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now. Coming up in a moment it is The

Papers.

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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are our guests joining me

tonight are campaigner

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and broadcaster, David Akinsanya

and Rachel Cunliffe from City AM.

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Tomorrow's front pages.

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Starting with the i, which leads

with the warning from the EU that

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Britain has two weeks

to agree its divorce bill before

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trade talks can begin next month.

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The Daily Mirror reports

that the Foreign Secretary,

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Boris Johnson, backed bullfighting

at an Anglo-Spanish event.

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Eating mushrooms could help to fight

off diseases including dementia

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and cancer scientists say,

that's on the front page

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of the Daily Express.

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The Mail reports how high street

chains are launching

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early Christmas sales

because of poor trading conditions.

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The Telegraph details how a BBC

drama has been taken out

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of the Christmas schedule after it's

star Ed Westwick

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was accused of rape.

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The actor denies the allegations.

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The actor denies the allegations.

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On the front page of

The Times are details of how

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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

the British woman jailed in Iran,

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has been poorly treated in prison.

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The FT reports how the taxi-hailing

app firm Uber, has lost an appeal

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against a ruling that its drivers

should be treated as workers

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rather than self-employed.

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The front page of the Guardian has a

story about how cuts to local

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policing could endanger national

security. Let us begin. Let us start

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with the story on the front page

that the EU gives Britain a two-week

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ultimatum. Rachel. What do you make

of this?

The EU have asked Britain

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to basically say how much we will

pay in our divorce Bill and it is a

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bit of an odd way to negotiate! We

don't want to do that, for a number

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of reasons. Money is our main

leveraged in this negotiation and I

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think Theresa May back in her speech

in Florence made some over chores

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of, we will pay what we owe, but

what do we owe? Is it the pensions

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or officials of the money for

projects we committed to. That could

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be seven years in the future.

Obviously a lot of pushback on the

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Brexit side, saying we should walk

away with nothing. It makes me

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wonder, do the EU leaders realise

what is going on here domestically

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and politically? Have they looked to

the drama of the last we can thought

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that Theresa May is really we can

now was a good time to push is the

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case they have completely misjudged

it, and how we can this kind of

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makes it even less likely that she

will know a figure, I would say.

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David, any sympathy for the EU?

I

think the whole thing is strange. I

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obviously understand the projects we

have agreed to, and I am even

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working on a project that has EU

funding for four years so I

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understand that there is a bill.

Well, I hope so! There is a need to

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play those bills. I just don't know.

It all seems like it is cat and

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mouse some people blinking and who

is going to be the most scared. The

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EU need our money for those projects

and the general public will think

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this is very strange that when we

leave the EU we are still going to

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have to give them a lot of money. I

think it will upset the plan to give

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£350 million to the NHS every week.

We are talking about billions of

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pounds and Theresa May have already

talked about 20 million but that is

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not enough.

They are now asking for

60 billion and this money is just a

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starting point getters onto the

trade talks and if we give too much

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up now the worry is that what will

we have to pay for a trade deal with

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the EU? Time is definitely riding

out on this.

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Let us move on to the front page of

The Times. This is a distressing

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story about the British Iranian

woman who is in jail in Iran. Some

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details have emerged of how she has

been kept.

Yes, Nazanin

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Zaghari-Ratcliffe, she has been

imprisoned, we have all heard about

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it because of the Boris Johnson

gaffes, but to hear of some of the

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details about how she is being held,

for instance, have hair is falling

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out under the prisoners have said

that she has had a hood put over

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her. I had to do that in some

training once and it is not a nice

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thing. It just sounds really awful

and it is really upsetting to think

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that this poor woman is suffering

and she is away from her daughter

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which I think most people would find

very distressing to read about. It

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just doesn't seem like it will stop.

It looks like they will put another

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five years on her sentence. I

remember hearing the story along

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time ago and it was one of those

ones where you just felt, could you

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imagine being in that situation

yourself? If it was just a holiday,

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she was there with her child, I

think people will be very sad to

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read that.

It is a reminder that

although the story may be came to

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prominence because of what Dave --

Boris Johnson said but it is the way

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she's been treated in Iran that the

real scandal.

Yes, and this has been

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going on for some time, as you said.

I think a lot of people are only

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hearing about it now because of the

comment that the Foreign Secretary

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made and did not apologise for, but

it is good in a way that we are

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being made aware of it, of the

conditions that she is under. Iran

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is an autocratic regime and there

are a lot of things that we take for

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granted, law and order and a fair

trial and the treatment of prisoners

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does not apply there and we're only

talking about it because of what he

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said which doesn't make what he said

OK, especially if he has contributed

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to an suspension of her sentence.

Staying on that theme of Boris

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Johnson, we can go to the Daily

Mirror. Bull-fighting shame of

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Boris. Is this another gas?

It seems

like another gaffe. Boris has said

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that banning it is political

correctness gone mad. You know, I

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know people who have travelled over

to watch this event and I wouldn't

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go myself and I don't like the idea

of it but it is not for the Foreign

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Secretary to make statements like

that because he is the Foreign

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Secretary.

