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Hello, and welcome to our look ahead
to what the the papers will be | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
bringing us tomorrow. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
With me are Michael Booker,
deputy editor of Daily | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Express and Rachel Shabi,
journalist and broadcaster. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Many of tomorrow's front
pages are already in. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
The i says Theresa May has been
given the go-ahead by the Treasury | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
to cut tuition fees. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
Calls for the two British so-called
Islamic State fighters, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
to face trial at the Hague
leads the Telegraph. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:50 | |
The Daily Mail says that one
of the British jihadis | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
was attempting to travel back
to the UK. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
The FT leads with the strong stance
made by the Eu's Chief | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
negotiator for Brexit,
that a transition deal | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
is "not a given". | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
The Guardian claims safety breaches
at laboratories could have exposed | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
scientists to potentially lethal
diseases. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
The FT leads with the strong stance
made by the EU's Chief | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
negotiator for Brexit,
that a transition deal | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
is "not a given". | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
The Express carries comments
from a Bank of England official, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
who says that Britain will be
robust after Brexit. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:26 | |
So a first look at Saturday's
papers, thank you both for joining, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
let's hear what you make of some
of those stories. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Let's start with that story in The
Daily Mail which asks whether the | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
jet had a Briton was sneaking back
home. What is your take on this one? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
It is particularly focusing on one
of the two Britons, Alexanda Kotey, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:48 | |
who were captured. They've tried to
give it as much as a British related | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
angle as possible. It taps into the
fear that with the Islamic State | 0:01:54 | 0:02:00 | |
being routed in Syria, a lot of the
guys and women who went over there | 0:02:00 | 0:02:08 | |
to fight for them are going to try
and come back and subsequently there | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
could be terror attacks here. We
understand they are being quizzed by | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
the Americans, the CIA and our
intelligence as well to see... About | 0:02:17 | 0:02:25 | |
Isis and about plots coming here. I
think that's the way The Mail have | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
done it in that way, because there
is that fear that people could be | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
getting through. They clearly didn't
get through, they are safely in | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
custody, thank God. Now is the
question about what to do with them. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
The Telegraph have looked at that
and are saying the defence ministers | 0:02:41 | 0:02:48 | |
say they should not go to Guantanamo
Bay but there should be some special | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
mechanism in The Hague to try them.
A lot of questions still about these | 0:02:51 | 0:02:58 | |
two men. It looks like it could be a
possible conflict between the UK and | 0:02:58 | 0:03:05 | |
the US. The US backed Syrian
democratic forces captured these two | 0:03:05 | 0:03:12 | |
men who were Islamic State fighters
and Trump has indicated they should | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
go to Guantanamo Bay. Of course,
Britain won't be happy about that | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
although there is some division in
cabinet I understand. In principle | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Britain has been opposed to
Guantanamo Bay and will be trying to | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
get people out of there, not put
more people into it. There was also | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
the bigger question of its really
important with something like this. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
Obviously these were appalling
crimes committed by Islamic State | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
and it's an important part of the
aftermath of war to have justice to | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
be visibly done. It's an important
part of any kind of aftermath and | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
what happens next in those
countries, as well as setting a | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
standard that is different from
Islamic State. We have a system of | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
justice, justice will be done
through the courts. That is a value | 0:04:04 | 0:04:10 | |
that we think is important. It's
important to have that in this | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
particular conflict and issue I
think. The families of victims won't | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
have much sympathy for how they are
treated, particularly. They have | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
said very much they want to see them
facing a proper trial. The other | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
thing is, if you go to The Hague
does that give them a legitimacy as | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
an army rather than criminals? This
is picking up The Daily Telegraph | 0:04:36 | 0:04:44 | |
which says they should face a trial
at The Hague. This is by Tobias | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
Ellwood his own brother was killed
in a terrorist attack. He has | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
suggested because of the scale of
this that there needs to be a | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
special mechanism with The Hague.
