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Hello, and welcome to our look at the Sunday papers.

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With me are the journalist and broadcaster James Rampton

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and Prashant Rao, deputy Europe business editor at

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The Mail on Sunday, which claims that the Prime Minister Theresa May

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is considering a dramatic U-turn on university tuition fees

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to attract younger voters to the Conservative Party.

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The Observer reports a Tory revolt against public sector cuts,

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suggesting Theresa May is facing pressure from within her cabinet,

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who are demanding a radical overhaul of state funding

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The Sunday Telegraph reports claims that Number 10 has told business

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leaders that Theresa May could walk out of Brexit talks over

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The Express reports that British fishermen will be given exclusive

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rights to a 12-mile zone around the coastline under

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And "Rogue SAS unit accused of executing civilians"

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is the headline on the cover of The Sunday Times.

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Easy thing to do, the easy options or the easy achievements, targets

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are there, because all they have to do is make the same number of

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chances they have made in both Test matches and put them away and cut

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the penalties out and they have got every chance to carry off what would

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be a monumental victory in the series.

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So, let us begin then, and the Sunday Telegraph. Number Ten

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plotting a Brexit walk outment do we think they really are? I am

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fascinated by this, it really hiss the tightrope that Number Ten is

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walking over Brexit negotiations, this story is interesting, it talks

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about how this is something for domestic consumption, you are doing

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these negotiations not just in a negotiating room in Brussels or in

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London, European ministers will be briefing against you, pro Brexit,

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anti-Brexit MPs will be briefing against you, you have to stage these

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dramatic things like walking out of negotiation in which you have 18

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months to complete. ... It is probably not a good idea in advance

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to say you will lose out. It loses the element of surprise. I travel a

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lot for my Josh I was in Stockholm and met an Italian journalist, he

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said you do realised you have become a laughing stock, in the UK, the way

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you have behaved, and he said and this was a terrible insult. He said

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it is worse than Sylvio Berlusconi what you have done. I can't

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disagree. If you read the foreign press they say what is the UK doing?

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If Mrs May is threatening that, they will be laughing, she has no legs to

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stand on. She doesn't even have a Conservative majority Government, so

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he is going to Europe, throwing her weight round, talking about being a

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bloody difficult woman and you you, you know, no deal is better than a

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bad deal. They are saying fine, off you go then. They have all the cards

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now, so... And her points are saying with the DUP negotiations, she ended

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up giving them a billion pounds. Now other ministers are haggling over

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that money for schools and education and it was no problem to give them

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that and fly them back on the RAF flight from London to Belfast, mine,

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don't get me started! Also, on the sort of post-Brexit Sunday express

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saying no foreign fishing in our water, Brexit bonus, Britain takes

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back control of the coasts. So this is other countries not able to fish

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within 12 miles of UK... We shouldn't overstate the economic

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impact this will have. It doesn't account for a huge amount of the

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fishing that happens in British water, we are talking about single

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digits. It is a significant move. I don't mean to down play it. We

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should put it in the proper context. It is an interesting move. It is

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parliament of the broader Brexit negotiation. It won't happen

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tomorrow, but as and when it happens, this is all the various,

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you know, as we were talking about in the EU election, so the Brexit

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cap page -- campaign, there is is a litany of... This was signed in

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1964, before Britain joined the... This is one of those things where

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there is all kinds of agreement in which the eau is directly or

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otherwise involved. I cannot wrap my head round the sheer size of what is

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going to happen. I would say the Sunday Express is a great flag waver

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for Brexit, this is classic symbolic Britannia rules the waves territory,

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you know, the seas, it is a very important emblem for our power we

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once had which we no longer have, the way in which we dominated --

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dominated the world, for certain people, the resonance of that is

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still very important, and to say we are going to take back control of

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the 12 mile zone, it sound great but you are right, the numbers aren't

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going to add up to much. Symbolically it is important. This

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story that seems to be bubbling away there is a volt within the Tory

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party, within the Cabinet, even, against austerity, really, in the

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wake of the election, what do you make of that? We are talking earlier

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a billion pounds here or there, sooner or later we are talking about

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real money. Some serious ministries are asking for more money. We are

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talking about health, education, Damian Green was quoted last night

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in which he said we might have to rethink the tuition fee situation

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and university, I can't remember which paper say that is estimated to

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be ?8 billion. This is a lot of money along with the 1 billion for

