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movies since then, but really made her mark as a writer. For the

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moment, thank you very much, with the latest from Los Angeles.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will bring us

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tomorrow, with as is the political commentator, James Miller, who

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promised a glitter appeared on Twitter, but has not delivered. And

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a journalist, Matthew Green, who is helpfully wearing a colour

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appropriate tie. Nice to have you both. Front pages, the headline in

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the i is, Isis killer shot dead by rookie. The European open border

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policy being blamed for the suspect fleeing 1000 miles across the

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country is, the Telegraph also leads that story saying that

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counterterrorism experts are warning that open borders put security at

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risk, the Guardian headline, end of the manhunt, it says that the

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Moroccan authorities had warned Germany about the wanted man, the

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Times, a picture of the body of the wanted man, under a blanket in a

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Milan street, it also carries the story of a banking terrorist

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blacklist which apparently is so useless it includes a three-year-old

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member of the Royal family. The Daily Mail has advice for any but

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unwell over the festive season, pushed by Christmas. The paper says

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that health chiefs have prescribed self isolation to keep the pressure

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off casualty units, and the daily Mirror, chocolate Santas could kill.

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It reports that the Co-op has withdrawn them from their shelves at

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button batteries were found inside. A bit of festive cheer. Let's make a

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start with the story but so many papers are leading on. This man, the

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Tunisian, who was shot dead, after this routine check in Milan, he was

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the man wanted in connection with the attack in Berlin at the

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Christmas market, the headline in the i, Isis killer shot dead by

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rookie, setting out some of the main points of the story. The benefit of

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this is it straight to the point, it does not have to try to find a new

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angle, the fellow who, it certainly seems to be him, they have

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fingerprint evidence from the cabin of the truck crashed into this

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Christmas market in Berlin on Monday, they seem to have got it in

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Milan, and yet, essentially, the policeman said, are you not that

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fellow? He got out a gun and they had a shoot out. That is really all

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you need to know. That is the long and the short of it, really. And the

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fact that he was able to cross three different countries when he was the

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most wanted man, with all these different aliases, and he was able

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to get across into France, and back down into Italy, so that is one of

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the... Issues that has been picked up by

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a lot of the newspapers. There is this question of how he could have

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managed to travel 3000 miles, undetected, across Europe, before

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finally been caught, more or less by accident, by Italian police, but the

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big question as well, for German security forces, who had him under

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surveillance for many months, and had identified him as somebody who

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might be planning attacks, but were not able to step in and either make

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an arrest or gather the evidence they would need to act. So there is

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a lot of talk about open borders but I think in many ways the bigger

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question is for the German intelligence services. And they

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would also tried to deport him, haven't they? But were not able to

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do that. His family have criticised the Italian and German authorities,

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I was reading, that they did not manage to deport him, but there are

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processes that we have to go through in Europe, for people to be sent

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back to their country. Yes, the whole

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thing is it is... It is still a very British, the coverage, we perhaps

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don't understand how Europe works, Europe is trying to be almost like a

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country, which is why they don't have borders, this idea that they're

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going to have more borders to somehow stop this stuff, I am not

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entirely convinced by it, but that will never happen, politically,

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because the whole point of the Schengen is that you can travel

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around, but you can get picked up in Italy, as it turns out, more likely

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than you could picked up in Germany. Yes, it was a routine check, this

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might easily have not happened. That is right, but it is not possible to

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have 100% security ever anywhere, and every time these attacks

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happened there are these questions asked, and like James is saying,

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through the lens particularly, particularly of the right-wing

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press, inevitably it will be couched in terms of a failure of European

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open borders, but the reality is that, you know, there are many of

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these disaffected young men, in this case, he followed really a

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pretty tragic past, from a small town in Tunisia, joined the wave of

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migrants heading into Europe, spent time in jail in Italy where he

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seemed to have been radicalised, and was a petty drug dealer in Germany,

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where he presumably got infected by this ideological virus that caused

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him to act in the way that he did, but you know, the idea that closed

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borders are the answer to that, I don't dig it stands up to any

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scrutiny. The Daily Telegraph is making the point, EU border warning,

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as terrorist is found in Italy, the opening paragraph says that open

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borders in Italy are putting security at risk, politicians and

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counterterrorism experts are warning, there are measures, as we

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saw in France, where, for... For a limited period, emergency measures

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can be brought in were borders are closed, we did see that in France,

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so Germany have that option. Absolutely but, the strange thing

