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In the South. Forget hello, sailor - in Portsmouth, it's, here's your | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
P45. Job cuts come to the Royal Navy, and we look at the impact. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
And reading the riot act isn't always easy - 50% of prisoners | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
can't read, so is it time for an education revolution in our | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2145 seconds | :00:55. | :36:41. | |
Thank you, Jon. Hello and welcome to the part of the show especially | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
for us here in the South. My name's Danielle Glavin. On today's show - | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
reading the riot act, how better education in prison might have | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
stopped some of the summer's rioters re-offending. | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
And with the Navy sacking 5,000 staff over the next four years, | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
what does that mean for Portsmouth and the Navy as a whole? | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
But first, we're into the final week of the party conference season | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
and the Conservatives are gathering in Manchester. So it's time for the | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
final outing of our party animals survey, asking people if the | :37:07. | :37:17. | |
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Conservatives were an animal, what I have got two Norfolk terriers and | :37:27. | :37:35. | |
they are feisty, sewn them. Rather large Persian cat. Dinosaur. | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
Sitting on a folded cushioned and no thought for what other people | :37:40. | :37:49. | |
got up to. A zebra, I do not know why. A lie in. I would say it must | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
have full, in charge, thrusting, powerful! -- masterful. They grab | :37:54. | :38:04. | |
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everything for themselves and do not care about anybody else. A rat! | :38:05. | :38:14. | |
Animal? All politicians are very sneaky. Probably be a tiger. They | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
care for their own and look after their own. I would probably say a | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
sheep. They just follow everybody else. A Tigers stomach they are | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
roofless. -- a tiger, because they are roofless. | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
So, do the Conservatives have a tiger in their tank? Our political | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
editor, Peter Henley, is up there with them. How is the mood, Peter? | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
I do not think they would be too upset by some of those comparisons. | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
Nervous about the economy because that underpins so much of what any | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
government can do fighting to deal with the problems in the economy or | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
coming up with its own ideas. Some things like the 80 Malpas hour a | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
limit on the roads for the weekly bin collections might be a | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
distraction, but it is evidence of the ideas of a coalition taking a | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
concrete form and coming through. Some of those ideas are coming from | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
Nick Herbert, who is with me this morning. A busy conference for you? | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
A lot of meetings. Any more of those ideas he will come up with | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
like the 80 Malpas hour speed limit for the justice system of policing? | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
-- 80 miles per hour. We will have to see! I cannot tell you what is | :39:30. | :39:37. | |
coming up in the speeches, but our Policies have gone through | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
Parliament. Today, we have heard back Colonel Tim Collins, the | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
famous military leader, has said he is interested in standing in Kent, | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
and that is what we want, high- quality individuals to stand for | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
this job of holding the police to account and representing the | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
public's using the fight against crime. The other big issue over the | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
summer, the riots, which will have impacted on thinking over policing | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
and justice. Could there be more summary justice? Obviously, we saw | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
terrible things in the riots but good things also came out of it. | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
The criminal justice system responded very swiftly and today I | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
am arguing this principle of swift justice needs to be standard. | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
People need to get before the courts in matter -- in a matter of | :40:27. | :40:33. | |
hours and days and not the months in the existing system. I was after | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
a crime is committed you are putting them in front of a | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
magistrate? -- hours. This happened with the riots. We have video links | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
and police able to give evidence from stations, a defendant from | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
their prison cells. If we extend this technology and rethink the | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
mark -- rethink the role of magistrates, we can get swifter | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
justice. Your party has closed magistrate courts! Many were | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
operating at a very low rate of business and were not done enough | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
work. We do need to rethink justice and I want to say, can we resolve | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
things much more swiftly with a new form of neighbourhood justice | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
involving magistrates? They do not have to sit in court, they can sit | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
in community centres and we could then have a form of justice | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
involving restorative principles were victims are apologised to | :41:30. | :41:38. | |
cover offenders make amends and pay back to society and to the victim - | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
- where victims are apologised to buy it offenders. Penalty notices | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
and cautions were increased. But a lot of the time, these finds are | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
not paid in the first instance. -- these finds. We need a more swift | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
system. That put a burden on the police that you are cutting. I have | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
been asked to ask about the winter report and evidence supposedly from | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
offices his sake, I did not give ", things have been made up. -- | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
officers who say. This is complete nonsense. The Independent reviewer | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
has said today that the names of people who gave evidence on the | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
back of the report does not indicate what they are said, they | :42:23. | :42:30. | |
are just people who were contacted. They are listed and was supplied by | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
the individuals or by that offices. Tom Winsor has said that is right. | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
I am happy with what he says. I do not know why it would be in | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
anybody's interest to name police officers who gave evidence when | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
that was not the case, this is complete nonsense. This is another | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
subject of determination in a tribunal and we will have to wait | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
and see what happened. The principle is we have to deal with | :42:56. | :43:04. | |
the deficit and save money. If the police spent �14 billion a year and | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
30,000 police officers are in backroom jobs and we can do better. | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
