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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment -


Jeremy Corbyn apologises after being unable to come up


with the cost of Labour's key childcare policy


Meanwhile, Theresa May returns to her main election message -


saying only the Conservatives can be trusted to win a good


Launching the SNP manifesto - Nicola Sturgeon says victory


in Scotland would 'further reinforce' the mandate for a second


Senior political figures in Wales take part in a television debate


ahead of next week's general election.


The singer Ariana Grande announces she's returning to perform


in Manchester less than two weeks after the bombing that


Police say three men arrested in connection


with the Manchester bombing have been released without charge.


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be


Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be


With me are Ben Chu, Economics and business


editor at The Independent, and Dave Wooding, political editor


Tomorrow's front pages, starting with...


The Metro leads with what it calls a car crash interview -


where Jeremy Corbyn stumbled over the cost of Labour's free childcare


The Daily Telegraph says it has seen leaked documents showing a Labour


plan to allow thousands of unskilled migrants to enter


The same story is in the Mail adding that proposals also include axing


rules which limit foreign spouses living here unless they can


show they will not be a 'burden' on the taxpayer.


The Guardian focuses on Theresa May saying Jeremy Corbyn's policies


would leave him "alone and naked" in the negotiating chamber


of the EU, they call it her strongest personal attack


The Times refers to a YouGov poll suggesting the Conservatives


could be in line to lose 20 seats and Labour gain nearly 30


The Daily Star's top story is the American pop star


Ariana Grande returning to the UK on Sunday, for a benefit


concert for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack -


the line up includes Justin Bieber, Coldplay and Take That.


And one of the stories on the Financial Times is a plan


by London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Transport For London


for people to be able to use their phones on the tube.


We will discuss whether or not it is a good idea. Then, the metro are


kicking off with what has been described as a car crash interview


by Jeremy Corbyn on Woman's Hour, "I'm sorry, I haven't a clue". He


apologised afterwards, he could not remember how much the childcare


policy would cost. An apology was in order, it goes to show there is no


good in having a fully costed manifesto which you brandish as a


sign of Vista goal -- fiscal possibility. There has been a


suggestion on twitter saying whether this interview technique was unfair,


asking Labour spokespeople on the numbers and what they are saying,


isn't it turning policies into a memory test? That does not really


wash, 30 hours of free childcare to two to four-year-olds, it's big. He


launched it today, it wasn't out of the blue. To not know those numbers,


it's no wonder people are, down hard on him. It's not the first in that


election campaign? There have been multiple car crashes, multiple


pilots! If you look at the words people use during the by-election,


strong and stable, the Britain that works for everyone, many and not the


few, if you topped up their terms that Jeremy Corbyn Ernst during the


interview, that's probably the word of the election. These interviews


are fair game. You always hear people complaining who are loyal


supporters of that particular party. But being Prime Minister in Theresa


May's case, you put yourself forward for that job and you must accept the


scrutiny. It is fair game for people to ask these questions. The problem


is, as you rightly say, he has been asking questions about a detailed


policy that he had nothing else to go on and discuss. He would have


been briefed by his aides about the fine details of that policy. You


would think he would know every dot and, of it. -- every dot of it.


There is no excuse come is you think that he would have been served badly


by his aides, if they wrote it down... And how does it compare to


other car crashes like Diane Abbott? The police figures car crash... I


think it is worse. He is the party leader, for a start. This was all


about that particular announcement. It is a simple figure. They did the


costings at that stage but with Diane Abbott they had not released


documentation. All they needed to do was read the document they put


alongside the manifesto. There are only 12 or 15 lines, not a huge feat


of memory. And will the voters care? He apologised, it does not matter...