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about this is that it's as politicians and experts, I mean,

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I... I will often talk politicians but they are not experts in

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everything, to just go to a politician and Sarah does not make

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it true but there is a very weird line in this, from a former

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counterterrorism, head of counterterrorism, at the Met,

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says... Schengen poses a huge risk of terrorism. We need European

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countries to get their act together, sooner or later they will get across

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the Channel. The whole point is that we are not in Schengen. So if they

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are going to get across the channel anyway, what has Schengen got to do

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with and it the old quote does not seem to make any sense but nobody

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has even picked up on that to make sense of it. It is not too late,

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Daily Telegraph, make a correction. The Daily Mail, feeling ill,

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postponed Christmas. They be forced to turn away patients and health

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chiefs are having to prevent the head of infection. This is the real

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Christmas Grinch story from the Daily Mail. Health chiefs are

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talking about, and again, we have to say... This is according to the

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Daily Mail, so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. But apparently

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health chiefs are sane self isolation will stop the spread of

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illness and keep the pressure from casualty units. Self isolation at

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Christmas doesn't sound like a pretty harsh prescription from the

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NHS, doesn't it? That depends how well Christmas lunch goes for some

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people, they might be tempted to do it even if they are feeling

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perfectly fine. If you have the flow you are not going anywhere anyway.

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You have no choice but to be isolated. It is a bizarre story in

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the sense of, you know, what else are you going to do? But it is also

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Daily Mail brilliance. Because it is, feeling ill? Yes. We are nearly

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at Christmas, everybody is quite tired, feeling a sniffle, you look

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at the news stand and go, yeah, that is me. And never mind that the copy

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is fairly self-evident. It is an eye-catching headline. We

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will go on to eliminate that may not be quite so eye-catching, but these

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figures, the hundred 74,000 patient 20 casualty departments last week, I

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don't know how that compares with normal, do you? You need a

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comparative figure before you can actually make any sense of that. We

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know that no new money was made available in the Autumn Statement,

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that the NHS is going through an extremely pressurised... And

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extremely pressurised phase in its finances, so it's perhaps not

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surprising that the casualty wards are piling up and the health service

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is under strain. In a way that should be the focus of the story. It

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does say that hospitals and 95% full. I would hope that hospitals

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are usually around about 95% full. If they were only 80% for the Daily

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Mail would say, the doctors are knocking off and there is... I would

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have thought the Daily Mail would have a truce on Brexit and wish a

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Merry Christmas to the non-EU citizens who keep the NHS going, but

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generally don't get much of a mention. No sign of that. This

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headline may not have quite the universal appeal of the Daily Mail.

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Banks are honest clients. And there is a three-year-old member of the

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Royal family. A top story. On a blacklist. What is this list. I like

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the contrast with the Daily Mail because to some extent if you are

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not a three-year-old Royal, then why bother reading? I suppose honest

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people want to read on. This is a database of more than 2 million high

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risk individuals including criminals and senior politicians, which banks

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use to carry out compliance checks, apparently a copy was accidentally

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left online in the summer, it is not quite the same as accidentally

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leaving on the boss, is it cost and Mark may be more people will see it.

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Apparently the times have spent the last few months looking at it and

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investigating it and now publishing their findings which amount to, yes,

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there are lots of people on this list are probably not any danger to

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anyone. Then why are they on the list? That is the question, but I

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suppose banks are trying to... Dining... The amount of money that

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gets laundered through many of our high street banks is pretty

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shocking. And I guess this of one layer, in whatever

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system is put in place to try to prevent that, although that is

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obviously the bigger question, how much will is there really amongst

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these institutions to take a firm line? Otherwise they would not have

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to rely on blacklists with three-year-old Royals and a former

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chairman of English Heritage on it, who insists he has never been

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involved in any sort of party political activity, so it is pretty

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clear that the database is casting its net pretty wide. I wonder how

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long this story will run for, given the time we have been poring over,

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four months. Yeah, I mean, I guess... It does have 2 million

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names on the list, so... OK, it will not take them that long. The team of

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officers spent the last three months reading through the list one by one.

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Now, he has been analysing it. Analysed it, not just read through

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it. It is maybe not as interesting as the

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Panama... The Panama files, not quite. I mean, it is a good story

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but it does slightly have the air of one that may have been sitting

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around in a basket waiting to be run and a quiet moment has arrived. That

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is not meant as a criticism, it is merely an observation. We all

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struggle towards Christmas, and all have stockpot stories waiting on the

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shelf for a quiet news day, gosh, we spent ages putting this together

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every year. For people like us on the TV. That is always fresh. We do

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our best. Let's go back to the Telegraph. This is a story they have

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been covering. President Obama criticised for abandoning Israel.