Just thinking, is that giving them | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
this legitimacy of a proper army.
They did try one of the world's most | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
famous war criminals. I think a lot
of people will be happy to see them | 0:05:07 | 0:05:17 | |
extradited to America where they
could face the death penalty in | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
their courts. At this point it is
important for a country who believes | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
in its democratic values as distinct
from the lawlessness and the | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
appalling crimes committed by
Islamic State, it's important to | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
make that distinction visibly clear
in a way we execute justice. If they | 0:05:34 | 0:05:41 | |
were extradited to America, that's
American justice if they do face the | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
death penalty after that. But they
are Brits. We aren't sure if they | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
are, if they have had their
citizenship revoked we are duty | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
bound to stand in the way of
extradition which is something the | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
government and saying what they are
doing at the moment. It appears the | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
signals coming out that these two
have both been stripped of their | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
British citizenship. That presumably
makes a trial here less likely. We | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
all know the problems with
Guantanamo, one of the issues was | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
the double standards. You're going
to criticise things that are done in | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
the Middle East and then you're
going to behave in that way in | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Guantanamo with all the torture and
atrocities. That's not necessarily | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
something that we want to be seen...
There is a hypocrisy there that we | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
need to eliminate. I think
generally, the man and woman in the | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
street might not have a huge amount
of sympathy... That's why the man | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
and woman in the street and in the
judiciary. That's why we have a | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
process. America has a process and
it could end up with them in | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
Guantanamo Bay. That's the dilemma
now. Moving on from there, closer to | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
home we've got the IP per -- we've
got the i Paper talking about | 0:06:54 | 0:07:04 | |
tuition fees. This is obviously an
issue where Labour has made a lot of | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
running. This is the Conservative
attempt to try and claw back some of | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
the youth vote that it has
haemorrhaged, where young people is | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
anyone under the age of 46. Even if
they manage, the Treasury has | 0:07:19 | 0:07:31 | |
signalled approval for this policy,
even if Theresa May manages to | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
follow through with any kind of
policy at the moment which is | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
debatable given her paralysis and
track record, we then have to look | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
at why would anyone fall for this
kind of lowering of tuition fees | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
when you could have the real thing,
a complete cut, with the Labour | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Party. The other issue is given the
Conservatives aren't going to raise | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
taxes, how are they going to fund
any reduction in fees. The worry is | 0:07:57 | 0:08:03 | |
that it will come from the schools
budget. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:14 | |
They have a problem with their
budgeting in the way that the Labour | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
Party doesn't as well. There is a
key line which says decision on | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
lower cap rests with Theresa May.
Decision and Theresa May, we haven't | 0:08:23 | 0:08:29 | |
seen a lot of those. Mr Hammond has
fallen out with her a lot recently. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:38 | |
Me and my brother wouldn't have been
able to go to University of wit had | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
to pay these fees. £6,000 is still
huge amount of money for people. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:49 | |
They are saying this is because of
the cost of writing off unpaid... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
You can still not pay off a student
loan of £6,000 as well. It's going | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
to take a lot to get to those
levels, earnings wise. So whether | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
this is a brilliant idea, we don't
know. I can't see people flocking to | 0:09:04 | 0:09:10 | |
the polls for this. The idea seems
to be that they are happy for this | 0:09:10 | 0:09:19 | |
to happen, the Treasury, because of
the cost of writing it. Presumably | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
that's because very few graduates
are earning above the threshold to | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
actually start to repay the money.
That's the other problem. Students | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
are being hit at every turn. On the
one hand we have the highest level | 0:09:32 | 0:09:38 | |
of, or the second highest of student
loans, like the amount is completely | 0:09:38 | 0:09:46 | |
punishing the students. On the other
hand to come out of university with | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
a degree and then the problem is
finding a job with any kind of | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
sustainable living income. It's a
double hit for young people. Lets | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
have a look at The Daily Mirror.
