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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
With me are Ayesha Hazarika, the former Labour political | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
adviser and now comedian, and the Conservative | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
Tomorrow's front pages, starting with... | :00:25. | :00:37. | |
The Times leads with the Labour Party's cleat manifesto, saying they | :00:38. | :00:56. | |
are facing a doctor to the Guardian takes a different angle saying the | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
party is rallying around the proposals. | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
The Independent picks up the Bank of England's | :01:06. | :01:06. | |
latest forecast, which suggest incomes could get squeezed. | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
The Financial Times notes that Japan's Soft Bank | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
is investing $500 million in a UK tech start-up. | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
The NHS makes the Mirror's lead story - | :01:14. | :01:14. | |
with nurses urging the government to end a 1% paycap. | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
The Express focuses on what it calls a "dementia crisis", | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
reporting that some families are being forced to pay ?100,000 | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Let's begin on the first of our papers with the front page of the | :01:23. | :01:38. | |
eye. Labour's ?50 billion wish list. Ayesha, presumably it hasn't | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
actually been costed as that, that is their best guest. -- best guess. | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
I think the diggers will be a slightly movable feast but it's not | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
about the figures, it's about the bold political signal that Jeremy | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
Corbyn was sending out today. We have had two years of Jeremy Corbyn | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
today, a lot of criticism, but his team came out swinging today, | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
absolute cobblers. Some would say this was Michael foot tribute act -- | :02:07. | :02:16. | |
absolute Jeremy Corbyn. He has not shied away from putting forward his | :02:17. | :02:26. | |
choices, his policies, and there is a very clear choice on the ballot | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
paper. I think the Labour Party have managed to convert, everyone is | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
talking about it and people are certainly talking about the boldness | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
of it. Tim, you get the front page of the eye and then you get the | :02:45. | :02:52. | |
alternative take on Ayesha's which is fantasyland. Boyle the | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
Conservatives be licking their lips over this? I think this has worked | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
well for the Labour Party over the last 24 hours. They have had good | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
publicity and Jeremy Corbyn looks like a happy warrior on the news | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
tonight. It's a contrast with Theresa May's quite scripted style | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
but the one thing that isn't in the leak was the costings. I wonder | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
whether there's a gap now between this leak and the publication which | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
the Tory party will fill. I'm sure that's what the Tory campaign | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
strategist will now do, so that perhaps on Saturday or Sunday's | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
papers, the will be attacking Corbyn before Labour get their costings | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
out. The Tories will try to have the first strike. Often a story that | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
looks good for the first 24 hours can take on a different life | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
afterwards. In a way, we're already starting to see this. The male are | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
saying this will cost every family ?4000 but I think the calculation | :03:57. | :04:04. | |
that Corbyn's team have taken on this is that the average family will | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
not get bogged down in the costings of this, they will see things they | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
like, and they think as well because there was a lot of talk of the media | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
being biased against Corbyn and things like that, and a lot of | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
people get their news three Facebook and social media, I think they are | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
taking quite a bold move to try to make an emotional, populist appeal. | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
You are doing a very good job on this. God loves a try. You are right | :04:33. | :04:42. | |
about some of the press on this and there was acquired last night from | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
Margaret Thatcher which was that the problem with socialism is that | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
eventually socialists run out of other peoples money. I think that's | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
problem with this. Labour lost office because they look like they | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
spent too much money and they couldn't control public finances. I | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
would say one thing on that. There was quite a howl of discontent about | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
how much people feel on inequality at the moment. Even though the | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
dominant narrative is against Corbyn, you can never say never. The | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
polls have got it wrong in lots of elections. Not this wrong. We will | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
come back to that. We will look in passing at the front page of the | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
Guardian. If the eye is the positive and the Daily Mail is no negative, | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
the Guardian is looking for middle ground. That is a pretty straight | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
headline. I am more worried that Star Wars is 40. I remember going to | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
it as a kid. The daily Mirror might make you feel even older. The actor | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
who played cat weasel has died. There's a childhood memory many | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
people will have. He looks a bit like Jeremy Corbyn. Right, you are | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
off Jeremy Corbyn's Christmas card list. Although if he doesn't win | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
number ten and there is every Mac, it might be a job for him. It is | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
interesting that in the phone in Theresa May was in this evening, the | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
first question came from a nurse. The NHS has always been a difficult | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
issue for the Conservative Party at elections. Even know so much has | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
been cut during these years of austerity, plenty of budgets | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
typically associated with the Tories, the defence budget, the | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
