29/10/2017 The Papers


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That's all the sport for now.

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We will have more in the next hour.

Now on BBC News, it is time for the

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papers.

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Good morning, welcome to the look at

the Sunday newspapers. With me are

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Josie Delap of The Economist, and

the journalist James Rampton. The

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front pages, starting with Mail

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the journalist James Rampton. The

front pages, starting with Mail on

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Sunday, leading with new allegations

of sexism at Westminster. The Sunday

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Times claims some prisoners

sentenced to less than a year in

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jail could be allowed to go home in

order to vote, under new government

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plans. The Sunday Telegraph says

that chaotic organisation of the

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health service is putting patients'

lives at risk, according to the NHS

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medical director On the front page

of The Observer, claims that senior

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Tory donors have urged Theresa May

to walk away from Brexit talks

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rather than accept an

"unsatisfactory and unfavourable"

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deal

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"unsatisfactory and unfavourable"

deal. And the Express leads with the

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crisis in Catalonia, as Madrid

seizes power over the regional

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Parliament.

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A look at the front pages, let's

start off then, we have the Sunday

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Mirror, they have a news story,

terror threat as Heathrow security

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files found in the street, we have

been reporting that this morning as

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well. Lots of secret plans that were

found on a USB memory stick.

Quite

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an odd story, unemployed man found a

USB stick in the street, and a few

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days later took it to a public

library, just to see what was on it,

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turns out to be incredibly detailed

plans of Heathrow security measures

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on how the Queen gets through

Heathrow safely, her roots, enormous

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amount of data, that was not

protected by passwords or encrypted.

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And which people are,

understandably, quite concerned is

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now in the public domain.

It is easy

to lose a memory stick, not

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defending it! LAUGHTER

. Compared to a briefcase full of

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papers.

Yes, but why on earth was

this person taking it out of

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Heathrow, but alone putting it on an

unencrypted stick, and the analysis

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from the security editor, he is

saying, Islamic State has been

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talking about a spectacular to match

9/11, if it got hold of this

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information, that could be very

helpful to them. Also, states such

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as North Korea have been trying to

bring down infrastructure for years,

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likewise, if they got hold of this,

that could be incredibly useful to

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them. It is more than careless, it

is shocking that this has happened.

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76 folders, things like the

passwords that covert police

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officers use at Heathrow. Anyone

could impersonate them and get into

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the inner sanctum, perhaps where the

Queen is. It is shocking.

Let's go

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on Sunday. Minister sends his PA to

buy sex toys. Tell us about this.

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Good luck!

LAUGHTER

Well, he is accused of asking

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someone to buy a couple of sex toys,

while standing outside a shop, one

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which he said was for his wife and

one was for some the else in his

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constituency, and also calling her

"sugar tips" in front of a number of

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witnesses. He has said that this was

not sexual harassment, it was a

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reference to a television programme

and this was high jinks.

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Good-humoured hijinks.

His response

highlights the discrepancy we are

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seeing in what men and women

consider sexual harassment to be.

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Men may dismiss these comments, some

men may, but it is a man in a

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position of power, when you are

conscious of the influence they have

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over your career, over your personal

safety, then, to a woman on the

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receiving end, that can feel very

different.

These are the ripples

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coming out from a Harvey Weinstein

affair, that are going through all

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sorts of different industries, not

just Hollywood.

And a lot of

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analogies between politics and

Hollywood, very male dominated

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industry, people in positions of

great power and patron edge, a kind

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of industry where relationships

matter a lot, where it is not very

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clear necessarily how you progress,

so you are concerned about reporting

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this kind of behaviour.

I would be

the last person to say I am grateful

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to Harvey Weinstein, but it does

seem to embolden people quite

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rightly to call sleazy men if they

do something they think is beyond

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the pale. And we have had this in

the modelling industry, in theatre,

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in politics, it is all coming out, I

think that is great. If Harvey

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Weinstein has done one thing for us,

it is to legitimise and get people

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to take seriously and not laughed

off, his phrase that it was

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good-humoured hijinks, that has a

ring of when Donald Trump said, it

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was locker room chat. You can say

these things, and the figleaf of

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epic banks... You know, locker room

chat, seems to get you off the hook,

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but I don't think so. -- "epic

bantz".