This is another story about problems | 0:10:00 | 0:10:06 | |
with the parole system. We've had
stuff about John Warboys over the | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
last few weeks. This is another one.
This is James Yates who was given 12 | 0:10:11 | 0:10:17 | |
years for supplying the gun which
killed Rhys Jones in 2007. He was | 0:10:17 | 0:10:24 | |
released on licence so few years
ago. Then he was subsequently | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
rearrested for drugs offences. They
were dropped but it also breached | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
bail. Now there has been a decision
by the parole office to let him out. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
Understandably the father of Rhys
Jones is furious. He says he was the | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
worst of the lot because he gave
them the garden. I think we'll get a | 0:10:41 | 0:10:47 | |
lot of the stories because people
are always going to come up for | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
parole and it's always going to be
controversial given what's happened | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
with John Warboys. Moving on, and
looking at The Express in a moment. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:02 | |
One story that doesn't seem to have
made the front pages is the fact | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
you've actually been taken over.
How's that gone down? Is quite an | 0:11:05 | 0:11:11 | |
exciting time, I'd recommend being
part of a takeover at least once in | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
your life. By The Mirror, a group
not known to share the political | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
outlook of The Express. As long as
you keep your politics apart it's | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
quite easy to do. It's exciting
times in newspapers, we'll see what | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
happens. Two great names getting
together, I'm sure it will be fine. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
Brilliant. On that note, Rachel, The
Express front page is saying Brexit | 0:11:33 | 0:11:40 | |
Britain will be robust which of
course reflects The Express' view on | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
this. You wonder if this will still
be the view. You've got to hammer it | 0:11:46 | 0:11:54 | |
home with the exclamation point.
This is according to a senior Bank | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
of England official who today said
that we are going to be fine, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
everything is going to be fine. If
we live without, if we leave with a | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
deal, it's all going to be fine, we
don't need to worry. It reflects | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
what our readers think and that's
what we tried to do. We hear every | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
day from them, phone calls, letters,
e-mails, that they think it's going | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
to be fine. It's nice to have...
That's a feeling. This is also from | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
the deputy governor of the Bank of
England. Also a feeling. We've got | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
to report something! Interesting The
Express has picked up on this at a | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
time when we've had this powerful
intervention by Michel Barnier. The | 0:12:39 | 0:12:46 | |
FT on its front page has got a
write-up on this, saying the Brexit | 0:12:46 | 0:12:53 | |
transition is not a given. This was
Michel Barnier today's. We've seen | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
this all week. You get the feeling a
pattern is emerging with these | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
negotiations. It feels like we saw
this kind of interaction in the | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
first stage of being English
editions as well, both sides saying | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
that's unreasonable. The other side
says you're being unreasonable. It | 0:13:11 | 0:13:19 | |
seems to go back and forth like
that. Actually it is not to detract | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
from the fact this is quite
significant. The transition period | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
is very important to commit to as
soon as possible because, as we saw | 0:13:28 | 0:13:35 | |
with the pound dropping today, it
does lead to insecurity in the | 0:13:35 | 0:13:42 | |
business world and the business
community not knowing that this | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
transition period in which things
will remain unchanged is definitely | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
going to happen and for how long.
Pretty strong words from Michel | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
Barnier today. There were strong
words in the last set of talks. It | 0:13:55 | 0:14:01 | |
seems like him and David Davis are
like two boxes getting back in the | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
ring for another round and they will
trade some blows, we think it will | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
go to the last few seconds and then
funnily enough they operate so let's | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
have another round. You get the
impression there seems to be this | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
rhythm to it. But there are some
serious sticking points. They are | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
talking about falsehood is on rights
for people from the EU -- full | 0:14:20 | 0:14:26 | |
citizen rights. And this idea we
could be punished and kicked out at | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
various points if we break certain
rules during transition. It's the | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
start of round two and we'll have to
get used to this. It is a weird | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
request for Britain. Surely the
point of a transition period is | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
things are moral less and changed.
