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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment -

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Jeremy Corbyn apologises after being unable to come up

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with the cost of Labour's key childcare policy

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Meanwhile, Theresa May returns to her main election message -

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saying only the Conservatives can be trusted to win a good

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Launching the SNP manifesto - Nicola Sturgeon says victory

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in Scotland would 'further reinforce' the mandate for a second

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Senior political figures in Wales take part in a television debate

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ahead of next week's general election.

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The singer Ariana Grande announces she's returning to perform

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in Manchester less than two weeks after the bombing that

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Police say three men arrested in connection

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with the Manchester bombing have been released without charge.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be

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With me are Ben Chu, Economics and business

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editor at The Independent, and Dave Wooding, political editor

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Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...

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The Metro leads with what it calls a car crash interview -

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where Jeremy Corbyn stumbled over the cost of Labour's free childcare

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The Daily Telegraph says it has seen leaked documents showing a Labour

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plan to allow thousands of unskilled migrants to enter

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The same story is in the Mail adding that proposals also include axing

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rules which limit foreign spouses living here unless they can

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show they will not be a 'burden' on the taxpayer.

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The Guardian focuses on Theresa May saying Jeremy Corbyn's policies

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would leave him "alone and naked" in the negotiating chamber

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of the EU, they call it her strongest personal attack

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The Times refers to a YouGov poll suggesting the Conservatives

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could be in line to lose 20 seats and Labour gain nearly 30

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The Daily Star's top story is the American pop star

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Ariana Grande returning to the UK on Sunday, for a benefit

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concert for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack -

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the line up includes Justin Bieber, Coldplay and Take That.

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And one of the stories on the Financial Times is a plan

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by London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Transport For London

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for people to be able to use their phones on the tube.

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We will discuss whether or not it is a good idea. Then, the metro are

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kicking off with what has been described as a car crash interview

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by Jeremy Corbyn on Woman's Hour, "I'm sorry, I haven't a clue". He

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apologised afterwards, he could not remember how much the childcare

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policy would cost. An apology was in order, it goes to show there is no

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good in having a fully costed manifesto which you brandish as a

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sign of Vista goal -- fiscal possibility. There has been a

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suggestion on twitter saying whether this interview technique was unfair,

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asking Labour spokespeople on the numbers and what they are saying,

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isn't it turning policies into a memory test? That does not really

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wash, 30 hours of free childcare to two to four-year-olds, it's big. He

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launched it today, it wasn't out of the blue. To not know those numbers,

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it's no wonder people are, down hard on him. It's not the first in that

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election campaign? There have been multiple car crashes, multiple

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pilots! If you look at the words people use during the by-election,

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strong and stable, the Britain that works for everyone, many and not the

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few, if you topped up their terms that Jeremy Corbyn Ernst during the

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interview, that's probably the word of the election. These interviews

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are fair game. You always hear people complaining who are loyal

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supporters of that particular party. But being Prime Minister in Theresa

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May's case, you put yourself forward for that job and you must accept the

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scrutiny. It is fair game for people to ask these questions. The problem

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is, as you rightly say, he has been asking questions about a detailed

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policy that he had nothing else to go on and discuss. He would have

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been briefed by his aides about the fine details of that policy. You

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would think he would know every dot and, of it. -- every dot of it.

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There is no excuse come is you think that he would have been served badly

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by his aides, if they wrote it down... And how does it compare to

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other car crashes like Diane Abbott? The police figures car crash... I

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think it is worse. He is the party leader, for a start. This was all

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about that particular announcement. It is a simple figure. They did the

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costings at that stage but with Diane Abbott they had not released

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documentation. All they needed to do was read the document they put

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alongside the manifesto. There are only 12 or 15 lines, not a huge feat

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of memory. And will the voters care? He apologised, it does not matter...

