02/07/2017 The Papers


A lively, informed and in-depth conversation about the Sunday papers.

Similar Content

Browse content similar to 02/07/2017. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!



Hello, and welcome to our look at the Sunday papers.


With me are the journalist and broadcaster James Rampton


and Prashant Rao, deputy Europe business editor at


The Mail on Sunday, which claims that the Prime Minister Theresa May


is considering a dramatic U-turn on university tuition fees


to attract younger voters to the Conservative Party.


The Observer reports a Tory revolt against public sector cuts,


suggesting Theresa May is facing pressure from within her cabinet,


who are demanding a radical overhaul of state funding


The Sunday Telegraph reports claims that Number 10 has told business


leaders that Theresa May could walk out of Brexit talks over


The Express reports that British fishermen will be given exclusive


rights to a 12-mile zone around the coastline under


And "Rogue SAS unit accused of executing civilians"


is the headline on the cover of The Sunday Times.


Easy thing to do, the easy options or the easy achievements, targets


are there, because all they have to do is make the same number of


chances they have made in both Test matches and put them away and cut


the penalties out and they have got every chance to carry off what would


be a monumental victory in the series.


So, let us begin then, and the Sunday Telegraph. Number Ten


plotting a Brexit walk outment do we think they really are? I am


fascinated by this, it really hiss the tightrope that Number Ten is


walking over Brexit negotiations, this story is interesting, it talks


about how this is something for domestic consumption, you are doing


these negotiations not just in a negotiating room in Brussels or in


London, European ministers will be briefing against you, pro Brexit,


anti-Brexit MPs will be briefing against you, you have to stage these


dramatic things like walking out of negotiation in which you have 18


months to complete. ... It is probably not a good idea in advance


to say you will lose out. It loses the element of surprise. I travel a


lot for my Josh I was in Stockholm and met an Italian journalist, he


said you do realised you have become a laughing stock, in the UK, the way


you have behaved, and he said and this was a terrible insult. He said


it is worse than Sylvio Berlusconi what you have done. I can't


disagree. If you read the foreign press they say what is the UK doing?


