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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Henry Mance,

political correspondent

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at the Financial Times

and Deborah Haynes, defence editor

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at the Times.

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Lovely to have you both. Let us

remind you what the front pages look

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like.

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The Times leads on comments

by a government minister about plans

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to tax internet giants if they don't

help combat terrorism.

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There's also a colourful picture

of Eddie the Eagle and fans ahead

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of London's New Year's Day Parade.

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The Observer takes a closer look

at the fallout from Lord Adonis'

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resignation and the Labour Peer's

call for Chris Grayling to resign.

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The Mail on Sunday reports on plans

for so-called unpaid border guards

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at ports and airports.

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It also shows Rod Stewart modelling

an interesting choice of knitwear

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when he turned up to support

his beloved team Celtic

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earlier this evening.

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The Telegraph's top story focuses

on retailers' plans to get around

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the government's ban

on credit card fees.

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The Sunday Express leads on plans

for the over 75s to get a new super

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vaccine to help combat the flu.

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The Sunday Mirror has the headline,

birth of hope, the story of a

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newborn baby boy who was the

brainchild of one of the victims of

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the bombing in May. Let us start off

with the Sunday Times. Do you want

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to kick us off, Deborah?

They have

an interesting interview with Ben

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Wallace, Security Minister. He is

talking about trying to think of new

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ways to make tech companies comply

more with the police and security

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services in the fight against

terrorists. We know that online, as

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much as the real world, is a battle

space. The government has

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repeatedly, Theresa May has

repeatedly been calling on companies

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like Google, Facebook to do more, to

take extreme material off-line. And

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also not provide a safe haven for

terrorists to communicate using

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encrypted apps. He has come up with

this idea that they should either do

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more to help the security services

or face some kind of tax penalty. It

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is not clear how it will actually

work or whether it will have any

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effect. The tech companies do have

this balance between privacy and

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security. The fact is there is a big

concern that if you give a backdoor

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to encrypted messaging apps then it

could be abused as much as it could

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be useful. It is a difficult

problem. Mr Wallace says that the

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whole issue of that technology and

the Internet being used by

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terrorists is what keeps him up at

night. He says we are more

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vulnerable than at any point in the

last 100 years. Really underlining

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the problem.

Happy tech giants taken

much action since people started

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talking about this -- have the tech

giants?

They said has been a slight

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change, not as much of their would

have liked. They are taking

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Westminster seriously. It all seems

like a small dispute far away. The

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difficulty is taxing them. The

Treasury knows how difficult it is

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to get Internet companies to pay

out, their business models are not

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like previous business models. Their

bases are often overseas. He is

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hoping for some kind of windfall

tax. If he has a real idea of how

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you extract hundreds of millions of

pounds from Apple and Google, he

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needs to talk to the Treasury who

have not been able to crack this.

I

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suppose technology has been moving

so fast. It is leaving people who

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are trying to fight, people taking

advantage of the Internet, and that

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global audience. They cannot keep up

with things.

What he is saying is

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that the government, because they

cannot access these sites and

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services like what's up, they are

having to invest in human

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surveillance, which is really

expensive.

There is a place for

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that.

He is saying hundreds of

millions of pounds. That seems like

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a large estimate for additional

costs. If you are a tech company you

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are saying that this is the bill

that is costing you. Let's break it

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down. I am sure they would have some

questions around that. In all sorts

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of ways these tech companies have

broken the way that policy is set up

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and it will take regulators and

lawmakers used to scramble to put

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together a system on tax, on legal

compliance...

Do you think that is

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the way to do it or should they be

pushing on with the technology side,

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the algorithms, do you think taxing

them is really going to have any

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effect? These are huge companies.

They bring in a lot of money.

When

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Google was fined billions by the

European Commission on competition

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grounds their shareholders have

barely blinked. It is clear that

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they are such profitable companies

with enormous growth trajectories

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that they can withstand major hits.

The government is not going to ban

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WhatsApp because it is such a

popular service. This looks a very

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strong language, but without a

clearly thought out plan for UK

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next.

Ben Wallace, to pick up on

that description of it," just

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because they sit on beanbags were

T-shirts it does not mean they are

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not ruthless profiteers" and how

they are quite willing to sell

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private details to private companies

but not to give to the government.

I

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don't to ask you, you don't to

comment, but do you think the

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government should have access to our

private messages and what have you,

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or should there be some form of

system of checks in place? What are

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your thoughts?

There is already a

system in place. In the wake of

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Edward Snowden there has been a

whole raft of new procedures put in

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place to ensure there is no misuse

of the powers that the security

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services have, but I kind of think

it is such a difficult problem and

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there is a real concern about

whether it is actually feasible. If

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you create a backdoor for apps like

WhatsApp, then the bad guys will

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just go to different methods. It is

an impossible problem. But I kind of

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think, given the situation we are

in, given the scale of the threat,

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the more capability that the

security services have to tackle the

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problem be better.

Let us move to

the Observer and calls for Chris

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Grayling to step down.

