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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead

to what the the papers will be

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bringing us tomorrow.

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With me are Michael Booker,

deputy editor of Daily

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Express and Rachel Shabi,

journalist and broadcaster.

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Many of tomorrow's front

pages are already in.

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The i says Theresa May has been

given the go-ahead by the Treasury

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to cut tuition fees.

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Calls for the two British so-called

Islamic State fighters,

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to face trial at the Hague

leads the Telegraph.

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The Daily Mail says that one

of the British jihadis

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was attempting to travel back

to the UK.

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The FT leads with the strong stance

made by the Eu's Chief

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negotiator for Brexit,

that a transition deal

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is "not a given".

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The Guardian claims safety breaches

at laboratories could have exposed

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scientists to potentially lethal

diseases.

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The FT leads with the strong stance

made by the EU's Chief

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negotiator for Brexit,

that a transition deal

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is "not a given".

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The Express carries comments

from a Bank of England official,

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who says that Britain will be

robust after Brexit.

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So a first look at Saturday's

papers, thank you both for joining,

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let's hear what you make of some

of those stories.

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Let's start with that story in The

Daily Mail which asks whether the

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jet had a Briton was sneaking back

home. What is your take on this one?

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It is particularly focusing on one

of the two Britons, Alexanda Kotey,

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who were captured. They've tried to

give it as much as a British related

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angle as possible. It taps into the

fear that with the Islamic State

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being routed in Syria, a lot of the

guys and women who went over there

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to fight for them are going to try

and come back and subsequently there

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could be terror attacks here. We

understand they are being quizzed by

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the Americans, the CIA and our

intelligence as well to see... About

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Isis and about plots coming here. I

think that's the way The Mail have

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done it in that way, because there

is that fear that people could be

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getting through. They clearly didn't

get through, they are safely in

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custody, thank God. Now is the

question about what to do with them.

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The Telegraph have looked at that

and are saying the defence ministers

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say they should not go to Guantanamo

Bay but there should be some special

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mechanism in The Hague to try them.

A lot of questions still about these

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two men.

It looks like it could be a

possible conflict between the UK and

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the US. The US backed Syrian

democratic forces captured these two

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men who were Islamic State fighters

and Trump has indicated they should

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go to Guantanamo Bay. Of course,

Britain won't be happy about that

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although there is some division in

cabinet I understand. In principle

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Britain has been opposed to

Guantanamo Bay and will be trying to

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get people out of there, not put

more people into it. There was also

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the bigger question of its really

important with something like this.

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Obviously these were appalling

crimes committed by Islamic State

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and it's an important part of the

aftermath of war to have justice to

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be visibly done. It's an important

part of any kind of aftermath and

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what happens next in those

countries, as well as setting a

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standard that is different from

Islamic State. We have a system of

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justice, justice will be done

through the courts. That is a value

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that we think is important. It's

important to have that in this

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particular conflict and issue I

think.

The families of victims won't

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have much sympathy for how they are

treated, particularly.

They have

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said very much they want to see them

facing a proper trial.

The other

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thing is, if you go to The Hague

does that give them a legitimacy as

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an army rather than criminals?

This

is picking up The Daily Telegraph

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which says they should face a trial

at The Hague. This is by Tobias

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Ellwood his own brother was killed

in a terrorist attack.

He has

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suggested because of the scale of

this that there needs to be a

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special mechanism with The Hague.

Just thinking, is that giving them

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this legitimacy of a proper army.

They did try one of the world's most

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famous war criminals.

I think a lot

of people will be happy to see them

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extradited to America where they

could face the death penalty in

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their courts.

At this point it is

important for a country who believes

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in its democratic values as distinct

from the lawlessness and the

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appalling crimes committed by

Islamic State, it's important to

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make that distinction visibly clear

in a way we execute justice.

If they

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were extradited to America, that's

American justice if they do face the

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death penalty after that.

But they

are Brits.

We aren't sure if they

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are, if they have had their

citizenship revoked we are duty

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bound to stand in the way of

extradition which is something the

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government and saying what they are

doing at the moment.

It appears the

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signals coming out that these two

have both been stripped of their

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British citizenship. That presumably

makes a trial here less likely.

We

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all know the problems with

Guantanamo, one of the issues was

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the double standards. You're going

to criticise things that are done in

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the Middle East and then you're

going to behave in that way in

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Guantanamo with all the torture and

atrocities. That's not necessarily

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something that we want to be seen...

There is a hypocrisy there that we

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need to eliminate.

I think

generally, the man and woman in the

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street might not have a huge amount

of sympathy...

