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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

to what the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me is Susie Boniface,

columnist at the Daily Mirror,

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and the Public Affairs

Consultant, Alex Deane.

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good to see you both, happy New Year

and all that.

Thank you.

Hello.

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The I takes a closer look

at the ongoing pressure facing

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the NHS this winter,

and Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt's

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apology for having to cancel tens

of thousands of non-urgent surgeries

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until the end of the month.

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The Times leads on one of the many

explosive claims included in a new

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book about the tram presidency,

taking special interest in a claim

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that Tony Blair warned Donald

Trump's aids that British

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intelligence may have spied on him.

The Guardian reports on a call by

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the leader of the local council in

winter to get rid of rough sleepers

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by the time of the wedding of Prince

Harry and Meghan Markle.

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The Telegraph says

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the Environment Secretary,

Michael Gove, will announce plans

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for farmers to be rewarded

for opening up the countryside

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to the public and enhancing

the environment after Brexit.

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It also shows a windswept dog called

'Cookie' soaking up Storm Eleanor's

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gale force gusts on the beach

at Heacham in Norfolk.

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The metro takes a more ominous look

at Storm Eleanor, with an image of

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Porthcawl in South Wales.

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And The Metro also

celebrates the lottery win

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of a cab driving widower,

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who scooped £24 million

without matching all

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the numbers on his ticket.

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That is also on the front page of

the Mirror, with the Lotto winner

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celebrating, surrounded by five

daughters. And the story of the

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homeless man originally branded a

hero following the Manchester Arena

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attack, having pleaded guilty to

stealing some of the victims's

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possessions.

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The Financial Times leads with fears

over Britain's asset

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management industry -

and its vulnerability to EU

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countries after Brexit.

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The express has a weather story. -10

in some areas warning that we were

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facing a week-long chill. You know

where you are with the express has

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topped

in the middle of winter.

You

know where you are with the times as

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well because we will start with

that, Susie. Blair warns Trump UK

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may have spied on him. All of this

is part of an explosive new book by

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the journalist writer Michael Wolff

in the States that is coming out

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next week. All kinds of claims. This

is a very interesting one to stop

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they are all very interesting, and I

have to warn the viewer here...

The

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viewer? The viewers, or 15 million

of them, Susie!

I always thought

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about the viewer, and the listener

on the radio. The reader when I'm

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writing the papers.

OK, we get it!

The issue is that many of the people

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he has interviewed have a reputation

for, shall we say, misleading the

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public. Tony Blair also has that

reputation, allegedly, when it comes

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to dossiers. Allegedly. We have

someone who has misled the public

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and is being investigated by the FBI

telling Michael Wolff someone else

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who has misled the public are said

to him. Journalistically speaking,

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you can't really nail anything down.

We can talk about the claims but not

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the definite truth of anything in

particular.

The claim is Tony Blair

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tipped off the Trump administration

that in the run-up to the election,

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the national security agency in the

United States was buying on the

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Trump team. Needless to say, both

the White House and Trump's

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spokesman denied it was his. I

believe Tony Blair who said it and I

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believe it happen.

He it didn't

happen. He says it is a fabrication.

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He didn't talk about the NSA, he

talked about our GCHQ, he talked

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about the British spies spying on

Trump effectively for their friends

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at the NSA. It has been broadly

shown after the Snowdon revelations

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that the NSA bankrolls a big part of

what GCHQ does. We have a listening

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station in Cyprus that the NSA pays

for, and so forth. But the

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interesting thing is that the

trumpet construction denies this

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happens. If you asked them, the UK

Government denies it happen. But

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GCHQ denied to ten years they were

doing Burrell Collection on your

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phone calls and e-mails and it

turned out they were. These denials

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are of limited value.

The point you

made, Susie, in a post-truth world,

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a lot of that created by the very

man on the front of the times here.

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And the people around him who are

now turning on each other.

Is he

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reaping what he has so on?

