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Hello and welcome to our look

at this morning's papers.

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With me are political commentator

Vincent Moss and contributoring

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editor for the Daily Mail Ian

Birrell.

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Let's take a look at

the front pages then.

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The Sunday Times reports

that the new Justice Secretary

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is preparing to intervene to halt

the release of the so-called "black

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cab rapist", John Worboys.

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The Mirror also leads

on the future of John Worboys -

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reporting on concerns

about whether he could return

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to the same flat he owned

before going to jail.

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The Mail looks at the row

surrounding the girlfriend of Ukip's

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party leader Henry Bolton -

after she reportedly made racist

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remarks about Meghan Markle.

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The Sunday Telegraph

has an interview with

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the new Conservative Party chairman

Brandon Lewis , he tells the paper

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he wants to galvanise the party's

digital campaigning.

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The Observer reports claims

by Nigel Farage that pro-Europeans

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could overturn the result

of the Brexit referendum,

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and that the Leave side

has "stopped fighting".

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The Sunday Express claims economists

are warning the EU that failing

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to reach a Brexit deal with Britain

could cost it £500 billion.

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And The Sun claims TV host

Ant McPartlin has filed for divorce

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from his wife of 11 years.

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Let's begin with The Observer, how

our historic Brexit vote could be

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reversed phase Nigel Farage. It

doesn't seem very likely but he is

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saying that pro-EU people, Remainers

are campaigning harder now than

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Leavers.

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are campaigning harder now than

Leavers.

He's right about that. You

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could argue that the Leavers won the

argument so they are sitting back

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and Nigel Farage eyes on the is

saying unless something changes you

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could have a second referendum on

the Leave Campaign could lose. It

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looks increasingly unlikely that

there will be a second referendum

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but I think the argument is not

necessarily one and that's the point

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Nigel Farage is making. He says

there is a majority in parliament

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who are Remainers and that's a

problem.

Is this a rallying call to

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the Leave Campaign in a way?

I think

it's partly about the fact Nigel is

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feeling unloved and missing the

spotlight. He said something on a TV

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show which sparked a few headlines

and he's pushing it hard. It's also

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about saying I'm the best campaign

on this issue and it's all being

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lost and people aren't campaigning

hard enough. Having a go at his

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rivals on it. Also I think it's

about the fact there is still this

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problem in defining the Brexit the

leave camp want. There is a variety

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of different Brexits being presented

and I think he's pushing for a hard

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edge Brexit and keep pressure up and

trying to revolt Leaver revive a

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role for himself as a person who

believes in a hard Brexit. But

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reality seems to be intruding and

people are finding it harder to

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define what is the sort of Brexit we

want to find something that works

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for everyone involved.

As we go into

the trade negotiations it seems it's

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all to play for still in terms of

what sort of Brexit it ends up

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being.

That's right. I think the

fear from Nigel Farage and the Leave

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Campaign is the idea that there

might be a form that still sees

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Britain in the customs union and

single market. He is part of this

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push back and there is a lack of

definition from some of the leave

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aside about what they are seeking.

That's part of the problem. I'm not

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too sure how interested many of the

readers will be in the process of

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this story but in terms of the

details it's not going to go away

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and will continue to run and run as

a story on the front page of The

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Observer but I'm not sure it's

worthy of a front-page, in terms of

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every little bit of it.

The front

page of your paper The Mail on

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Sunday and a story about the current

Ukip leader Henry Bolton, or really

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his girlfriend talking about the

fiancee of Prince Harry Meghan

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Markle and a series of text

messages.

It follows on from the

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Farage story. Here is his former

party, they seem to have a new

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leader every week and the leader is

seen to run into also some personal

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issues. Here we have a leader who's

had a Danish wife and then a Russian

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wife and now he's moved in with this

other person. Obviously that's up to

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him but she doesn't appear to be the

most appealing character and she

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shows up what a lot of people think

Ukip is really all about under the

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surface with a lot of people. I

think for them you've got this

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fringe group which has diminished

interest in the public debate. It

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won its big argument and has become

a fringe group and its going through

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this ludicrous process.

These are

text messages from Jo Marney. We

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won't go into the details of what

they say but obviously we are used

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to reporting about people's Twitter

messages, their posts on Facebook.

