09/04/2017 The Papers


09/04/2017

No need to wait to see what's in the papers - tune in for a lively and informed conversation about the next day's headlines.


Similar Content

Browse content similar to 09/04/2017. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

speak to Scarlett Thomas about her switch to writing for children and

:00:00.:00:00.

the creation of a fictional world full of magic and danger.

:00:00.:00:12.

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

:00:13.:00:15.

With me are the journalist Lucy Cavendish, and Tom Bergin,

:00:16.:00:19.

Hopefully not suffering from too much sun after a lovely day out

:00:20.:00:29.

there tonight. Tomorrow's front pages

:00:30.:00:31.

then, starting with - The Daily Telegraph leads

:00:32.:00:32.

with claims that Russia and Iran are threatening

:00:33.:00:34.

to retaliate against America, following last week's

:00:35.:00:36.

air strike on Syria. Donald Trump is accused

:00:37.:00:38.

of crossing "red lines". The Financial Times focuses

:00:39.:00:40.

on President Trump's decision to increase US naval power

:00:41.:00:46.

in Korean waters. The Independent leads

:00:47.:00:50.

with an exclusive on the rising number of domestic violence

:00:51.:00:52.

victims withdrawing charges The Daily Express claims that

:00:53.:00:53.

Theresa May is under pressure to introduce a five-year pause

:00:54.:00:59.

on unskilled migrant workers coming to the UK in order

:01:00.:01:01.

to reach immigration targets. The Metro also looks at the claims

:01:02.:01:09.

that Russia and Iran are threatening to retaliate

:01:10.:01:11.

against the United States - it also carries a picture

:01:12.:01:14.

of the funeral of PC Palmer, who was killed during

:01:15.:01:16.

the Westminster terror attack. The Guardian says that most asylum

:01:17.:01:19.

seekers are placed in the poorest PC Palmer's funeral takes place

:01:20.:01:33.

tomorrow, he is lying at rest in the Houses of Parliament tonight. Let's

:01:34.:01:38.

begin with the Telegraph, and a couple of the papers are running on

:01:39.:01:43.

the fallout following those cruise missile strikes by the United States

:01:44.:01:48.

against Syria earlier in the week. The Daily Telegraph's headline,

:01:49.:01:52.

Russia's threat to strike back at Trump, we will respond with force

:01:53.:01:55.

Moscow tells the US after attack on Syria airbase. How specific are they

:01:56.:02:02.

being? It is not specific at all. It is a pretty good one because of

:02:03.:02:07.

course you wrote expect Russia to come back with something because it

:02:08.:02:12.

does feel like an attack on Assad and they are in cahoots with a sad

:02:13.:02:17.

but I'm not sure what the force is. I don't want to make light of it but

:02:18.:02:23.

the bromance is over -- Assad. Trump has gone this way, Putin is going

:02:24.:02:27.

that way, he is standing alongside the Iranians and it feels

:02:28.:02:30.

threatening but no one has exactly said what the force is. The

:02:31.:02:34.

accusation Donald Trump has crossed red lines which is ironic since he

:02:35.:02:39.

felt red lines had been crossed some time ago, 2013, President Obama

:02:40.:02:44.

hadn't responded even though he had drawn a red line. We might need to

:02:45.:02:47.

use some different colours here, purple markers, and we have so many

:02:48.:02:53.

lines going on here. Yes, as Lucy said the bromance is over, lots of

:02:54.:03:01.

discussions about whether President Putin helps, Trump, we will find out

:03:02.:03:06.

if that was the case, any reason to hold it back might be gone. It is a

:03:07.:03:11.

confusing situation. It is not usual we see the kind of language being

:03:12.:03:17.

used here. Childlike language. Childish. The mechanism is Twitter,

:03:18.:03:25.

the messages are thinly veiled insults, the kind of comments used

:03:26.:03:31.

to describe Britain by the Russians. It is a strange situation and

:03:32.:03:34.