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I listened to that, you were cringing from the first minute when

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you heard it. It was sharp intakes of breath galore! I think it will

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have an impact but it moves people in small degrees. If you compare him

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with Gordon Brown, when he does radio or TV interviews he would have

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his aides up at 5am. They would moan to me about it. Tracked in at 5am,

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files and detailed documents, with figures and facts galore. And Gordon

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would be completely on top of it. A tough job at the top. You would

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know! The Times newspaper, according to The Times, Jeremy Corbyn is doing

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all right as they have a shock poll predicting Tory losses!? It's

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interesting, they are almost apologetic and how they write the

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story, saying do not take it too literally... It is astonishing if

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this happened. The Conservatives would actually lose about 30

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seats... Sorry, 20 seats. And Labour would gain 30. On one reading of

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this model that you got have done is a bottom-up exercise in how the

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seats will change -- YouGov. Consider five weeks ago when Theresa

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May called this snap general election it was on the assumption

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that they would get a landslide. For her to cement her position and to

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lose in the House of Commons would be one of the most astonishing

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reversals in modern electoral history. Even if she only gets a few

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more seats than before, people would say, what is that all about?

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People's expectations are so high, if she ends up with 40, a majority

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of 40 seats, it would be regarded as a massive... Why did we go through

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this hell? And the Tories, if they are struggling, we do not know

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whether to believe in a poll like that, or any poll, but if they are

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struggling, why? This general election is unique in some ways. It

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is completely different from something that we have seen in

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recent history. When you put yourself to the country, you get

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scrutinised, as we have seen in interviews. People look at them like

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Theresa May, we haven't seen much in the years since she became Prime

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Minister. One thing she did different to David Cameron and Tony

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Blair was to stay out the news. She has told us little. During the

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campaign like this, it's inevitable she is scrutinised a and night every

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day, in front of the cameras. And conversely, are people warming to

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Jeremy Corbyn? Despite that car crash interview? Are they beginning

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to like him, in a way? It is difficult to see. In the polls but

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who is the best leader and Brexit in the economy, it is clear Theresa May

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is held in much higher esteem by the public then Jeremy Corbyn. There is

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no significant shift as far as I have seen on those indicators. It is

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worth pointing out in another poll today showing the Conservatives have

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a 12 point lead, down from about 25 points but it is at odds with the

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idea that we are heading for that. And there is another poll showing

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Theresa May is in line for a 100 seat majority. Someone will end up

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with egg on their face! The Daily Mail has a story about Labour's plan

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for Britain to open their doors wider. Letting in tens of thousands

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of unskilled migrants, being leaked? It has the hallmarks of a

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Conservative operation, leaking what would be perceived to be very

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damaging for Labour, being soft on immigration and going to the

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Telegraph and the mail. Presumably something left by a photocopier in

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the House of Commons has been scooped up by conservative workers.

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I do not know how concrete it is as a policy, whether it is hypothetical

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or what they are intending to do. Or how serious it is. Will it lead to

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tens of thousands or is it eight-week? We don't know, the

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messages Labour are soft on immigration. I can see a change

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in... Not the time but the subject matter of the election here. We had

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this break with tragic events in Manchester, which stopped

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campaigning. What we also know from the polls is attacking Jeremy Corbyn

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on the IRA is not really sticking or having an effect. All of these

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businesses about strong and stable leadership and past consorting with

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terrorists, not having the slightest bit of impact. They seem to go for

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areas where it does work. You may see Labour going for the NHS more.

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25% of people put it as a top issue. Immigration is a top issue with

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Brexit. We will hear the Conservatives talking a lot about

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Brexit and immigration. Speaking of the NHS, that queues up nicely The i

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newspaper. They have Jeremy Hunt saying that it bad Brexit will

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damage the NHS? I do not think it is a planned intervention, The i

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newspaper reporter doorstep and said, what about the NHS? The

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response was if you want a strong NHS you need a strong Conservative

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Party. I don't think this is a concerted effort to say to vote for

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the Conservatives to protect the NHS. We all know the NHS is strong.

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Everyone associates Labour with being the party of the NHS. I think

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Jeremy Hunt is effectively saying something he has to say within his

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brief. I don't think it is particularly calculated. It is

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interesting but not what we have heard before. People like Jeremy

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Hunt, we have not seen hugely in the campaign? It is funny how some of

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the top Tory leadership are kept under wraps? That was all that

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policy about Theresa May's team. You vote for her team as she is a strong

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leader. Jeremy Corbyn, as we were saying, looks more attractive as a

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politician and things are changing a little bit here. Away from the

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election... You talked about Manchester. And Ariana Grande

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announcing her concert on Sunday. In Manchester. Her concert of defiance

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is the Daily Mirror's headline. Not just her but other big stars? That's

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a good headline, it was a cultural terror attack, striking at the heart

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of something that is very resonant in a lot of people's lives. Going to

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a pop concert and the feeling is that they decided to carry on. Have

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an even bigger concert. And a load of other megastars there. That is

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how to honour them and help victims. It starts with young fan bases like

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she has. A strong message going to terrorists, you cannot frighten or

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divide us. We will remain free and have this concert to show you...

