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In the South. Forget hello, sailor - in Portsmouth, it's, here's your


P45. Job cuts come to the Royal Navy, and we look at the impact.


And reading the riot act isn't always easy - 50% of prisoners


can't read, so is it time for an education revolution in our


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Thank you, Jon. Hello and welcome to the part of the show especially


for us here in the South. My name's Danielle Glavin. On today's show -


reading the riot act, how better education in prison might have


stopped some of the summer's rioters re-offending.


And with the Navy sacking 5,000 staff over the next four years,


what does that mean for Portsmouth and the Navy as a whole?


But first, we're into the final week of the party conference season


and the Conservatives are gathering in Manchester. So it's time for the


final outing of our party animals survey, asking people if the


Conservatives were an animal, what I have got two Norfolk terriers and


they are feisty, sewn them. Rather large Persian cat. Dinosaur.


Sitting on a folded cushioned and no thought for what other people


got up to. A zebra, I do not know why. A lie in. I would say it must


have full, in charge, thrusting, powerful! -- masterful. They grab


everything for themselves and do not care about anybody else. A rat!


Animal? All politicians are very sneaky. Probably be a tiger. They


care for their own and look after their own. I would probably say a


sheep. They just follow everybody else. A Tigers stomach they are


roofless. -- a tiger, because they are roofless.


So, do the Conservatives have a tiger in their tank? Our political


editor, Peter Henley, is up there with them. How is the mood, Peter?


I do not think they would be too upset by some of those comparisons.


Nervous about the economy because that underpins so much of what any


government can do fighting to deal with the problems in the economy or


coming up with its own ideas. Some things like the 80 Malpas hour a


limit on the roads for the weekly bin collections might be a


distraction, but it is evidence of the ideas of a coalition taking a


concrete form and coming through. Some of those ideas are coming from


Nick Herbert, who is with me this morning. A busy conference for you?


A lot of meetings. Any more of those ideas he will come up with


like the 80 Malpas hour speed limit for the justice system of policing?


-- 80 miles per hour. We will have to see! I cannot tell you what is


coming up in the speeches, but our Policies have gone through


Parliament. Today, we have heard back Colonel Tim Collins, the


famous military leader, has said he is interested in standing in Kent,


and that is what we want, high- quality individuals to stand for


this job of holding the police to account and representing the


public's using the fight against crime. The other big issue over the


summer, the riots, which will have impacted on thinking over policing


and justice. Could there be more summary justice? Obviously, we saw


terrible things in the riots but good things also came out of it.


The criminal justice system responded very swiftly and today I


am arguing this principle of swift justice needs to be standard.


People need to get before the courts in matter -- in a matter of


hours and days and not the months in the existing system. I was after


a crime is committed you are putting them in front of a


magistrate? -- hours. This happened with the riots. We have video links


and police able to give evidence from stations, a defendant from


their prison cells. If we extend this technology and rethink the


mark -- rethink the role of magistrates, we can get swifter


justice. Your party has closed magistrate courts! Many were


operating at a very low rate of business and were not done enough


work. We do need to rethink justice and I want to say, can we resolve


things much more swiftly with a new form of neighbourhood justice


involving magistrates? They do not have to sit in court, they can sit


in community centres and we could then have a form of justice


involving restorative principles were victims are apologised to


cover offenders make amends and pay back to society and to the victim -


- where victims are apologised to buy it offenders. Penalty notices


and cautions were increased. But a lot of the time, these finds are


not paid in the first instance. -- these finds. We need a more swift


system. That put a burden on the police that you are cutting. I have


been asked to ask about the winter report and evidence supposedly from


offices his sake, I did not give ", things have been made up. --


officers who say. This is complete nonsense. The Independent reviewer


has said today that the names of people who gave evidence on the


back of the report does not indicate what they are said, they


are just people who were contacted. They are listed and was supplied by


the individuals or by that offices. Tom Winsor has said that is right.


I am happy with what he says. I do not know why it would be in


anybody's interest to name police officers who gave evidence when


that was not the case, this is complete nonsense. This is another


subject of determination in a tribunal and we will have to wait


and see what happened. The principle is we have to deal with


the deficit and save money. If the police spent �14 billion a year and


30,000 police officers are in backroom jobs and we can do better.