Exactly. We were talking

earlier about how the Foreign Office

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has released a statement saying this

was a personal opinion and not that

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of the UK Government. It is the role

of the Foreign Secretary to

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represent UK Government and you

cannot just go having opinions and

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offending people left right and

centre which is what he has been

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doing in that role.

Feels like years

unsackable.

This is the thing.

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Monday was all about, can he last

because of the five years extra on

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her sentence and now we're talking

about bull-fighting. In that time we

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have lost our second cabinet

minister, Priti Patel, who also

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behaved in a problematic way but

Boris has moved on from one scandal

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to the next, what is he still doing

there?

It has to be said, we don't

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know what the event was, the Mirror

just said he made these remarks at

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an Anglo/ Spanish event. I feel duty

bound to read out what the Foreign

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Office has said in response to this

story, that the Foreign Secretary

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was expressing a personal view and

he respects his Spanish tradition.

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However the Foreign Secretary

doesn't personally support

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bull-fighting and he is proud the UK

upholds the highest in animal

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welfare standards. There is a

difference, says the Foreign Office

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between respect for Spanish

traditions and his own views.

Yes,

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but you still have to be careful

that comments like this do not get

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misinterpreted.

We always knew that

Boris would do this all over the

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place.

We were leaving to one side

and go to the Telegraph. This is an

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interesting story in its Scottish

edition. On the front page, Sturgeon

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and Salmond rift.

This is what used

to be called Russia today. It

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broadcasts from the UK and I have

been interviewed on there several

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times. Nicola Sturgeon is saying

Alex Salmond, who is no longer an

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MP, has set up a production company

and will have a weekly show on this

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channel. Nicola Sturgeon is saying

that she does not think this is

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right and that he shouldn't be doing

that because he is supporting the

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regime of Putin, where journalists

and people with sexuality and all

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sorts of people are being harassed

and to actually partake in that does

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not look good on him. But, you know,

to be honest with you, people accuse

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the BBC of being a state

broadcaster. The fact about is the

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media. I go on there to talk about

very important issues like child how

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campaigns in this country. When I

thought about it, I thought that

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maybe they want to make written that

bad, ex-offenders have been on there

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to talk about British jails. It is

whether it is a tool of the state or

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just another broadcaster.

They do

serious journalism, but it is from

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the perspective of the Russian

government and you have to thing

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with this, what suits Russia and

Vladimir Putin. Alex Salmond will be

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very critical of the British

government and Britain as a country

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and he obviously wants an

independent Scotland. He is somebody

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who were tears in his interest to

make the British government

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embarrassed and to humiliate them,

not because he is doing the bidding

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of Russia, who are paying him but

that is because it is his personal

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belief. Will they get someone who

paints the West and Britain in a

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positive light? Of course not.

Someone who makes a very good point

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in this article, a Liberal Democrat,

says on his show, will he interview

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people who are critical of the

Russian state?

That would be a test,

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wouldn't it?

Apparently he has

editorial control, he says he has

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editorial control.

Will he interview

people who have been critical of

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Vladimir Putin.

In the past he has

spoken of admiration for Putin and

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the way he has restored Russian

pride.

Are either of you interested

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in the fact that Nicola Sturgeon has

been really quite outspoken in

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condemning his move. Do you read

anything into that?

She is very

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strong. She comes across very

strongly in this article I think

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she's quite angry about and you can

tell that from the comments in the

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article.

It was interesting

following us on Twitter and looking

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at how the Scottish Nationalist

perception change from this being OK

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people shouldn't criticise him and

then Nicola Sturgeon K criticised

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and then they all said he shouldn't

be doing it. She clearly is the

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voice of Scotland in that sense and

people do follow where she leads.

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Let's go to the front page of the

Financial Times now under story we

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have been running today about this

taxi company losing its case in

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court over the position of its

workers.

Yes, it was a tribunal

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upheld again rose the app should

treat its workers as workers. I was

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thinking about minicab drivers and

black cab drivers and how most black

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cab drivers I know a may work for

themselves they might work with a

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couple of other guys but also

minicab drivers a lot of the time a

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self-employed as well and you made

the point that actually cab-drivers

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are saying it is wrong because Uber

are being held on the but the app

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brings them together so it is quite

confusing thing. I am freelance and

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I do not get holiday pay and I don't

get sick pay and stuff like that but

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it is just that you do feel with

this company that they are trying to

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shirk their responsibilities and not

take care of their workers. I don't

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use Uber and I know a lot of people

do and they say they are very cheap

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but there is probably a reason for

that.

The Financial Times broadens

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it out and says this is the most

high-profile UK test of the premise

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that people who work on geek apps

are independent and not employed by

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anyone.

It the wider question of the

gig economy. You brought up your

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freelance and a lot of people

freelance and have -- multiple jobs.

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There are gay gaps for everything

from music to catering and tuition

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and all kinds of things. The anger

about this shows that we do not have

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categories anymore that are able to

explain how a lot of people are

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working now and a review was meant

to address this. We have employed

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and self-employed categories but a

lot of people fall into a new area

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in between the regulation hasn't

really caught up so rather than

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trying to force Uber into the

categories that we already add,

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maybe we need to think more

generally about the way that our

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labour market is starting to work.

