05/06/2017 The Papers

working west to east across the country, another breezy day and that

makes way for a fairly unsettled week ahead. Bye for now.

We'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment -

Police have named two of the three men responsible

They're Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane.

Khuram Butt was 27, a British citizen, and born in Pakistan,

who used to work on the London Underground.

He was known to the security services but police say there was no

A vigil has been held in central London to commemorate the seven

people who died, and 48 others injured in Saturday's London Bridge

18 people remain in a critical condition.

The first victim to be named is 30-year-old

The sister of James McMullan says she believes her brother is also

With me are Laura Perrins, Co-Editor of the website

The Conservative Woman and Torcuil Crichton,

the political editor of The Daily Record.

'The i' leads its coverage with the conciliatory words

by a relative of one of the victims, in Saturday's attack at London

The Metro calls a Romanian baker a 'true Brit',

after he squared up and confronted the attackers.

The Sun asks why the authorities didn't stop the attacker

Khuram Butt, after he appeared on a TV documentary

The Guardian reports on the Metropolitan Police's

plans to reform the national counter-terrorism strategy.

While the Times says one of the attackers was known

to the authorities as having links to the 7/7 suspects.

The Daily Telegraph leads with Khuram Butt's openness

about his extremist views, before carrying out

The Daily Mirror asks how did Butt slip through the security net,

despite being known to the authorities.

And the Mail says MI5 and Scotland Yard investigated

Khuram Butt two years ago, then let him go.

Lots of questions indeed concerning Khuram Butt. Seemed to be on the

radar of the authorities. "Brazen Jihad is that it was free to parade

his extremism on TV. " He appeared in a Channel 4 documentary on

extremism. Overall, a bad night for the security services, MI5 and

Scotland Yard. It is actually beyond parody in that Khuram Butt, first of

all, a Pakistani born and then came to Britain with his parents, Britain

granted them refugee status, just like the parents of the killer from

the Manchester attack. Khuram Butt in the background of the Channel 4

documentary called The Jihadis Next Door. He was free to carry out the

attack. Even worse but the security services, he did fall under

investigation but was deemed not to be a threat of the investigation was

pulled back. Also, within the story in the Telegraph, the third

individual who was not named, was also named to the security services.

The question now will be, is there a gap in the legislation, do the

security services need more power to take somebody like Khuram Butt on,

if he isn't explicitly planning an attack but looks like a real risk to

safety of the public? What else can be done in terms of legislation? It

may be that there is nothing that can be done but there is a question

that needs to be looked at. The bottom line is, MI5, the security

agencies, they have a lot of people to look out. -- to look at. 3000, it

may be. That still leaves a lot of other people who need to be looked

at as well. They took the decision that this man was not the kind of

serious threat that needed 24-hour surveillance. Because the killers

have been named, or two of the three of them have been named, across all

the papers today. No surprise he wasn't a clean skin, he was on the

radar, off the radar, back on the radar. He was on the Channel 4

documentary The Jihadis Next Door. He wasn't considered a risk.

Britain's most senior antiterrorism officer, defending his decision,

saying there was nothing that would suggest that a decision had been

made. They knew about this guy but prioritised him into the lower

echelons of their investigators work. Every day, they have to make

these calls on who to follow, who to monitor, who to directly approach,

echoes of -- because the bad guys know that a good guys are looking at

them. They can't get at them all. The focus now does turn on why was

he missed, why do you keep missing him. You can't legislate people

thinking about people planning an act of terrorism. In part of the

documentary, we are going to the Daily Mirror... How the hell did he

slipped through? The London Bridge terrorist. In a few words, say what

everybody is thinking. How the hell did he get through. He is literally

on TV advertising the fact that he is a jihadi. He is unfurling an ice

is flat. It seems astonishing that he would stay either below the radar

for this long. -- Isis flag. This is not somebody who is just outside the

main. OK, he is unfurling a Isis flag. I was told by a

counterterrorism experts that it takes 20 people 24 hours a day to

watch somebody. What are you going to do? I think unfurling a Isis flag

could amount to infighting hatred. You can be pulled up for a tweet

these days. The Met Will now put people under investigation. Yet you

can go on national TV, it seems, and unfurl the Isis flag and you won't

even be pulled in for questioning. He was obviously pulled in

questioning and was spoken to bite if the guy unfurls our flag in the

hope that he will be arrested... I'm not sure if it is a proper Isis

flag. The headline says unfurling a Isis fla on Channel 4 from The

Jihadis Next Door. I don't think there is any question in relation to

the fact this ... He must have said something that could have amounted

to, an offence. It would be a low level a fence, no doubt about that.

Which means he probably wouldn't have been held for that long --

offence. The Times goes into this in-depth as

to whether or not there was a greater network. This is the issue.

