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working west to east across the country, another breezy day and that

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makes way for a fairly unsettled week ahead. Bye for now.

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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment -

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Police have named two of the three men responsible

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They're Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane.

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Khuram Butt was 27, a British citizen, and born in Pakistan,

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who used to work on the London Underground.

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He was known to the security services but police say there was no

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A vigil has been held in central London to commemorate the seven

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people who died, and 48 others injured in Saturday's London Bridge

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18 people remain in a critical condition.

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The first victim to be named is 30-year-old

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The sister of James McMullan says she believes her brother is also

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With me are Laura Perrins, Co-Editor of the website

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The Conservative Woman and Torcuil Crichton,

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the political editor of The Daily Record.

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'The i' leads its coverage with the conciliatory words

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by a relative of one of the victims, in Saturday's attack at London

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The Metro calls a Romanian baker a 'true Brit',

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after he squared up and confronted the attackers.

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The Sun asks why the authorities didn't stop the attacker

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Khuram Butt, after he appeared on a TV documentary

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The Guardian reports on the Metropolitan Police's

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plans to reform the national counter-terrorism strategy.

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While the Times says one of the attackers was known

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to the authorities as having links to the 7/7 suspects.

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The Daily Telegraph leads with Khuram Butt's openness

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about his extremist views, before carrying out

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The Daily Mirror asks how did Butt slip through the security net,

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despite being known to the authorities.

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And the Mail says MI5 and Scotland Yard investigated

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Khuram Butt two years ago, then let him go.

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Lots of questions indeed concerning Khuram Butt. Seemed to be on the

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radar of the authorities. "Brazen Jihad is that it was free to parade

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his extremism on TV. " He appeared in a Channel 4 documentary on

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extremism. Overall, a bad night for the security services, MI5 and

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Scotland Yard. It is actually beyond parody in that Khuram Butt, first of

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all, a Pakistani born and then came to Britain with his parents, Britain

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granted them refugee status, just like the parents of the killer from

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the Manchester attack. Khuram Butt in the background of the Channel 4

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documentary called The Jihadis Next Door. He was free to carry out the

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attack. Even worse but the security services, he did fall under

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investigation but was deemed not to be a threat of the investigation was

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pulled back. Also, within the story in the Telegraph, the third

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individual who was not named, was also named to the security services.

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The question now will be, is there a gap in the legislation, do the

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security services need more power to take somebody like Khuram Butt on,

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if he isn't explicitly planning an attack but looks like a real risk to

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safety of the public? What else can be done in terms of legislation? It

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may be that there is nothing that can be done but there is a question

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that needs to be looked at. The bottom line is, MI5, the security

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agencies, they have a lot of people to look out. -- to look at. 3000, it

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may be. That still leaves a lot of other people who need to be looked

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at as well. They took the decision that this man was not the kind of

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serious threat that needed 24-hour surveillance. Because the killers

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have been named, or two of the three of them have been named, across all

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the papers today. No surprise he wasn't a clean skin, he was on the

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radar, off the radar, back on the radar. He was on the Channel 4

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documentary The Jihadis Next Door. He wasn't considered a risk.

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Britain's most senior antiterrorism officer, defending his decision,

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saying there was nothing that would suggest that a decision had been

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made. They knew about this guy but prioritised him into the lower

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echelons of their investigators work. Every day, they have to make

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these calls on who to follow, who to monitor, who to directly approach,

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echoes of -- because the bad guys know that a good guys are looking at

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them. They can't get at them all. The focus now does turn on why was

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he missed, why do you keep missing him. You can't legislate people

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thinking about people planning an act of terrorism. In part of the

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documentary, we are going to the Daily Mirror... How the hell did he

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slipped through? The London Bridge terrorist. In a few words, say what

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everybody is thinking. How the hell did he get through. He is literally

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on TV advertising the fact that he is a jihadi. He is unfurling an ice

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is flat. It seems astonishing that he would stay either below the radar

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for this long. -- Isis flag. This is not somebody who is just outside the

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main. OK, he is unfurling a Isis flag. I was told by a

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counterterrorism experts that it takes 20 people 24 hours a day to

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watch somebody. What are you going to do? I think unfurling a Isis flag

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could amount to infighting hatred. You can be pulled up for a tweet

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these days. The Met Will now put people under investigation. Yet you

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can go on national TV, it seems, and unfurl the Isis flag and you won't

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even be pulled in for questioning. He was obviously pulled in

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questioning and was spoken to bite if the guy unfurls our flag in the

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hope that he will be arrested... I'm not sure if it is a proper Isis

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flag. The headline says unfurling a Isis fla on Channel 4 from The

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Jihadis Next Door. I don't think there is any question in relation to

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the fact this ... He must have said something that could have amounted

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to, an offence. It would be a low level a fence, no doubt about that.

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Which means he probably wouldn't have been held for that long --

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offence. The Times goes into this in-depth as

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to whether or not there was a greater network. This is the issue.

