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That's all the sport for now.

Now on BBC News, it's

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time for The Papers.

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Welcome to our look ahead is at what

the papers have brought us to

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With me are the journalist

and broadcaster Rachel Shabi

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and Peter Conradi of the Sunday

Times.

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Before I speak to them, let's have a

look at the front pages.

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The Sunday Telegraph claims

that the Prime Minister has been

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warned by MP's not to retreat

from a pledge to "take back

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control" of British laws

from Brussels post Brexit.

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The Sunday Times meanwhile reports

that top private girls schools

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have suffered a slump

in exam performance.

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The Mail on Sunday alleges

that there are links

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between Boris Johnson

and Michael Gove's bid to persuade

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Theresa May to take a tougher stance

on Brexit and a Russian tycoon.

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And finally the Sunday Express

reports that Meghan Markle

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is being guarded by royal protection

officers as the Palace

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prepares to announce her

engagement to Prince Harry.

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It hasn't happened yet, but anyway,

let's begin. Peter, will you start

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us off? This is a story in the

Observer about island in the border,

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whether it should be on the

mainland, down the Irish Sea or

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whatever.

This is a crucial argument

in this whole debate. It's a

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statement of the obvious rather than

an exclusive front-page story, what

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they have got is the agricultural

minister said another problem. If we

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have a hard Brexit, if we don't have

a trade deal, if we crashed out of

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the single market, what is going to

happen to Northern Ireland? The

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problem being that you either have a

hard border between Northern Ireland

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and the Republic or have some

arrangement when Northern Ireland is

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part of the Republic. Then what

happens to its status within the

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United Kingdom? Lots of other things

you can see a way of fudging it, but

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this one, I don't see how.

There has

been a lot about technology covering

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to people's rescue and it matter

about borders in the old-fashioned

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sense.

I think the reports about

technology were widely dismissed. It

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was things like drones which people

pointed out were going to be

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affected by things such as weather.

It is quite a big thing and doing

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you can understand why islands is so

concerned about it -- Ireland. The

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DUP have said they don't want to

have a different set of regulations

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to the rest of the UK and the

Republic is saying actually, we

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absolutely do need to have that. We

need some sort of continuity in

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customs regulations otherwise there

will be a hard border between us and

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that's the last thing that anybody

wants, given the history, given the

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past and given the fact that it is a

condition of the Good Friday

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Agreement. It does seem to be that

because staying in the customs union

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and the single market in some shape

or form seems to be such an anathema

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to the hard Brexit component of the

government that it's actually making

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this intractable.

Ireland want us to

stay in the customs union.

Of course

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they do. We are the biggest trading

partners. If Brexit is going to be

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complicated for the United Kingdom,

it will be even more competitive for

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the Republic. Anything involving

Brexit, ultimately all the other 27

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member states have a right of veto,

so if we don't keep Ireland happy,

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they can effectively veto any deal.

Staying with the subject, perhaps

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you can start us off with the Sunday

Telegraph. A warning to the Prime

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Minister? It's about British law is

being taken back and we don't want

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European courts telling us what to

do.

It's interesting because it's

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another one of those red lines

imposed by the hard right Brexit

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element of the Cabinet and their

cheerleaders in our press. This is

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another one of the issues that needs

to be resolved before we can proceed

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to the trade components. It

concerned EU citizens and the idea

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was that there

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would be a situation where the

rights would remain as they are and

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the hard Brexit element of the

Cabinet is saying no because we have

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two be the ECJ because that is what

we voted for. It's interesting to

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see how all these elements that

could be resolved, we could move to

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the next stage of negotiations, are

being impeded by the same group in

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government.

All these words are

being used. Cabinet ministers,

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politicians, but it never says

exactly who they are. Talking about

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bouncing the Prime Minister. It

sounds chaotic.

It does, but

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underlying it is that this is

something that is hugely important

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to a small group of politicians I

think fundamentally. The average

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reader, the average member of the

country is probably indifferent to

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whether the European Court of

Justice rules on particular issues

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or it some other court. In such an

arcane thing.

You say that, but for

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people who voted for Brexit it was

one of the things. We want our laws

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back and we don't want to be told

what to do by Brussels.

It was

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always a web thing to say about laws

that Britain had a huge part in

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making and was beneficial to the UK.

Its was a web thing to say about the

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ECJ, right?

If you were to ask

people how important is it to you

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that the ECJ has jurisdiction over

British laws, I think it will be

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high on the priority list like

things such as the NHS, immigration,

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the cost of living.

Let's move on.

The mail on Sunday, again there is a

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Brexit link, but as always, it's a

personalising of stories. Boris and

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Gove. I have to admit I read it

about four times before I understood

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it.