The

problem with the Trump White House,

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the people who have him in there,

they were a fairly loose group of

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affiliations. There were some be

built to win the support of the

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Republican Party, some who went to

Russia, apparently, some like Steve

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Bannon and bright went to the

extreme right wings, went to perhaps

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nationalists supremacist groups. As

a result, now they are in the White

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House, when there is a problem there

is not one particular core ideology

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of them to stick to the difficult

times. Now they are under pressure,

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they are starting to fall apart and

this is why Trump has turned on his

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former conciliatory, Steve Bannon

and started attacking him.

I agree.

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That is deeply weird but none of

that suggests this story is

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necessarily untrue. For me, the

thing about GCHQ's snooping, they

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said they were not collecting data

on you, me and everyone else. We had

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an investigatory Powers Tribunal

ruled that they were collecting

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everyone's data unlawfully. Why

should we believe Donald Trump was

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any different?

I don't think people

would mind if they were listening to

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him in the run up to the election.

So why deny it?

Probably because

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they were not doing it.

Front page

of the Telegraph, farmers to be paid

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to open up land to the public

according to Michael Gove, the

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Environment Secretary.

It seems when

we leave the European Union, in

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Shalaa, in 2019, we will be

subsidising our farmers who will

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lose from their subsidy, instead of

just giving hand-outs, which I think

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is right, we will reward farmers for

greater public access. The quote

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from Michael Gove is that you will

only receive public money for public

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good.

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On land that hitherto Ramblas and

Coe could not go on to. To me it

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sounds like a very good idea. It is

also quite brave of Michael Gove.

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Many people who receive hitherto

this kind of hand are wealthy

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landowners who have received it

either for owning land they owned

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anyway, or owning land and then not

doing anything with it under

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set-aside. Michael Gove is

Environment Secretary once again

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rather surprises people by doing the

unexpected and probably doing a good

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thing.

Does it make sense to you,

Susie?

To some extent,

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journalistically. This is a speech

Michael Gove is given, an early

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version handed out to some

newspapers. The Times and the

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Telegraph both reported it

differently for different reasons,

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they have different readerships and

different reasons for not backing

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Gove. What good is saying in the

Telegraph has absolutely no figures

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are attached to it.

So he doesn't

say how much it might cost?

It does.

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Just a moment. The Times reports

that the total cost will be £10

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billion. It also says that these

promises, to give a transition to

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farmers for their subsidies, was

intended to end in 2022, and Gove is

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having the extent that to 2024

because farmers would not have long

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enough, in terms of preparing for

the future and buying their

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equipment and so on and so forth. If

you say farmers have two games

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subsidies, which they need, then you

have to do give that farmer more

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than he would get for putting it in

wheat or crops or animals or solar

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farm or something else. So it will

cost more than perhaps capped

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subsidies would do and there is no

figure on it.

Or indeed not growing

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anything.

Yes, quite often you can

get subsidies for not farming your

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land. Your average person in this

country would ask why is Khalid

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Abdullah Al sued receiving hundreds

of thousands of pounds a year for

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his land and capped subsidies, and

why when we promised to match that

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subsidy for doing nothing? Isn't it

right when we leave the EU that we

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ask them to do something in return

for that money, to allow public

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access to the land? I sound like a

socialist saying this!

Alex, trust

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me, you will never sound like a

socialist.

God bless you!

CHUCKLING

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The Paice, Jeremy Hunt -- the Ibiza.

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Jeremy Hunt.

They have had to

prepare very hard for this winter.

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There were queues in A&E in summer.

There were issues plainly coming

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several years down the track. Now we

have a particular cold spell, a

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norovirus and a flu outbreak and a

growing social care problem. More

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and more people with conflicts

problems have to go to A&E at the

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last minute and be treated there.

Hunt had to apologise for stop

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further is no crisis, there is

nothing to see here. You only have

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to have spent five minutes in the

NHS to know what the problems are.