That's why the man

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and woman in the street and in the

judiciary. That's why we have a

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process.

America has a process and

it could end up with them in

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Guantanamo Bay.

That's the dilemma

now.

Moving on from there, closer to

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home we've got the IP per -- we've

got the i Paper talking about

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tuition fees. This is obviously an

issue where Labour has made a lot of

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running.

This is the Conservative

attempt to try and claw back some of

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the youth vote that it has

haemorrhaged, where young people is

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anyone under the age of 46. Even if

they manage, the Treasury has

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signalled approval for this policy,

even if Theresa May manages to

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follow through with any kind of

policy at the moment which is

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debatable given her paralysis and

track record, we then have to look

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at why would anyone fall for this

kind of lowering of tuition fees

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when you could have the real thing,

a complete cut, with the Labour

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Party. The other issue is given the

Conservatives aren't going to raise

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taxes, how are they going to fund

any reduction in fees. The worry is

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that it will come from the schools

budget.

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They have a problem with their

budgeting in the way that the Labour

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Party doesn't as well.

There is a

key line which says decision on

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lower cap rests with Theresa May.

Decision and Theresa May, we haven't

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seen a lot of those.

Mr Hammond has

fallen out with her a lot recently.

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Me and my brother wouldn't have been

able to go to University of wit had

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to pay these fees. £6,000 is still

huge amount of money for people.

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They are saying this is because of

the cost of writing off unpaid...

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You can still not pay off a student

loan of £6,000 as well. It's going

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to take a lot to get to those

levels, earnings wise. So whether

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this is a brilliant idea, we don't

know. I can't see people flocking to

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the polls for this.

The idea seems

to be that they are happy for this

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to happen, the Treasury, because of

the cost of writing it. Presumably

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that's because very few graduates

are earning above the threshold to

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actually start to repay the money.

That's the other problem. Students

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are being hit at every turn. On the

one hand we have the highest level

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of, or the second highest of student

loans, like the amount is completely

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punishing the students. On the other

hand to come out of university with

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a degree and then the problem is

finding a job with any kind of

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sustainable living income. It's a

double hit for young people.

Lets

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have a look at The Daily Mirror.

This is another story about problems

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with the parole system.

We've had

stuff about John Warboys over the

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last few weeks. This is another one.

This is James Yates who was given 12

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years for supplying the gun which

killed Rhys Jones in 2007. He was

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released on licence so few years

ago. Then he was subsequently

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rearrested for drugs offences. They

were dropped but it also breached

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bail. Now there has been a decision

by the parole office to let him out.

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Understandably the father of Rhys

Jones is furious. He says he was the

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worst of the lot because he gave

them the garden. I think we'll get a

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lot of the stories because people

are always going to come up for

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parole and it's always going to be

controversial given what's happened

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with John Warboys.

Moving on, and

looking at The Express in a moment.

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One story that doesn't seem to have

made the front pages is the fact

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you've actually been taken over.

How's that gone down?

Is quite an

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exciting time, I'd recommend being

part of a takeover at least once in

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your life.

By The Mirror, a group

not known to share the political

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outlook of The Express.

As long as

you keep your politics apart it's

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quite easy to do. It's exciting

times in newspapers, we'll see what

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happens. Two great names getting

together, I'm sure it will be fine.

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Brilliant. On that note, Rachel, The

Express front page is saying Brexit

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Britain will be robust which of

course reflects The Express' view on

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this.

You wonder if this will still

be the view. You've got to hammer it

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home with the exclamation point.

This is according to a senior Bank

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of England official who today said

that we are going to be fine,

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everything is going to be fine. If

we live without, if we leave with a

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deal, it's all going to be fine, we

don't need to worry.

It reflects

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what our readers think and that's

what we tried to do. We hear every

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day from them, phone calls, letters,

e-mails, that they think it's going

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to be fine. It's nice to have...

That's a feeling.

This is also from

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the deputy governor of the Bank of

England.

Also a feeling.

We've got

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to report something!

Interesting The

Express has picked up on this at a

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time when we've had this powerful

intervention by Michel Barnier. The

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FT on its front page has got a

write-up on this, saying the Brexit

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transition is not a given. This was

Michel Barnier today's.

We've seen

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this all week. You get the feeling a

pattern is emerging with these

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negotiations. It feels like we saw

this kind of interaction in the

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first stage of being English

editions as well, both sides saying

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that's unreasonable. The other side

says you're being unreasonable. It

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seems to go back and forth like

that. Actually it is not to detract

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from the fact this is quite

significant. The transition period

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is very important to commit to as

soon as possible because, as we saw

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with the pound dropping today, it

does lead to insecurity in the

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business world and the business

community not knowing that this

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transition period in which things

will remain unchanged is definitely

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going to happen and for how long.