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The United Nations voted on a resolution put forward to condemn

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the building of settlements in occupied Palestinian territory. And

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ordinarily, Matthew, the United States would veto such a resolution.

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But not tonight. That is right. This resolution is more or less are

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saying what many people in the international community think, that

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these settlements, that Israel has been building, they are illegal, and

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should be stopped. The resolution also stresses that Israel has a

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right to it and security. But President Obama has broken with

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convention by refusing to veto it. It seems to be a sign of his growing

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frustration with the government in Israel, which is one

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of the most right-wing that has ever been elected, and which seems to

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disdain the idea of a two state solution, which was very much US

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policy. President Obama is taking this opportunity to signal his

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feelings on the issue. Whether he is abandoning Israel, I think that is

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questionable, given that the US has just signed its biggest ever

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military aid package, worth $38 billion, but there is a very

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powerful pro-Israel lobby in US politics and they spend a lot of

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money and they have a lot of friends. But Barack Obama is not in

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office for much longer and Donald Trump has signalled it will be

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different with him in charge. You know, Palestine- Israel is obviously

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incredibly complex, but you can boil it down to a soap opera, you have

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got President Obama apparently fed up with Benjamin Netanyahu, who he

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never really got on well with, and not Donald Trump piles in with a

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tweet saying, things will be different after January 21 he

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becomes president, so there are all sorts of issues at stake, but there

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are big personalities as well, that is perhaps the way to get into the

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story. The US ambassador to the UN said, we are just reflecting what is

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happening on the ground, in their view, our policy is, you cannot have

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a two state solution and keep building. Exactly. It is a policy

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that many internationally agree with. It is just that US politics is

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so framed that it is very difficult for politicians of either party to

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break with the sort of constant support of Israel in the security

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class. You wonder about the timing of it, so close to the end of the

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President Obama tenure, if that has anything to do with that, feeling

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that he can do so at this point, when he would not have made this

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choice a few months back. Although apparently they have been agonising

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over it for months in the White House, what are we going to do about

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this thing, so it is not simply going, I am a way out the door, I

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will do what I say, is usually conjugated

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issue for any reader. And although the Palestinians are celebrating

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they have been incredibly frustrated with President Obama is well these

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last eight years, he is not popular among either side actually, for

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failing to go further in, well, resolving is the wrong word, but at

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least progressing some sort of settlement. I suspect that will not

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change, Donald Trump is hardly the man to fix Israel/ Palestine. He is

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making the right noises though, different noises. Daily Mirror.

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Chocolate Santas could kill. There is a recall here of some festive

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sweets. We should say that we try to find

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something a bit more cheerful. The last papers before Christmas. As a

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newspaper man, I like this story. And a father of two?

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I heard this on the radio and thought, that is a good story, it

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should be on the front pages. And working from home a lot I have the

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pleasure of listening to the Jeremy Vine show, he had a thing on,

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surgeons in September, this news story about kids are swallowing

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these little batteries, and they do all sorts of damage to the wind

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pipes. If you wanted to damage small children the best way to do it would

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be to put tiny batteries in chocolate Santas. I do wish you

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would not make the statement quite like that. They seem to think that

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tampering has taken place after they left the factory and before they got

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to the Co-op. So we don't know exactly what is going on. But it is

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the sort of story that is a bit like the Daily Mail one, eye-catching, to

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sell papers. And also, a small child could

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mistake it for a suite. Yes, a little silver, glowing suite. It is

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very difficult at this point, so close to Christmas, to recall things

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like this, surely. Absolutely. 165,000 of those things are out

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there, that they need to get back. And to be fair, not only is it a

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good story, but putting it on the front page will also help.

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That is it from the papers this hour. We will have another view at

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11:30 p.m.. All the front pages are online on our website where you can

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read a detailed review of the papers, seven days a week, BBC .co

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.uk/ papers, you can see us there also, each night's edition is posted

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on the page shortly after we finished, it is also an iPlayer,

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thank you to James and Matthew, red glitter, in James's pocket, we might

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see it later. See you in a bit. Good evening. It will continue to be

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more northern parts of the UK they get the worst of the weather over

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the next few days, there is another storm brewing out in the Atlantic,

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this area of

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