It is always

risky calling for someone to quit in

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politics. If they do not quit you

look a bit silly. Jonas, a former

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advisor on infrastructure to Theresa

May's government, he resigned on

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Friday -- Lord Adonis. He said Chris

Grayling should be next. Chris

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Grayling to the decision in November

that allows the companies that

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operate East Coast Main Line to exit

their contract three years early. In

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those three years they were supposed

to pay about £2 billion to the

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government. He is saying that money

is at risk. Taxpayers will not get

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that money that the train operators

have promised. Greyling is the man

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who should carry the can because he

had another option, that was that

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when Lord Adonis was a minister he

could sit at their public company --

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Chris Grayling. It is part of a

broader battle over Brexit and how

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much public money is available. This

will strike a chord with some

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commuters, people fed up with the

train companies, and people in the

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last election thought the whole

system could do with a massive

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shakeup and renationalisation.

What

do you make of him saying this now?

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He would say it, wouldn't he? Given

that he is a former Labour minister

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and he is anti-Brexit. He is using

maximum effect. He is calling for

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the transport secretary to resign.

He is really critical of him.

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Linking it all in. There is this

quote about how it is of a peace

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with him being a radical Brexiteer

to whom everything is subordinate to

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hide right ideology. Linking this

whole decision of giving the money

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to Railway companies to him being

there is a radical Brexiteer. He is

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making the most of this platform,

making the most of this opportunity

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to head the government.

The best

time for him to be talking. Moving

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to the Mail on Sunday. Dad's army.

My kids loved it. This is a

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different take on it.

It is for the

21st century. Capturing jihadis in

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small airfields across the UK. There

is a serious side to this story, the

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UK has lots of access points which

the Border Force isn't strong enough

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to look after individually to check

who is coming in, are they people

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who fought in Syria, are they

illegal immigrants, without

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increasing the budget to much you

could address this by having

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volunteers sign up for the Border

Force, as they already do for some

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police forces around the country,

special constables, could we have a

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special Border Force? They are going

to trial it. I don't think the Dad's

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Army label is the one they were

going for. They have run into

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scepticism. Unions are like it MPs

don't like it, people would rather,

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when it comes to securing a Borders

pressed Brexit, they want Pockley

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trained and paid people doing that

job -- securing our borders.

Would

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you be happy with volunteer securing

the Borders and watching who is

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coming in and policing at all?

To be

honest with you, there is a

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capability review going on at the

moment in the government which is

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looking at everything to do with

security and our security

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capabilities, it includes border

protection. It does kind of sound to

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me as if they obviously have a

problem, there are a lot of points,

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they do not have the staff to do it

themselves, they are thinking it

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worked with police having a special

constables, so surely someone is

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better than no-one, so long as they

are vetted properly. It would be

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strange if they did not that these

people. You could have potential

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jihadists welcoming more jihadists

in, which would not be ideal. To me

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it seems, it is a signal that they

are stressed and need more

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resources.

Let us move to the Sunday

Telegraph, credit card fees, it is

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set to backfire on the shoppers.

Eventually we will pay.

There is no

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such thing as a free lunch. If you

tell companies they cannot charge X

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of credit card they find another way

to get money. A lot of people who

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have used the Internet to buy

tickets or make purchases will think

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it is a bit excessive how much is

charged for using a credit card

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instead of a debit card. That is

where the anti- Kenyan and that is

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where the government came in to say

you cannot use those fees any more.

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The question is whether everybody

should pay a little bit more for the

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price of a ticket or their shopping

to cover that cost that the company

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incurs the using a credit card and

what is a shame is that they could

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not introduce a reasonable fee for a

credit card. Why could it not be a

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tendency instead of £3.50.

They will

get that money somewhere. They are

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bankers. They will recoup it. Got to

balance the books. New Year

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party-goers, let us dampen the party

spirit, facing strikes and storms.

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Storm Dylan. Yes. It is a classic

music weather warning. There will be

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rail disruption for south-western

Railway over the 24 hour walkout.

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Revellers will struggle to get home,

potentially. Obviously there is

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Storm Dylan blowing around the

country. There are apparently four

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weather warning is, predicted winds

of up to 80 mph. Edinburgh

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celebrations will still continue,

despite the threat of wind. That is

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good to hear. We are looking at the

Ben Wallace interview earlier, that

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was talking about the security

threat, not only do you have weather

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and rail, but there is a need to

keep a vigilant, because the threat

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is real.

We forgot the motorways. If

you are on the roads as well. Just

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add to the list. Back to the Sunday

Times, very quickly. Mum's names to

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be put on wedding certificates. Why

haven't they been on All this Time?

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I cannot believe I never questioned

it was there. It is so sexist.

What

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do you think of this, Henry?

Nobody

is against this idea. Vote people on

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the right and the left are saying

this makes absolutely no sense to

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have a gender to vision on marriage

-- both people. The wedding

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certificate only has the father's

name and occupation.

It is

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ludicrous. A step forward. We are

forgetting that. OK. Deborah and

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Henry, thank you so much. Have a

lovely new years, whatever you are

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up to. Avoid the Rose, do not go to

parties. Thank you for having us,

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joining us for the papers. Coming up

next it is the Travel Show.

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