We can protect the front line and we are seeing that across the south | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
and it can happen in the rest of the country if savings are found in | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
the right place. Thank you for joining us, it will be interesting! | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
The Labour Party conference was interesting in different ways, this | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
is my look back. You need to be careful where you | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
sit at a Labour conference. Constituency delegates get their | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
own chair to be in the hall to vote. Roy Bailey, a former Commander of | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
Reading police, is a delegate for the first time but has been | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
attending for 10 years as a steward. The backbone of Conference | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
Organisation here. It is a good conference, upbeat. The leader's | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
speech yesterday was very well received and he performed much | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
better than I thought he would do so I am very encouraged. It was a | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
solid speech, inspirational, people like me need to be encouraged and | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
for me it was perfect. As a former policeman, you obviously listened | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
carefully to the crime debate, does it make you angry the numbers of | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
police there are being got rid of? I cannot convey my anger in a few | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
words. For cannot believe what the government are doing. Tory voters | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
are against the proposals, the cuts will cause horrendous damage. | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
Operational policing, community policing, morale singing, it does | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
not bear thinking about! -- morale lower. The arrival of the elephants | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
at Liverpool's Albert Dock. The White elegant of the note at HS2 | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
campaign here to lobby the 10,000 visitors to the Labour Party | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
conference. -- of the note to the HS2. This comment is here to make | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
the case in person. They do not realise how up it will affect the | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
country's. The environmental costs. They do not know the details and | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
the facts so they think it is all right. We have to be here and tell | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
people what the problems are with it. There are plenty of chances to | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
influence policy makers here but visitors can get the other side of | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
the story because over there is the yes campaign. We are here today to | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
make sure Labour do not sway on this and see it is important to | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
build and something they will support, so the bill can go through | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
Parliament next year. It is surprising how many opponents and | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
the people in favour in the same hall, almost next door. It is a bit | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
of a surprise but it has been quite fun! What difference does it make | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
having a rival stand? We think it is important people get the real | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
information. They get assumptions from the yes campaign and we | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
provide facts. People need to understand both sides to make the | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
decision for themselves. We are up for a challenge and have had good | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
conversations today. Pretty much everybody here is up for an | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
argument. The campaign carries on and I sat down with three young | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
delegates. Laura is from Witney, David Cameron's constituency. Adam | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
and Tim from Oxford and Brighton start back in Brighton, there is a | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
lot of dislike for the big business culture. It is good to show Labour | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
are not afraid to stand up for the individual and we need to get that | :46:31. | :46:37. | |
message out because not everybody watches the party conference. | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
highlight was the question and answer session yesterday, it | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
electrified the room and was very brave and Ed Miliband showed the | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
height of his personality. It was brilliant. What he is trying to do | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
is develop a new approach to the economy so that we give help to | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
small businesses, we address the distribution of income from the top | :46:59. | :47:05. | |
to the bottom. So he is trying to signal a direction of travel. So we | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
have not seen a lot of policies but we have seen a real vision of | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
something different from the Tory government. Is very interesting | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
conference and we expect a busy one here in Manchester. | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
You want to hear from our viewers, don't you? | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
That is right. On Twitter. Your questions for the Prime Minister, | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
and will make sure he gets the best! -- I will make sure he gets | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
the best. Portsmouth is the historic home of | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
the Royal Navy. At peak periods, it employs more than 17,000 people. | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
But the Navy is cutting back, 5,000 jobs are going over the next four | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
years. On Friday, over 1,000 personnel were told they would be | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
the first to go. It's not yet known how many of those redundancies are | :47:52. | :48:01. | |
from the base in Portsmouth, but the impact will be felt. | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
Joining me his Commander John looks worthy, what does this mean for | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
Portsmouth? It is the beginning of the end. It has been a long time | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
coming. The Prime Minister says defence of the realm is the first | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
priority of any government and now with a small group of people who | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
have caused this, he is proving that is not true. Portsmouth and | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
all the bases in the south and Scotland and Wales, wherever there | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
are military, will be cut and cut and cut to gain. Nobody enjoys | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
being made redundant but when you leave the armed forces, people have | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
joined the armed forces because they want to serve their country, | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
they do not join for money. It is not that good, it is not that bad, | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
but they may love a life. They are doing something positive. People | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
are having that cut away from them. Beryl 1,000 redundancies come at | :48:59. | :49:07. | |
least 350 were not wink. -- Berrer 1,000 redundancies, and at least | :49:07. | :49:13. | |
350 were not willing. The cuts are never welcome and a spokesperson | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
said they had to identify those people whose skills are no longer | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
needed. The leader of Portsmouth council saved -- said it is not | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
welcome but it does have to happen. It does not have to happen, nobody | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
wants this defence review to continue. 80% of the Tory party | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