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Northern Ireland, all of a sudden we are talking about serious... From a

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Tory strategy point of view, is this the best way of deflating Labour and

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Jeremy Corbyn, if they do ease up on austerity, do they take some of the

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wind out of Labour's sails The Observer has an interesting poll in

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which they were talking about April 19th, only about a little more than

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two months ago. Theresa May had a net positive... A lifetiming a. Plus

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21, Jeremy Corbyn negative 35. Now, Theresa May negative 20, Jeremy

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Corbyn plus four and Labour has a six point lead in the polls. The

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Tories in their arrogant way, thought you know, we will call an

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election and have 150 seat majority, they didn't take account of the fact

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that Corbyn was a brilliant campaigner and Theresa May was a

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terrible campaigner, so, the result of that is that they are struggling

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now, to keep up, that the wind is in Corbyn's sails to use another

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nautical reference and you go to cricket matches, people are chanting

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oh Jeremy Corbyn, Glastonbury, he has become a cult, and the Tories

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seem completely lost how to respond that. I have got three daughters who

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are students and you know, they said they didn't have to talk to Tory

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students very long to convince them to vote Labour because he was

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offering to remove tuition fees, I mean that is an obvious thing to do.

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You are right Damian Green is flagging up that even that flagship

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Tory policy may be ending. Let talks about that since you nicely take us

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on to that. The tuition fee. Are they really plans, the Mail on

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Sunday saying Theresa May ready to consider a dramatic U-turn on

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tuition fees to woo young voters back, but surely that won't mean

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scrapping tuition fees in the way Labour have suggested. Everything is

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up for grab, it seems like it. You know, there have been several

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interviews that show the result of the election mean the Government is

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not the strongest position. People coming for money, maybe it leads to

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vote. We don't know which one could, Theresa May, leave aside the Brexit

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thing, which is already complicated, domestically this is is a whole host

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of issues in which every minister must be banging down the door asking

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for Mormon. It shows the power of the youth vote in the election,

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which was, had never really been harnessed before, young voters

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registering and voting Labour. What was fascinating in the EU referendum

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only 40% of 18-25-year-olds voted. In the last election, a couple of

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weeks ago it was 70%, and people like my daughters and their

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generation were getting out the vote. They are calling themselves

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generation vote, social media was important. Labour did lots of funny

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memes and pictures they were putting o to encourage young people to

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engage. It is great the next generation is becoming involved with

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politics because somebody has to take over this country, when we move

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on, and I do think this all plays into the total lack of authority

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that Theresa May has now, I mean people might complain we didn't vote

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for the removal of tuition fee, we didn't vote for the DUP to get ?1.5

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million. As you say all bets are off now and they will do anything to

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cling to power. The power of that youth vote, tuition fees is a

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crucial issue. We can recall about 2025 were tuition fees were raised

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or implemented for British voter, round then, that was a hugely

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controversial policy at the time and there were so many defectors from

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Labour rank, this is a political issue that has destroyed political

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careers. Nick Clegg, what is he remember for? A U-turn. And for

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2,000 odd Sheffield Hallam students rising up against him and make his

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lose his seats. You are right, that is what he is most remember for,

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betraying Liberal Democrats about student tuition fees. Revenge is a

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dish served cold. Let us move on the something different. The Sunday

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Times have a story about a rogue SAS unit accused of executing sieve rans

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in Afghanistan. We have to say the Ministry of Defence has said that

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they have disputeded this story, we have to make that clear, but the

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Sunday Times has some interesting allegations, that have been

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apparently compiled by the Royal Military Police, about certain

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things that the SAS was doing in Afghanistan, they talk about special

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forces soldiers are alleged to have handcuffed and shot prisoners. It

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did not need to be investigated. This is really remarkable. We will

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have to see the result as it comes through, according to the Sunday

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Times it has been curtailed, there is not much we can... It is a sort

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of operation, a police investigation called Operation North Moore It has

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been going on for a year half from a secure bunker in Cornwall. It is

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amazing it has got to this degree and not many of us knew about it. I

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absolutely agree Prashant, it could be serious, for the MoD and the

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suggestions are they want to just make it go away, because if any of

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these allegations, and they are only allegations are proven, it is

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catastrophic for the army's credibility. Sunday Times have got a

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story about parents facing a ?60 fine if their kids are late for