heightens this political unpredictability we have now. It is

:03:35.:03:38.

one of those things when looking at financial markets and other areas

:03:39.:03:41.

people citing political uncertainty in the way they have not done in the

:03:42.:03:45.

past. Even in the developed world and in the place where in the past

:03:46.:03:50.

we have certainty about policy, namely the United States, people

:03:51.:03:53.

would trail the economic policies for a long period of time. In the

:03:54.:03:57.

course of a week we have had a U-turn, turning on a dime, and we're

:03:58.:04:02.

not used to seeing these things. He is an unpredictable man. Which one?

:04:03.:04:08.

Both! I felt with Trump there were checks and balances around when he

:04:09.:04:12.

came into power and lots of people said the checks and balances and

:04:13.:04:16.

sensible people... But this seems to be spiralling into literally like

:04:17.:04:22.

two people trading insults across social media, it is extraordinary.

:04:23.:04:26.

Yes, it's not the sort of discretion we are used to in sort of diplomatic

:04:27.:04:32.

terms, is it? No. You wonder how useful it is, they look to have much

:04:33.:04:36.

more distance between the White House and the Kremlin than was

:04:37.:04:40.

suggested a few weeks ago. Absolutely, and they are talking

:04:41.:04:43.

about threats. The US has been careful not to have any Russian

:04:44.:04:47.

casualties in the action. The Russians were notified at a military

:04:48.:04:50.

level in advance of this military strike. On Twitter! It is or was

:04:51.:04:58.

possible inadvertently that could happen and that would ratchet up

:04:59.:05:02.

things, as we have seen before with Turkey and Russia with respect to

:05:03.:05:05.

the downing of the Russian fighter. These things can get out of hand and

:05:06.:05:11.

lead to escalate unintentionally. The Guardian talks about the British

:05:12.:05:19.

aspect of this. Russian fury as Johnson is snapped as Syria tensions

:05:20.:05:24.

rise, Boris Johnson's decision not to go to Moscow -- snubbed. The

:05:25.:05:31.

reaction from the Russians, particularly Sergey Lavrov, who is

:05:32.:05:34.

his Foreign Secretary counterpart. Yes. The Russians are basically

:05:35.:05:40.

saying that this shows that Britain is incapable of independent thought

:05:41.:05:44.

when it comes to foreign policy. Basically, the UK is a lapdog to the

:05:45.:05:50.

United States. As I said earlier, this is not really typically

:05:51.:05:54.

diplomatic language and they are obviously not happy about this.

:05:55.:05:58.

Interestingly we are also seen the opposition in the UK, the Liberal

:05:59.:06:01.

Democrats and Labour, criticising Boris Johnson for not going to

:06:02.:06:06.

Russia, working on the basis of Rex Tillerson, the US Foreign Secretary

:06:07.:06:10.

who is going to go, so why should Boris do not go? We have not had a

:06:11.:06:14.

really clear explanation from the Foreign Office of the thinking here

:06:15.:06:17.

and this is leading the opposition parties in the UK to say Theresa May

:06:18.:06:21.

is afraid he is going to go and they will be gaffes. Much further down in

:06:22.:06:26.

the article it says the Foreign Office says the talks were called

:06:27.:06:31.

off owing to Russia's continued defence of the Assad regime. Russia

:06:32.:06:40.

says this is not had a pleasant -- diplomacy works, you don't just not

:06:41.:06:44.

turn up if things get tricky. Have they missed a trick not being in

:06:45.:06:48.