police budget, the Conservatives have kept putting money over and | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
above inflation into the NHS but it's still their Achilles' heel. | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
It's still something the public worries about. Do you think they | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
worry about it in a sense that they worry about the political damage | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
that health is finished you can do to the Conservatives? Even though | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
the Conservative governments have probably been running the NHS longer | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
than Labour governments because they have been in office for longer? I | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
think they should worry about it. We have been fortunate not to have | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
extreme winter is the last few winters get the NHS has still been | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
at the brink. We only need a bad winter in the next few years and it | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
really will be tested to its limits. I think the health service is one of | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
those issues that is very symbolic of the Labour Party and people | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
always fill the Labour Party is more likely to look after the NHS. And | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
that sometimes constrains what the Labour Party feel they can do. In | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
terms of having a radical agenda and talking about modernising the NHS. I | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
think the NHS will loom large in this campaign. Brexit is not proving | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
to be as much of a lightning conductor issue as they thought. I | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
think health and education and things like social care will be very | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
important. Social care I agree with you. In the Copeland by-election, | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
the Labour seat held by them for decades, Labour ran very tough scare | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
stories about the local hospital and the Tories still won. I think that | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
the leadership issue and also the nuclear issue. I think there's a | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
chance that Labour have overplayed this card and made it too political. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
True, but there is also a lot of public sympathy for... When you have | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
stories of nurses writing to the Prime Minister talking about their | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
pay, when you hear that nurses have got to go to payday loan companies | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
and to food banks, begging the Prime Minister that they are in poverty, | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
that is very emotive. It is interesting that you brought | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
that up because I've put this to a party spokesman from Labour and the | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Conservatives. I said, Labour you are saying vote against the Tories | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
because the Prime Minister has said it may not be appropriate to keep | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
the maternity unit at this hospital and people should perhaps travel | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
further. If you vote Labour you will be sending a message, but their | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
policy wasn't necessarily to do anything different and equally their | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
policy decision would be made by health service managers not by | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
politicians. Similarly, the Conservatives were saying our local | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
candidate supports keeping this hospital whatever the local | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
candidate might have said. That was equally dishonest because they | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
weren't making the decision either. What is it about health that | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
politicians think they can play these games are public expectations | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
or is it our fault as well? I think it is difficult because it | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
impossible to be giving the honest about the health service challenges | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
that are faced. Even an infinite amount of money might not be enough | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
because of the challenge of the health service. It's such an emotive | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
issue because what's hard for any political party is when you are | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
essentially in a short-term cycle, to look at the health service | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
properly, to really review it and make it fit for the future, join it | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
up with social care, have prevention strategies and things, that's | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
radical thinking that's probably 15 or 20 years down the track. And when | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
there are financial restraint as difficult as well. I think that's | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
Labour's problem, the financial restraints. It's a card the | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
Conservatives are good at playing, you can't look after the National | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
health service, you don't look after the economy properly I think that's | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
why it won't work the Jeremy Corbyn because people don't think he's got | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
a basic level of economic competence. I don't know if people | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
think that Theresa May has the level of empathy to look after NHS. I have | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
to ask you, are you missing being in the thick of it? Are you missing not | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
party headquarters this time round party headquarters this time round | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
because you have both been in the past? I have to say I have and | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
that's partly because working on an election campaign is that a | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
fantastically interesting thing for all the good things and bad things | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
that go wrong. There's a lot of adrenaline and it's exciting. Not | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
much actually because I think the campaign is quite dull. I think the | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
exciting thing will be afterwards, potentially the ructions within the | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
Labour Party, Theresa May getting together whether -- getting to grips | :11:18. | :11:28. | |
with the Brexit negotiations. If she wins. I think she just might. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
Don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
It's all there for you - 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers - | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it | :11:43. | :11:46. |