30/12/2017 The Papers

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead

to what the papers will be

bringing us tomorrow.

With me are Henry Mance,

political correspondent

at the Financial Times

and Deborah Haynes, defence editor

at the Times.

Lovely to have you both. Let us

remind you what the front pages look

like.

The Times leads on comments

by a government minister about plans

to tax internet giants if they don't

help combat terrorism.

There's also a colourful picture

of Eddie the Eagle and fans ahead

of London's New Year's Day Parade.

The Observer takes a closer look

at the fallout from Lord Adonis'

resignation and the Labour Peer's

call for Chris Grayling to resign.

The Mail on Sunday reports on plans

for so-called unpaid border guards

at ports and airports.

It also shows Rod Stewart modelling

an interesting choice of knitwear

when he turned up to support

his beloved team Celtic

earlier this evening.

The Telegraph's top story focuses

on retailers' plans to get around

the government's ban

on credit card fees.

The Sunday Express leads on plans

for the over 75s to get a new super

vaccine to help combat the flu.

The Sunday Mirror has the headline,

birth of hope, the story of a

newborn baby boy who was the

brainchild of one of the victims of

the bombing in May. Let us start off

with the Sunday Times. Do you want

to kick us off, Deborah?

They have

an interesting interview with Ben

Wallace, Security Minister. He is

talking about trying to think of new

ways to make tech companies comply

more with the police and security

services in the fight against

terrorists. We know that online, as

much as the real world, is a battle

space. The government has

repeatedly, Theresa May has

repeatedly been calling on companies

like Google, Facebook to do more, to

take extreme material off-line. And

also not provide a safe haven for

terrorists to communicate using

encrypted apps. He has come up with

this idea that they should either do

more to help the security services

or face some kind of tax penalty. It

is not clear how it will actually

work or whether it will have any

effect. The tech companies do have

this balance between privacy and

security. The fact is there is a big

concern that if you give a backdoor

to encrypted messaging apps then it

could be abused as much as it could

be useful. It is a difficult

problem. Mr Wallace says that the

whole issue of that technology and

the Internet being used by

terrorists is what keeps him up at

night. He says we are more

vulnerable than at any point in the

last 100 years. Really underlining

the problem.

Happy tech giants taken

much action since people started

talking about this -- have the tech

giants?

They said has been a slight

change, not as much of their would

have liked. They are taking

Westminster seriously. It all seems

like a small dispute far away. The

difficulty is taxing them. The

Treasury knows how difficult it is

to get Internet companies to pay

out, their business models are not

like previous business models. Their

bases are often overseas. He is

hoping for some kind of windfall

tax. If he has a real idea of how

you extract hundreds of millions of

pounds from Apple and Google, he

needs to talk to the Treasury who

have not been able to crack this.

I

suppose technology has been moving

so fast. It is leaving people who

are trying to fight, people taking

advantage of the Internet, and that

global audience. They cannot keep up

with things.

What he is saying is

that the government, because they

cannot access these sites and

services like what's up, they are

having to invest in human

surveillance, which is really

expensive.

There is a place for

that.

He is saying hundreds of

millions of pounds. That seems like

a large estimate for additional

costs. If you are a tech company you

are saying that this is the bill

that is costing you. Let's break it

down. I am sure they would have some

questions around that. In all sorts

of ways these tech companies have

broken the way that policy is set up

and it will take regulators and

lawmakers used to scramble to put

together a system on tax, on legal

compliance...

Do you think that is

the way to do it or should they be

pushing on with the technology side,

the algorithms, do you think taxing

them is really going to have any

effect? These are huge companies.

They bring in a lot of money.

When

Google was fined billions by the

European Commission on competition

grounds their shareholders have

barely blinked. It is clear that

they are such profitable companies

with enormous growth trajectories

that they can withstand major hits.

The government is not going to ban

WhatsApp because it is such a

popular service. This looks a very

strong language, but without a

clearly thought out plan for UK

next.

Ben Wallace, to pick up on

that description of it," just

because they sit on beanbags were

T-shirts it does not mean they are

not ruthless profiteers" and how

they are quite willing to sell

private details to private companies

but not to give to the government.

I

don't to ask you, you don't to

comment, but do you think the

government should have access to our

private messages and what have you,

or should there be some form of

system of checks in place? What are

your thoughts?

There is already a

system in place. In the wake of

Edward Snowden there has been a

whole raft of new procedures put in

place to ensure there is no misuse

of the powers that the security

services have, but I kind of think

it is such a difficult problem and

there is a real concern about

whether it is actually feasible. If

you create a backdoor for apps like

WhatsApp, then the bad guys will

just go to different methods. It is

an impossible problem. But I kind of

think, given the situation we are

in, given the scale of the threat,

the more capability that the

security services have to tackle the

problem be better.

Let us move to

the Observer and calls for Chris

Grayling to step down.

