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Welcome to the Politics Show in Manchester where the Conservatives


are gathering, troubled by the compromises of coalition and a


gloomy economic outlook. We'll ask Party Chairman Baroness Warsi how


she responds to those Tories, and there are lot of them here in


Manchester, who think the price of coalition has been, well, a bit on


the high side. And as George Osborne prepares for his big speech,


we ask Tory backbenchers and businesses large and small how we


can go for growth? And we'll have details of an exclusive survey of


activists on what they want to hear from the Chancellor tomorrow.


will be asking the Transport Minister how the capital can avoid


gridlock during next year's Olympics. Plus Middle England is up


in arms about new plan threatening the green belt. Could they affect


But first the news with Chris Good afternoon. David Cameron has


again defended the government's strategy for delivering economic


growth. He insisted the Conservatives understood how rising


prices were making life difficult for many people. And he said being


in coalition was helpful at a time of economic difficulty. From the


party's conference in Manchester, Ben Wright sent this report.


His government under pressure to get the economy growing. This


morning he insisted he had a plan for firing up the engine of the


British economy. He said he knew people were under pressure but


dismissed calls for extra spending. Those people who argue a few more


billion now would make all the difference, I would say, over the


next four years, we will be spending three trillion pounds,


into the economy. Is it really a good risk to spend a few more


billion now and potentially put at risk of low interest rates which


are so keyed to the economic revival? Housebuilding is a key


part of the growth plan and wants to accelerate the council house


right-to-buy scheme and build a new house for everyone which is sold.


Brownfield sites will be sold for development. The biggest crisis is


the eurozone. The Prime Minister said it had to be tackled. What I


would relish right now is for European leaders to roll up their


sleeves, get the single market working, get the economies trading,


working and growing. People up and down Britain on not thinking, if


only we could have a treaty change in Europe. They are thinking, get


jobs going. That's what my conference and leadership is about.


He conceded there were tensions within the coalition. He said it


was the right government for the time. One of the benefits of


coalition is you put aside some of your immediate interests to achieve


long-term good and ask the country to try and come behind what the


Government is doing at a difficult time. The fact two parties are


making difficult decisions. party faithful are cross about the


compromises of coalition and sharing power with the Liberal


Democrats. The Tories will use his conference to show voters they


understand times are tough and they will try to convince critics I have


a credible plan for the economy. George Osborne as likely to


announce more growth measures tomorrow but there will be no


deviation from his plan to do with the deficit. That deal with the


deficit. A leading charity says there has


been a surge in the number of people who can't afford basic foods.


FareShare, which distributes surplus food from supermarkets and


manufacturers, says it's facing an unprecedented demand from families


struggling to cope with rising prices. Andy Moore has the details.


The charity FareShare takes surplus food from the retail industry and


gives it to the charities that needed to like homeless hostels,


day centres and women's refuges. It's not giving it individual food


parcels but is responsible for providing millions of meals a year


to those who need them and that demand is increasing. Their food


reaches 35,000 people every day from 29,500 a year ago. Almost two


I took three of their clients have gone without a proper meal for a


police today in the last year and yet they are disputing only 1% of


Britain's food surplus. The vast majority is going to waste. That's


why the charity is calling on the food industry to do more to help.


It says it is immoral that people are going to bed hungry when


thousands of tons of food a day is just being thrown away. The number


of charities FareShare helps is growing all the time, up from 600


to 700 this year. Those charities are facing an increasing demand for


basic food needs and, at the same time, a reduction in their funding.


Red Cross officials in Libya say the humanitarian situation


situation in Colonel Gaddafi's home-town of Sirte has become dire.


Sirte is under siege from forces loyal to the National Transitional


Council. A medical team that reached a hospital there yesterday


said there was almost no medicine, food or water.


700 demonstrators have been arrested in New York as they tried


to block the Brooklyn Bridge as part of a protest against Wall


Street. The activists halted traffic for several hours. They


were part of a larger group crossing the bridge from Manhattan,


where they have been camped out near Wall Street for two weeks.


Welcome to Manchester and the Conservative party conference,


where there is a slight retro feel. Economic troubles, arguments over


Europe and, this morning, a Tory Prime Minister offering council


house residents the right to buy. So who better to go back to the


future this morning than two veterans of political punditry?


Polly Toynbee of the Guardian. And Benedict Brogan of the Daily


Telegraph. Maybe you're both too young to be called veterans. The


interesting thing we saw this morning was the David Cameron


interview with the Sunday Times where he seemed to be apologising


to women. Has he got women troubles? Yes, profound ones. I'm


not sure they made sexist jokes in the Commons. The trouble is it


reflects what's happening. Women and children have been hit hardest


by a cut after cut after cut, particularly childcare credits,


paying more for child care. 600 women a week are now leaving their


jobs because they can't afford child care. The costs have gone up


and I think these are Exocet right into the heart of how women feel


they are suffering the most. Do you think there is polling in the toe


ring -- and the Tory party that suggests they have a problem with


women voters? Conservatives rely on them but Number Ten has found


lately focus groups are telling them that women are going off the


Conservatives and David Cameron, so expect to see a lot to soften the


image and message. He's also got a problem with Margaret Thatcher, her


shadow looming over him in his party. People which he was more


conservative inside the coalition. That is the other woman problem he


has got. Is there a dissatisfaction, do you think, amongst the grass


roots here, that what they are getting is too much of the


coalition view that not enough of the Conservative you? There is the


basic Conservative complaint which has that they wished this was a


more conservative government and they will wish they had the


majority in could do more and they say though Lib Dem tail is wagging


the Conservative dog. David Cameron will say that this is pushing


through Conservative policies. But that perception persists here.


There are 120 Euro rebels for instance whereas when John Major


talked about his baskets, they run a 22. The new intake appears to be


on the right side of the party. you think that will cause him


problems this week? I think so. I think there is a sense that the


party is going in the wrong direction, they want to push it in


another direction. Much resentment of the Lib Dems to fight tooth and


claw in each consistency. I think Polly is wrong on the Europe


question. William Hague and David Cameron in the interviews this


morning appeared to be relaxed about the fact there would be a


boat in the Commons on the EU, and a lot of their MPs are causing


trouble in Europe. The pressure is on but in the end, it won't lead to


the kind of trouble John Major had. Both of you, for the moment, thank


you very much. Now David Cameron's had a pretty good year. He's got


more councillors than he had 12 months ago. He won a thumping


victory in the AV referendum. And was mobbed as a liberator on the


streets of Benghazi. But, despite all that, his party is not an


entirely happy one. For many, the price in Tory policies and Tory


principles of coalition has been too high and the economy remains


nothing to celebrate. In a moment we'll speak to Tory Chairman


Baroness Warsi. But first a guide football, raving and music. Will


the Tory grassroots be mad for it? Well, they are certainly happy


about Ed Miliband's rocky week in Liverpool. But the Lib Dem


coalition is wearing thin for many. They said the Lib Dems are bad too


much influence over Europe, health and taxation. As if that wasn't


enough, they had to put up with this. We fought against the bankers,


the populism of Tories after the riots. What I will not do is


provide cover for the ideological descendants of those who once sent


children up chimneys. And let that be a warning to the Conservative


right. We need no tea-party tendencies in Britain. And no


dealing with a depth it has helped the coalition so far. The economy


could yet tear them apart again as Tory frustration grows that the


Government are not cutting business taxes and tackling the duration --


tackling regulation. With me now is Baroness Warsi. Welcome. Would you


say you're happy party at the moment? Yes, it's more united than


it's been for a long time. We have a broad range of views. They have


to make sure that not only do we present a vision of what the party


stands for but the party internally as a debate. For the first time


after many years, we are having an open Conservative Policy Forum


debate where no questions are off the agenda. Isn't there a


fundamental dissatisfaction, at the link up Lib Dems on influencing the


coalition? Some people would say we're not doing enough, some people


who would say we are going to find that the broad basis of what the


Conservative Party is about. But I'm very clear what we're doing in


government. We are acting in the national interest, making tough


decisions and we are making them based upon manifesto commitment


that we fought for before the general election. The Human Rights


Act. Theresa May says to scuppered. Nick Clegg assets to keep it.


is a commission and then we will have a debate. If you're suggesting


something as serious at the Human Rights Act should be something we


should discuss and move on, it's wrong. Theresa May sounds like she


has done just that. That's why we need a commission because we have


different people with different views, which need to be fed in.


you putting Theresa May in a box? I'm not doing anything of the sort.


We have some fantastically established and learned brains who


are going to discuss and debate this. Its white a country should


feel that decisions it needs to take in the interest of its


security should be able to make those decisions without feeling


that they are being dealt with on high by somebody else. Another aim,


you said you would repatriate powers from the European Union. Can


you name one you have a repatriated? We said any further


powers which go to Europe will be subjected to a referendum and we


would use opportunities to try to win those powers back. Any yet?


This will be part of a process. That is what the Conservative view


is. We feel too many powers have been given to Europe. Everyone


would say three cheers to that, but what have you won back? One thing


we have been discussing, for example, is when the Prime Minister


went to Europe and said that it can't be the case that when a


country at home it is making cuts in its budget, Europe continues to


say, increase our budget. It was right for the Prime Minister. The


first time for a British prime minister to go out there and say


that. We had Labour members of the European Parliament voting against


Alan national interests. Planning on the green belt. Are you in tune


there? We are Clare with a green agenda. It's something which has


been part of what we believe in as Conservatives -- clear. Are you in


tune with your grass roots? Yes, if you look at the announcement made


yesterday, about housing being built on brownfield sites, empty


offices, on the Government... could quote you endless letters


about it pulls up. I would still struggle to come up with something


as utterly biased and facile as the National Policy Network, this


letter says. Our children will cursors it our countryside is


spoiled for short-term advantage. - - curse us. It goes on.


completely agree, we should preserve the countryside for our


children. But what we do need it is a reform in the planning system. We


can't carry on in a system which takes years to get off the ground,


to have an infrastructure project, which creates a situation under the


last government, where we did not build houses, people could not get


onto the housing ladder and its white the Government invests in


housebuilding. Why do you think you're grassroots are so


dissatisfied? I don't think they are. There are people in the party


who have different views. I welcome that pulls up a robust party which


engages with itself than challenges itself, is a good thing. I can tell


you, as party chairman, and I go out and speak to people, and I


campaign up and down the country, I know there is one thing this party


is united about, that whatever they think in relation to their own


political views, they feel about a secondary to what is in the


interests of the country. And making sure that is what we might,


by doing the right thing by the A survey on Conservative Home van


TUPE at least popular minister in the Cabinet. -- Found You the least


popular minister in the Cabinet. Why is that? This is not me, it is


about us as a party saying that these are difficult times. Of


course, in the country, there are families facing hard choices, and


we shouldn't do... Is that because they have not seen you fighting the


good fight? During the phone hacking scandal, we never saw you


defending the government? During the riots, after the riots, we did


that see you. You have been slightly invisible, other people


have been the voice of the Conservative Party. My job is very


simple. It is to make sure we steer a steady ship and win elections.


What are the two big collections over the last 12 months? The AV


referendum, the mother of all elections, we cut the mother of all


results. The local elections, where every pundit and every commentator


said we would lose 1,000 seats, but we gained seats. We gained


councillors, we won across the country, and that is what I was


doing, going out, campaigning, working with activists and making


sure we are putting Conservative principles on the doorstep. That is


my job. Ben. Your job is to sell the new, compassionate Conservative


Party, yet when you hear Francis Maude describing the National Trust


in a way that he did, does it make your job more difficult? It is the


job of every one officers Conservatives to go out and sell


the Conservative message. It is important that we are frank and


honest about we feel these things are. Francis Maude has a view, and


he will express it in a way that he wants to. My job is to make sure


that I lead a united party, that I lead a strong party and we strongly


Gazza and fight elections. Why do we fight elections? Not just


because we want to win, but if we believe in the party that we are


today, we can only put those principles into action if we are


winning. You sound as if you are from another planet. People are


really suffering, they are losing jobs, they are losing money,


households are cut by about 7% in real spending power, inflation is


soaring, people are anxious and worried. Women have turned against


the Conservatives because it is they and children who have been hit


over and over again, and it is sound complacent, and I worry that


this conference just does not get it about how great the crisis is


and that the economic policy is not working. The deficit is rising, not


falling, due to George Osborne's policies. People are worried, they


are making difficult choices, but if you ask each and every one of


those people that you're making these difficult choices, if you had


a choice, would you go for the good life now, or would you actually


have a stable and secular, prosperous future for your


children? You do not deal with a deficit, Polly, by saying, let's


borrow a bit more money that we do not have had spent a bit more money.


That is living on a different planet. We are going to talk about


the economic aspect of this, because it seems the government


does not have a coherent and credible plan for growth. Not my


words, not Ed Balls's, but those of the Treasury of the Select


Committee, Andrew Tyrie. The government says they have a plan


and they will explain more this week, but options can look limited.


So what can George Osborne of a conference tomorrow? Here is Max


Cotton that some ideas for the Chancellor.


You recognise the name of this country, this is the essay. It


stands for Birmingham Small Arms, and they used to make rather a bid


for motorbikes, but today they manufacture specialist machine


tools. -- beautiful motorbikes. A company that many thought of as


AdWords to the wall in the 1980s now apparently hold the key to our


economic recovery. -- that many of us thought had gone to the war.


There is an emphasis on building binges like this in the


manufacturing sector. But growth is slowing down, not speeding up, and


his is the biggest headache the government has got. The growth plan


was written down in March, and in March we had a reasonable degree of


confidence that growth in the economy, in 2011 and 2012, would be


stronger than it now turns out to be given the worldwide slowdown. So


we do not want government to change the plan, we want government to


accelerate the plan. The CBI wants plan any, but plus, which means it


will deliver more in the short term. Growth is going to come from


companies like this, small and medium-sized enterprises make up


80% of Britain's private sector. Now, the government are trying to


stimulate growth. They provide tax breaks, they produce business rates


-- reduce business rates and cut Corporation Tax. They have


increased funding for things like apprenticeships. But for many


companies like this, it is still not quite enough. Here they have a


chronic skills shortage, and they also spend a huge amount of time


and money complying with government regulation. We have got the skills


in this country, and we must continue to generate them. Steve is


managing director of BSA Machine Tools. If you take a ten-man band,


the SNA, we are talking skill base, if you, for example, with parental


leave, suddenly had one of the individuals, an engineer turning up


wanting to take three months off, that could actually put that


company down. Now, that is not the intention, so we do have to look at


what regulation is doing. Red tape is something that the government is


committed to reducing, but apparently it is not happening fast


enough. The government has 80 policy, that for every new


regulation that is introduced, one must be taken off the books. -- a


key policy. They are taking them off by the end of the parliament,


but that is three years away. At the moment, the economy has more


regulation than at the start of this government. There are


Conservatives who are getting fidgety about his lack of progress.


This is Bridgwater in the West Country. It has a manufacturing


base, too, and it as a right-of- centre Tory MP blames the Liberal


Democrat for holding back his party's efforts to stimulate growth.


You do not actually have a Conservative government. We have a


coalition government, and that has been my frustration from day one.


Liberals are big government, big bureaucracy, they love paperwork,


whereas the Conservatives are the opposite, small government, lean


government, less regulation. I think that is exactly where we have


this dichotomy, and this battle will continue as long as the


coalition does. But according to this former Conservative trade


minister, when it comes to tackling regulation, it is not just the Lib


Dems that are the problem. regulation, everybody agrees that


it has risen massively and that there is too much of it. A lot of


it is now a EU driven. We are constrained by the EU, particularly


if the government is not prepared to stand up to the EU and say, we


need to reduce this. But you can take a regulation like money-


laundering, EU and global, and say that we will do it in a more


sensible way. These concerns are shared by the Tory rank and file. A


survey of party members conducted for the Politics Show asked what


measures the Chancellor should announce this week to boost


economic growth. They favour three policies. At number three, cut


business taxes. No. Two, opt-out of EU regulations. Number one, cut red


tape. BSA Machine Tools in the West Midlands needs a flow of credit,


like every other company, but banks, as we all know, still have that


have firmly turned off. This company effectively borrowed from


its staff and its customers to stay competitive last year. I think we


do need to stimulate growth more, and number one for me would be to


create three new banks out of the assets and liabilities in UK


banking that the state already owns, raised serious sums of money from


the private sector so that he would have a war-chest of money available


to lend for people who wanted to back these and projects and


businesses that needed money to expand. -- back decent projects.


The Chancellor stands up tomorrow at the Conservative conference.


British business and party activists are waiting for something


new and radical to stimulate growth. Over to you, George.


That was Max Cotton reporting. Can you name me one good economic


indicator at the moment? Yes, that we have got the second strongest


growth rate in the G7. It is not a great growth rate, but it is still


the second strongest. It is being downgraded. That is actually the


picture that we need to look at. Look, of course things are


difficult in this country, if you look at what is happening around


the world, if you look at the US market, which is completely


stagnating, the crisis in the eurozone, we have got headwinds at


tail winds being thrown at his country, but what we do have in


this country is a sense of a safe haven, a stability that has been


created because of the plan that the government has in place. You do


not have a coherent and credible plan for the economic growth rate


of the UK economy, Quote unquote, Andrew Tyrie, treasury secretary


chairman. Andrew has got great experience on some of these matters,


and it is right that he raises some of these issues, but I disagree


because I think first of all having a plan to deal with the deficit is


essential to get the stability, and then we have to have a clear growth


plan, and from what we have already announced, whether support for the


regional growth runs... He says the plan is incoherent and inconsistent.


Let me tell you what we are doing. We have a clear privatisation of


capital projects, so right here in Manchester we have made sure we are


putting money into the Piccadilly to Oxford line that will create


jobs, that will create enterprise in the local area. The local


enterprise partnerships, the money going in to businesses, if you


start a business in the regions, we will not charge in national


insurance for the first number of employees to take on. It is about


investing in scale, putting in more apprenticeships, going out and say


we are open for business. Time after time, you are seen as


governments try to do all it can to unblock that potential assets,


let's try and help growth. promised the bonfire of red tape,


and people are still seeing regulation. In that survey, that


poll, people feel that you have not done that, that there is still too


much regulation and that you should be cutting even more force that we


should be. There are two types of regulation. Effectively, you have


got two bits of regulation. You have got regulation that is


British-made, what we pass in Parliament and put on our


businesses. The advent of regulation that comes out of Europe,


and that is much harder to control because of the agreements we have


entered into. -- you have then got regulation. What we have managed to


achieve as a government is that the regulation that is put on by us as


a country has slowed down and actually plateau it. We have got a


very clear policy in government. What David Cameron has said to


ministers, if you want regulation, you must tender one up. It is one


in, one out. For the first time, we are beginning to put a brake on the


amount of regulation and red tape that surrounds businesses.


other thing people say is that not just cutting red tape, you should


be cutting spending even more than you are doing it you want to


regenerate. Do you think George Osborne is going far enough? Some


give of think we are cutting too far, some say we have not cut far


enough. It is a plan that has got international credibility, and we


are sticking to it. One other question I want to ask you, Ed


Miliband got into a spot of bother when he was asked the other day


whether he could name the candidates for the Labour


leadership. Can you name the candidates for the Tory leadership?


Yes, I can! Do you want them? OK,, we have got Murdo Fraser, Carla


Jackson, we have got Ruth Davidson, who was fantastic in Glasgow, I


have campaigned with or, and we have got Margaret, our 4th


candidate, who has just declared. Full marks on that one! There are


people applauding in the background, the Tory faithful. We are a party


for all the nation, including the Scottish party, and so I should


know what is happening, and so should he. On the Liberal Democrats,


the insults that were held in York general direction, the descendants


of people who send people up chimneys, the Tea Party movement,


what did you make of that? thought you go and talk about the


insults in the AV referendum. can add that to the pile. It was


the Liberal Party conference, and they had to play to their party.


You know, you saw Labour claimed to their party last week. This week it


will be different, we will be saying to the country, these are


serious times, we are showing you some clear leadership, and we are


building for a better future. That means putting party politics aside.


It is how we started out this Government. Do you like the Liberal


Democrats? I love working with them, I have made some great friends. Do


I agree with their policies? No, I don't. I am chairman of the


Conservative Party, and however much I have enjoyed working with


them, and I am proud of the coalition we are in, but at the


next general election I will be making sure that we are fighting


for a Conservative majority How can you do that you can't talk


about tax cuts? The Conservative Party is not just about tax cuts.


The compassionate Conservative Party I have been involved in talks


about making sure those who have the broad shoulders to bear the


greatest burden. It's about saying kids from deprived backgrounds


should have the biggest support when they start out in life. It's


about giving a sense of opportunity for every child, whatever


background, we are not a party obsessed with taxation. Of course


we support Business and a low-tax economy always helps enterprise,


but there are serious issues for us to do it as a country, and you're


getting to grips with those for I think a lot of people listening to


you today will say they don't seem to get it. Everything is fine,


steady-as-she-goes, but it's not working. The deficit is rising, not


falling. If you could say it is very tough now but the deficit is


falling, we've had a big devaluation, a balance of trade,


there are no economic indicators which show that things are going


right. A lot of people listening to you today, with all due respect,


will be thinking, if the only answer that they have to this debt


crisis is to say let's borrow a bit more and get into a bit more of a


mess, they will say thank God the Government has changed. That's not


what Matt Roberts said. Thank God the Government has changed and for


the future of our country and our children, but they are taking


control for a better future. Thank you very much for that. So, we've


heard today about plans to reinvigorate the right to buy in


part to help boost the economy. Labour opposed it in the 80s. Will


they back it today? We're joined now from Southampton by the Shadow


Business Secretary John Denham. Welcome to you. Do you support the


plans? Well, we did keep the right to buy in place when we were in


government but we kept a balance so the discount wasn't so high that we


lost too many homes that we couldn't replace and the critical


questions here are going to be whether, if you change the system,


we actually increase the number of homes for people who otherwise


won't have anywhere else to live, and I am sceptical about what I


hear so far. A bigger priority for me would be to put up the tax on


bank bonuses and put that money into building social housing which


is needed today for people who can't get anywhere to live and


would help to create jobs and boost the economy. What about the policy


that you will not be able to take an unfair dismissal case against an


employer if you haven't worked for them for two years? At the moment,


it is for one year. I think, I don't see the pressing need to make


life worse for people who work in that way but let me tell you this,


the Government to sell things that will make 3,000 cases different in


a whole year. If anybody wants to tell me or you that growth in this


country is being held back massively by 3,000 a tribunal cases,


I think they are wrong. Secondly, there are huge frustrations a month


employees about the way tribunal's work. Let me just introduce... You


said you don't see a pressing need for this to change. Is under


government seeing the pressing need of employers? -- isn't the


Government's seeing the pressing need of employers? Yes, each yeah


cases in tribunals cost employers a lot of money when there's no


grounding -- each year. We have to sort out the weather tribunal


system operates, make sure people can't make cases last for ages and


ages and ages, and make sure tribunals are not dropped because


listings have gone wrong. Then we can sort out the legitimate


grievances between employees and employers. The Government would


argue that what they're trying to do is to change something


fundamental on the supply a site. The regulation, cutting corporate


tax. Are there any of those that you agree with? Last year planning


laws were changed. Today we have 200,000 less planning permissions


for homes in this country than a year ago. If they had not done that,


they wouldn't have made the situation work. For all the bluster


we have had to about planning, it's now in chaos, and they are locked


into an increasingly abusive debate with a National Trust about


building on good countryside when a year ago, they had 200,000 more


planning applications on brownfield sites. Nothing they can do well


change the deficit. They are cutting the deficit to fast and


it's harming economic growth which is why we had the lowest of any G7


country last year, apart from Japan. Get that right, cut to VAT, put a


tax on bank bonuses, encourage businesses to cut national


insurance, and we will get back on track. Thank you very much. In a


moment I'll be talking to three Conservative MPs about their hopes


for the week ahead. But first it's We are in Manchester for the


Conservative Party conference and we start today wandering about the


Olympics next year and how London's transport system and day-to-day


business will cope with the influx of millions of visitors. It is


worrying Transport bosses themselves which is why they are


raising awareness to get people to There are now less than 300 days to


go until the Olympics begins for that when they do, the capital


could prove to be absolutely manic. Organisers say they're expecting


5.3 million extra visitors in London during the Games. They won't


all be here at the same time for that us roughly equivalent to the


capital's population doubling for the if you thought this was a busy


city, difficult to get around, during the Games, Transport bosses


think they will need is to make 30% fewer journeys in central London


and we normally would, because at certain points in certain places,


it's going to be even more pronounced balls of Canary Wharf


will need to see a 60% reduction in abnormal trouble. London Bridge can


be busy at the best of time. Transport for London say during the


Games, there could be accused of three hours just to get into the


station. Transport for London are so concerned about pinch points,


they want a loan but organisers to sell fewer tickets to the


equestrian events at Greenwich. The Olympic route network, 109 miles of


road to get people to and from the game's quicker. Traffic lights will


stay on green for longer and turning them on and off will be


restricted but on other roads things will not move so smoothly.


Official documents marked out the disruption TfL are expecting. Some


journeys are expected to double on some routes for for so, will London


grind to a halt? Not if they plan ahead according to Transport for


London. We are confident we will achieve the reductions we need in


transport demand this summer. We have a programme working for


businesses across London to encourage them to speak to us so we


can give advice on what they can do differently. Is it getting through


to businesses? We decided to conduct a straw poll in London


Bridge? Of the 25 we spoke to, none said they had any contact with


anybody. We've had no Correspondent at all. Eight at a 25 businesses


thought they would change their working practices because of


trouble -- trouble at the game's up I am quite quickly, because we are


small, we can manage with what ever comes at short notice. London's


local authorities say they yet to be convinced that the targets can


be met. You can say the 60% figure is realistic and we need to see it


written down plan. Or you could say this is a bit like Josef Stalin's


Planner, which may or may not happen. It's a very ambitious


target. We need to test that. If that's the case, what are the steps


we need to take to achieve that reduction? Organisers will be


hoping the message does get through that we are going to have to travel


differently. I'm joined by a transport minister


and MP for Chipping Barnet. Art TfL right to be worried about how


London is going to come through this? They are absolutely focused


on keeping London moving during what is going to be the biggest


event ever hosted in this country. It's going to be fabulous for the


capital, for the economy, leave a lasting benefit for the transport


system, but it will mean it disruption and pressure on the


transport system, which is why the mayor is working hard to engage


with businesses, to help people to minimise the disruption they are


going to experience during the Games. Is this a bit late? Are you


worried about the timescale? Our straw poll, 25 businesses in London


Bridge, one of the busy hubs, don't know of any kind of plans and what


they're supposed to do during the Games? Employers with staff between


them of around half a million, are already actively engaging with a


TfL on this programme. Yes, there is more to do, in particular the


pokers is going to be on smaller businesses and engaging with the


general public -- focus. A lot of work has been done. There is a


positive response from the businesses. TfL and the mayor will


give more information. And big transparent about where the hot


spots are. It won't be the whole of the capital affected. We need to


get over to people like London Bridge and the Bank are going to be


extremely busy during the Games. If they can change their routine and


avoid those hot spots, it will be good for them and good for the


Games and the capital. What would you like to see businesses doing?


We are asking businesses to consider what their staff, options


of working at home, more flexible working so people are travelling


off peak, also recruiting, choosing a different route on their way to


work if their normal one clashes with the place which is going to be


very crowded as a result of Olympic traffic. Other Olympic cities have


managed to do this. A pilot was run over the summer and we were able to


carry out the same work as normal and yet, 69% of the journeys by


staff, were altered in some way and diverted. Do you accept some


businesses will lose money during the Games? I think it a tremendous


opportunity for business are to have a boost from this and with


careful planning, it's possible. terms of what people are buying?


Absolutely. Clearly with the world's eyes on London, there will


be tremendous opportunities for people in terms of tourism, hotels,


all these sorts of things. chartered surveyors company in


bank? If they plan ahead it's perfectly possible for them to


carry on their businesses in more or less the same way they always do


but it requires thought, and other Olympic cities like Sydney have


managed to do it and it has had a long-term effect. A always hear


from you guys about the economic costs of strikes on the Tube when


people strike. If journeys are much longer and journey times could


double, it could lead to more congestion. It could lead to a loss


to the economy in London. Overall, London will benefit. Absolutely,


but there will be a downward effect on some businesses from greater


journey times etc? Remember, the disruption will only be for a few


weeks, whereas the legacy and improvements to the Jubilee line,


the DLR, the way traffic signals work in London, that will leave a


lasting legacy which would boost our economy in the capital. What


about Greenwich and equestrian events? TfL are worried they might


sell too many tickets and too many people might go to Greenwich for


equestrian events. Where do you stand on this? We have got to get


the balance right. I know there is ongoing discussions about that and


more work to be done but we are determined to get the balance right


so we have a successful games. But we also find a way to keep London


moving, which is why the process of engagement with businesses is so


important in the next few weeks. You think things are on track? Have


a businesses responded to these warnings earlier and that all do


TfL have a job to get his message out? TfL Dunbar so far but they are


well aware more needs to be done. That TfL have done well so far.


They need a broader message from the bigger businesses it's focused


on, in the early stages, to smaller businesses and of course it's very


important to ensure people accept freight in London and colour that


their plans so we can keep freight A couple of other things while we


have got you, are you doing anything about putting services


back into areas like Denmark Hill, south-east London? He was the mayor


who took that decision, and we are looking at various options that


might involve changes to services elsewhere. Haven't made a decision


yet? Those decisions have not yet been made. Turning to motorways,


are you someone that routinely or sometimes find yourself driving at


80 mph? Well, I tried to stick to the speed limit, I have is a poor


start I think we all do, yes. But it is time that we refreshed our


thinking on the speed limits. The speed limits were set for the end -


- 40 years ago, when technology was very different. Do you feel


comfortable at 80 mph? What we are looking at, what we have announced


his we think it is high time that we look at the limits on motorways


and took a rational judgment on what is an appropriate, modern


speed limit. Some figures suggest it would only lead to a 1% increase


in deaths. You know how many more injuries and 80 mph speed limit


would cause? We have made very clear that we are going to be


consulting on this proposal. You do not know yet, then? A There has


been analysis of these figures, as the Secretary of State said on


Thursday when this was announced. But we will be looking with care at


all the arguments. We think there is a case for moving to an 80 mph


limit. We think it is perfectly possible to do that. We can still


ensure high standards of road safety on our motorways. Car


technology is so much more advanced than when the 70 mph limit was


first set. The story of the day, was David Cameron right to


apologise to women? Did he get that wrong in some of the Commons he has


made? Do think he came across as chauvinistic? I know some of those


comments were controversial, and he has always been the sort of person,


Mickey thinks something has been done wrong in the wrong way, he is


only too happy to accept that. -- if he thinks. It is important that


as a government, we do all we can to engage with women voters, to


ensure that the decisions we take... So was he right to make it clear


that some of his comments were ill judged? Did you find them ill-


judged at the time? The important thing is to make sure that the


tough decisions that we take as a government and have detected deal


with the deficit, that we think through their impact on all


sections our society. The Prime Minister is determined to do that.


He has made it very clear that he believes that the support of women


and the concerns of women are very important to the coalition. And I


think the debate around what he might or might not have said at


Prime Minister's Questions is a bit of a sideshow, really. The


important thing is the commission is taking the tough decisions to


put the economy back on track. Because it is a sideshow, we will


move on. Thank you for coming in. The government proposals to relax


planning laws have been causing anxiety in the shires, but what


were they mean for the capital? Not known for its green belt but with


plenty of green space none the less, we will at one of the ministers


involved after this from Jennifer Conway. -- Ask.


Across parts of London, you do not have to look very far to see new


buildings springing up, but to decide what can be built and where?


-- Who decides? In some cases, neighbourhood planning teams


influence what happens in their local area. This will become part


of the local council's planning policy. In the capital, we have an


extra layer with the regional policy, the London plan. The new


national planning proposals came out over the summer. Critics are


worried that developers are being handed to much freedom to build on


London's already scarce green spaces. At the moment there is a


very clear brownfield first policy, saying that developers need to look


at brownfield sites before they proposed green field development.


Now, that has gone in the new framework. Areas like Kings Cross


are being developed because of the successes of our current planning


rules. In London, there are over 2000 brownfield plots, areas of


land that have already been developed before. Building on the


site has regenerated previously wasted land such as the Docklands


Some say these new planning proposals but economic growth first,


and despite streamlining regulations, more development is


not a certainty. The question is how much is the planning system the


problem, and how much is the lack of money for housebuilders and


industries to build? There are huge amounts of land available for


housebuilders to start building on straight away, tomorrow, but they


are not building because of economic problems and not because


of problems with the planning system. With no mention of London's


planning policy in a new framework, it remains unclear how these


proposals will work in the capital. Jennifer Conway reporting there. It


remains unclear, but Grant Shapps, Housing Minister, is with us now,


and you may be able to clarify this. Where does London fit in? It has


its own London Plan. That is right. It does not get any mention in here,


how is it going to affect London? Just to explain to viewers,


planning regulations in this country are a nightmare. Anyone who


has applied for planning permission will no that it is complex,


bureaucratic, full of red tape, time consuming. -- will know. We


are boiling it down to a 50 two- page document which actually makes


sense, it is no longer contradictory. -- 52-page. It is a


framework, rather than... If you have 6,000 pages of planning


guidance, of course you are going to go into every nook and cranny.


If it is only 52 pages, there are lots of things we do not go into in


detail, because we want the local authorities to set the ground rules


for London. Boris has been doing that in London with housing. Does


the London Plan, as dance, that will remain? It is not having any


impact. If anything, it means that the mayor gets more flexibility,


the London Plan, working with the virus, gets to be implemented. --


boroughs. The two documents are complementary in that sense. Boris


has pledged to get affordable homes built. One year later than he first


promised. I disappointed the pledge has lived? You get the blame if he


does not hit his target. I do not think anyone would have guessed


what was going to happen in the economy, and it has been tougher


than anyone possibly could imagine back in the days when the plans


were put in place. He tells me that he is likely to get there. I have


looked at his numbers, and my view, I will put it on record, is that is


probably going to exceed it, but we will see by next year. Getting back


to the issue of... If you are saying they complement each other,


some of the principles in the London Plan are broadly what you


want to see come in nationwide. What we want to see happen is that


areas are able to develop policies which work for that area. Now,


London is, if you like, a pro- growth area. We have got the city,


the incredible engine of the economy. We want London to be able


to excel. I want the planning framework to allow London the


freedom to do that. We have got lots of green spaces, and we know


the playing Fields Association are worried this will enable people to


build on playing fields. So a guarantee that there will be no


loss of playing fields under a Conservative mayor or a


Conservative minister by 2015. be clear about it, the national


framework that we are talking about, is 52 page document, does not make


this any more likely. In fact, it includes key protections for green


space, green belt, as you say, which in outer London may come into


effect, but none the less green spaces, playing fields, they are


properly protected, as they should be. We are the government who have


scrapped the garden grabbing clauses in planning which were


causing all those gardens to be built over. We have got rid of that


as well. The protection is there. Why does this help or push people


to develop more and build more houses in a place like London,


where we still have huge areas of brownfield sites and they are not


being built and? That is because of lack of government investment,


isn't it? First of all, you are right that brownfield sites are


used, they should be used first, and were giving flexibility to


local authorities. People have said, You are scrapping the targets, but


we are giving power to local authorities to raise the targets


for building on brownfield first. The Prime Minister has been talking


about bringing back the right to buy in a big way. Everybody who


buys a house under the new 21st century right to buy, will get that


money and will use it to build another affordable home to rent.


This is a new policy. You do not think the enthusiasm with which a


Conservative government sold houses has been the origin of a problem we


have never recovered from? That is why you have to be 37 before you


buy a home now. You have to be 30 to remember Thatcher bringing in


the right to buy, it is a 30-year- old policy. I would say that it was


an incredible policy at giving people the right to roam their own


home. It took some of the most hard-working people in the country


and gave them a chance. Actually, the money was not recycled into by


more affordable homes, and nor was it under the last government either.


What we are announcing today is a reinvigorated right to buy with all


the money being taken and invested in rebuilding new affordable homes


for rent. We know the farce that the planning framework has caused


in the shires, at the concerns, Francis Maude describing it as


something we cannot repeat, colourful language. Very quickly,


what are you telling the people of your constituency, Welwyn and


Hatfield, economics must win over the environment? No, my area has


been one of the third fastest growing areas in the country for


housing, but what we did not like was been told by government, this


is the target, these are the number of homes you will build. This new


framework is to say, look, local area, you know what is right in


judging growth, and we will leave it to you. It has been less


controversial end my career as a result. We will see what the people


of Welwyn and Hatfield think of it. The consultation ends later this


The growth, Europe, planning rules, sexism, human rights, how to make


sense of it all. I'm joined by two of the brightest young things from


the back benches, and a little older but no less exciting, Brian


Binley MP. Hello to you. You are very kind. You have a book coming


out, the future of Conservatism. have got 26 people who have


contributed to the book, but it is not a broadside, it is a very real


support to conservatism. What we all want is a Conservative


government next time, and that is what we are looking for. What


should the Tories be doing that they are not doing at the moment?


We need a proper policy for growth, particularly for the SME sector,


and that means banks lending, wore encouragement on the demand side,


and there are things we can do. Secondly, we need to give first-


time housebuyers a real opportunity. I do not like talk that says that,


you know, a property owning democracy should not be part of the


game. I was delighted to hear David Cameron talk more about housing.


There are lots of things we can do, but we can also make sure the dog


is more in control of the tale. other words, the Liberal Democrats


are having too much say. I think they are wagging a little bit too


hard. I agree with Brian that we have to be focused on winning the


election in 2015. To me, the biggest job was dealing with the


deficit, and the last government gave us a great style deficit. This


government but in a plan which means we borrow at German levels.


That was one of the great benefits of a coalition, that we got both


parties to focus on that. There are policy disagreements, we are


furthest apart on Human Rights and Europe, but I think what we're


doing is working on conservative policies for the 2015 manifesto. I


think we will hear a lot about growth from the conference,


especially from the Chancellor tomorrow, and we have had a


dreadful headwind from the global economy, and it is time to get


Britain growing again. Look, the coalition is a joint venture. This


is not a merger or a takeover. In joint ventures, there is always


difficulties, but the main things... Do agree that the tail is wagging


the dog? No, I don't. If you think about the coalition agreement, Our


red line was deficit-reduction, and the Lib Dems went along with it.


The second red line for us was on dealing with tuition fees, very


important that we get education right, both for schools and


universities. They absolutely supported. There are lots of issues


that the Lib Dems have taken flak on that we have actually put


forward, but it is a coalition. What we have to remember is that we


did not win the election outright. Next time round, we want to win it


outright. Don't we see problems when Theresa May says that she


wants to get rid of the Human Rights Act and Nick Clegg says it


There will be areas where there is a conflict of political objective


between the members of the coalition. I understand that. I


think it was a price worth paying but, at the end of the day, I


believe most people out they genuinely want a government, a


Conservative government, which does what it says. I think there is an


element of the Liberal Party which is trying to stop us doing what we


say, and I want to change that at the next election. Do you think


David Cameron should be more robust now? I understand his difficulties,


genuinely understand them. Do you think you should be more robust


now? I'm coming back to your question but I think there will be


time to be more robust. I fear it, but I want to see it in action in


terms of legislating in the House. That's why I'm talking about the


growth agenda that really works, the housebuilding programme which


helps first-time buyers amongst many other things. The reality is,


you have hundreds more Conservative MPs than liberals. We have achieved


dozens of Conservative policies. I think all of us want this


government to last until 2015, so we can get the economy balanced and


the coalition ensures we do that. You may see ritual Liberal bashing


this week but ultimately, we have to get the coalition working until


2015. The attitude of the coalition towards women, and whether you are


somehow a sexist against women. David Cameron this morning in into


the apologised for that. I think was a feminine thing to do, in


contrast to the last government, when the Prime Minister never said


sorry for anything, including screwing up the economy. We went to


almost 50 a new female Conservative MPs at this election and have been


implementing policies. If you look at the policies, the public sector


pay freeze, for all but the lowest paid in the public sector, who are


usually women working part-time, that was deliberately designed to


help working women, so I think we have a communication problem. Where


was Yvette Cooper and the Labour Party at the abolition of the 10 p


tax rate which damaged women's economic prospects? Let's be proud


of what we're doing to help women. What do you want to see come out at


the end of this week? I think it's the economy. What I would like to


see his, what are the things you're going to do on the Budget, which


was delivered for the country, what are we going to do to get growth


back in the country. It's about leadership, not just political but


the business leadership. We have to go businesses are saying, before we


are going to do for our country. Thank you all and enjoy your time


in Manchester force of its good to have your Politics Show. And that's


it for this week. Thanks for being with us. Pienaar's politics will be


live from the conference bar tonight at 7:00pm on Radio Five


Live with an exclusive interview with Boris Johnson. And remember


the Daily Politics on BBC Two will bring you all the news from here at


the conference throughout next week. Until then, as Tory Cabinet


ministers and delegates prepare to address the Tory faithful, here's a


reminder of how it's done. Half of you won't be heard in 30 or


40 years' time -- here. The Lady's not for turning. He got on his bike


and looked for work and the captain looking until he found it. -- and


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