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To know someone who works at the NHS

or to have used it. There are

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clearly problems afoot and you can't

continue denying it.

There are

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problems afoot but the lazy answer

is that there is not about money but

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putting more money into the NHS than

ever.

But not enough.

That is

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because some people regard the NHS

as a religion.

Demand has gone up 4%

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of the funding has gone up 1%.

There

are several countries who give

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roughly the same or less, like

Australia, Switzerland, that don't

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fall over when they have a flu

outbreak. The point about it is not

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the amount of money that goes in, it

is about who provides that payment.

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Generally speaking it is when it is

a universal state system that it

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falls over. It is about inefficiency

and incompetence, not about the mad

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money for stop in the end people

like shouting the odds on that don't

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like people pointing it out because

to them the NHS is a cult, our

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national origin. You can't touch it

in politics in case you die.

You

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don't want to defend it, you don't

get to use it.

And there you go.

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That attitude.

Homeless people

should be cleared out of winter for

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the royal wedding, apparently the

call from a local council.

I think

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it is someone who has a lid flies

are treated if you time is. You

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think people would learn not to use

social media, or indeed the comment

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in the way they do. The Conservative

leader of the Royal Borough of

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Windsor and Maidenhead seems to have

written to Thames Valley Police,

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asking effectively for the

enforcement of the law as it stands,

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which is to stop aggressive begging

and intimidation. But that is

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different from saying I want to

clear the homeless out of a

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particular borough. On the one hand

you have what he has asked for, in

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the law as it stands, not

unreasonable. On the other, people

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behaving I think probably unwisely

on social media. In the end, the

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Guardian like to say Tories are bad.

LAUGHTER

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Does it, Susie?

Going back to the

story, the council leader has

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treated apparently it is an issue he

said some of these while he was

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skiing in Wyoming.

So you are saying

the same as me, back to the story.

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Then he has written to the local

Police Commissioner, which has been

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released to the public before it has

gone to the Police Commissioner, he

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says. Maybe the post was just late

(!) As Alex rightly says, he has

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conflated the issue of homelessness

and rough sleeping with begging and

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vagrancy which is not the same

thing. You have a real issue with

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homelessness, about a dozen people

sleeping rough on the streets of

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Windsor on Christmas Day cared for

by local charities. It is known that

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a third of people who are rough

sleepers have mental health

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problems, nearly half have substance

abuse problems. You constantly clear

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them off the streets. No you could

give them somewhere to go for the

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day. It cost about 1500 quid to get

someone off the street at about

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£20,000 to the state to them to have

on the -- stay on the street and

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have helped the need.

Confusion than

perhaps in Windsor covering that

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particular story but no confusion

about the guy in the front of the

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Daily Mirror. This Cabaye has won

Wendy Fawell million pounds. "My

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Girlfriend is looking down from

heaven, she passed away last year".

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Amazing story, God bless him. He got

five numbers, as did several dozen

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other people who got about a grand

apiece, but he also got the bonus

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ball, and that has made him a

multimillionaire. And God bless him,

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because last year his other half,

aged 41...

Four years ago.

Excuse

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me, four years ago, collapsed and

died on their Christmas tree. It is

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a great story of someone who

deserves a true bit of luck and who

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got it.

It is nice to get a

deserving lottery winner. But the

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problem he will find is that when

you do have lottery wins, the

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winners are often inundated with

begging letters, family member is

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they haven't heard from in years and

years. You don't have to have

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publicity.

He could have said no. He

clearly feels he could do with it.

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People so they often want to share,

I just hope he doesn't get taken

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advantage of.

We will end at there.

Thank you for the stories behind the

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headlines and the YouTube watching.

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Don't forget, you can see the front

pages of the papers online

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on the BBC News website.

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It's all there for you - seven days

a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

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and if you miss the programme any

evening, you can watch it

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later on BBC iPlayer.

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Thank you, Susie and Alex.

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