Let us move on to the front page of

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the Daily Telegraph ran top of the

page, about charities dodging the

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begging ban.

This is a big issue,

especially if you know older people,

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about how marketing is being done to

raise money for charities. This is

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very aggressive. We all know the

people we see in the street to come

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up to us and ask... This is about

the Royal Mail delivering hundreds

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of thousands of letters to people,

sometimes vulnerable people, and the

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amount of complaints they have been

getting about this and actually what

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is really good, that I read in this

article is that actually the

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relatives of elderly people have

been complaining and saying that

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these mailshots are coming through

the door thick and fast and that it

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is not always, it is not good for

older people to have these because

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they might do things and they might

be voting with their heart. It is a

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very aggressive trade I think,

raising money for charities these

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days.

Does seem to be about a

loophole because a fundraising

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regulator was set up after a very

well-publicised case of a woman who

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was said to take an error in life

after being bombarded with these

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requests. Apparently charities have

found a way around the new

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regulations.

Yes, if they do it

anonymously, mass mail outs, then

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they're risen to way to stop them

from delivering to a certain

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address. 240 million anonymous

letters were sent in 2013.

It is

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extraordinary. No huge number.

There

are also sending presents and gifts

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like Christmas cards and pens. I

used to look after an elderly lady

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and she left the freebie but along

with that there is a begging letter

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and there is just whether it is fair

and aggressive? And then why is the

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money being spent on that rather

than the cause itself?

Going further

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down the front page of the Daily

Telegraph, the BBC pulls us

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Christmas special over rape claims

about a star.

I remember him from

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gossip girl which is the show that I

think made him famous. This is Ed

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Westwick who has been accused of

rape and denied all claims and

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obviously we don't know what

happened at what is interesting for

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me is that the show that made him,

he plays a character, it is all

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about rich New Yorkers going to

parties and getting drunk and in the

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very first episode of the show his

character does attempt to rate on a

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girl at the party and that is kind

of glamorised in a certain way.

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Obviously that is the character and

not the actor but it just made me

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think that this was a really popular

show that ran for six or seven

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seasons and was all about

glamorising the high life in bad

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boys and all of that. There was a

cultural issue here and the fact

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that this show has been pulled

because of the allegations, even

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though we do not know what the

outcome will be, sort of shows that

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we are experiencing a cultural shift

in the last few weeks and

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broadcasters aren't actors and

directors don't want to be

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associated with that kind of

messaging anymore.

Things are being

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pulled left right and centre, we've

heard about Kevin Spacey. The BBC

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now has to fill that hole in the

schedule and that is going to cause

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a problem and I think it might be a

bigger problem in times to come

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because there will be more and more

of these allegations.

I should add

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that Ed Westwick strenuously denies

the allegations. We can move onto a

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Christmas story. It is only November

the Daily Mail says Christmas sales

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are on already.

We haven't even done

Black Friday yet! Every year I take

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a photograph when I see the first

thing in the local supermarket and I

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did that a few weeks ago. It really

is ridiculous. We are all being

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siphoned of our money.

You don't

have to spend it.

We don't but you

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feel... The biggest thing for me as

Halloween and how that has changed.

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All of this, there are lots of items

you can buy for Halloween now. I

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remember people saying it is

American and not the British

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tradition but it has become, because

it is run by the shops a commercial

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and the need to up their profits and

that is what life is a bike, I'm

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afraid. Christmas ravens starting

July before we know it.

They have

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hit panic button and the idea is

that sales have been slow so they

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are hyping up Christmas early in

order to try and get people to spend

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more earlier. I always think, does

this work? It

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must work do it. I think people will

spend a certain amount for

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Christmas, whether that is the week

before Christmas or the month before

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Christmas, it will be a similar

amount. Maybe that is just me.

I

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have friends who save lots of money

and they start in January.

Lemmy

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creeping in one more Christmas story

on page three of the times. Let the

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festive countdown BGN! Ouch! This is

about posh Advent calendars.

Really

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posh. Gin, whiskey, make up. Money.

One of them was trending and make up

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Advent calendar that was trending on

Google in August, so that goes to

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show. I don't really get this. Again

maybe I just don't get it but I

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think an Advent calendar, the fun is

opening its anger in the little

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chocolate. If you are spending lots

of money to get the more expensive

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gifts, wouldn't it make more sense

to just buy the gift that you wanted

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and have the calendar separately. Am

I just not getting it? I am with

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you!

You didn't mention the £10,000

one! I think it is for children and

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adults want to do it... Advent

calendars for children. Adults who

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want to sit and be children an open

and drinking every day, good luck to

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them. If they have the money, good

luck.

One word for the pork

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scratching calendar for those who

prefer their Advent calendar is a

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bit more down-market. Thank you both

very much. That is it for The Papers

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tonight. The front pages of the

papers online on the BBC News

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website. It is all there for you

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programme any evening you can watch

it later on the iPlayer. Thank you

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both. Goodbye.

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