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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing

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us tomorrow. With me are journalist and author Sarfraz Manzoor and Laura

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Hughes, political correspondent at the Daily Telegraph. For whom this

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is going to be quite an education. Welcome to you both. Tomorrow's

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front pages then. The Daily Mail dedicates its front page to Sir

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Bruce Forsyth who has died aged 89. The paper says he had been unwell

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and died with his family at his side. The Daily Express also gives a

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full page to Sir Bruce. The Sun called him the best-loved telly

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legend. The Mirror also joins in commemorations for the entertainer

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dedicating seven pages in this edition to his legacy.

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The Telegraph has a tribute but leads with the attacks in Barcelona

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saying Spanish security services have begun an extensive manhunt for

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the remaining killers. The Times also leads with the as in Spain with

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the news -- with the attacks in Spain with the news that the police

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are focussing their efforts in North Africa The Guardian writes that

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terrorists had planned a bombing raid across Barcelona but abandoned

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when they blew up a house where they were stockpiling explosives.

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Bruce Forsyth has died at the age of 89. We of course remember him from

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many of his game shows. Back in the day. You know, we tell our children

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off for watching too much telly, we were obviously fans of the small

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screen because we know a lot of the work. The Sun has a lot of famous

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quotes. Higher higher, lower lower, and nice to see you and things. I

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was thinking that I was on Twitter earlier and a couple of people were

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moaning about how the BBC is headlining and going first on Bruce

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Forsyth as opposed to other stories, and it struck me the thing about

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someone like Forsyth is they're one-offs, there is never going to be

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somebody who is 89 who has managed to have a career for 60 years in

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television and we are from different ages and what's interesting is that

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the Bruce Forsyth I remember is from the 70s, The Generation Game and

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there were people in the 60s remember him from the Palladium and

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then Strictly, this is somebody, every generation has their own Bruce

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Forsyth and that's not going to happen again. An extraordinary

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career and he came to younger people's attention through Strictly

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and the talent he had was the same no matter what he did. He reached my

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younger sister, who is eight, she will know who he is. So, despite the

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age difference the youngest people in our society will know and

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recognise who he is and who he was. I can't think of an equivalent to

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him today that was so multitalented, that had so many different skills,

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now we have comedians and dancers and singers, we don't have those

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wonderful characters as much. The other thing that's interesting, he

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started out when he was 14. I think when he was 16 he was entertaining

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troops before D-day but he didn't get his gig on TV until he was 30.

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So he had 16 years to hone his craft. Today, you only have to do,

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be a dodgy pop band and before you know it you are presenting a

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programme. Now people can be famous for five minutes and they're gone.

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There is a lovely picture of him, nice to see you, to see you nice.

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So many catchphrases. You get away with being cheesy in a way that

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other people couldn't. Joining in, the Brits are so reserved and when

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he got you to call out, grown men replied to him. The secret of

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somebody who can last that long is that ultimately you felt like you

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had - he was being honest but it was who he really was. I think that's

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hard to fake that honesty and that's why he had that relationship which

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meant he wasn't smarmy with the audience. He was actually cheeky

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with contestants. He could be rude. But get away with it. That's the

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charm. The other thing to remember is there was a time when he got out

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of favour, towards the end of the 90s, and it was actually Have I Got

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News For You that rescued him, turning up and presenting Have I Got

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News For You revived his career and got him on to Strictly. In a way he

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owes, like Boris Johnson, he owes his career to Have I Got News For

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You. Maybe that's where their similarities end, I am not sure. He

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has provided us with a lot of laughs today. Very sad. Let's look at a

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couple of the newspapers and how they're reporting the aftermath of

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the attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils. Hunt for terror cell, it

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says. Focus on Africa as attack plan revealed but didn't get carried out.

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The photograph is of a little boy, a British boy, who is missing. Still

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missing as is with the case every time a story like this happens and

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attack, people get separated in chaos, they pick tourist areas,

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therefore you are affecting the whole world. I think 34 different

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nationalalities represented by all the victims or those injured in this

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attack. The fact that he has been separated just gives you answer idea

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of the carnage that was left by these men. Also the more scary thing

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today was this wasn't plan A for them, they had plan A, plan B and C

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and didn't work, this was the most basic plan they had. They actually

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wanted to bring in gas cannisters and the damage they could have done

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could have been a lot greater. I think it's interesting choice for

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The Times to go with that and have a picture of Bruce at the top and have

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this little boy's face. I was reminded with the Manchester Arena

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attack and there was an eight-year-old girl and we don't

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want to use the word normal when it comes to these depraved acts but

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it's interesting there are echos of the same patterns that happen. It's

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the same as in the I, there is people marching saying we are not

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afraid and you are going to hear echos of that in Manchester and

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other places and it's almost like the same rhythm happens. For me one

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of the most shocking things is that one of the suspects, who I think has

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been killed, is only 17 years old. Yes. A 17-year-old. You think in

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that time he has managed to grow up and feel like this is going to be

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something that he is willing to do and that level of criminal

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brainwashing at that age is shocking. The other thing that's

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interesting, most of these guys are Moroccan and I think two of the