Unravel it for us. It's a

difficult one. I think the headline

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is the simplest bit. Essentially,

they are building on a scoop that

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they had a couple of weeks ago in

which there was a letter by Boris

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Johnson and Michael Gove to the

Prime Minister with three key

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demands. One to force Hammonds to

plan for Brexit, and also to sweep

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away all the bureaucracy around

Brexit.

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It's all complicated. It's a

suggestion of building on the

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previous crew and building on this

Institute.

Is it tied into Putin?

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No. There are questions to be

answered and we need to know why

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they have such influence over this

think tank and members of the

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Cabinet. It has a big stock in the

Russian state-controlled gas

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company, but that could just be

because they took advantage of what

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was called the short doctrine and

capitalism would describe it as

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making hay, which was to go into

Russia when it was just changing,

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they went in and bought up all

state-owned utility companies.

It's

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a long way from that to getting

involved with Boris Johnson and

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Michael Gove.

But they are free

marketeers. They are into having a

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Singapore style type of tax haven.

Let's turn the UK into that post

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Brexit. That is the hardline version

of Brexit favoured by people like

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Boris Johnson Michael Gove. We do

have to wonder why this Institute

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has so much influence.

We have to

remind ourselves that the mail on

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Sunday is a Remainer. It is. The

agenda is skewed here.

It is. I

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worked many years in Russia and I

follow events the closely. You have

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written about Russia. Yes, thank you

for mentioning my book. Anyone who

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has ever done business in Russia, if

they are in the spotlight for any

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reason, its protein and used against

them and they are turned into

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Putin's pawn, which is a little bit

far-fetched.

Let's move on to the

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Observer. Fake online accounts

driving anti-Muslim abuse.

What is

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this about. It's following on from

the mail on Sunday who have been

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running stories about Russian

involvement in our political

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conversation in a few weeks ago they

had a story about Russian troll

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farms pumping out fake news on

Twitter. One of the things that was

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mentioned is that it was

particularly bees trolls who are

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pumping into our political

conversation supplies stories that

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were fuelling anti-Muslim hate. This

is the story based on research from

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the anti-racist organisation that is

looking into the impact of these

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tweets. It is skewed our national

conversation by pushing up the

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influence of these sort of hate

filled and anti-Muslim Islamophobic

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tweets, thereby creating the

impression that there more support

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for the sentiments that actually is

the case.

Peter, what did you make

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of it?

It was interesting and

alarming that this is being

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artificially flamed up. They don't

make the Russian connection, which

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is a missed opportunity. They are

basically pinning the blame on

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American racist groups and Pamela

Geller, a controversial activist,

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who is allegedly behind a number of

these issues.

We stay in the world

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of cyber matters. Let's go back to

the Sunday Times front page. Peter,

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your turn. Cyber slackers doom at

the UK economy. Is this the issue of

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people looking at Facebook, Twitter,

e-mailing?

One of the big stories

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that came out of the budget this

week is that Britain has a problem

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with productivity. Living standards

are depressed and will continue to

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be that way because we are not

productive enough. They're having

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all sorts of explanations. Is it to

in -- is it down to under

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investments? Or is it that we spend

too much time at work on our phones

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on social media and shopping. A

senior analyst that the Bank of

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England who wrote on the blog said

that people are spending too much

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time at work checking the devices

which leads to a crisis of attention

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which is leading to a drop in

productivity. You are not checking

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your phone now, are you?

It does

make me a bit cross a story like

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this because we note that

productivity has that line. We know

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that we are looking at lost decades

where wages can't grow and indeed

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they are currently at levels lower

than they were ten years ago before

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the crash. People up and down this

country know that they are working

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harder for less pay under worse

conditions. I find it insulting to

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all those people, all of us who are

working hard to suggest that low

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productivity, which is something the

government can fix with investment

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and stimulation, the blame is passed

on workers spending too much time on

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the devices. It's an insult. There

are ways to fix the economy. Germany

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is way more productive. Why is that?

They have a government that invests

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in infrastructure. That is how you

get innovation, creativity, where

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the efficiency.

Last story, very

briefly. Sunday express. Royal guard

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for Meghan.

Will they announced

their engagement? You know, it is

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widely tipped to be imminent. People

are looking at all the signs of why

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this is going to happen. One of the

reasons is this the as the story

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says, she has been given a wild

card, Meghan Morkel. There has been

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speculation all week. -- Meghan

Markle. She has moved her pet dogs

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to the UK as well.

Very telling.

Well, she has begun the process of

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sending her dogs to England.

It

takes a while. We will all have to

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keep checking on social media to get

the latest. Thank you both very much

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indeed. We will take a look at

tomorrow's front pages

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