If Mrs May is threatening that, they will be laughing, she has no legs to


stand on. She doesn't even have a Conservative majority Government, so


he is going to Europe, throwing her weight round, talking about being a


bloody difficult woman and you you, you know, no deal is better than a


bad deal. They are saying fine, off you go then. They have all the cards


now, so... And her points are saying with the DUP negotiations, she ended


up giving them a billion pounds. Now other ministers are haggling over


that money for schools and education and it was no problem to give them


that and fly them back on the RAF flight from London to Belfast, mine,


don't get me started! Also, on the sort of post-Brexit Sunday express


saying no foreign fishing in our water, Brexit bonus, Britain takes


back control of the coasts. So this is other countries not able to fish


within 12 miles of UK... We shouldn't overstate the economic


impact this will have. It doesn't account for a huge amount of the


fishing that happens in British water, we are talking about single


digits. It is a significant move. I don't mean to down play it. We


should put it in the proper context. It is an interesting move. It is


parliament of the broader Brexit negotiation. It won't happen


tomorrow, but as and when it happens, this is all the various,


you know, as we were talking about in the EU election, so the Brexit


cap page -- campaign, there is is a litany of... This was signed in


1964, before Britain joined the... This is one of those things where


there is all kinds of agreement in which the eau is directly or


otherwise involved. I cannot wrap my head round the sheer size of what is


going to happen. I would say the Sunday Express is a great flag waver


for Brexit, this is classic symbolic Britannia rules the waves territory,


you know, the seas, it is a very important emblem for our power we


once had which we no longer have, the way in which we dominated --


dominated the world, for certain people, the resonance of that is


still very important, and to say we are going to take back control of


the 12 mile zone, it sound great but you are right, the numbers aren't


going to add up to much. Symbolically it is important. This


story that seems to be bubbling away there is a volt within the Tory


party, within the Cabinet, even, against austerity, really, in the


wake of the election, what do you make of that? We are talking earlier


a billion pounds here or there, sooner or later we are talking about


real money. Some serious ministries are asking for more money. We are


talking about health, education, Damian Green was quoted last night


in which he said we might have to rethink the tuition fee situation


and university, I can't remember which paper say that is estimated to


be ?8 billion. This is a lot of money along with the 1 billion for


Northern Ireland, all of a sudden we are talking about serious... From a


Tory strategy point of view, is this the best way of deflating Labour and


Jeremy Corbyn, if they do ease up on austerity, do they take some of the


wind out of Labour's sails The Observer has an interesting poll in


which they were talking about April 19th, only about a little more than


two months ago. Theresa May had a net positive... A lifetiming a. Plus


21, Jeremy Corbyn negative 35. Now, Theresa May negative 20, Jeremy


Corbyn plus four and Labour has a six point lead in the polls. The


Tories in their arrogant way, thought you know, we will call an


election and have 150 seat majority, they didn't take account of the fact


that Corbyn was a brilliant campaigner and Theresa May was a


terrible campaigner, so, the result of that is that they are struggling


now, to keep up, that the wind is in Corbyn's sails to use another


nautical reference and you go to cricket matches, people are chanting


oh Jeremy Corbyn, Glastonbury, he has become a cult, and the Tories


seem completely lost how to respond that. I have got three daughters who


are students and you know, they said they didn't have to talk to Tory


students very long to convince them to vote Labour because he was


offering to remove tuition fees, I mean that is an obvious thing to do.