voted against it. The Commons Defence Committee is against the | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
Strategic Defence Review, it was rushed, it was not strategic, it | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
was a cost-cutting exercise. Where do you go from here? Everybody in | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
the country can help. If Portsmouth wants to save the Navy, because | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
they will go, this is a downhill slope, no matter what the | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
politicians say. When you have got rid of a ship, it takes 15 years to | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
build one again. We will end up with about 12 frigates and | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
destroyers. No matter how they fudge the figures. A rule of three | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
with the military, if you need one ship on station, you have to have | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
three, one in maintenance and one in training and one fighting. | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
does this mean to the staff? We know a local family he said their | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
grandson was told they are on the Falkland Islands and they are no | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
longer needed, how does that affect them? Devastated, it is not fair, | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
not reasonable and not necessary. People throughout the country can | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
if they make a noise to their MPs, and they have got to do it, they | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
have to say they do not agree. A lot of people say without knowledge | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
that defence is expensive and we cannot afford it. That is not true | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
because for the last 30 years, year after year, Defence has been cut | :50:56. | :51:05. | |
from 60% of all GDP, and then down to 10%... We have to leave it. A | :51:05. | :51:11. | |
cuts are coming. And the money has gone into welfare and health. | :51:11. | :51:19. | |
you for talking to us about this. You are welcome. | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
Law and order, and the aftermath of the summer's riots, will be high on | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
the Conservative conference agenda in Manchester. We heard a lot in | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
the parliamentary debate about the need for stiff punishments but, as | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
Tristan Pascoe reports, many are arguing that better education for | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
prisoners could be the key to unlocking the re-offending rates. | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
After more than three-quarters of those charged with offences during | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
the recent riots were found to have previous convictions or cautions, | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke fault -- called for a major overhaul of | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
education in prisons to help tackle re-offending. It is appalling. It | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
bears out what I have been saying since I got to the Department, 50% | :51:57. | :52:02. | |
in prison if we know will be back within a year. Three-quarters of | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
them will commit more offences. So although some good work is being | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
done, it has not been a priority for years. The priority now is to | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
build up what we do in prisons and stop re-offending. With the prison | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
population at a record high of 88,000, there is the political will | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
for a major overhaul of education within prisons. But will the | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
coalition government go as far as one regular Dorset prison visitor | :52:28. | :52:34. | |
would like? Best-selling crime writer minute Walters is a crusader | :52:34. | :52:44. | |
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for improved literacy among inmates. -- Minette. If they are assessed | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
before sentencing and their inability to read and write is | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
taken into account by the judge, he can make learning to read and write | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
part of the sentence. I find it fairly distrustful that in the 21st | :53:01. | :53:07. | |
century, our prisons have more than 50% of people who struggled to read | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
and write. They are confined within a prison for a given length of time | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
and we have no way of teaching them to read and write before they leave. | :53:17. | :53:23. | |
It seems to me absurd as. And the statistics are alarming. Almost | :53:23. | :53:29. | |
half the prison population cannot read as well as an 11-year-old. 82% | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
are below the expected level of writing of an 11-year-old. Ifan and | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
if -- if an offender arrive zebras and unable to read and write, they | :53:37. | :53:44. | |
are unlikely to do so before they week -- arrives at prison. There | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
was frustration by one judge that nothing is being done it inside to | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
stop people re-offending for any help give them with basic literacy | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
or numeracy. If you shed by a former Chief Inspector of Prisons. | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
I approve of Ken Clarke's rehabilitation revolution. But I am | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
worried that the organisation under the previous government that has | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
not been put right, I worry it is not capable of delivering what you | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
want. In Winchester, Berrer a wonderful education staff wanting | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
to do things and are frustrated they do not have prisoners for long | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
enough -- there are wonderful. And prisoners are left too long sitting | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
around doing nothing because there are not enough activities. | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
valuable is education for prisoners in tackling re-offending rates? | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
What rarely achieves success in those that we are able to help is | :54:40. | :54:47. | |
that they recognise that there is a development of personal self-esteem | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
because they achieve some think which they have never achieved for | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
themselves in their lives -- achieve something. This goes a long | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
way towards could sink re-offending and reducing future victims. -- | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
towards cutting. A few years ago, this man was serving time for | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
burglary. In prison, he learnt to read and went to edit it -- and | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
went on to edit a prison newspaper. He says education saved him. It was | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
an enormous help in every single Respect. It is a no-brainer. | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
Education in prison can give the man or woman who has never really | :55:25. | :55:32. | |
thought hard about education, has possibly got a very good brain but | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
does not know how to use that, so if we can just get that and shake | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
it and mould it through education, at least you have got a fighting | :55:41. | :55:49. | |
chance. Back in Dorset, this woman has high praise for mentoring | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
project for prison as you leave prison but she says 0 -- she says | :55:52. | :56:00. | |
more needs to be done inside prison. -- for prisoners who we've presents | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
a. In Dorset, we have mentoring project afterwards. They strive | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
after prison to help people. Why are we teaching them -- why are we | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
not teaching them to read and write inside prison? In the 21st century, | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
we should not allow anybody to leave prison when they have been | :56:20. | :56:25. |