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Now on BBC News, here's Julian with The Papers.


at what the papers are saying this Sunday morning.


With me are journalist and broadcaster Shyama Perera


and the political editor for the Sun, Dave Wooding.


This morning's front pages, starting with the Observer.


It leads with expert calls for the Government to keep


co-operating with the EU on security and intelligence after Brexit.


The Sunday Express talked to Theresa May about her meeting


with some of the victims of the Manchester attack


Like many Sunday papers, the Mail on Sunday


carries a CCTV image showing the Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi,


The UK's Security Minister has told the Sunday Telegraph


that social-media firms are not doing enough to tackle extremism.


And the Sunday Times talks about the Conservative Party


after Labour narrows the gap in the polls to the single figures.


We will dip into some of those in the neck 15 minutes or so, the Mail


on Sunday, Shyama, this is a chilling image of Salman Abedi.


Well, it is and it isn't, Julian, and what is remarkable about these


images is abnormal this young man looks. I wouldn't look at him once,


let alone twice. -- is how normal this young man looks. I just wonder


about using terms like the face of evil, the action was evil - when you


use terms like that, people start looking for people who look evil,


and the whole point about terrorist is that they look like you and me.


We need to change the language so we can all start understanding what we


should be looking for, rather than constantly looking for someone who


looks like they are up to no good, because that is not how they look. I


suppose I use the word chilling because we know what is going to


happen with the benefit of hindsight. It is a striking picture,


and like Shyama says, the normal sign of him, the body warmer, the


baseball cap, Nike trainers which I gather sell for about ?300, that


sort of thing. You can just say, over to the right of this picture,


the only visible sign of the atrocity he was about to commit if


the strap from the rucksack which contained, as we now know, the nuts


and bolts. Police releasing the image because they want to get more


information about what he was doing so they can find out more about


others who may have been involved. Thank goodness for CCTV, some of the


goodness it does in enabling them to piece together these events. The


Sunday Telegraph, some quite strong language from the security minister.


Yes, there have been lots of different aspects to the terror


attack, people looking at things we can do to stop radicalisation, to


track down potential killers, and basically to nip in the bud the root


causes of radical extremism. The security minister, Ben Wallace,


apologies, having a right go at the media firms, the likes of... He


doesn't name them, but Facebook and Twitter, social media giants, saying


they are duplicitous, saying that, you know, videos are radicalising


writ in's youth, they are doing nothing to take these down. He uses


phrases such as these companies flogging details about our lives to


commercial companies, but they won't do anything about stopping these


videos going up which are spreading hate and extremism. It is pretty


strong language. I'm not sure what he's saying that underpins his


allegations, because obviously things have to be posted before they


can be removed, and as I understand it, a lot of these companies,


including Facebook, have taken on greater numbers of staff to try and


deal with it, but it is still humans who make those judgment goals, and


therefore there is always going to be a slight delay. I would add to


this and say, not only are the terrorist groups on social media,


but we need, all of us, to find a way of toning down language and


expressions of loathing and hatred on all forms of online discussion,


including, in my opinion, you know, the Daily Mail comments, the


Guardian comments. You look at those, sexist, violent, deeply


unpleasant, and they may not be jihadi, but it is all part of a


movement, it seems to me, that is predominantly male, predominantly


aggressive, predominantly hostile, particularly actually, towards


women, and you know, all of that underpins jihadism. Obviously, these


are different, led by an ideology, but what I am saying is that hatred


breeds hatred, and what we should all be doing is finding ways, a


solution to minimise the expressions of hatred. The Observer front page,


who wants to kick this off? Future relationships with the European


Union, with particular reference to security once the Brexit stealers


done. We have heard various explanations for terrorism, not


excuses, but different things behind it, people have discussed cuts in


policing, which Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, has said is not an issue.


Jeremy Corbyn as even discussed the foreign policy of Britain, again,


challenged. What the Observer seems to be pointing to is Brexit,


surprising that nobody has blamed Brexit, it gets blamed for


everything else, but Dominic Grieve, the Tory chairman of the Commons


intelligence and security committee, the former Chief Constable of


Northern Ireland police service, Sir Hugh Orde, and the head of Europol


have all said that we need to be within the EU to combat terrorism.