Different individual,

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Stephen Crabb, former cabinet

minister, who, according to the

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Sunday Telegraph, sent a young woman

sexually explicit messages after

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rejecting her application for a

Junior Rasolea in his Parliamentary

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office. Stephen Crabb has said that

he had been foolish, that there had

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been no sexual contact, any sexual

chatter like this is totally wrong,

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I am sorry for my actions. He is

reported as saying. All of this,

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same themes.

One of the interesting

things, talking about people being

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more willing to report this, these

are not the first time that these

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accusations have been made about

Stephen Crabb, when he was running

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for the leadership there was

accusations. A lot of the discussion

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was about the impact on his

leadership bid and his political

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career, now there seems to be a much

greater sense of taking seriously

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the impact this has on the people

who are on the receiving end of this

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harassment, we are seeing it in a

different context.

And a woman who

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is close to the woman who has

allegedly been on the receiving end

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of these messages accuses Stephen

Crabb of abusing his position, that

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may well be a theme that runs

through all the stories. The fact

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that it is so often men who hold

power, over the women, it is all

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about power and rape and all sorts

of sexual assaults are about

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dominating the other person and I

really think that it is important

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that women have the boldness and

know that they will have the support

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of people, this campaign we have

seen, #metoo, the fantastic things

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Rose McGowan has been saying, in

order to say, if you have been

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abused in that way, you should say

it, and consequences should be

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suffered.

This affects the BBC,

something similar, top BBC women

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expose sex pests, this says, the

Sunday Times says a secret route of

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-- secret group of top presenters

exposing cases of sexual harassment.

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This relates to the Westminster

discussion of their being whether it

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is Whats App routes, ways of women

communicating about people by whom

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they feel threatened, trying to

spread information on each other,

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which is a really important thing to

do. -- groups. And hopefully will

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lead to more information coming to

light.

Women being empowered through

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new technology, social media...

You

mentioned the campaign, #metoo, we

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can hope these revelations will

change behaviour but what is

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definitely clear is that social

media, the attention is issue is

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getting, it is creating a sense in

which people feel more able to

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report and discuss these things

without fear that they will be the

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ones being shamed and blamed.

That

front page which features the BBC

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presenter, Michelle Hussain, she has

issued a statement saying, she has

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been rather misrepresented in this.

She says, the Sunday Times used my

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name and image in any story, it is

an inaccurate portrayal of

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conversations that women at the BBC

have been having since the pay gaps

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were identified, we are a forum for

female college to come together

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which many of us wish had existed

earlier on in our careers but it is

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wrong to portray it as being focused

on sexual harassment or targeting

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individuals. So she says that she

has been misrepresented.

And I think

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it is interesting she mentions these

groups, perhaps on Whats App, where

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they are, that you cannot read those

messages, they are safe from person

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to person, so you can speak your

mind very freely. I grew up, you are

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too young, when apartheid was still

in South Africa, and I thought, in

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50 years' time, people will look

back and say, how did this happen. I

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think in 50 years' time, when women

rightly have more positions of power

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they will say, how did society

tolerate a massive gender pay gap,

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how did they tolerate the fact that

women of the news, as sexed objects,

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and it was OK. -- as -- how did they

tolerate the fact that women were

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often used as sex objects.

Like

looking back and thinking about how

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women did not have the vote at one

time.

Exactly.

The Sunday Times have

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a story about prisoners being

granted the right to vote, always

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controversial, the idea that

prisoners could vote.

Particularly

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controversial in Britain because

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there was a ruling that a blanket

ban was wrong, now it is being said

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that the Justice Secretary is

considering giving those who could

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have been sentenced to less than

eight the vote, which I think is a

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great idea.