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But these are text messages.

Yes,

that's what I find interesting. The

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content is horrendous and unpleasant

and racist and Jo Marney has been

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suspended and has apologised. What's

interesting is the context. This

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isn't something that we've seen

posted on a public website. It looks

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as though these are text messages

sent to someone else who has then

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passed them on to the newspaper, to

The Mail on Sunday. That is an

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interesting point about when is it

acceptable to print people's text

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messages because many people put

things in text messages but they

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wouldn't want to see in a newspaper.

In this case I suspect when a Mail

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on Sunday would argue there is a big

public interest because he is the

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leader of a political party but it's

an interesting area because it is

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different from something you put on

a public facing forum.

The BBC

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haven't seen these messages

independently and also Jo Marney has

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said "I apologise unreservedly for

the shocking language I used. The

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opinions I expressed were

deliberately exaggerated to make a

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point and have it to an extent been

taken out of context but I fully

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recognise the offence they have

caused". She is apologising.

She is

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but there's no doubt whether they

are exaggerated or not, they are

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vile and deeply racist and give an

insight into the person who is

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currently the partner of a leader of

a political party.

Should he resign?

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I'm not sure many people care about

Ukip and to their current leader is

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but I think he looks a diminished

figure from a very small standard

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already. I think there is a genuine

public interest. If it was Theresa

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May's partner or Jeremy Corbyn's

partner expressing those views it

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would be a legitimate area of press

concerned.

Let's talk about how to

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fight the next election. The Tories,

it's well known that Labour, OK they

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didn't win the last election but

arguably they won the election

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online, in terms of getting younger

people out of eight they were very

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successful and the Tories want to

try and match them.

Labour did do

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well in the digital area and the

Conservatives recognise they've got

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some catching up to do. There have

been some funny examples recently

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how badly the Conservatives have

done their social media so they are

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trying to improve on it. The Sunday

Telegraph has eight interview with

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Brandon Lewis and he says he wants

to get shy Tories out there in the

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digital world and wants to give them

a toolkit of gifs and videos and

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graphics and all the rest of it.

This recognition of a way of

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engaging with younger voters and

moving away from things like

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newspapers, sadly and more into

social media. It's an interesting

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story about what the plans are for

the new Conservative chairman and

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how he wants to reinvigorate their

base among young voters.

No one

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knows this better than Brandon Lewis

because the Tory party managed to

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announce someone else had his job

during the reshuffle. Their

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communications operation put the

wrong name in the frame. There is a

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more fundamental problem, for the

Tories young devotees didn't vote

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for them -- younger voters didn't

vote for them. There is a more

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fundamental problem which is the

current conservative message which

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is tough on immigration, tough on

borders and above all Brexit doesn't

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appeal to people in their 20s, 30s

and 40s. All the polling data shows

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that. You can build houses, change

but ultimately it's not the method

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but the core message. For the

Conservative Party at the moment

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back core message is deeply

unappealing to young people and

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that's the problem they've got.

Given that they are stuck on this

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track of going for Brexit and

pushing it through and being

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identified with it, and it's really

something we are having because of

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the ruptures and divisions in the

Conservative Party, this is the

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problem they've got. It is something

inherently unpopular with younger

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people.

Let's stay with The Sunday

Telegraph. They've also got a story

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about Carillion which does

construction as well as other things

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and they are in serious trouble.

They are clearly part of the

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government's plans for HS2 and so

on.

This will be the big story of

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the week, they have huge debts of

about 1.6 billion, a pension fund

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black hole of 600 million and a

company that looks as though it is

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on the brink of collapse. So far the

government has been fairly quiet and

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I think it needs to probably come to

the House of Commons tomorrow and

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explain what it's going to do. If

this company collapses it would be

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bad news not just for the people who

work there, it would be terrible for

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public services and then there's the

banks and the shareholders. People

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may not feel that much pity for

banks and shareholders but it's a

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problem the government hasn't really

said what it's going to do about it

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and it needs to get a grip on the

situation and explain its plans.

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Let's go to The Sunday Times. John

Warboys the black cab rapist and the

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Justice Secretary preparing to

intervene, says The Sunday Times, to

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try and stop his release which was

sanctioned by the parole board. This

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is hugely controversial and it looks

like David Gauke has been under

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pressure from other Cabinet

ministers to make the parole board

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have another look at this.