Part of the problem of being members of Europol and the criminal


intelligence agency across Europe is that you have to accept the


jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, and that is one of the


three things that Britain is going to pull out of. Which could be part


of the final deal, of course. For me, it makes me worried as a punter,


because I think, do I trust any of the parties that are currently


begging for my vote to be able to come up with such a sophisticated


and well structured strategy that they can pull all this off while


simultaneously removing us from the EU? I just can't see it. Staying


with election matters, Shyama, the front of the Sunday Times, taking us


back to the election campaign to an extent, with particular reference to


the Conservative campaign, which they aren't bearing to never story


is based on an opinion poll. I think they should be nervous, my straw


polls locally in the Borough of Brent pointing to huge changes among


people, myself included! We are a marginal constituency, hamsters and


Kilburn, we hang by 1200 votes. You are doing the BBC thing of offering


caution! Of course! I say this only slightly playfully, because I have


talked to a cross-section of people, I think they are right to be


nervous. I don't know of Lynton Crosby can turn things around in two


or three weeks. Having said that, who would have said even a week ago


that the Tories would suddenly lose that extraordinary leader that they


had? Anything is possible, suddenly the election has become exciting. If


there is a relaunch, what would it look like? Well, I suspect that


similar things that are being spoken about so far are not having any


cut-through. Attacking Jeremy Corbyn on the IRA links is not working, we


have a poll in the Sun on Sunday showing that most people are not


bothered by it, people think he is a statesman or a dangerous man. So I


think the Conservatives will move on to talking about where they poll


backs, Brexit, 70% of people put that as their top issue. I think, as


we move into the final stages, 11 days today until polling day, it


will be Brexit versus NHS, that is my own feeling on it, and it says


here, after the terrorism of the last week, there has been such a big


paws, it is almost like the whole campaign is starting all over again.


That was bound to lead all the parties to reflect on security


matters for a while, wasn't it? But inevitably, and some point, they


will go back to where they were. Absolutely, as per the story in the


Observer, they will have to rethink how they are positing Brexit in the


next couple of weeks, because that is vital to everything, including


the NHS. The Sunday Mirror reports on the BA chaos, an extraordinary


image of hundreds of suitcases. I was reflecting this morning, when we


first in the newspaper industry moved over to computers, those of us


who moved from typewriters on Friday and started on a computer on Monday


morning, we were a little bit nervous and kept everything backed


up, so we printed things out, typed them up, printed them... Some of us


still do! As we got more used to computers, they have taken over our


lives, and we don't have any back-up now. As we have seen, while they are


wonderful and speed things up, when they go wrong, this is what happens.


Of course, I wonder if BA have a way of printing out the old tickets!


Even if they have, they don't know where the planes are, because it has


also affected their call centres, all their information systems. I


think, you know, coming two weeks after the NHS hacked, it is not a


hack, just a breakdown, but what we are starting to see, actually, is


how automation and technical failure can affect our well-being. I have to


say, I am stocked up on bottles of water and ours theirs in case the


National Grid goes down! It just seems to me that there is a climate


of holes in people's systems. It does mean that the war on cyber


security is very important, this is just a small element of the sort of


thing that could happen. And the wider implications are, as the


Mirror says, there will be a huge compensation bill, with people


claiming presumably not just for the loss of that particular flight, but


the knock-on effects, holidays that may have been lost, as you say,


hotels overnight, and there is a reputation issue as well.


Absolutely. People who have flown... I had a colleague who was flying to


a wedding yesterday evening, and he booked on a budget airline which was


cheaper than British Airways, and he was saying, thank goodness I booked


with a cheaper airline. It just goes to show, you know, you can pay more


and get less. It is because there is a residual problem today, and that


is going to carry on for a couple of weeks. If it could have been put


right within 24 hours, we might have been able to look past it, but it


will be ruining after right across the week, and so this story will run


and run, and that is where the real damage will be done. A one off, we


could forgive or overlooked. We have got and a half left, so I am turning


slightly nervously to page 21 of the Mail on Sunday, who wants to kick


off what people should wear when reading the news on BBC?! I think


you are safe, Julian, you are not wearing any M, or if you are, it


is not immediately apparent! According to the Mail on Sunday, BBC


presenters like that have been told not to wear M type clothing, and


to wear block colours, to generally look tidy. And you pointed at me! I


said your suit was beautiful! It says no trainers or leather or mock


leather, no genes or shorts. We can't see and the table, Julian, but


I can assure the view is that you are not wearing shorts! In the old


days, I can remember doing the night-time newspaper review in the


old building... Trade secrets coming out now! I can remember Peter Dobbie


looking so fantastic, and I looked underneath the desk, and he was in a


filthy pair of jeans and scuffed trainers, and I couldn't believe it!


Peter Dobbie is not available for comment, I should point out! Those


are the days when we never had to stand up. Whereas now they are


swinging around and looking at you from all angles. The Prime Minister


will not be here in a ?900 trousers! I suppose we should not distract, is


that the point? Yes, and I agree what they say about hair, long hair


is distracting, it should be tied back. You know, bright ties can be


distracting, we want a newsreader to almost be... Careful! You are both


things, Julian, highly sophisticated and trustworthy! But really you want


to hear their voice, you don't want to be looking at them and


thinking... Look, he is glowing! You can both come back again! When I


first did TV, somebody said, don't worry what you say, they will just


trying to hold my stomached in, and trying to hold my stomached in, and


it paid working! On that uplifting sartorial note, thank you to Shyama


and David. Just a reminder, we take a look


at tomorrow's front pages every It's been a fairly quiet


weather morning across the UK. However, we are


expecting some changes. Now, there will be some dry weather


and some sunshine for most of us. However, storms are just waiting


in the wings to head our way, and this is one part of the UK


that will see some changes


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