We can protect the front line and we are seeing that across the south


and it can happen in the rest of the country if savings are found in


the right place. Thank you for joining us, it will be interesting!


The Labour Party conference was interesting in different ways, this


is my look back. You need to be careful where you


sit at a Labour conference. Constituency delegates get their


own chair to be in the hall to vote. Roy Bailey, a former Commander of


Reading police, is a delegate for the first time but has been


attending for 10 years as a steward. The backbone of Conference


Organisation here. It is a good conference, upbeat. The leader's


speech yesterday was very well received and he performed much


better than I thought he would do so I am very encouraged. It was a


solid speech, inspirational, people like me need to be encouraged and


for me it was perfect. As a former policeman, you obviously listened


carefully to the crime debate, does it make you angry the numbers of


police there are being got rid of? I cannot convey my anger in a few


words. For cannot believe what the government are doing. Tory voters


are against the proposals, the cuts will cause horrendous damage.


Operational policing, community policing, morale singing, it does


not bear thinking about! -- morale lower. The arrival of the elephants


at Liverpool's Albert Dock. The White elegant of the note at HS2


campaign here to lobby the 10,000 visitors to the Labour Party


conference. -- of the note to the HS2. This comment is here to make


the case in person. They do not realise how up it will affect the


country's. The environmental costs. They do not know the details and


the facts so they think it is all right. We have to be here and tell


people what the problems are with it. There are plenty of chances to


influence policy makers here but visitors can get the other side of


the story because over there is the yes campaign. We are here today to


make sure Labour do not sway on this and see it is important to


build and something they will support, so the bill can go through


Parliament next year. It is surprising how many opponents and


the people in favour in the same hall, almost next door. It is a bit


of a surprise but it has been quite fun! What difference does it make


having a rival stand? We think it is important people get the real


information. They get assumptions from the yes campaign and we


provide facts. People need to understand both sides to make the


decision for themselves. We are up for a challenge and have had good


conversations today. Pretty much everybody here is up for an


argument. The campaign carries on and I sat down with three young


delegates. Laura is from Witney, David Cameron's constituency. Adam


and Tim from Oxford and Brighton start back in Brighton, there is a


lot of dislike for the big business culture. It is good to show Labour


are not afraid to stand up for the individual and we need to get that


message out because not everybody watches the party conference.


highlight was the question and answer session yesterday, it


electrified the room and was very brave and Ed Miliband showed the


height of his personality. It was brilliant. What he is trying to do


is develop a new approach to the economy so that we give help to


small businesses, we address the distribution of income from the top


to the bottom. So he is trying to signal a direction of travel. So we


have not seen a lot of policies but we have seen a real vision of


something different from the Tory government. Is very interesting


conference and we expect a busy one here in Manchester.


You want to hear from our viewers, don't you?


That is right. On Twitter. Your questions for the Prime Minister,


and will make sure he gets the best! -- I will make sure he gets


the best. Portsmouth is the historic home of


the Royal Navy. At peak periods, it employs more than 17,000 people.


But the Navy is cutting back, 5,000 jobs are going over the next four


years. On Friday, over 1,000 personnel were told they would be


the first to go. It's not yet known how many of those redundancies are


from the base in Portsmouth, but the impact will be felt.


Joining me his Commander John looks worthy, what does this mean for


Portsmouth? It is the beginning of the end. It has been a long time


coming. The Prime Minister says defence of the realm is the first


priority of any government and now with a small group of people who


have caused this, he is proving that is not true. Portsmouth and


all the bases in the south and Scotland and Wales, wherever there


are military, will be cut and cut and cut to gain. Nobody enjoys


being made redundant but when you leave the armed forces, people have


joined the armed forces because they want to serve their country,


they do not join for money. It is not that good, it is not that bad,


but they may love a life. They are doing something positive. People


are having that cut away from them. Beryl 1,000 redundancies come at


least 350 were not wink. -- Berrer 1,000 redundancies, and at least


350 were not willing. The cuts are never welcome and a spokesperson


said they had to identify those people whose skills are no longer


needed. The leader of Portsmouth council saved -- said it is not


welcome but it does have to happen. It does not have to happen, nobody


wants this defence review to continue. 80% of the Tory party


voted against it. The Commons Defence Committee is against the


Strategic Defence Review, it was rushed, it was not strategic, it


was a cost-cutting exercise. Where do you go from here? Everybody in


the country can help. If Portsmouth wants to save the Navy, because


they will go, this is a downhill slope, no matter what the


politicians say. When you have got rid of a ship, it takes 15 years to


build one again. We will end up with about 12 frigates and


destroyers. No matter how they fudge the figures. A rule of three


with the military, if you need one ship on station, you have to have


three, one in maintenance and one in training and one fighting.