Moscow to say those things? I think he has but Russia has always

:06:49.:06:51.

supported the Assad regime. I was always the case before he was going

:06:52.:06:55.

anyway. The interesting thing is there has been no reason given. He

:06:56.:07:02.

apparently needs to work on proposals a bit longer. The

:07:03.:07:06.

opposition parties are right, there is a big question mark over whether

:07:07.:07:09.

or not Theresa May trusts Boris Johnson. Do you really think that is

:07:10.:07:14.

what it is? At this point of time I would say it is pretty important

:07:15.:07:18.

that he does go over there, it is a visit that is planned, and to back

:07:19.:07:21.

down, again, there is a Twitter spat saying he's not on the dome at up to

:07:22.:07:29.

the job. Isn't that for our benefit? We reported all the time. If you

:07:30.:07:34.

make these statements you can box yourself into a corner and the

:07:35.:07:37.

problem is Trump has committed to so many things, from health care to

:07:38.:07:40.

foreign relations, he has made promises, his written a lot of

:07:41.:07:44.

cheques on Twitter but he can still be held accountable for those if he

:07:45.:07:48.

doesn't deliver. Donald Trump was putting America first. There was not

:07:49.:07:52.

going to be much engagement abroad, was there? That has changed because

:07:53.:07:57.

of the circumstances. Like he looked at health care and he said it is

:07:58.:08:01.

complicated. Boris Johnson isn't going to be there to sort it out and

:08:02.:08:04.

have a place at the table. Shall we stay with the Guardian? Most

:08:05.:08:09.

refugees sent to the poorest parts of the UK, calls for appalling

:08:10.:08:13.

system to change as Labour areas bear the brunt of the cost. Is this

:08:14.:08:20.

accidental or deliberate? How do people end up in the poorer parts of

:08:21.:08:26.

the country? I think it's very complicated. Another thing that is!

:08:27.:08:32.

Life is complicated. Essentially Yvette Cooper, who said this is a

:08:33.:08:36.

shambles and has been part of the whole thing highlighting the thing

:08:37.:08:43.

that has gone on. Since 2012 there was a change by the Conservative

:08:44.:08:48.

government to do with the contracts. Which the coalition put in. It says

:08:49.:08:51.

the Conservative government but you are right, it is the coalition, to

:08:52.:08:55.

do with contracting out to private companies. It is a money thing the

:08:56.:08:59.

same thing that happened with how much money you have for school

:09:00.:09:02.

dinners. How much people have in order to be able to how much people

:09:03.:09:05.

have in order to be able to house asylums. What has happened with that

:09:06.:09:09.

is the richest places have managed to ring fence things, the rich are

:09:10.:09:13.

part of the country who probably don't want asylum seekers there.

:09:14.:09:18.

They say you can't come here. It was a function of how much housing

:09:19.:09:21.

costs, rental accommodation is cheaper in certain places and that

:09:22.:09:24.

is where you put them because the money goes further. It is that

:09:25.:09:28.

simple and difficult to draw up a system in a different way. You can

:09:29.:09:32.

consciously say we want to spread the burden more broadly but implicit

:09:33.:09:36.

is that is you have to spend a lot of money. Underpinning just about

:09:37.:09:40.

half the stories in the newspaper today is the tight budgetary

:09:41.:09:44.

situation. It is clearly unfair in many ways. But on the other hand,

:09:45.:09:50.

would it be much fairer if we actually had less money to go

:09:51.:09:54.

around, which would be the impact if we decided to house people in more

:09:55.:10:00.

affluent areas? Let's look at the Telegraph again. Pay of Southern

:10:01.:10:05.

Railway boss almost doubles. This is Charles Horton's page that has gone

:10:06.:10:10.

up to almost ?500,000 for one reason or another. And, of course, we know

:10:11.:10:16.

how beset with all sorts of problems, trains not running, trains

:10:17.:10:20.

being cancelled, and then strikes on this particular railway line. We

:10:21.:10:25.

don't get a lot of detail so we do not see exactly why his pay is going

:10:26.:10:29.

up. I am sure the consultants hired by the company to help set his pay

:10:30.:10:35.

have come up with a very rational reason why even though they might be

:10:36.:10:40.

certain problems with the rail group it is totally justified. The issue

:10:41.:10:44.