I listened to that, you were cringing from the first minute when


you heard it. It was sharp intakes of breath galore! I think it will


have an impact but it moves people in small degrees. If you compare him


with Gordon Brown, when he does radio or TV interviews he would have


his aides up at 5am. They would moan to me about it. Tracked in at 5am,


files and detailed documents, with figures and facts galore. And Gordon


would be completely on top of it. A tough job at the top. You would


know! The Times newspaper, according to The Times, Jeremy Corbyn is doing


all right as they have a shock poll predicting Tory losses!? It's


interesting, they are almost apologetic and how they write the


story, saying do not take it too literally... It is astonishing if


this happened. The Conservatives would actually lose about 30


seats... Sorry, 20 seats. And Labour would gain 30. On one reading of


this model that you got have done is a bottom-up exercise in how the


seats will change -- YouGov. Consider five weeks ago when Theresa


May called this snap general election it was on the assumption


that they would get a landslide. For her to cement her position and to


lose in the House of Commons would be one of the most astonishing


reversals in modern electoral history. Even if she only gets a few


more seats than before, people would say, what is that all about?


People's expectations are so high, if she ends up with 40, a majority


of 40 seats, it would be regarded as a massive... Why did we go through


this hell? And the Tories, if they are struggling, we do not know


whether to believe in a poll like that, or any poll, but if they are


struggling, why? This general election is unique in some ways. It


is completely different from something that we have seen in


recent history. When you put yourself to the country, you get


scrutinised, as we have seen in interviews. People look at them like


Theresa May, we haven't seen much in the years since she became Prime


Minister. One thing she did different to David Cameron and Tony


Blair was to stay out the news. She has told us little. During the


campaign like this, it's inevitable she is scrutinised a and night every


day, in front of the cameras. And conversely, are people warming to


Jeremy Corbyn? Despite that car crash interview? Are they beginning


to like him, in a way? It is difficult to see. In the polls but


who is the best leader and Brexit in the economy, it is clear Theresa May


is held in much higher esteem by the public then Jeremy Corbyn. There is


no significant shift as far as I have seen on those indicators. It is


worth pointing out in another poll today showing the Conservatives have


a 12 point lead, down from about 25 points but it is at odds with the


idea that we are heading for that. And there is another poll showing


Theresa May is in line for a 100 seat majority. Someone will end up


with egg on their face! The Daily Mail has a story about Labour's plan


for Britain to open their doors wider. Letting in tens of thousands


of unskilled migrants, being leaked? It has the hallmarks of a


Conservative operation, leaking what would be perceived to be very


damaging for Labour, being soft on immigration and going to the


Telegraph and the mail. Presumably something left by a photocopier in


the House of Commons has been scooped up by conservative workers.


I do not know how concrete it is as a policy, whether it is hypothetical


or what they are intending to do. Or how serious it is. Will it lead to


tens of thousands or is it eight-week? We don't know, the


messages Labour are soft on immigration. I can see a change


in... Not the time but the subject matter of the election here. We had


this break with tragic events in Manchester, which stopped


campaigning. What we also know from the polls is attacking Jeremy Corbyn


on the IRA is not really sticking or having an effect. All of these


businesses about strong and stable leadership and past consorting with


terrorists, not having the slightest bit of impact. They seem to go for


areas where it does work. You may see Labour going for the NHS more.


25% of people put it as a top issue. Immigration is a top issue with


Brexit. We will hear the Conservatives talking a lot about


Brexit and immigration. Speaking of the NHS, that queues up nicely The i


newspaper. They have Jeremy Hunt saying that it bad Brexit will


damage the NHS? I do not think it is a planned intervention, The i


newspaper reporter doorstep and said, what about the NHS? The


response was if you want a strong NHS you need a strong Conservative


Party. I don't think this is a concerted effort to say to vote for


the Conservatives to protect the NHS. We all know the NHS is strong.


Everyone associates Labour with being the party of the NHS. I think


Jeremy Hunt is effectively saying something he has to say within his


brief. I don't think it is particularly calculated. It is


interesting but not what we have heard before. People like Jeremy


Hunt, we have not seen hugely in the campaign? It is funny how some of


the top Tory leadership are kept under wraps? That was all that


policy about Theresa May's team. You vote for her team as she is a strong


leader. Jeremy Corbyn, as we were saying, looks more attractive as a


politician and things are changing a little bit here. Away from the


election... You talked about Manchester. And Ariana Grande


announcing her concert on Sunday. In Manchester. Her concert of defiance


is the Daily Mirror's headline. Not just her but other big stars? That's


a good headline, it was a cultural terror attack, striking at the heart


of something that is very resonant in a lot of people's lives. Going to


a pop concert and the feeling is that they decided to carry on. Have


an even bigger concert. And a load of other megastars there. That is


how to honour them and help victims. It starts with young fan bases like


she has. A strong message going to terrorists, you cannot frighten or


divide us. We will remain free and have this concert to show you...


