

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reunite a country where everybody had a chance to succeed.

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The Times says the speech was strongly interventionist and put

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some of the UK's biggest businesses and notice to expect aggressive

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actions against some of their practices.

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The Guardian says she will use the Brexit vote as a mandate to break

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decisively with David Cameron's brand of conservatism.

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The Daily Mail says the speech was one of the most radical delivered by

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a Conservative leader in a decade. And it talks about some of those

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companies that she will be going after.

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The Daily Mirror ignores the whole speech, sticking with a story about

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bullying and the tragic death of a young man.

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Let's go straight in. The Daily Telegraph. By far the most striking

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line in her speech, it's time to remember the good government can do.

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Not a phrase one can see others using. It went down well with the

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Conservative faithful. She was distancing herself from a lot of

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things which have been conservative totems of faith. They were lapping

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her to the rafters. Used to write her to the rafters. Used to write

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speeches at one point further previous leaders. -- you used to.

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She would not have liked it if I had put that in. She may have struck it

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out, even thrown it on the fire. What is interesting about all of

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this, I think I know which book she took with her and her walk. Because

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one of the themes that comes through all of the report in the papers

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tomorrow is this theme of citizenship and this idea

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repatriating some. This idea of something being more important than

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individualism and selfishness. About bringing the whole country together.

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That theme of citizenship is the central theme of the biography of

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Clement Attlee which was published this year, which is all about this

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man who was incredibly patriotic. He got Britain a deterrent. But he was

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someone who built the NHS and brought people together. Normally

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you would think Clement Attlee would be a hero for the Labour Party,

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somebody the Tory party would not like. He is one of the people they

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often quote. What has happened with Jeremy Corbyn is that the Labour

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Party have vacated that ground patridge 's, which is the core of

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the values of many of the traditional Labour voters, and that

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she can move on and say I get that patriotism bit, and I get the

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holding business to account bit, so she could clean up electorally. It

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is all over for the left? He has come straight from Birmingham, his

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pulse is still racing. CHUCKLES

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He is so excited. The heady aroma of politics and power. This is a speech

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of two halves. It could have been written in a combination of Ed

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Miliband and the Daily Mail lead writer. On the one hand you have the

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extraordinary thing about advocation of workers' rights over, sort of, we

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will pursue the tax avoidance. And if you look at the Daily Mail, we

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are coming after you. Looking at dysfunctional markets. A

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house-building bill. All of that was straight up the root of Ed Miliband.

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But there was this hard Brexit, grammar schools, human rights

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lawyers bit, well, you are on our list. Foreign workers, you and Amber

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Rudd's list. Foreign students, you are probably on the list, as well.

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-- you are on. Camerons and Blairite and maybe Guardian writers don't get

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it. That category of policies Paul has set out is absolutely what a

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whole chunk of people, several millions of people who in the past

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voted Leaves, who are up for grabs, voted Leaves, who are up for grabs,

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they believed both parts of that. They believe I'm being tough on

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immigration, tough and Brexit, but they believe in the NHS and workers'

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rights. -- voted Leave. She voted on behalf of the people who will decide

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what happens in the future. So she isn't talking to liberals. She is

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talking to small seed conservatives who are in Ukip, or who have

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traditionally been in labour. Because Clement Attlee was quite a

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conservative person. Many people who haven't voted Conservative before,

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and wouldn't have dreamt of it Margaret Thatcher or David Cameron

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is fascinating about to May is that is fascinating about to May is that

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at the moment she is at the peak of her political potency. --

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fascinating thing about Theresa May. She is popular. That won't last.

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What she do with that power? Not what Margaret Thatcher did, I'm

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going to tell you why you have got to be nice, she says, on the

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contrary, I will tell business what you have got to do your country,

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which is more. We don't have to go back to Clement Attlee. John Major

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had the age of consent policies. Cameron had his common ground. Now

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we have the new centre ground. No politician declares themselves and

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I'm an extremist, this is where I am coming from, do they? Have you heard

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of Jeremy Corbyn? CHUCKLES

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You are being defensive now. I'm not defensive about Jeremy Corbyn. Let's

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go to the front of your paper. Is it your kind of paper's line tomorrow

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morning, OK, we will take her at her word, but we will look at this in

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six months and say, did she mean what she said, or is it rhetoric? I

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think it is that. There are some things that were attractive in the

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speech. She must have been struck by the lily livered and the Sudbury

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made accusations. It was noticeable in the speech, she thanked Cameron.