He's in a

difficult position because clearly

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there are valid questions over the

prosecution and whether this guy,

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who was convicted of one rape and a

variety of sexual assaults, but

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there's lots of women who say there

are cases that went taken up and

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prosecuted. Due process has been

followed and there is questions over

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in forming the victims but the

judicial system is operating

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correctly. The new Justice Secretary

has a difficult conundrum which is

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many people feel this guy shouldn't

be released, he remains a danger and

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he's terrifying for a lot of those

people who he abused and attacked.

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There is a political pressure to do

something about it.

What do you

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think will be the outcome?

It's hard

to go down the route of a judicial

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review because the release is not

the issue, potentially. The parole

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board may well have followed

everything correctly. The issue is

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the sentence and whether enough of

the prosecutions were followed

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through with. There's potentially

100 victims.

12 victims were part of

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the case in the trial so there are

others.

Allegedly there are up to 93

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other cases out there so it's a big

problem. I can understand the fears

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of the victims because it is highly

likely I would imagine that he will

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be given a new identity and all the

rest of it. It's possible he could

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be linked near his victims and they

wouldn't necessarily know.

A

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suggestion the parole board should

do more or be entitled to do more to

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explain their decisions. I think at

the moment they can't really go into

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the details of how they reach a

decision. In future that would be a

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better way forward.

It would help

people have more confidence in the

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system. If there's a lesson from

this, should be looking at our rape

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cases and these serious sexual

assault cases, are they still taken

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seriously enough and are they being

prosecuted in. That is the

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fundamental issue I think.

The

Observer's front-page story is about

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Donald Trump not coming to Britain

for a visit and it says his

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deteriorating relationship with

Britain is likely to kill off any

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lingering Cabinet hopes of a Swift

post-Brexit deal with the US. Is

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there a deteriorating relationship?

There's got to be. Just the recent

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story we saw about him pulling out

of the opening of the new American

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embassy and the general anti-Trump

rhetoric over here can hardly endear

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us to the Americans.

Surely we

aren't the only country with

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anti-Trump rhetoric.

Know but it's

always about the special

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relationship and they would be a

greater focus on us. We look as

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though we really don't like Trump

and whatever the views are of him a

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lot of people voted for him and he

is the president. These comments are

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from a former British ambassador in

Washington pointing this out. There

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is a poll highlighting 70% of Brits

think Trump is an trustworthy and

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not a good bet. It's really

highlighting the obvious because

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America is critical to our

post-Brexit trade plants. If we

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can't get a deal with America than

Britain will really be struggling

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and that would be bad news is the

Theresa May and Liam Fox.

Does the

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trade deal really depend on what

Donald Trump thinks of us?

He has an

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influence on it because he is the

leader of the government and if he

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wants to stay me it he could. As we

know he's not a conventional

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politician so he could easily stymie

it. Canada took seven years famously

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to get a trade deal with the

European Union. This is a deal of

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incredible complexity. The idea you

could do it in a few months as a

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pipe dream. It's always going to be

a long, complicated, difficult

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process. In that respect I think the

row over whether Trump is upset by

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not being able to meet the Queen or

come to a royal wedding or open his

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embassy is a red herring.

The last

story in The Sunday Times, it's

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dried January all year. They are

saying traditional January detox

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could last all year because of new

government health guidelines.

The

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headline makes it sound like it's

about alcohol but it's more about

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food. Public Health England talking

about calorific intake and saying

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that we should all be calorie

capping lunch and dinner at 600

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calories and breakfast at 400, and

saying the guidelines for women

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would be about 2000 a day and men

2500, pointing out a Kentucky mighty

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bucket for one is 1200 calories.

It's less about alcohol and more

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about eating less.

You've got to

share your bucket for one because it

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is 1200 calories than say 600 -- and

they say that 600 is the maximum.

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Are you guys doing dried January?

Occasionally, with the odd day off.

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I started.

I feel rather better for

it. I don't know whether it will

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last all year.

You are a model for a

healthy living!

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That's it for The Papers.

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Thanks to Vincent and Ian.

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Just a reminder we take a look

at tomorrow's front pages every

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evening at 10.40pm here on BBC News.

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