You are right Damian Green is flagging up that even that flagship


Tory policy may be ending. Let talks about that since you nicely take us


on to that. The tuition fee. Are they really plans, the Mail on


Sunday saying Theresa May ready to consider a dramatic U-turn on


tuition fees to woo young voters back, but surely that won't mean


scrapping tuition fees in the way Labour have suggested. Everything is


up for grab, it seems like it. You know, there have been several


interviews that show the result of the election mean the Government is


not the strongest position. People coming for money, maybe it leads to


vote. We don't know which one could, Theresa May, leave aside the Brexit


thing, which is already complicated, domestically this is is a whole host


of issues in which every minister must be banging down the door asking


for Mormon. It shows the power of the youth vote in the election,


which was, had never really been harnessed before, young voters


registering and voting Labour. What was fascinating in the EU referendum


only 40% of 18-25-year-olds voted. In the last election, a couple of


weeks ago it was 70%, and people like my daughters and their


generation were getting out the vote. They are calling themselves


generation vote, social media was important. Labour did lots of funny


memes and pictures they were putting o to encourage young people to


engage. It is great the next generation is becoming involved with


politics because somebody has to take over this country, when we move


on, and I do think this all plays into the total lack of authority


that Theresa May has now, I mean people might complain we didn't vote


for the removal of tuition fee, we didn't vote for the DUP to get ?1.5


million. As you say all bets are off now and they will do anything to


cling to power. The power of that youth vote, tuition fees is a


crucial issue. We can recall about 2025 were tuition fees were raised


or implemented for British voter, round then, that was a hugely


controversial policy at the time and there were so many defectors from


Labour rank, this is a political issue that has destroyed political


careers. Nick Clegg, what is he remember for? A U-turn. And for


2,000 odd Sheffield Hallam students rising up against him and make his


lose his seats. You are right, that is what he is most remember for,


betraying Liberal Democrats about student tuition fees. Revenge is a


dish served cold. Let us move on the something different. The Sunday


Times have a story about a rogue SAS unit accused of executing sieve rans


in Afghanistan. We have to say the Ministry of Defence has said that


they have disputeded this story, we have to make that clear, but the


Sunday Times has some interesting allegations, that have been


apparently compiled by the Royal Military Police, about certain


things that the SAS was doing in Afghanistan, they talk about special


forces soldiers are alleged to have handcuffed and shot prisoners. It


did not need to be investigated. This is really remarkable. We will


have to see the result as it comes through, according to the Sunday


Times it has been curtailed, there is not much we can... It is a sort


of operation, a police investigation called Operation North Moore It has


been going on for a year half from a secure bunker in Cornwall. It is


amazing it has got to this degree and not many of us knew about it. I


absolutely agree Prashant, it could be serious, for the MoD and the


suggestions are they want to just make it go away, because if any of


these allegations, and they are only allegations are proven, it is


catastrophic for the army's credibility. Sunday Times have got a


story about parents facing a ?60 fine if their kids are late for


school. Is that fair snuff? Enough? This is a case of do as I say not do


as I do. First of all, the story quotes the government's behaviour


Zaha. Who knew he existed. Several councils are sort of canning the


idea of fines if pupils are late but the behaviours are Tom Bennett


admits he was late for school every day studying for A-levels. I would


have been several thousand pounds in debt to the school when my children


were growing up. It very hard to get three children out of the house,


well, is not but I am saying it is, but what scares me is the possible


sanctions they are going to bring in, make children collect litter,


remove chewing Garry Monk gum or mop classroom floor, measures used in


South Korea, maybe we should be copying it! I am sure no-one is late


for school in South Korea. Back to the Sundayel graph. They have a


Grenfell council, the Government warning Kensington and Chelsea


Council, couldn't taken over by commissioners, and it has been so


criticised. We were talking about this earlier, this is a tragedy,


everyone is right to say so, but, the response to what happened has


been astonish, the kind of thing, this Tory says, that some of the


families were evacuated, they were, charged rent on their flats. Are Are


still being charged rent. Etch though there is no hot water. I Noah


to say. I think I reflects badly on the sense of entitlement certain


political leaders have. I mean, I deplored the manner in which


Nicholas Paget-Brown resigned yesterday. He got the resignation


wrong, he was so tone deaf, completely grudging he seemed to me


and without dignity and he used the phrase which may have been provided


by lawyers perceived fail, you know my perception of that phrase is it


is really offensive to the victims and their family, those may well be


the same lawyers that gave him the great advice not the let the press


into the Cabinet meeting on Thursday, which ultimately


precipitating his downfall. There has been no council in the country


could have coped with the disaster on this scale. That may be true.


People have cited Camden Council. The leader has been out and about,


knocking on the doors of the people that they were evacuating, making


her presence felt. Nobody has seen Nicholas Paget-Brown and his cabinet


seem to have gone into hiding. I don't know if that is true. That is


the reports that no-one has seen him and in this world it is all about


perceptions and image, and the perception is they have failed


miserably. OK, let us go on to rugby. Well, are you rugby people? I


am a massive fan. You will have to take this over. I had five friend


over yesterday morning, and my wife, who had had a bit of a late-night on


Friday and my youngest daughter were upstairs and by 8.45, ten minutes


after kick off, they had been woken up three times by our shouting. In


the end they came down to watch, they said o we can't sleep through


this. The shouting, all over the country for people watching was


amazing, because the, to give you some of the stats, the All Blacks


have not lost at home since 2009. They were playing with a man down.


He deserved to go off, he did a shoulder charge on a defenceless


man. I think it is a one of the great British and Irish victories


and oh my gosh f you thought the shouting was loud yesterday, wait


till next Saturday, the decider. He is going to come round to your house


and watch it with you. It sound like a good party. I think I am going to


come. It is only tea and cake we have. The doctor won't see you now,


family doctors will be able to turn away all but life-or-death patients.


It goes backs to something the Health Secretary said where the NHS


needs, seems to need more money. I everything is stretched, everything


seems to be, you know, increasingly under pressure and so, NHS practises


may have to think in more creative ways how best to allocate resources


until the funding situation is resolved. What it indicates to me,


not only the people are fed up with austerity, the minutesters are fed


up with it. They are getting criticism -- ministers. Their


services are failing and they are saying, they may well be say we are


giving the DUP one billion, why can't we give to it the NHS and


school? Nurses get a 1% pay rise, that is outrageous, a what they do


is astonishing, their pay is capped is disgraceful. If one of buy


Borough Councils of this election disaster for the Tories is they lift


austerity hooray. Andy Murray, we have done rugby, can we do tennis? I


am not a huge fan but there is few things better than the English


summer for sport. Cricket, tennis. Do you think Andy Murray can do it


again. He has a bad hip. My worry is he overturns the idea of the great


British loser, we have prided ourselves on being gallant loser,


and now he is winning, I mean, our heads are so messed up. It is the


hope that kills us. Good luck to Sir Andy, thank you to both of you.


Many thanks for be with us. We will take a look at tomorrow's front


pages every evening during the week at 10.40 here on BBC News.


Download Subtitles