Pretty strong words from Michel

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Barnier today.

There were strong

words in the last set of talks. It

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seems like him and David Davis are

like two boxes getting back in the

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ring for another round and they will

trade some blows, we think it will

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go to the last few seconds and then

funnily enough they operate so let's

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have another round. You get the

impression there seems to be this

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rhythm to it. But there are some

serious sticking points. They are

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talking about falsehood is on rights

for people from the EU -- full

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citizen rights. And this idea we

could be punished and kicked out at

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various points if we break certain

rules during transition. It's the

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start of round two and we'll have to

get used to this.

It is a weird

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request for Britain. Surely the

point of a transition period is

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things are moral less and changed.

The idea of introducing another tier

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of circumstances for EU citizens in

the transition period and then

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again, it seems like an awful way to

treat a lot of people.

Yes, that's

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something they have to sort out.

They'll come back with something

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else and meet somewhere in the

middle.

The other issue Michel

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Barnier raised was this question of

the Northern Ireland border, saying

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if we are going to be outside the

customs union and the single market,

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then he's saying a border between

Northern Ireland and the republic is

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unavoidable.

Going back to Theresa

May, all of the Brexiteers and the

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Cabinet haven't decided what they

want from the end of Brexit. They

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are supposed to be going away to

sort this out. I'm not sure they

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know exactly what they are asking

for at the moment. There is still a

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huge confusion.

You can see Michel

Barnier is saying we thought you

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would have told us by now exactly

how this was going to work, we are

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expecting you and then you've

suddenly taken it off the table this

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week. If you're not going to tell us

we will have to assume Northern

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Ireland will remain in the customs

union and single market because

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that's the only way to resolve it in

the absence of any suggestion from

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you. I can't see how that will play

with Northern Ireland and the DUP

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because it would put a border

between...

We thought we had sorted

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this out the other week!

As Michel

Barnier says, the clock is ticking.

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The Telegraph has a fantastic

picture on its front page. This is

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another one of the stories we've

been discussing, the opening of

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those Winter Olympics with the

combined North and South Korean

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team.

We've got Mike Pence, the vice

president of the United States and

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behind him the sister of Kim

Jong-un. That's all she is known as

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is his sister. She's a despot in

harrowing right! -- in her own

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right. That's the sister smiling

beatifically. Mike Pence ignored

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this dinner that certain North

Korean dignitaries were invited to

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and so had he. He's not talking to

them. It's a slightly childish

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way...

It looks as though he's a bit

embarrassed by the whole thing is.

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Because I'm so obsessed with the

weather at the moment because it's

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freezing, I've been watching and the

journalists apparently have heat

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packs but in the ceremony some of

the performers as well as the

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athletes, some in shorts, one of

them is bare-chested...

The

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diplomatic repercussions of the

combined North and South Korean team

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hasn't been uppermost in your mind!

It's amazing, obviously!

He's

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gripped by it rather than thinking

he wants to get out of there!

He's

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cold as well.

He had a smile fixed

on his face. It was a huge,

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spectacular ceremony with fireworks.

And in terms of diplomacy, a massive

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statement.

Shaking hands with

President Moon, a huge big thing.

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Whether at the end of the Olympics

everyone is still friends again,

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we'll see but I'm not betting on it!

They've been told by the US not to

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be friends.

Another story on the

front page of The Telegraph,

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smartphones will get you off the

sofa.

The NHS is designing healthy

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homes in ten new help the towns.

Lots of monitoring, smart technology

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and new homes, remote monitoring of

people, sensors to tell you when you

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should be doing more and to tell you

to do more steps. In these towns

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there will be free bikes, outdoor

assault courses.

Is that your

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favourite bit?

This is brilliant. On

every street corner and outdoor

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assault course. You'll be bringing

into work saying I can't come in,

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I'm stuck on a rope ladder! People

will be revolting. We don't want

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people ringing us up in the middle

of the night saying you want to

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bring enough steps!

Many thanks.

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That's it for The Papers tonight.

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Don't forget you can see the front

pages of the papers online

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on the BBC News website.

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It's all there for you - seven days

a week at bbc.co.uk/papers -

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and if you miss the programme any

evening you can watch it

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later on BBC iPlayer.

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Thank you Michael and Rachel.

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Goodbye.

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