18/08/2017 The Papers

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

us tomorrow. With me are journalist and author Sarfraz Manzoor and Laura

Hughes, political correspondent at the Daily Telegraph. For whom this

is going to be quite an education. Welcome to you both. Tomorrow's

front pages then. The Daily Mail dedicates its front page to Sir

Bruce Forsyth who has died aged 89. The paper says he had been unwell

and died with his family at his side. The Daily Express also gives a

full page to Sir Bruce. The Sun called him the best-loved telly

legend. The Mirror also joins in commemorations for the entertainer

dedicating seven pages in this edition to his legacy.

The Telegraph has a tribute but leads with the attacks in Barcelona

saying Spanish security services have begun an extensive manhunt for

the remaining killers. The Times also leads with the as in Spain with

the news -- with the attacks in Spain with the news that the police

are focussing their efforts in North Africa The Guardian writes that

terrorists had planned a bombing raid across Barcelona but abandoned

when they blew up a house where they were stockpiling explosives.

Bruce Forsyth has died at the age of 89. We of course remember him from

many of his game shows. Back in the day. You know, we tell our children

off for watching too much telly, we were obviously fans of the small

screen because we know a lot of the work. The Sun has a lot of famous

quotes. Higher higher, lower lower, and nice to see you and things. I

was thinking that I was on Twitter earlier and a couple of people were

moaning about how the BBC is headlining and going first on Bruce

Forsyth as opposed to other stories, and it struck me the thing about

someone like Forsyth is they're one-offs, there is never going to be

somebody who is 89 who has managed to have a career for 60 years in

television and we are from different ages and what's interesting is that

the Bruce Forsyth I remember is from the 70s, The Generation Game and

there were people in the 60s remember him from the Palladium and

then Strictly, this is somebody, every generation has their own Bruce

Forsyth and that's not going to happen again. An extraordinary

career and he came to younger people's attention through Strictly

and the talent he had was the same no matter what he did. He reached my

younger sister, who is eight, she will know who he is. So, despite the

age difference the youngest people in our society will know and

recognise who he is and who he was. I can't think of an equivalent to

him today that was so multitalented, that had so many different skills,

now we have comedians and dancers and singers, we don't have those

wonderful characters as much. The other thing that's interesting, he

started out when he was 14. I think when he was 16 he was entertaining

troops before D-day but he didn't get his gig on TV until he was 30.

So he had 16 years to hone his craft. Today, you only have to do,

be a dodgy pop band and before you know it you are presenting a

programme. Now people can be famous for five minutes and they're gone.

There is a lovely picture of him, nice to see you, to see you nice.

So many catchphrases. You get away with being cheesy in a way that

other people couldn't. Joining in, the Brits are so reserved and when

he got you to call out, grown men replied to him. The secret of

somebody who can last that long is that ultimately you felt like you

had - he was being honest but it was who he really was. I think that's

hard to fake that honesty and that's why he had that relationship which

meant he wasn't smarmy with the audience. He was actually cheeky

with contestants. He could be rude. But get away with it. That's the

charm. The other thing to remember is there was a time when he got out

of favour, towards the end of the 90s, and it was actually Have I Got

News For You that rescued him, turning up and presenting Have I Got

News For You revived his career and got him on to Strictly. In a way he

owes, like Boris Johnson, he owes his career to Have I Got News For

You. Maybe that's where their similarities end, I am not sure. He

has provided us with a lot of laughs today. Very sad. Let's look at a

couple of the newspapers and how they're reporting the aftermath of

the attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils. Hunt for terror cell, it

says. Focus on Africa as attack plan revealed but didn't get carried out.