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Initially it may seem minor, you know, he is not that serious. If you

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probe deeply enough it may be that there is a more serious network

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behind him. But it is speculative. Yes, it is speculative and takes

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time and resources. Meanwhile you have 3000 people who are serious

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about potentially doing something. This brings up, again, talk of

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control orders. How do you monitor someone when you do not have

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evidence, to put them on a court of law? It is two things. Guys out

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there on and off the radar, you cannot monitor them all at the same

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time and, B, it shows us the scale of the problem and the changes since

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March 22 when we thought that guy on Westminster and we saw someone

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gunned down, the mistake then was to think that that was it, that that

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was the big attack that London had been waiting for. It was not. It was

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the first act in this three act tragedy, coming up to the general

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election on Thursday. Let's just bring up the Daily Mail. We had him

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and let him go... If there was a change and it was anticipated, this

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change in activity, five foiled activities and three successful, why

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are we having an election in the middle of all of this?! The campaign

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was suspended for a day yesterday... But the decision to stage an

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election must of been taken against the background of this increased

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activity because it must have been on the radar. I heard and imams

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speak today talking about the fact that you always get a spike in

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attacks during Ramadan. Ramanathan is the holy month. It is a

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particularly special month for anyone who apparently wants to

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perform jihad. There was a call from Isis to do that. That is another

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interesting question. Britain faces different level of terror threat

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police warn. This brings us, starting to bring us onto the

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political dimension of all of this. Of course, this plays into the

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election campaign. And, whether or not, the police, that there are

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enough of them, festival and whether Conservative cuts have contributed

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to a situation, a different situation on the ground. And, also,

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whether or not police and security services and need more powers. The

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duelling battle between those two ideas. It is beginning to sink in

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now that this is a real and significant, serious threat in

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Britain and Scotland Yard's Assistant Commissioner is saying the

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changes may be necessary to cover one, the police, too, MI5 and three,

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and communities, technology companies, the law, and other

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areas... On the other -- one hand I have great sympathy but on the other

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I think we should always examine closely when somebody asks for, when

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is police and security ask for yet more power. What I would want to

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know is what is the gap? What prevented them from pursuing Khuram

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Butt. He was known. Stop them? What was in the decision-making process

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that said we would downgrade him. Is it having lots of extra powers or

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more police officers on the street, would that have changed that

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decision? Perhaps. I certainly think there should be more police on, you

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know, on the beat. Not behind their desks. Labour tried to make a lot

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about these 20,000 cuts. It may be relevant but if those police

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officers simply put behind a desk as opposed to within the community they

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serve, I doubt it would make much of a difference. You have encapsulated

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what the debate has been all day today between conservative and

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labour and what it would be if the next 50 odd hours until the polls

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open on Thursday morning. We have Tuesday and Wednesday left and

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security and who keeps us save, what the gaps are and where they are,

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whether there are enough leaves and whether they should be harmed, these

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are the questions that will play out over the next two days in the

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election campaign. The front page of the Times, another attacker linked

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to the 77 bombing attack. One of the gaps could be simply being on the

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end of a phone on the anti-terrorist Hotline and taking the call and

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noting down the details. Apparently two calls were made about this man

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over the last few years by members of his own community. This story is

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quite complex and in terms it is saying that there could be a much

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wider link and he was linked to a greater terrorist network. In

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particular he was a contact of the eldest of the four suicide bombers

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on 77. Bling seems to be through a gym in East London where Khuram Butt

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actually work. It is at issue, if you downgrade an investigation, what

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you miss behind the scenes? It may be that there are only a few steps

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to go before you up a wider network. Again, it is easier to speculate

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than actually be there but this is always the problem between resources

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and whether you have 20,000 suspects, how far can East

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investigation go? It is a real problem now and it may be that

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resources will have to change. The Times does a good treatment of what

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we know about the suspect all, the killers, and joining these dots

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through an East London gym, a trainer there who was linked to hate

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preacher who supplied the 77 killers. So directly between Khuram

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Butt and one of the four 7/7 bombers. They have balance that with

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pictures of one of the missing victims and that two killers

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themselves. We touched on the political dimension of all that. I

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would like to say that the Times have done our story on James

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McMullan. This is a man who apparently, I think, a body has been

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found and his credit card has been found. But as yet there has not been

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a formal identification. Yes. It is his sister who gave a statement,

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Melissa McGowan. -- McMullan. It is horrific to the family but they are

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sure that their brother has died. The front page of the Daily Express

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talking about Theresa May asking to be trusted to keep them all say. We

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know where the Daily Express is coming from. She had trouble today

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is selling an outline, however. I went at a press conference. 21

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questions, no answers. You know? She was challenged six times directly on

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whether she regretted or whether she should have got police numbers and

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each time she dodged and avoided comment she went to a 2015 Timeline

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when the Conservative government said they would increase numbers.

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But there were a good five years before then where police numbers

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were down. She is not out of the woods on this, far from it. At the

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same time, on the front page of the Guardian, me unpatriotic? Complete

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nonsense says Jeremy Corbyn. Attacks on him because of comments that he

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made about anti- terror legislation in the past. It is bad news to

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Jeremy Corbyn if he has to actually have an interview to confirm that he

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is patriotic. And does not want... You would expect Labour in the last

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72 hours of the campaign for the Conservatives to focus on Jeremy

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Corbyn and his perceived lack of... There should not be a question

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marked that the proposed leader of the UK should be unpatriotic but

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here we are debating map. In fairness to Jeremy Corbyn, many

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people did oppose certain aspects of the previous terror legislation. But

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what concerns me, leaving Jeremy Corbyn aside, in particular, is John

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McDonald who I think we has previously signed a letter calling

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for MI5 and armed police to be disbanded. There is one thing not

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have enough resources, another thing to completely disband MI5 and

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someone said that a victory in the British state as a victory for

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assault. Those kind... We will have to ended there, I am sorry. I know

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you could go on for much longer. Thank you. Don't forget you can see

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all the front pages of the papers online on the BBC News website. You

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can also watch it later on the BBC I play. Thank you again to both of you

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for joining us.

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