I'm equally encouraged,

I read that the idea once made David

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Cameron physically ill, so I know

that I'm right about this! If you

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want to rehabilitate prisoners,

which is one the points of prison,

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if you give them a sense of social

responsibility and engagement with

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society, they are far less likely to

offend, recidivism is at 60%,

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massive problem and we need to get

prisoners through education and

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workshops and schemes like this to

re-engage with society so they will

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not reoffend.

The Observer, crisis

in Catalonia, very dramatic, the

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last few days, demonstrations this

morning, pro-unity demonstrations,

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actually, in Barcelona today, what

do you make of it all?

Terrible

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crisis for Spain, we have Madrid

reimposing direct rule on Catalonia,

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new elections in December, which was

probably a good idea, although it is

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not clear that prounion parties will

win in those elections, so it is not

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clear that having the elections will

solve anything for Madrid. This

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continues to be a real mess in terms

of how the Spanish government is

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dealing with it, when you have this

secessionist movement, you can try

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to crush it, you can bow to it or

you can find a way to seriously

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negotiate. And...

The fear is

violence, sooner or later.

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Everything in this world is about

image, the optics, the image of a

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hardline back-ups autocratic seeming

government, in Madrid, imposing

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rule, through use of the police

agency hated under Franco is very

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unfortunate, this is a country that

within my lifetime suffered one of

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the worst dictatorships in Europe,

he died in... 1975... To be doing

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similar things, even if you have the

law on your side, seems tone deaf to

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me, and nothing Mariano Rajoy is

really taking risks by this court.

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While we are talking about the

allegations against international

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Trade Minister, Mark Garnier,

actually, the Cabinet Office is to

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investigate whether Mark Garnier

rogue the ministerial code after

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admitting asking his secretary to

buy sex toys. That is according to

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Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

I

wonder which part of the ministerial

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code that is in, I would love to

read that particular clause!

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LAUGHTER.

Quick word about Brexit, never far

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from the front pages.

Which Brexit

of which you speak?

LAUGHTER

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Tory donors warning the Prime

Minister to get ready for a no deal

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Brexit.

Telling Theresa May that,

you know, if we get a really bad

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deal, no deal is to and she should

make this very clear. Comes as

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ministers are saying that they have

not fully read the economic

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briefings on the impact of a no deal

outcome, what it would entail for

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Britain, yet another stage in this

very poorly run negotiation.

I don't

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want to invoke the spirit of Noel

Edmonds, God forbid, but there is a

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sense... I feel the anger on the

side of the hard Brexit is is

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completely unjustified, saying, they

are not treating us fairly, one of

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the donors is saying, with the EU

kick us further in the teeth when we

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are down... We started it! It is

like starting a fight and then

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complaining that the opposition is

winning, you cannot complain if you

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have called for Brexit, the EU must

fight its corner and must punish us.

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Speaking of winning, the under 17

Sylla... We have won the World Cup!

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Who would have thought it. -- the

under 17s.

Coming back from 2-0 down

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to win the World Cup, also coming

after the under 20s won the World

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Cup, clearly, youthful English

footballers...

If I were Gareth

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Southgate, which thank the Lord I'm

not, I would send this team straight

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to Russia, they have the winning

habit, they beat Spain, of all

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people, one of the greatest football

nations on earth, coming back from

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2-0 down, they have optimism,

confidence, vigour, fitness,

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everything on their side that are

lacking in the main team. And they

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have already won the World Cup, so

they are used to it. Send this lot

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and we will win Russia!

In five,

seven, ten years' time, maybe they

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will have the same problems of fear

on the global stage when they play

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at a World Cup, senior level.

I

don't know, if you start this young,

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thrust into this high pressure, high

intense world of sport more from a

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very early age, how long can you

sustain that, how long can you

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continue playing at this level...?

You can, Pele started very young,

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first World Cup, 17. The danger is,

the tabloid pressure, every time

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there is a terrible song released

saying how we will win the World

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Cup... They say, they are all

nodding out of time in the studio...

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There is a tidal wave of hype and

fifth end in bitter disappointment.

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I'm afraid we are ending, but not in

bitter disappointment! I hope. That

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is it from the newspapers. We will

be taking a look at tomorrow's front

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pages every evening at 10:40pm, here

on BBC News.

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