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In the South. Forget hello, sailor - in Portsmouth, it's, here's your

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P45. Job cuts come to the Royal Navy, and we look at the impact.

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And reading the riot act isn't always easy - 50% of prisoners

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can't read, so is it time for an education revolution in our

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2145 seconds

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Thank you, Jon. Hello and welcome to the part of the show especially

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for us here in the South. My name's Danielle Glavin. On today's show -

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reading the riot act, how better education in prison might have

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stopped some of the summer's rioters re-offending.

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And with the Navy sacking 5,000 staff over the next four years,

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what does that mean for Portsmouth and the Navy as a whole?

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But first, we're into the final week of the party conference season

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and the Conservatives are gathering in Manchester. So it's time for the

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final outing of our party animals survey, asking people if the

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Conservatives were an animal, what I have got two Norfolk terriers and

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they are feisty, sewn them. Rather large Persian cat. Dinosaur.

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Sitting on a folded cushioned and no thought for what other people

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got up to. A zebra, I do not know why. A lie in. I would say it must

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have full, in charge, thrusting, powerful! -- masterful. They grab

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everything for themselves and do not care about anybody else. A rat!

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Animal? All politicians are very sneaky. Probably be a tiger. They

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care for their own and look after their own. I would probably say a

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sheep. They just follow everybody else. A Tigers stomach they are

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roofless. -- a tiger, because they are roofless.

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So, do the Conservatives have a tiger in their tank? Our political

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editor, Peter Henley, is up there with them. How is the mood, Peter?

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I do not think they would be too upset by some of those comparisons.

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Nervous about the economy because that underpins so much of what any

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government can do fighting to deal with the problems in the economy or

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coming up with its own ideas. Some things like the 80 Malpas hour a

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limit on the roads for the weekly bin collections might be a

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distraction, but it is evidence of the ideas of a coalition taking a

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concrete form and coming through. Some of those ideas are coming from

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Nick Herbert, who is with me this morning. A busy conference for you?

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A lot of meetings. Any more of those ideas he will come up with

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like the 80 Malpas hour speed limit for the justice system of policing?

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-- 80 miles per hour. We will have to see! I cannot tell you what is

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coming up in the speeches, but our Policies have gone through

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Parliament. Today, we have heard back Colonel Tim Collins, the

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famous military leader, has said he is interested in standing in Kent,

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and that is what we want, high- quality individuals to stand for

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this job of holding the police to account and representing the

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public's using the fight against crime. The other big issue over the

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summer, the riots, which will have impacted on thinking over policing

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and justice. Could there be more summary justice? Obviously, we saw

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terrible things in the riots but good things also came out of it.

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The criminal justice system responded very swiftly and today I

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am arguing this principle of swift justice needs to be standard.

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People need to get before the courts in matter -- in a matter of

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hours and days and not the months in the existing system. I was after

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a crime is committed you are putting them in front of a

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magistrate? -- hours. This happened with the riots. We have video links

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and police able to give evidence from stations, a defendant from

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their prison cells. If we extend this technology and rethink the

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mark -- rethink the role of magistrates, we can get swifter

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justice. Your party has closed magistrate courts! Many were

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operating at a very low rate of business and were not done enough

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work. We do need to rethink justice and I want to say, can we resolve

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things much more swiftly with a new form of neighbourhood justice

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involving magistrates? They do not have to sit in court, they can sit

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in community centres and we could then have a form of justice

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involving restorative principles were victims are apologised to

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cover offenders make amends and pay back to society and to the victim -

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- where victims are apologised to buy it offenders. Penalty notices

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and cautions were increased. But a lot of the time, these finds are

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not paid in the first instance. -- these finds. We need a more swift

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system. That put a burden on the police that you are cutting. I have

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been asked to ask about the winter report and evidence supposedly from

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offices his sake, I did not give ", things have been made up. --

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officers who say. This is complete nonsense. The Independent reviewer

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has said today that the names of people who gave evidence on the

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back of the report does not indicate what they are said, they

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are just people who were contacted. They are listed and was supplied by

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the individuals or by that offices. Tom Winsor has said that is right.

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I am happy with what he says. I do not know why it would be in

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anybody's interest to name police officers who gave evidence when

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that was not the case, this is complete nonsense. This is another

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subject of determination in a tribunal and we will have to wait

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and see what happened. The principle is we have to deal with

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the deficit and save money. If the police spent �14 billion a year and

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30,000 police officers are in backroom jobs and we can do better.

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We can protect the front line and we are seeing that across the south

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and it can happen in the rest of the country if savings are found in

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the right place. Thank you for joining us, it will be interesting!

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The Labour Party conference was interesting in different ways, this

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is my look back. You need to be careful where you

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sit at a Labour conference. Constituency delegates get their

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own chair to be in the hall to vote. Roy Bailey, a former Commander of

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Reading police, is a delegate for the first time but has been

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attending for 10 years as a steward. The backbone of Conference

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Organisation here. It is a good conference, upbeat. The leader's

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speech yesterday was very well received and he performed much

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better than I thought he would do so I am very encouraged. It was a

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solid speech, inspirational, people like me need to be encouraged and

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for me it was perfect. As a former policeman, you obviously listened

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carefully to the crime debate, does it make you angry the numbers of

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police there are being got rid of? I cannot convey my anger in a few

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words. For cannot believe what the government are doing. Tory voters

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are against the proposals, the cuts will cause horrendous damage.