Initially it may seem minor, you know, he is not that serious. If you

probe deeply enough it may be that there is a more serious network

behind him. But it is speculative. Yes, it is speculative and takes

time and resources. Meanwhile you have 3000 people who are serious

about potentially doing something. This brings up, again, talk of

control orders. How do you monitor someone when you do not have

evidence, to put them on a court of law? It is two things. Guys out

there on and off the radar, you cannot monitor them all at the same

time and, B, it shows us the scale of the problem and the changes since

March 22 when we thought that guy on Westminster and we saw someone

gunned down, the mistake then was to think that that was it, that that

was the big attack that London had been waiting for. It was not. It was

the first act in this three act tragedy, coming up to the general

election on Thursday. Let's just bring up the Daily Mail. We had him

and let him go... If there was a change and it was anticipated, this

change in activity, five foiled activities and three successful, why

are we having an election in the middle of all of this?! The campaign

was suspended for a day yesterday... But the decision to stage an

election must of been taken against the background of this increased

activity because it must have been on the radar. I heard and imams

speak today talking about the fact that you always get a spike in

attacks during Ramadan. Ramanathan is the holy month. It is a

particularly special month for anyone who apparently wants to

perform jihad. There was a call from Isis to do that. That is another

interesting question. Britain faces different level of terror threat

police warn. This brings us, starting to bring us onto the

political dimension of all of this. Of course, this plays into the

election campaign. And, whether or not, the police, that there are

enough of them, festival and whether Conservative cuts have contributed

to a situation, a different situation on the ground. And, also,

whether or not police and security services and need more powers. The

duelling battle between those two ideas. It is beginning to sink in

now that this is a real and significant, serious threat in

Britain and Scotland Yard's Assistant Commissioner is saying the

changes may be necessary to cover one, the police, too, MI5 and three,

and communities, technology companies, the law, and other

areas... On the other -- one hand I have great sympathy but on the other

I think we should always examine closely when somebody asks for, when

is police and security ask for yet more power. What I would want to

know is what is the gap? What prevented them from pursuing Khuram

Butt. He was known. Stop them? What was in the decision-making process

that said we would downgrade him. Is it having lots of extra powers or

more police officers on the street, would that have changed that

decision? Perhaps. I certainly think there should be more police on, you

know, on the beat. Not behind their desks. Labour tried to make a lot

about these 20,000 cuts. It may be relevant but if those police

officers simply put behind a desk as opposed to within the community they

serve, I doubt it would make much of a difference. You have encapsulated

what the debate has been all day today between conservative and

labour and what it would be if the next 50 odd hours until the polls

open on Thursday morning. We have Tuesday and Wednesday left and

security and who keeps us save, what the gaps are and where they are,

whether there are enough leaves and whether they should be harmed, these

are the questions that will play out over the next two days in the

election campaign. The front page of the Times, another attacker linked

to the 77 bombing attack. One of the gaps could be simply being on the

end of a phone on the anti-terrorist Hotline and taking the call and

noting down the details. Apparently two calls were made about this man

over the last few years by members of his own community. This story is

quite complex and in terms it is saying that there could be a much

wider link and he was linked to a greater terrorist network. In

particular he was a contact of the eldest of the four suicide bombers

on 77. Bling seems to be through a gym in East London where Khuram Butt

actually work. It is at issue, if you downgrade an investigation, what

you miss behind the scenes? It may be that there are only a few steps

to go before you up a wider network. Again, it is easier to speculate

than actually be there but this is always the problem between resources

and whether you have 20,000 suspects, how far can East

investigation go? It is a real problem now and it may be that

resources will have to change. The Times does a good treatment of what

we know about the suspect all, the killers, and joining these dots

through an East London gym, a trainer there who was linked to hate

preacher who supplied the 77 killers. So directly between Khuram

Butt and one of the four 7/7 bombers. They have balance that with

pictures of one of the missing victims and that two killers

themselves. We touched on the political dimension of all that. I

would like to say that the Times have done our story on James

McMullan. This is a man who apparently, I think, a body has been

found and his credit card has been found. But as yet there has not been

a formal identification. Yes. It is his sister who gave a statement,

Melissa McGowan. -- McMullan. It is horrific to the family but they are

sure that their brother has died. The front page of the Daily Express

talking about Theresa May asking to be trusted to keep them all say. We

know where the Daily Express is coming from. She had trouble today

is selling an outline, however. I went at a press conference. 21

questions, no answers. You know? She was challenged six times directly on

whether she regretted or whether she should have got police numbers and

each time she dodged and avoided comment she went to a 2015 Timeline

when the Conservative government said they would increase numbers.

But there were a good five years before then where police numbers

were down. She is not out of the woods on this, far from it. At the

same time, on the front page of the Guardian, me unpatriotic? Complete

nonsense says Jeremy Corbyn. Attacks on him because of comments that he

made about anti- terror legislation in the past. It is bad news to

Jeremy Corbyn if he has to actually have an interview to confirm that he

is patriotic. And does not want... You would expect Labour in the last

72 hours of the campaign for the Conservatives to focus on Jeremy

Corbyn and his perceived lack of... There should not be a question

marked that the proposed leader of the UK should be unpatriotic but

here we are debating map. In fairness to Jeremy Corbyn, many

people did oppose certain aspects of the previous terror legislation. But

what concerns me, leaving Jeremy Corbyn aside, in particular, is John

McDonald who I think we has previously signed a letter calling

for MI5 and armed police to be disbanded. There is one thing not

have enough resources, another thing to completely disband MI5 and

someone said that a victory in the British state as a victory for

assault. Those kind... We will have to ended there, I am sorry. I know

you could go on for much longer. Thank you. Don't forget you can see

all the front pages of the papers online on the BBC News website. You

can also watch it later on the BBC I play. Thank you again to both of you

for joining us.