does this mean to the staff? We know a local family he said their


grandson was told they are on the Falkland Islands and they are no


longer needed, how does that affect them? Devastated, it is not fair,


not reasonable and not necessary. People throughout the country can


if they make a noise to their MPs, and they have got to do it, they


have to say they do not agree. A lot of people say without knowledge


that defence is expensive and we cannot afford it. That is not true


because for the last 30 years, year after year, Defence has been cut


from 60% of all GDP, and then down to 10%... We have to leave it. A


cuts are coming. And the money has gone into welfare and health.


you for talking to us about this. You are welcome.


Law and order, and the aftermath of the summer's riots, will be high on


the Conservative conference agenda in Manchester. We heard a lot in


the parliamentary debate about the need for stiff punishments but, as


Tristan Pascoe reports, many are arguing that better education for


prisoners could be the key to unlocking the re-offending rates.


After more than three-quarters of those charged with offences during


the recent riots were found to have previous convictions or cautions,


Justice Secretary Ken Clarke fault -- called for a major overhaul of


education in prisons to help tackle re-offending. It is appalling. It


bears out what I have been saying since I got to the Department, 50%


in prison if we know will be back within a year. Three-quarters of


them will commit more offences. So although some good work is being


done, it has not been a priority for years. The priority now is to


build up what we do in prisons and stop re-offending. With the prison


population at a record high of 88,000, there is the political will


for a major overhaul of education within prisons. But will the


coalition government go as far as one regular Dorset prison visitor


would like? Best-selling crime writer minute Walters is a crusader


for improved literacy among inmates. -- Minette. If they are assessed


before sentencing and their inability to read and write is


taken into account by the judge, he can make learning to read and write


part of the sentence. I find it fairly distrustful that in the 21st


century, our prisons have more than 50% of people who struggled to read


and write. They are confined within a prison for a given length of time


and we have no way of teaching them to read and write before they leave.


It seems to me absurd as. And the statistics are alarming. Almost


half the prison population cannot read as well as an 11-year-old. 82%


are below the expected level of writing of an 11-year-old. Ifan and


if -- if an offender arrive zebras and unable to read and write, they


are unlikely to do so before they week -- arrives at prison. There


was frustration by one judge that nothing is being done it inside to


stop people re-offending for any help give them with basic literacy


or numeracy. If you shed by a former Chief Inspector of Prisons.


I approve of Ken Clarke's rehabilitation revolution. But I am


worried that the organisation under the previous government that has


not been put right, I worry it is not capable of delivering what you


want. In Winchester, Berrer a wonderful education staff wanting


to do things and are frustrated they do not have prisoners for long


enough -- there are wonderful. And prisoners are left too long sitting


around doing nothing because there are not enough activities.


valuable is education for prisoners in tackling re-offending rates?


What rarely achieves success in those that we are able to help is


that they recognise that there is a development of personal self-esteem


because they achieve some think which they have never achieved for


themselves in their lives -- achieve something. This goes a long


way towards could sink re-offending and reducing future victims. --


towards cutting. A few years ago, this man was serving time for


burglary. In prison, he learnt to read and went to edit it -- and


went on to edit a prison newspaper. He says education saved him. It was


an enormous help in every single Respect. It is a no-brainer.


Education in prison can give the man or woman who has never really


thought hard about education, has possibly got a very good brain but


does not know how to use that, so if we can just get that and shake


it and mould it through education, at least you have got a fighting


chance. Back in Dorset, this woman has high praise for mentoring


project for prison as you leave prison but she says 0 -- she says


more needs to be done inside prison. -- for prisoners who we've presents


a. In Dorset, we have mentoring project afterwards. They strive


after prison to help people. Why are we teaching them -- why are we


not teaching them to read and write inside prison? In the 21st century,


we should not allow anybody to leave prison when they have been


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