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Now on BBC News, here's Julian with The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
at what the papers are saying this Sunday morning. | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
With me are journalist and broadcaster Shyama Perera | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
and the political editor for the Sun, Dave Wooding. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
This morning's front pages, starting with the Observer. | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
It leads with expert calls for the Government to keep | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
co-operating with the EU on security and intelligence after Brexit. | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
The Sunday Express talked to Theresa May about her meeting | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
with some of the victims of the Manchester attack | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
Like many Sunday papers, the Mail on Sunday | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
carries a CCTV image showing the Manchester bomber, Salman Abedi, | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
The UK's Security Minister has told the Sunday Telegraph | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
that social-media firms are not doing enough to tackle extremism. | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
And the Sunday Times talks about the Conservative Party | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
after Labour narrows the gap in the polls to the single figures. | :01:04. | :01:12. | |
We will dip into some of those in the neck 15 minutes or so, the Mail | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
on Sunday, Shyama, this is a chilling image of Salman Abedi. | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
Well, it is and it isn't, Julian, and what is remarkable about these | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
images is abnormal this young man looks. I wouldn't look at him once, | :01:28. | :01:35. | |
let alone twice. -- is how normal this young man looks. I just wonder | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
about using terms like the face of evil, the action was evil - when you | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
use terms like that, people start looking for people who look evil, | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
and the whole point about terrorist is that they look like you and me. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
We need to change the language so we can all start understanding what we | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
should be looking for, rather than constantly looking for someone who | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
looks like they are up to no good, because that is not how they look. I | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
suppose I use the word chilling because we know what is going to | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
happen with the benefit of hindsight. It is a striking picture, | :02:14. | :02:23. | |
and like Shyama says, the normal sign of him, the body warmer, the | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
baseball cap, Nike trainers which I gather sell for about ?300, that | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
sort of thing. You can just say, over to the right of this picture, | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
the only visible sign of the atrocity he was about to commit if | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
the strap from the rucksack which contained, as we now know, the nuts | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
and bolts. Police releasing the image because they want to get more | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
information about what he was doing so they can find out more about | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
others who may have been involved. Thank goodness for CCTV, some of the | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
goodness it does in enabling them to piece together these events. The | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
Sunday Telegraph, some quite strong language from the security minister. | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
Yes, there have been lots of different aspects to the terror | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
attack, people looking at things we can do to stop radicalisation, to | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
track down potential killers, and basically to nip in the bud the root | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
causes of radical extremism. The security minister, Ben Wallace, | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
apologies, having a right go at the media firms, the likes of... He | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
doesn't name them, but Facebook and Twitter, social media giants, saying | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
they are duplicitous, saying that, you know, videos are radicalising | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
writ in's youth, they are doing nothing to take these down. He uses | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
phrases such as these companies flogging details about our lives to | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
commercial companies, but they won't do anything about stopping these | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
videos going up which are spreading hate and extremism. It is pretty | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
strong language. I'm not sure what he's saying that underpins his | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
allegations, because obviously things have to be posted before they | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
can be removed, and as I understand it, a lot of these companies, | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
including Facebook, have taken on greater numbers of staff to try and | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
deal with it, but it is still humans who make those judgment goals, and | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
therefore there is always going to be a slight delay. I would add to | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
this and say, not only are the terrorist groups on social media, | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
but we need, all of us, to find a way of toning down language and | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
expressions of loathing and hatred on all forms of online discussion, | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
including, in my opinion, you know, the Daily Mail comments, the | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
Guardian comments. You look at those, sexist, violent, deeply | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
unpleasant, and they may not be jihadi, but it is all part of a | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
movement, it seems to me, that is predominantly male, predominantly | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
aggressive, predominantly hostile, particularly actually, towards | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
women, and you know, all of that underpins jihadism. Obviously, these | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
are different, led by an ideology, but what I am saying is that hatred | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
breeds hatred, and what we should all be doing is finding ways, a | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
solution to minimise the expressions of hatred. The Observer front page, | :05:33. | :05:41. | |
who wants to kick this off? Future relationships with the European | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
Union, with particular reference to security once the Brexit stealers | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
done. We have heard various explanations for terrorism, not | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
excuses, but different things behind it, people have discussed cuts in | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
policing, which Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, has said is not an issue. | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
Jeremy Corbyn as even discussed the foreign policy of Britain, again, | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
challenged. What the Observer seems to be pointing to is Brexit, | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
surprising that nobody has blamed Brexit, it gets blamed for | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
everything else, but Dominic Grieve, the Tory chairman of the Commons | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
intelligence and security committee, the former Chief Constable of | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
Northern Ireland police service, Sir Hugh Orde, and the head of Europol | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
have all said that we need to be within the EU to combat terrorism. | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
Part of the problem of being members of Europol and the criminal | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
intelligence agency across Europe is that you have to accept the | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, and that is one of the | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
three things that Britain is going to pull out of. Which could be part | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
of the final deal, of course. For me, it makes me worried as a punter, | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
because I think, do I trust any of the parties that are currently | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
begging for my vote to be able to come up with such a sophisticated | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
and well structured strategy that they can pull all this off while | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
simultaneously removing us from the EU? I just can't see it. Staying | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
with election matters, Shyama, the front of the Sunday Times, taking us | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
back to the election campaign to an extent, with particular reference to | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
the Conservative campaign, which they aren't bearing to never story | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
is based on an opinion poll. I think they should be nervous, my straw | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