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Two sentences later she said we see all around us division and

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unfairness. That was a bit of an atomic missile. A little unfair. The

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sentences in between were pretty important. Nobody claims that David

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Cameron had managed to solve all of the nation's problems. She

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congratulated him on changing the party. He had done some important

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things for the party. But she said circumstances have changed again.

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One of the sub themes at the conference was, what is her mandate?

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She wasn't elected. Cameron won the election. She will take the Brexit

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referendum as mandate for change. It is paradox given she was against.

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That seems to be the way she is going. This is somebody speaking as

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if she has won the swathes of the public. She was on the right side of

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the referendum. Anyway... Do you break by this idea that seems to be

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at the heart of this speech, this kind of... This year zero.

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Everything that went before in politics no longer applies because

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of the referendum result? In other words you can get rid of the things

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the current government did over the last six years you don't want to be

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associated with thinking the public were not impressed with that. You

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can say all of the elites were out of touch. We are coming in, it is a

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fresh political situation as a result of that one vote. That is

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certainly what she is going to try. certainly what she is going to try.

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I think it'll be a challenge. She is right to be able to point out that

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more people voted in the referendum than at any other general election

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in our history after 1992. There was a bigger mandate for Leave. I was on

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the side that won the referendum, she was on the losing side. But she,

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like others, has accepted that the public have spoken and she is

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determined to deliver Brexit. But how much of this domestic agenda can

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she possibly deliver given Brexit will be so all-consuming? We have to

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be careful. There were not many camera

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-- there were not many Cameron and Osborne supporters at the

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conference. This must entreat you, what the consequences of the

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downfall of the fate Sheikh might be. He has been working for 30

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years. He's had a similar process. He goes in with a disguise. He who

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is people into situations whereby they are either culpable in a sense

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which isn't criminal but culpable in the way that the campus of Essex was

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lured into this. -- he lures people. There have been suggestions that it

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went too far and that it was entrapment. This was a very

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extraordinary case with Tulisa. He posed as an agent. He talked about

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drugs. She said she was tricked into getting a supplier. There have been

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other cases of Victoria Beckham, an alleged kidnapping, where the trial

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fell apart. A dirty terror bomb, the trial fell apart. This is

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potentially very serious. Does it reopen some of the questions which

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were raised during the Leveson Inquiry, which seems a long time

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ago? He used to work for the News of the World and it no longer exists.

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It might. One of the things that never and slightly obscured was that

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that was predominantly about phone tapping. -- that Leveson obscured.

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The perception was that was all, all of the sin was in the News of the

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World, no other tabloid was doing it, and it turned out Mirror group

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were right up to their necks with it and probably did more of it. We

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don't know that. But I take your point. And this one I think it is

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important again to note that what we have to have is an independent

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assessment of what is going on. One thing which is interesting is to

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what extent were the Met actually working with the so-called fake

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Sheikh. Was he a useful source? It's possible that they might have cut

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him some slack, maybe turned a blind eye because he was useful to them on

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certain investigations. Mark Lewis, who did many of the hacking cases,

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is acting on the half of 19 people who are aggrieved by this and think

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they have a good case for reopening. As more than that, very substantial

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damages. We may not have heard the last of the fake Sheikh. Let's look

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at some other stories. Teenage girls more likely to get drunk than boys.

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Thought we knew this. It was the ladette culture, but the OECD says

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it so it must be true. They are saying it is almost uniquely a UK

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problem. It is more of a problem amongst young girls than young boys.

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However it is important to put it into perspective. They are saying

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the figures have arrived even though drinking is going down nationally. I

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think the number in that age category is dropping. That's good.

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Some of the messages are getting through. Better than they are with

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the adults. Yes. Amongst those drinking too much among young girls,

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it is more likely to be British women who are better educated than

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those who are not. That's interesting. It belies problem

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drinking with more than 14 units per week. It is difficult or identify

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that. Do you think you drink more less 14 units per week? Less, sadly,

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but probably because I am here too often. At the very end of the

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Telegraph. Perhaps my favourite story of the night. It is about

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toads. Apparently they are in trouble. They've been dropping by

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nearly 70% over the last 30 years. Apparently it is due to the loss of

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ponds as well as pesticides. Not sure what the answer is. But we must

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do something to help. I used to have a toad called Gloria outside my flat

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until a friend of mine tried on her. Rather tragic. The common toad no

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more. What ever happened to pond life? Pleasure as always. Thank you

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for being here. Don't forget all the front pages

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are online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review

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of the papers. It's all there for you - seven days

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a week at bbc.co.uk/papers - with each night's edition

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of The Papers being posted on the page shortly

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after we've finished. a bit of a rut. It is a pattern that

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is fairly unusual

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