The idea of introducing another tier | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
of circumstances for EU citizens in
the transition period and then | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
again, it seems like an awful way to
treat a lot of people. Yes, that's | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
something they have to sort out.
They'll come back with something | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
else and meet somewhere in the
middle. The other issue Michel | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Barnier raised was this question of
the Northern Ireland border, saying | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
if we are going to be outside the
customs union and the single market, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
then he's saying a border between
Northern Ireland and the republic is | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
unavoidable. Going back to Theresa
May, all of the Brexiteers and the | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
Cabinet haven't decided what they
want from the end of Brexit. They | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
are supposed to be going away to
sort this out. I'm not sure they | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
know exactly what they are asking
for at the moment. There is still a | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
huge confusion. You can see Michel
Barnier is saying we thought you | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
would have told us by now exactly
how this was going to work, we are | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
expecting you and then you've
suddenly taken it off the table this | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
week. If you're not going to tell us
we will have to assume Northern | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
Ireland will remain in the customs
union and single market because | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
that's the only way to resolve it in
the absence of any suggestion from | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
you. I can't see how that will play
with Northern Ireland and the DUP | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
because it would put a border
between... We thought we had sorted | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
this out the other week! As Michel
Barnier says, the clock is ticking. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:15 | |
The Telegraph has a fantastic
picture on its front page. This is | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
another one of the stories we've
been discussing, the opening of | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
those Winter Olympics with the
combined North and South Korean | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
team. We've got Mike Pence, the vice
president of the United States and | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
behind him the sister of Kim
Jong-un. That's all she is known as | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
is his sister. She's a despot in
harrowing right! -- in her own | 0:16:39 | 0:16:46 | |
right. That's the sister smiling
beatifically. Mike Pence ignored | 0:16:46 | 0:16:53 | |
this dinner that certain North
Korean dignitaries were invited to | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
and so had he. He's not talking to
them. It's a slightly childish | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
way... It looks as though he's a bit
embarrassed by the whole thing is. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
Because I'm so obsessed with the
weather at the moment because it's | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
freezing, I've been watching and the
journalists apparently have heat | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
packs but in the ceremony some of
the performers as well as the | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
athletes, some in shorts, one of
them is bare-chested... The | 0:17:21 | 0:17:28 | |
diplomatic repercussions of the
combined North and South Korean team | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
hasn't been uppermost in your mind!
It's amazing, obviously! He's | 0:17:31 | 0:17:38 | |
gripped by it rather than thinking
he wants to get out of there! He's | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
cold as well. He had a smile fixed
on his face. It was a huge, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:50 | |
spectacular ceremony with fireworks.
And in terms of diplomacy, a massive | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
statement. Shaking hands with
President Moon, a huge big thing. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:02 | |
Whether at the end of the Olympics
everyone is still friends again, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
we'll see but I'm not betting on it!
They've been told by the US not to | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
be friends. Another story on the
front page of The Telegraph, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
smartphones will get you off the
sofa. The NHS is designing healthy | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
homes in ten new help the towns.
Lots of monitoring, smart technology | 0:18:19 | 0:18:26 | |
and new homes, remote monitoring of
people, sensors to tell you when you | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
should be doing more and to tell you
to do more steps. In these towns | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
there will be free bikes, outdoor
assault courses. Is that your | 0:18:33 | 0:18:43 | |
favourite bit? This is brilliant. On
every street corner and outdoor | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
assault course. You'll be bringing
into work saying I can't come in, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
I'm stuck on a rope ladder! People
will be revolting. We don't want | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
people ringing us up in the middle
of the night saying you want to | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
bring enough steps! Many thanks. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
That's it for The Papers tonight. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Don't forget you can see the front
pages of the papers online | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
on the BBC News website. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
It's all there for you - seven days
a week at bbc.co.uk/papers - | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
and if you miss the programme any
evening you can watch it | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
later on BBC iPlayer. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
Thank you Michael and Rachel. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Goodbye. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 |