polls locally in the Borough of Brent pointing to huge changes among | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
people, myself included! We are a marginal constituency, hamsters and | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
Kilburn, we hang by 1200 votes. You are doing the BBC thing of offering | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
caution! Of course! I say this only slightly playfully, because I have | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
talked to a cross-section of people, I think they are right to be | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
nervous. I don't know of Lynton Crosby can turn things around in two | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
or three weeks. Having said that, who would have said even a week ago | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
that the Tories would suddenly lose that extraordinary leader that they | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
had? Anything is possible, suddenly the election has become exciting. If | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
there is a relaunch, what would it look like? Well, I suspect that | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
similar things that are being spoken about so far are not having any | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
cut-through. Attacking Jeremy Corbyn on the IRA links is not working, we | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
have a poll in the Sun on Sunday showing that most people are not | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
bothered by it, people think he is a statesman or a dangerous man. So I | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
think the Conservatives will move on to talking about where they poll | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
backs, Brexit, 70% of people put that as their top issue. I think, as | :08:50. | :08:59. | |
we move into the final stages, 11 days today until polling day, it | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
will be Brexit versus NHS, that is my own feeling on it, and it says | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
here, after the terrorism of the last week, there has been such a big | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
paws, it is almost like the whole campaign is starting all over again. | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
That was bound to lead all the parties to reflect on security | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
matters for a while, wasn't it? But inevitably, and some point, they | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
will go back to where they were. Absolutely, as per the story in the | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
Observer, they will have to rethink how they are positing Brexit in the | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
next couple of weeks, because that is vital to everything, including | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
the NHS. The Sunday Mirror reports on the BA chaos, an extraordinary | :09:40. | :09:50. | |
image of hundreds of suitcases. I was reflecting this morning, when we | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
first in the newspaper industry moved over to computers, those of us | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
who moved from typewriters on Friday and started on a computer on Monday | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
morning, we were a little bit nervous and kept everything backed | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
up, so we printed things out, typed them up, printed them... Some of us | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
still do! As we got more used to computers, they have taken over our | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
lives, and we don't have any back-up now. As we have seen, while they are | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
wonderful and speed things up, when they go wrong, this is what happens. | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
Of course, I wonder if BA have a way of printing out the old tickets! | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
Even if they have, they don't know where the planes are, because it has | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
also affected their call centres, all their information systems. I | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
think, you know, coming two weeks after the NHS hacked, it is not a | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
hack, just a breakdown, but what we are starting to see, actually, is | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
how automation and technical failure can affect our well-being. I have to | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
say, I am stocked up on bottles of water and ours theirs in case the | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
National Grid goes down! It just seems to me that there is a climate | :11:00. | :11:10. | |
of holes in people's systems. It does mean that the war on cyber | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
security is very important, this is just a small element of the sort of | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
thing that could happen. And the wider implications are, as the | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
Mirror says, there will be a huge compensation bill, with people | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
claiming presumably not just for the loss of that particular flight, but | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
the knock-on effects, holidays that may have been lost, as you say, | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
hotels overnight, and there is a reputation issue as well. | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
Absolutely. People who have flown... I had a colleague who was flying to | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
a wedding yesterday evening, and he booked on a budget airline which was | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
cheaper than British Airways, and he was saying, thank goodness I booked | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
with a cheaper airline. It just goes to show, you know, you can pay more | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
and get less. It is because there is a residual problem today, and that | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
is going to carry on for a couple of weeks. If it could have been put | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
right within 24 hours, we might have been able to look past it, but it | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
will be ruining after right across the week, and so this story will run | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
and run, and that is where the real damage will be done. A one off, we | :12:15. | :12:23. | |
could forgive or overlooked. We have got and a half left, so I am turning | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
slightly nervously to page 21 of the Mail on Sunday, who wants to kick | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
off what people should wear when reading the news on BBC?! I think | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
you are safe, Julian, you are not wearing any M, or if you are, it | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
is not immediately apparent! According to the Mail on Sunday, BBC | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
presenters like that have been told not to wear M type clothing, and | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
to wear block colours, to generally look tidy. And you pointed at me! I | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
said your suit was beautiful! It says no trainers or leather or mock | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
leather, no genes or shorts. We can't see and the table, Julian, but | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
I can assure the view is that you are not wearing shorts! In the old | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
days, I can remember doing the night-time newspaper review in the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
old building... Trade secrets coming out now! I can remember Peter Dobbie | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
looking so fantastic, and I looked underneath the desk, and he was in a | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
filthy pair of jeans and scuffed trainers, and I couldn't believe it! | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
Peter Dobbie is not available for comment, I should point out! Those | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
are the days when we never had to stand up. Whereas now they are | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
swinging around and looking at you from all angles. The Prime Minister | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
will not be here in a ?900 trousers! I suppose we should not distract, is | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
that the point? Yes, and I agree what they say about hair, long hair | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
is distracting, it should be tied back. You know, bright ties can be | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
distracting, we want a newsreader to almost be... Careful! You are both | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
things, Julian, highly sophisticated and trustworthy! But really you want | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
to hear their voice, you don't want to be looking at them and | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
thinking... Look, he is glowing! You can both come back again! When I | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
first did TV, somebody said, don't worry what you say, they will just | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
trying to hold my stomached in, and trying to hold my stomached in, and | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
it paid working! On that uplifting sartorial note, thank you to Shyama | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
and David. Just a reminder, we take a look | :14:39. | :14:39. | |
at tomorrow's front pages every It's been a fairly quiet | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
weather morning across the UK. However, we are | :14:43. | :14:53. | |
expecting some changes. Now, there will be some dry weather | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
and some sunshine for most of us. However, storms are just waiting | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
in the wings to head our way, and this is one part of the UK | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
that will see some changes | :15:03. | :15:06. |