The photograph is of a little boy, a British boy, who is missing. Still

missing as is with the case every time a story like this happens and

attack, people get separated in chaos, they pick tourist areas,

therefore you are affecting the whole world. I think 34 different

nationalalities represented by all the victims or those injured in this

attack. The fact that he has been separated just gives you answer idea

of the carnage that was left by these men. Also the more scary thing

today was this wasn't plan A for them, they had plan A, plan B and C

and didn't work, this was the most basic plan they had. They actually

wanted to bring in gas cannisters and the damage they could have done

could have been a lot greater. I think it's interesting choice for

The Times to go with that and have a picture of Bruce at the top and have

this little boy's face. I was reminded with the Manchester Arena

attack and there was an eight-year-old girl and we don't

want to use the word normal when it comes to these depraved acts but

it's interesting there are echos of the same patterns that happen. It's

the same as in the I, there is people marching saying we are not

afraid and you are going to hear echos of that in Manchester and

other places and it's almost like the same rhythm happens. For me one

of the most shocking things is that one of the suspects, who I think has

been killed, is only 17 years old. Yes. A 17-year-old. You think in

that time he has managed to grow up and feel like this is going to be

something that he is willing to do and that level of criminal

brainwashing at that age is shocking. The other thing that's

interesting, most of these guys are Moroccan and I think two of the

London Bridge attackers were Moroccan, as well, this idea of

North Africa becoming a hub for criminal Islamist action. There are

two Spanish enclaves at the top of Africa, they're supposed to be

places where there are extremists preparing attacks or certainly

they're under the attention of the security services. Which is

surprising because surprisingly it's a country not associated with

Islamist attacks and comparative democracies, etc. So the fact

they're breeding these kind of people who are then doing such acts

outside is very worrying. Some commentators have been saying that

the number of people involved is surprising because if it is a group

that's been encouraged by IS, they're saying, keep your numbers

small, you are less likely to be detected and using vans and knifes

and that kind of thing doesn't attract so much attention. They

think it's a cell of 12 people and this is turned into an international

effort now, all security forces joining together to hunt for these

people. It's bigger. If you get to the point where vans and trucks are

used, rather than planes, you can't really prevent that in terms of a

security thing, it has to be about ideas, it has to be about

intelligence, trying to get to them before. As a weapon you can't block

every road and a van is too common. The only way to do it is prevent it,

that has to be intelligence, if it is a network of 12 people have to

know those people. The picture on The I you mentioned, we are not

afraid, huge crowds and once again out on the streets having seen Las

Ramblas deserted after that van caused havoc yesterday, that sense

people want to say this is not going to change our lives. It is a pattern

of seeing this and the defiance after. And the language of the

politicians and mayors. You have to say those things but after a while

they're not going to march and say we are terrified. They have to say

those things. The implication it could happen anywhere is a worrying

thing. Couple of stories, a couple of pages about the departure of

Steve Bannon from the White House, chief strategist credited with

helping Donald Trump to power. But his position has seemed increasingly

precarious as so many other people were dismissed from the

administration. Yeah, I think there seems to be a link between doing an

interview with anybody and getting coverage that's not Donald Trump's

coverage and then getting fired. The Mooch, as you were saying last time,

he gave an interview to the New Yorker and got fired because he got

too much attention. Steve Bannan gave an interview to the American

Prospect and got fired. I think Donald Trump doesn't like being,

having headlines stolen from him in some ways. I think possibly he was

feeling that Bannon was getting too much attention which was one of the

reasons he might have had to go. Also there was a faction within

Donald Trump's own wife, his son-in-law, others in the White

House, who wanted him to go because it was seen, Steve Bannon was the

editor of a far-right wing media outlet in America, he was credited

with the rise of Trump but also associated with a lot of white

supremacist violence we have seen and it's been reported he was one of

the influences telling Donald Trump to take a more balanced tone and not

come out and condemn the white supremacists for what they were.

Particularly having seen what happened in char lotsville. That's

been damaging for Donald Trump and the mother of the woman who died in

the violence is refusing to speak to him. Maybe this is an effort...

Weirdly his ratings have gone up amongst republican supporters. The

only good thing is if Bannon starts being vicious, Bannon versus Trump

is like Batman and superman, but with two villains.

Who else did Donald dump, which is better? You wonder what this is

going to do to this sort of mix in the White House? I feel unless you

are a birth relative or married into the Trump family you can't really

assume that you are safe. We will wait and see. Finally, The Times,

page four. Fears for mental health of GCSE pupils striving for the new

A double star grade. This is next year. All the GCSEs are going to be

changed from being graded by letters into numbers. The top grade will be

a nine. You are going to have to work superhard to get one.

Apparently eight is still an A*. It's just another layer of stress.

Now an A* is not good enough, you have to get the top bracket in that

A*. The margins are tightening. Yet it's a number and it's significant

when you are young trying to get to university, etc. This comes in the

context of overstretched young People Before Profit's mental health

-- young people's overstretched mental health services. Is this

necessary to add more stress to young people? It feels immensely

unfair to me that young people are under so much stress and even when

they do well it's often said they're so much easier these days than they

used to be. This is a move to make the exams tougher than they've been

for a while. It seems like grade inflation in a sense, I personally

think if you are going to change education make it feel like you are

learning things in a more holistic way. You are actually understanding

the subject. My worry is when I talk to friends with kids who are older

than mine is there's so much pressure to learn the facts and to

pass the thing rather than knowing things which a different thing. I

feel this is getting you more stress but are you understanding the world

better? It's often said that children at school now, we are

trying to train them to do jobs that don't even exist yet. How do we even

know that we are teaching them the right things? I personally think

that if you are going to get so stressed about something at that age

you are going to have stress so much more as you are getting older

anyway. I feel you should protect youth more, rather than encouraging

mental health issues at an early age that may get embedded for the rest

of their lives. You have to test people somehow. It's difficult

balance. Everyone needs a little bit of stress and children do need to

obviously try and achieve something to get to the next stage of their

lives. I think I worked harder during my GCSEs and A-levels than I

did at university. But not now, you are working extremely hard now. Even

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