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Some people have suggested it is too soon? With people being treated in

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hospital and so on... It is fundraising to help the campaign.

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There's a concert on Thursday from the other great music scene in

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Manchester, the classical music scene with the BBC Philharmonic

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Orchestra. Sir Mark Elder, they will all be performing a concert on

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Thursday to raise money. Classical music is raising its bit -- is doing

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its bit. They have shown extraordinary solidarity and unity,

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in trying to overcome this? It is very difficult when something like

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this happens. To know what tone to strike. It is sad, all of these

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emotions are mixed up. I must say that Andy Burnham, the numeric

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Manchester, has done a terrific job in speaking on behalf of the city.

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Having just been elected. Yes, he has been a cabinet minister and that

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high level of authority has given him the ability to speak for the

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people with a good voice. Let's talk about the Financial Times. They have

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a story, I do not know if it is good news or bad news. The idea that you

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may be able to use your mobile phone or the time on the tube? That will

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increase chatter levels... The London mayor has a lot on his plate.

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He has the whole Brexit thing and the impact of the City of London,

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the disaster of Stafford rail. It does not strike me that this should

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be high on the list of priorities. People on their mobile phones while

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on the Underground, it has been a safe haven from that kind of thing.

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I remember reading these stories ten or 15 years ago about how we will

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soon, in only be able to talk on the underground on our mobile phones. --

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imminently. Have you seen it in action? In Hong Kong, they have the

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ability to do it and it is not very pleasant to be a passenger. People

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shouting to their mobile phones in Protestant -- proximity to you. I

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would not recommend it. Even though it is coming! Perhaps with all of

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the chatter we are hearing, they should have a new line called

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chatter chatter tube tube? You are good, you should work in newspapers!

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And mobiles on the cheap? Most tube journeys are quite short. You can

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use them on the tube if you come from alkaline districts into the

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underground. It is central London where most of us are taking, what is

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the average journey? Ten or 15 minutes? There are moments though

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when you need to receive or send a text and you can't. I can see the

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benefits of it but maybe they should have one carriage at the back where

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you can use your phone? A noisy carriage! The Guardian have, is 80

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the new 50? Let's hope so! You are never old until you are on death's

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door! The idea that you turn 65 and then you are an old person... It's

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interesting, the statistics saying that when Beveridge, in the 1940s,

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said the retirement age should be 65, half of people died before they

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reached 70. It makes sense, you are old at this stage. Now, people get

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to 90, 100... You are clearly not old when you are 65. Even 70.

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Essentially, Sarah Harper, co-director of the Oxford Institute,

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say that they had to reform how they think of age and old people. As I

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say, you are not really old until you are no longer an active adult

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which can be at any time. You might be 80, or even 90. You should not be

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called old? That is what she argues! Thanks, I'm coming back again for

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that! At this time of night, you drag me on and that is what I get!

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It is true, you see people now in their 70s, and you say, gosh, is he

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75? It does not look it. The standard of health, that is better.

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The interesting thing is maybe people are older before they are old

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at the other end of the scale. We talk about giving younger people the

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vote at 16 and the rights that people get coming on younger. Our

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adult life is actually expanding at both ends. You are telling us,

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people aged 100... That is increasing? In the 18th century

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there were only ten aged 100 but there are 20,500 in the UK alone and

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estimates by the end of the century there will be 1.5 million over the

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age of 100 in the UK. It goes to show... Fascinating statistics to

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leave us with. Thank you to both of you. I apologise for questioning

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your age. Let's have a look at some of the

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other stories making the news this evening... Jeremy Corbyn apologises

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for not being able to come up with the cost of Labour's key childcare

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policy during an interview on the BBC on Woman's Hour. But he is not

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apologising for that

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