Some people have suggested it is too soon? With people being treated in


hospital and so on... It is fundraising to help the campaign.


There's a concert on Thursday from the other great music scene in


Manchester, the classical music scene with the BBC Philharmonic


Orchestra. Sir Mark Elder, they will all be performing a concert on


Thursday to raise money. Classical music is raising its bit -- is doing


its bit. They have shown extraordinary solidarity and unity,


in trying to overcome this? It is very difficult when something like


this happens. To know what tone to strike. It is sad, all of these


emotions are mixed up. I must say that Andy Burnham, the numeric


Manchester, has done a terrific job in speaking on behalf of the city.


Having just been elected. Yes, he has been a cabinet minister and that


high level of authority has given him the ability to speak for the


people with a good voice. Let's talk about the Financial Times. They have


a story, I do not know if it is good news or bad news. The idea that you


may be able to use your mobile phone or the time on the tube? That will


increase chatter levels... The London mayor has a lot on his plate.


He has the whole Brexit thing and the impact of the City of London,


the disaster of Stafford rail. It does not strike me that this should


be high on the list of priorities. People on their mobile phones while


on the Underground, it has been a safe haven from that kind of thing.


I remember reading these stories ten or 15 years ago about how we will


soon, in only be able to talk on the underground on our mobile phones. --


imminently. Have you seen it in action? In Hong Kong, they have the


ability to do it and it is not very pleasant to be a passenger. People


shouting to their mobile phones in Protestant -- proximity to you. I


would not recommend it. Even though it is coming! Perhaps with all of


the chatter we are hearing, they should have a new line called


chatter chatter tube tube? You are good, you should work in newspapers!


And mobiles on the cheap? Most tube journeys are quite short. You can


use them on the tube if you come from alkaline districts into the


underground. It is central London where most of us are taking, what is


the average journey? Ten or 15 minutes? There are moments though


when you need to receive or send a text and you can't. I can see the


benefits of it but maybe they should have one carriage at the back where


you can use your phone? A noisy carriage! The Guardian have, is 80


the new 50? Let's hope so! You are never old until you are on death's


door! The idea that you turn 65 and then you are an old person... It's


interesting, the statistics saying that when Beveridge, in the 1940s,


said the retirement age should be 65, half of people died before they


reached 70. It makes sense, you are old at this stage. Now, people get


to 90, 100... You are clearly not old when you are 65. Even 70.


Essentially, Sarah Harper, co-director of the Oxford Institute,


say that they had to reform how they think of age and old people. As I


say, you are not really old until you are no longer an active adult


which can be at any time. You might be 80, or even 90. You should not be


called old? That is what she argues! Thanks, I'm coming back again for


that! At this time of night, you drag me on and that is what I get!


It is true, you see people now in their 70s, and you say, gosh, is he


75? It does not look it. The standard of health, that is better.


The interesting thing is maybe people are older before they are old


at the other end of the scale. We talk about giving younger people the


vote at 16 and the rights that people get coming on younger. Our


adult life is actually expanding at both ends. You are telling us,


people aged 100... That is increasing? In the 18th century


there were only ten aged 100 but there are 20,500 in the UK alone and


estimates by the end of the century there will be 1.5 million over the


age of 100 in the UK. It goes to show... Fascinating statistics to


leave us with. Thank you to both of you. I apologise for questioning


your age. Let's have a look at some of the


other stories making the news this evening... Jeremy Corbyn apologises


for not being able to come up with the cost of Labour's key childcare


policy during an interview on the BBC on Woman's Hour. But he is not


apologising for that


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