is we look across the board and seek pay rocketing and performance often

:10:45.:10:50.

very mediocre. It is difficult to see, if you look at the data, the

:10:51.:10:55.

connection between executive pay and remuneration. The Chief Executive's

:10:56.:10:58.

share of company profits has gone up about three or four times over the

:10:59.:11:03.

past ten years. There is no real sense to it. It is part of the

:11:04.:11:06.

bigger thing, Parliamentary committee saying they want to end

:11:07.:11:10.

some of the bonus programmes. It is another example of outcomes we don't

:11:11.:11:13.

really understand how they are justified. It could just be that in

:11:14.:11:17.

his contract he is owed this money, maybe as simple as that and there

:11:18.:11:21.

might be a performance aspect to it. It might be as simple as that but in

:11:22.:11:25.

terms of PR it is a complete disaster. There have been bosses

:11:26.:11:28.

recently who have said I'm not going to take my pay rise because it's not

:11:29.:11:32.

the right thing to do and everyone would have felt happier, because the

:11:33.:11:36.

people who have used Southern Railway man as we have seen, it has

:11:37.:11:39.

been a disaster and it has been miserable and they will not be

:11:40.:11:43.

happy. He still has the chance to turn it down, if he wants. He does

:11:44.:11:47.

have a chance to turn it down. Back to the FT, or to the FT for the

:11:48.:11:53.

first time. Push to close gender gap starts at the top. This is how

:11:54.:12:00.

companies can address the gender pay gap. This month new legislation

:12:01.:12:04.

comes in that big companies will have to publish data that will tell

:12:05.:12:07.

us just how big the gender payback is going to be -- pay gap. There is

:12:08.:12:13.

further analysis in the newspaper but it is an interesting story.

:12:14.:12:19.

There is still obviously a gender pay gap and a friend of mine works

:12:20.:12:23.

in headhunting and working out what is going on with winning and why

:12:24.:12:28.

there aren't more women at the top of companies and why the pay gap is

:12:29.:12:31.

so big. It is partially because companies are not very good, certain

:12:32.:12:36.

of them, not all of them, adjusting their working practices so people

:12:37.:12:39.

can work effectively and maybe they are not constantly five days a week

:12:40.:12:43.

in the office. This is looking at if people at the top just what they are

:12:44.:12:47.

doing to make the company is more available for women, which is

:12:48.:12:51.

interesting, like for example having a supermarket. Because women do all

:12:52.:12:58.

of the shopping! That is exactly it. It is a fascinating point. Quite

:12:59.:13:01.

right. That's great, how wonderful to have a supermarket but what about

:13:02.:13:05.

the idea that only women go to supermarkets to do the shopping.

:13:06.:13:09.

That betrays a lot. Looking at the message from the top, if that is the

:13:10.:13:13.

message from the top, that will not encourage people. Clearly in

:13:14.:13:17.

everything the ethics of the company, coming to attitudes, and

:13:18.:13:21.

all kinds of things, the chief executive sets the tone. But this

:13:22.:13:26.

comes in the context of the UK facing a productivity crisis and we

:13:27.:13:29.

need the contribution of all kinds of people to help come up with smart

:13:30.:13:33.

ideas. Including women shopping in the supermarket! A novel idea!

:13:34.:13:37.

That's the papers for this hour. Don't forget all the front pages

:13:38.:13:40.

are online on the BBC News website where you can read

:13:41.:13:43.

a detailed review. It's all there for you -

:13:44.:13:45.

seven days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

:13:46.:13:48.

and you can see us there too - with each night's edition

:13:49.:13:50.

of The Papers being posted on the page shortly

:13:51.:13:52.

after we've finished. Lucy and Tom - we'll see

:13:53.:13:54.

you again at 11:30pm. We all know what it feels

:13:55.:13:58.

like to get lost in a book. In Scarlett Thomas's novel

:13:59.:14:10.

Dragon's Green she turns it

:14:11.:14:13.

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS