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Discarded food that could bring their dropping prices in the south-

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east. Why bankers may benefit from tax decisions at the cost of poorer

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1812 seconds

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Coming up in the next 20 minutes: the ugly foods that could slash

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supermarket prices. The supermarkets have these

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standards that go beyond what is required by law.

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Sue bankers be forced to pay tax on their bonuses -- should bankers.

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How job losses at a Kent business forced the Prime Minister into

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action. As rising food prices put a strain on the family budgets are

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supermarkets are doing all they can to keep prices down. Consumer

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groups say a lot of produce is wasted, and prices are higher

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because bigger retailers will not buy perfectly edible but slightly

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damaged or unusually shaped fruit and vegetables. These are not just

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fruit and vegetables, these are misshapen, ugly fruit and

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vegetables. Less than perfect wonky produce that you will not be that

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used to seeing, other than in funny photo competitions and the reason

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you will not be familiar with them is that supermarkets don't like to

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sell in perfect fruit and vegetables but if they did local

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farmers say they wouldn't have to throw our weight anywhere near as

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much of their produce. -- any when their -- throw away anywhere near.

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We had to decide because of the fickleness, and reliability, to

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reject a lot of waste which often was for come -- cosmetic problems

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and in some cases it could be above 50% waste. Here I have three

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organic cabbages. Let's put them on the scales, see whether they would

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meet the supermarket criteria. That one would be to light. That one

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fulfils the criteria. And would make it onto the shelves. This one

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is too heavy. Three cabbages that look pretty similar. Only one of

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those would be taken by the supermarket. That is right. A large

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proportion of the country's fruit and vegetables is grown in the

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south-east. A 10th of the UK's farms are here and three-quarters

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of the land is agricultural. If these farmers were not wasting so

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much of their produce it could even prevent food prices from continuing

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to rise. Supermarkets do not tend to stock ugly produce a per would

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consumers buy it if given the chance? I have got two carrots, and

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two pairs, one is the correct shape one is ugly, but they taste the

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same. Which of these would you be most likely to buy? That one.

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the other one was cheaper, would you be interested? I might be, it

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just looks funny. Sometimes you judge things by their shape when it

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is not important. A if we were 0 E -- more used is in the abnormal

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pair would we buy it? Yes, if there is not -- more information to know

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there was nothing wrong, of course I would buy it. I have never seen a

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purple carrot. Apparently it tastes just the same. If it was cheaper

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would you be tempted by it? I would give it a try. Is there a market

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for it? There might be. Especially in today's economic climate. What

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can be done to get a produce into the shops so farmers don't have to

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throw it away? Until 2009 there were strict European Union rules.

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They even specified what curve a cucumber should have. That ban was

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relaxed and at the time it was thought we would start to see him

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have it produced in our shops but with a couple of recent exceptions

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that has not been the case. things stand up the private

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standards of the supermarkets are far stricter than the European

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Union laws ever were, so even it is legally allowed to sell, at the

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moment we are not seeing them being sold because the supermarkets have

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the standards that go of way be and what is required by law. Some

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supermarkets have begun to act. He at Waitrose they have started

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selling a range of weather blemished apples, damaged by the

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frost earlier this year. They are selling them for a cheaper than

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their other apples. There are not many supermarkets who are happy to

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sell these imperfect foots. -- foods. When supermarket policies

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caused surprise to waste food instead of the supplier bearing the

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entire cost of that, that should be at least shared so that that they

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increase the incentive on the part of the supermarkets to reduce waste

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wherever possible. What we have at the moment is what the competition

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commission, when they investigated the supermarkets, called a moral

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hazard, the people causing the waste do not bear the cost of it

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and don't have the incentive. two-and-half years after the

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European Union will change but we are not really seeing any more and

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ever produced no shops. -- the rule change. To the supermarkets need to

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straighten out the rules and start selling wonky vegetables?

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Extraordinary parsnip. Joining me it is Richard Dodd from the British

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Retail Consortium. It is two years now since the regulations were

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relaxed, surely the rejection of so much perfectly edible food is not

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in the consumer's interest? There were a whole bunch of myths

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included in those claims. The first thing to note is that the farms and

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retailers are not by any means the biggest source of food waste.

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want to talk about the food you're not put it on the shelves and we

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would to know why you will not put it on the shelves as elegy? You

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heard the lady, she would buy it. The second point is supermarkets

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are by no means the only retailer, catering, food manufacturing are

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the other customers. If the supermarket doesn't buy a project

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it has to be thrown away, that is rubbish, there are other markets

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for that material. This whole notion I have been hearing that

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supermarkets are not stocking what used to be called Class 2 fruit and

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vegetables is rubbish. Going any supermarket tomorrow, or today, and

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have a look at what constitutes value ranges, what is on offer.

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Less than the premium product. acknowledge that. Are you

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discounted will go to the question, why don't you put more of it, all

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of it, why do reject any edible food? There is a mass of this kind

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of project -- product available add value prizes across a whole range

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of different retailers and to say anything else is wrong. Ultimately

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you have to be governed by what customers are prepared to buy.

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There is no point in supermarkets buying loads of these kind of

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things for farmers, putting them out and finding people will not buy

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them. A larger contradicting yourself, you're saying you are but

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a little out there and they knew I say you're not put in that there --

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at there because we wouldn't buy it. You can only put out as much as

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people are prepared to buy. And people will have seen advertising

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and promotions around all of this on the television, and elsewhere,

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supermarkets are working to educate customers to encourage them to buy

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this sort of produce. They certainly are doing. There is no

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point in putting it more than will be bought. You will end up throwing

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that away at the back of the store. Haven't you created and large troop

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perpetuating consumer expectation, you are the ones that could change

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it, why did you take responsibility? That is what is

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happening. That is the precise point are making, you will find

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lots of this proud Jews available, the prices are lower for it,

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especially marked up as being suitable for cooking, because it is

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not necessarily the best looking but still perfectly nutritious, and

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customers are mordant wit in these times were value matters more than

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it ever has done before. He took about great two feet. Was about 3,

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4, 5, what about getting it every one a real choice of the most weird

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and wonderful and damaged that is still nutritious? Customers have

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their own preferences about what they are prepared to buy a, there's

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no point putting stuff in stores people are not going to bite, but

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that doesn't mean it will go to waste on the farm. That is entirely

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wrong. A lot of the stuff that doesn't look good enough for

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customers to want to buy it in the store will end up for example in

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soups, pies, restaurants, schools, hospitals, part of the meals they

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sell, supermarkets are not the only customer for farmers produce.

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Pedigree much for joining us. With the government set to borrow

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billions this year and for many years to come the Chancellor's

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Autumn Statement included cuts to try out tax credits and a

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continuing pay squeeze in the public sector to help reduce

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borrowing. Some government critics have called for a tax on bank is

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bonuses as an alternative source of much needed revenue. Would a new

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bonus tax damage and industry that employs 800,000 people here in the

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south-east? Here with me in the studio are Mark Croft, the chief

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executive as Sussex Enterprise and Stuart Jeffrey, chair of the Kent

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Green Party. Why are you uncomfortable with back bonuses, it

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is just a commercial organisation rewarding its staff? For three key

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reasons, inequalities in this country are rising, they have

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written of the last 10 years, some of the highest in Europe. Paying

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the richest 1% even more money simply pushes those inequalities

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further and they are bad for society. Secondly, the banking

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crisis, the budget crisis, wasn't caused by overspending, a collapse

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in tax revenues, but we need to close that loop and there is �100

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billion worth of tax avoidance by the rich corporations. That needs

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to be addressed. Clearly we need to bring in more tax to ensure the

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government coffers can avoid the public services. We mustn't forget

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it was those greedy bankers, gambling recklessly with our

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economy, that has caused this. went to punish them, say you have

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got to share some of the pain and you will share it by a taxing our

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bonuses. They need to share in repaying the debt. Isn't that a

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strange way to run a tax system, in a public policy, based on

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punishment. It is a case of insuring the rich people pay their

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way in society. The poor cannot pay, they cannot bear this out. The rate

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haven't the money. -- they cannot bail us out. Does the banking

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sector recognise it needs to be seen to be punished in some way?

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think this concept of punishment is a bit daft. People that earned a

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lot of money already paid more tax as a percentage of their income

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than the average. What is wrong with that. The second thing is, yes,

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the banking system got it wrong for five years ago, let's find out, let

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hideaway of making it work to stimulate the business community

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because it is those businesses that generate the wealth, the jobs, that

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pay the tax, that pay for our public sector. A banking bonus

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targeted at individuals is probably not going to achieve very much,

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Alastair Darling... Last time they introduced it for a year under

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Labour, 2.3 billion. That is the equivalent of the entire budget for

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Kent County Council. That is not a paltry sum of money. Why introduce

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it aimed at individuals, were not aimed it at the banks themselves.

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We have got the bag levy. Where, have both? -- Bank levy. You'll go

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to raise money, but why not raise it across the board, widest pick on

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bankers? We had just been talking about the supermarket sector, chief

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executives earn whopping salaries and great bonuses, while we just

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talking about bank bonuses, where do we have a Taxol bonuses? Mark

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made the points that the rich get pay proportionally less, on income

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tax, possibly,... We're talking about their salaries and bonuses.

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We are talking about total wealth. The rich must be made to pay more

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tax, and yes, let's whiteness across wider sectors, no problem.

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The Green Party doesn't want to see bonuses paid that arrow in excess

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of any one worker's salary. No more bonus than save �15,000, 20 Gaza-

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bound, should be paid. The X this money should go back. -- excess

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money. What has been made of the fact top bankers might leave the

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country if they were only given �15,000 bonus, would that happen,

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is there any evidence to suggest if we do this people in the south-east

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will move to the forest? If we did was to it was suggested, yes, there

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would happen and very fast indeed. -- what he was suggesting. They

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wouldn't have to go very far to learnt that some are else. If we

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are talking about the current tax proposal on the table, we believe?

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Probably not in the short term, because most of them were born and

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brought up here, they don't want to move abroad. The reason why this

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was brought in under Labour was because what they wanted to do was

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get the banks to lend more to small and medium-size enterprises.

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Alastair Darling said it had no impact on that at all. It is a tax

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that has no point other than raising 2.3 billion. And punishing

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people. What about the Government's ongoing role? They could limit

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bonuses, particularly at the state- backed banks and they have talked

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about it. They could, they couldn't do it at the other banks unless

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they brought in primary legislation. Why would we limit the bonus

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structure in our largest companies? Why would you just pick on banks?

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My personal view is I don't think you should be targeting the richest

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people in society by adding even more on because they do well. It is

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those people that are creating the strategies that Orrell companies

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like Tesco, Sainsbury's, to make money and deploy it hundreds of

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thousands of people. -- and employee. We have got to generate

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jobs to do this out of this hole. - - to be ourselves. When the

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pharmaceutical giant Pfizer announced it was pulling out of

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Kent with a potential loss of thousands of jobs alarm bells went

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off in government. Science, especially the batik and dress-

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sense industry is seen as crucial to future economic success. --

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bioscience. How much of that money will come to the south-east?

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Explain to us the connection between this new money and Pfizer,

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is it because that is exactly where the money is there, because of what

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happened to Pfizer? The best way of putting it is the local crisis with

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Pfizer's withdrawal drew big government attention to a national

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problem. It is a national problem. Essentially, the bioscience and

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pharmaceutical industry employ thousands of people, with �50

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billion to the UK economy. In the last 10 years it has been in

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serious decline. We used to about 6% of all clinical trials in the

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world in the UK. In 2010 we and 81.4%. If this is one of the growth

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areas of the British economy, �180 million he is a laughably small

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amount, isn't it? In the terms of the pharmaceutical industry it is a

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drop in the ocean. It cost the big pharmaceutical company to bring one

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drug to do clinical trials and bring it to market. This is

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attempting to leave it a lot of investment with what is a very

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small sum of money. -- leverage. Could get an idea from the

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conception stage to the markets did. That is one of the things that

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government had to be. But it isn't for Kent, it is for the whole

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country. A for the whole country, the entire industry, and the start-

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up companies throughout the UK and there are plenty of other places in

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the UK where they will be start-up companies, universities, competing

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to get some of that. In Kent who are we competing with, where my the

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money and industry go. The industry has been going to India and China.

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In the UK there are other competitive areas, for example the

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Cambridge Science Park, and one in Scotland outside Dundee. They will

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want to compete hard for this cash. How does Kent make itself look like

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the right place for a growing industry, what can they do? It is

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very difficult. We have to acknowledge that if Pfizer were

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looking to locate in the UK today as it did 50 years ago he probably

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wouldn't come to sandwich, it isn't perfectly connected to markets, it

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is not perfectly connected to major hubs of population. It is close to

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good research university, the University of Kent, and that helps

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a great deal, but it will have to fight for every penny. It isn't the

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natural location. What is the natural location? Unless the

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government strategy and his liberalisation of links to NHS data

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to help drug companies rarely works, these jobs are going to India,

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China, to less intensely regulated areas where specialist expertise is

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cheaper to employ. Was all about hysteria? There was hysteria about

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access to our medical records, was that foolish? The notion the

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government has is it can open up NHS databases to research companies,

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drug companies, is a very good idea. Of course it is controversial

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because we have to make certain the data is anonymous. They can help it

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isn't the whole solution. This is a real battle and the world is not

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