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London Bridge attackers were Moroccan, as well, this idea of

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North Africa becoming a hub for criminal Islamist action. There are

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two Spanish enclaves at the top of Africa, they're supposed to be

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places where there are extremists preparing attacks or certainly

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they're under the attention of the security services. Which is

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surprising because surprisingly it's a country not associated with

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Islamist attacks and comparative democracies, etc. So the fact

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they're breeding these kind of people who are then doing such acts

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outside is very worrying. Some commentators have been saying that

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the number of people involved is surprising because if it is a group

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that's been encouraged by IS, they're saying, keep your numbers

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small, you are less likely to be detected and using vans and knifes

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and that kind of thing doesn't attract so much attention. They

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think it's a cell of 12 people and this is turned into an international

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effort now, all security forces joining together to hunt for these

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people. It's bigger. If you get to the point where vans and trucks are

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used, rather than planes, you can't really prevent that in terms of a

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security thing, it has to be about ideas, it has to be about

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intelligence, trying to get to them before. As a weapon you can't block

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every road and a van is too common. The only way to do it is prevent it,

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that has to be intelligence, if it is a network of 12 people have to

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know those people. The picture on The I you mentioned, we are not

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afraid, huge crowds and once again out on the streets having seen Las

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Ramblas deserted after that van caused havoc yesterday, that sense

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people want to say this is not going to change our lives. It is a pattern

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of seeing this and the defiance after. And the language of the

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politicians and mayors. You have to say those things but after a while

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they're not going to march and say we are terrified. They have to say

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those things. The implication it could happen anywhere is a worrying

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thing. Couple of stories, a couple of pages about the departure of

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Steve Bannon from the White House, chief strategist credited with

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helping Donald Trump to power. But his position has seemed increasingly

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precarious as so many other people were dismissed from the

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administration. Yeah, I think there seems to be a link between doing an

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interview with anybody and getting coverage that's not Donald Trump's

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coverage and then getting fired. The Mooch, as you were saying last time,

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he gave an interview to the New Yorker and got fired because he got

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too much attention. Steve Bannan gave an interview to the American

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Prospect and got fired. I think Donald Trump doesn't like being,

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having headlines stolen from him in some ways. I think possibly he was

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feeling that Bannon was getting too much attention which was one of the

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reasons he might have had to go. Also there was a faction within

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Donald Trump's own wife, his son-in-law, others in the White

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House, who wanted him to go because it was seen, Steve Bannon was the

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editor of a far-right wing media outlet in America, he was credited

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with the rise of Trump but also associated with a lot of white

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supremacist violence we have seen and it's been reported he was one of

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the influences telling Donald Trump to take a more balanced tone and not

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come out and condemn the white supremacists for what they were.

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Particularly having seen what happened in char lotsville. That's

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been damaging for Donald Trump and the mother of the woman who died in

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the violence is refusing to speak to him. Maybe this is an effort...

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Weirdly his ratings have gone up amongst republican supporters. The

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only good thing is if Bannon starts being vicious, Bannon versus Trump

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is like Batman and superman, but with two villains.

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Who else did Donald dump, which is better? You wonder what this is

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going to do to this sort of mix in the White House? I feel unless you

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are a birth relative or married into the Trump family you can't really

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assume that you are safe. We will wait and see. Finally, The Times,

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page four. Fears for mental health of GCSE pupils striving for the new

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A double star grade. This is next year. All the GCSEs are going to be

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changed from being graded by letters into numbers. The top grade will be

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a nine. You are going to have to work superhard to get one.

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Apparently eight is still an A*. It's just another layer of stress.

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Now an A* is not good enough, you have to get the top bracket in that

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A*. The margins are tightening. Yet it's a number and it's significant

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when you are young trying to get to university, etc. This comes in the

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context of overstretched young People Before Profit's mental health

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-- young people's overstretched mental health services. Is this

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necessary to add more stress to young people? It feels immensely

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unfair to me that young people are under so much stress and even when

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they do well it's often said they're so much easier these days than they

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used to be. This is a move to make the exams tougher than they've been

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for a while. It seems like grade inflation in a sense, I personally

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think if you are going to change education make it feel like you are

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learning things in a more holistic way. You are actually understanding

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the subject. My worry is when I talk to friends with kids who are older

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than mine is there's so much pressure to learn the facts and to

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pass the thing rather than knowing things which a different thing. I

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feel this is getting you more stress but are you understanding the world

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better? It's often said that children at school now, we are

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trying to train them to do jobs that don't even exist yet. How do we even

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know that we are teaching them the right things? I personally think

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that if you are going to get so stressed about something at that age

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you are going to have stress so much more as you are getting older

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anyway. I feel you should protect youth more, rather than encouraging

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mental health issues at an early age that may get embedded for the rest

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of their lives. You have to test people somehow. It's difficult

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balance. Everyone needs a little bit of stress and children do need to

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obviously try and achieve something to get to the next stage of their

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lives. I think I worked harder during my GCSEs and A-levels than I

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did at university. But not now, you are working extremely hard now. Even

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at this time of night. That's it for The Papers for tonight. Don't forget

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