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school. Is that fair snuff? Enough? This is a case of do as I say not do

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as I do. First of all, the story quotes the government's behaviour

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Zaha. Who knew he existed. Several councils are sort of canning the

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idea of fines if pupils are late but the behaviours are Tom Bennett

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admits he was late for school every day studying for A-levels. I would

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have been several thousand pounds in debt to the school when my children

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were growing up. It very hard to get three children out of the house,

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well, is not but I am saying it is, but what scares me is the possible

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sanctions they are going to bring in, make children collect litter,

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remove chewing Garry Monk gum or mop classroom floor, measures used in

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South Korea, maybe we should be copying it! I am sure no-one is late

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for school in South Korea. Back to the Sundayel graph. They have a

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Grenfell council, the Government warning Kensington and Chelsea

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Council, couldn't taken over by commissioners, and it has been so

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criticised. We were talking about this earlier, this is a tragedy,

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everyone is right to say so, but, the response to what happened has

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been astonish, the kind of thing, this Tory says, that some of the

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families were evacuated, they were, charged rent on their flats. Are Are

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still being charged rent. Etch though there is no hot water. I Noah

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to say. I think I reflects badly on the sense of entitlement certain

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political leaders have. I mean, I deplored the manner in which

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Nicholas Paget-Brown resigned yesterday. He got the resignation

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wrong, he was so tone deaf, completely grudging he seemed to me

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and without dignity and he used the phrase which may have been provided

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by lawyers perceived fail, you know my perception of that phrase is it

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is really offensive to the victims and their family, those may well be

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the same lawyers that gave him the great advice not the let the press

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into the Cabinet meeting on Thursday, which ultimately

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precipitating his downfall. There has been no council in the country

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could have coped with the disaster on this scale. That may be true.

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People have cited Camden Council. The leader has been out and about,

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knocking on the doors of the people that they were evacuating, making

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her presence felt. Nobody has seen Nicholas Paget-Brown and his cabinet

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seem to have gone into hiding. I don't know if that is true. That is

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the reports that no-one has seen him and in this world it is all about

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perceptions and image, and the perception is they have failed

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miserably. OK, let us go on to rugby. Well, are you rugby people? I

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am a massive fan. You will have to take this over. I had five friend

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over yesterday morning, and my wife, who had had a bit of a late-night on

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Friday and my youngest daughter were upstairs and by 8.45, ten minutes

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after kick off, they had been woken up three times by our shouting. In

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the end they came down to watch, they said o we can't sleep through

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this. The shouting, all over the country for people watching was

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amazing, because the, to give you some of the stats, the All Blacks

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have not lost at home since 2009. They were playing with a man down.

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He deserved to go off, he did a shoulder charge on a defenceless

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man. I think it is a one of the great British and Irish victories

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and oh my gosh f you thought the shouting was loud yesterday, wait

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till next Saturday, the decider. He is going to come round to your house

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and watch it with you. It sound like a good party. I think I am going to

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come. It is only tea and cake we have. The doctor won't see you now,

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family doctors will be able to turn away all but life-or-death patients.

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It goes backs to something the Health Secretary said where the NHS

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needs, seems to need more money. I everything is stretched, everything

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seems to be, you know, increasingly under pressure and so, NHS practises

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may have to think in more creative ways how best to allocate resources

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until the funding situation is resolved. What it indicates to me,

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not only the people are fed up with austerity, the minutesters are fed

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up with it. They are getting criticism -- ministers. Their

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services are failing and they are saying, they may well be say we are

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giving the DUP one billion, why can't we give to it the NHS and

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school? Nurses get a 1% pay rise, that is outrageous, a what they do

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is astonishing, their pay is capped is disgraceful. If one of buy

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Borough Councils of this election disaster for the Tories is they lift

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austerity hooray. Andy Murray, we have done rugby, can we do tennis? I

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am not a huge fan but there is few things better than the English

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summer for sport. Cricket, tennis. Do you think Andy Murray can do it

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again. He has a bad hip. My worry is he overturns the idea of the great

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British loser, we have prided ourselves on being gallant loser,

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and now he is winning, I mean, our heads are so messed up. It is the

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hope that kills us. Good luck to Sir Andy, thank you to both of you.

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Many thanks for be with us. We will take a look at tomorrow's front

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pages every evening during the week at 10.40 here on BBC News.

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