It is always

risky calling for someone to quit in

politics. If they do not quit you

look a bit silly. Jonas, a former

advisor on infrastructure to Theresa

May's government, he resigned on

Friday -- Lord Adonis. He said Chris

Grayling should be next. Chris

Grayling to the decision in November

that allows the companies that

operate East Coast Main Line to exit

their contract three years early. In

those three years they were supposed

to pay about £2 billion to the

government. He is saying that money

is at risk. Taxpayers will not get

that money that the train operators

have promised. Greyling is the man

who should carry the can because he

had another option, that was that

when Lord Adonis was a minister he

could sit at their public company --

Chris Grayling. It is part of a

broader battle over Brexit and how

much public money is available. This

will strike a chord with some

commuters, people fed up with the

train companies, and people in the

last election thought the whole

system could do with a massive

shakeup and renationalisation.

What

do you make of him saying this now?

He would say it, wouldn't he? Given

that he is a former Labour minister

and he is anti-Brexit. He is using

maximum effect. He is calling for

the transport secretary to resign.

He is really critical of him.

Linking it all in. There is this

quote about how it is of a peace

with him being a radical Brexiteer

to whom everything is subordinate to

hide right ideology. Linking this

whole decision of giving the money

to Railway companies to him being

there is a radical Brexiteer. He is

making the most of this platform,

making the most of this opportunity

to head the government.

The best

time for him to be talking. Moving

to the Mail on Sunday. Dad's army.

My kids loved it. This is a

different take on it.

It is for the

21st century. Capturing jihadis in

small airfields across the UK. There

is a serious side to this story, the

UK has lots of access points which

the Border Force isn't strong enough

to look after individually to check

who is coming in, are they people

who fought in Syria, are they

illegal immigrants, without

increasing the budget to much you

could address this by having

volunteers sign up for the Border

Force, as they already do for some

police forces around the country,

special constables, could we have a

special Border Force? They are going

to trial it. I don't think the Dad's

Army label is the one they were

going for. They have run into

scepticism. Unions are like it MPs

don't like it, people would rather,

when it comes to securing a Borders

pressed Brexit, they want Pockley

trained and paid people doing that

job -- securing our borders.

Would

you be happy with volunteer securing

the Borders and watching who is

coming in and policing at all?

To be

honest with you, there is a

capability review going on at the

moment in the government which is

looking at everything to do with

security and our security

capabilities, it includes border

protection. It does kind of sound to

me as if they obviously have a

problem, there are a lot of points,

they do not have the staff to do it

themselves, they are thinking it

worked with police having a special

constables, so surely someone is

better than no-one, so long as they

are vetted properly. It would be

strange if they did not that these

people. You could have potential

jihadists welcoming more jihadists

in, which would not be ideal. To me

it seems, it is a signal that they

are stressed and need more

resources.

Let us move to the Sunday

Telegraph, credit card fees, it is

set to backfire on the shoppers.

Eventually we will pay.

There is no

such thing as a free lunch. If you

tell companies they cannot charge X

of credit card they find another way

to get money. A lot of people who

have used the Internet to buy

tickets or make purchases will think

it is a bit excessive how much is

charged for using a credit card

instead of a debit card. That is

where the anti- Kenyan and that is

where the government came in to say

you cannot use those fees any more.

The question is whether everybody

should pay a little bit more for the

price of a ticket or their shopping

to cover that cost that the company

incurs the using a credit card and

what is a shame is that they could

not introduce a reasonable fee for a

credit card. Why could it not be a

tendency instead of £3.50.

They will

get that money somewhere. They are

bankers. They will recoup it. Got to

balance the books. New Year

party-goers, let us dampen the party

spirit, facing strikes and storms.

Storm Dylan. Yes. It is a classic

music weather warning. There will be

rail disruption for south-western

Railway over the 24 hour walkout.

Revellers will struggle to get home,

potentially. Obviously there is

Storm Dylan blowing around the

country. There are apparently four

weather warning is, predicted winds

of up to 80 mph. Edinburgh

celebrations will still continue,

despite the threat of wind. That is

good to hear. We are looking at the

Ben Wallace interview earlier, that

was talking about the security

threat, not only do you have weather

and rail, but there is a need to

keep a vigilant, because the threat

is real.

We forgot the motorways. If

you are on the roads as well. Just

add to the list. Back to the Sunday

Times, very quickly. Mum's names to

be put on wedding certificates. Why

haven't they been on All this Time?

I cannot believe I never questioned

it was there. It is so sexist.

What

do you think of this, Henry?

Nobody

is against this idea. Vote people on

the right and the left are saying

this makes absolutely no sense to

have a gender to vision on marriage

-- both people. The wedding

certificate only has the father's

name and occupation.

It is

ludicrous. A step forward. We are

forgetting that. OK. Deborah and

Henry, thank you so much. Have a

lovely new years, whatever you are

up to. Avoid the Rose, do not go to

parties. Thank you for having us,

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