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Operational policing, community policing, morale singing, it does

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not bear thinking about! -- morale lower. The arrival of the elephants

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at Liverpool's Albert Dock. The White elegant of the note at HS2

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campaign here to lobby the 10,000 visitors to the Labour Party

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conference. -- of the note to the HS2. This comment is here to make

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the case in person. They do not realise how up it will affect the

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country's. The environmental costs. They do not know the details and

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the facts so they think it is all right. We have to be here and tell

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people what the problems are with it. There are plenty of chances to

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influence policy makers here but visitors can get the other side of

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the story because over there is the yes campaign. We are here today to

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make sure Labour do not sway on this and see it is important to

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build and something they will support, so the bill can go through

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Parliament next year. It is surprising how many opponents and

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the people in favour in the same hall, almost next door. It is a bit

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of a surprise but it has been quite fun! What difference does it make

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having a rival stand? We think it is important people get the real

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information. They get assumptions from the yes campaign and we

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provide facts. People need to understand both sides to make the

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decision for themselves. We are up for a challenge and have had good

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conversations today. Pretty much everybody here is up for an

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argument. The campaign carries on and I sat down with three young

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delegates. Laura is from Witney, David Cameron's constituency. Adam

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and Tim from Oxford and Brighton start back in Brighton, there is a

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lot of dislike for the big business culture. It is good to show Labour

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are not afraid to stand up for the individual and we need to get that

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message out because not everybody watches the party conference.

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highlight was the question and answer session yesterday, it

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electrified the room and was very brave and Ed Miliband showed the

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height of his personality. It was brilliant. What he is trying to do

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is develop a new approach to the economy so that we give help to

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small businesses, we address the distribution of income from the top

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to the bottom. So he is trying to signal a direction of travel. So we

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have not seen a lot of policies but we have seen a real vision of

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something different from the Tory government. Is very interesting

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conference and we expect a busy one here in Manchester.

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You want to hear from our viewers, don't you?

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That is right. On Twitter. Your questions for the Prime Minister,

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and will make sure he gets the best! -- I will make sure he gets

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the best. Portsmouth is the historic home of

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the Royal Navy. At peak periods, it employs more than 17,000 people.

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But the Navy is cutting back, 5,000 jobs are going over the next four

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years. On Friday, over 1,000 personnel were told they would be

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the first to go. It's not yet known how many of those redundancies are

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from the base in Portsmouth, but the impact will be felt.

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Joining me his Commander John looks worthy, what does this mean for

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Portsmouth? It is the beginning of the end. It has been a long time

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coming. The Prime Minister says defence of the realm is the first

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priority of any government and now with a small group of people who

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have caused this, he is proving that is not true. Portsmouth and

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all the bases in the south and Scotland and Wales, wherever there

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are military, will be cut and cut and cut to gain. Nobody enjoys

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being made redundant but when you leave the armed forces, people have

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joined the armed forces because they want to serve their country,

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they do not join for money. It is not that good, it is not that bad,

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but they may love a life. They are doing something positive. People

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are having that cut away from them. Beryl 1,000 redundancies come at

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least 350 were not wink. -- Berrer 1,000 redundancies, and at least

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350 were not willing. The cuts are never welcome and a spokesperson

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said they had to identify those people whose skills are no longer

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needed. The leader of Portsmouth council saved -- said it is not

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welcome but it does have to happen. It does not have to happen, nobody

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wants this defence review to continue. 80% of the Tory party

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voted against it. The Commons Defence Committee is against the

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Strategic Defence Review, it was rushed, it was not strategic, it

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was a cost-cutting exercise. Where do you go from here? Everybody in

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the country can help. If Portsmouth wants to save the Navy, because

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they will go, this is a downhill slope, no matter what the

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politicians say. When you have got rid of a ship, it takes 15 years to

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build one again. We will end up with about 12 frigates and

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destroyers. No matter how they fudge the figures. A rule of three

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with the military, if you need one ship on station, you have to have

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three, one in maintenance and one in training and one fighting.

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does this mean to the staff? We know a local family he said their

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grandson was told they are on the Falkland Islands and they are no

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longer needed, how does that affect them? Devastated, it is not fair,

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not reasonable and not necessary. People throughout the country can

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if they make a noise to their MPs, and they have got to do it, they

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have to say they do not agree. A lot of people say without knowledge

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that defence is expensive and we cannot afford it. That is not true

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because for the last 30 years, year after year, Defence has been cut

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from 60% of all GDP, and then down to 10%... We have to leave it. A

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cuts are coming. And the money has gone into welfare and health.

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you for talking to us about this. You are welcome.

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Law and order, and the aftermath of the summer's riots, will be high on

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the Conservative conference agenda in Manchester. We heard a lot in

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the parliamentary debate about the need for stiff punishments but, as

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Tristan Pascoe reports, many are arguing that better education for

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prisoners could be the key to unlocking the re-offending rates.

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After more than three-quarters of those charged with offences during

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the recent riots were found to have previous convictions or cautions,

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Justice Secretary Ken Clarke fault -- called for a major overhaul of

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education in prisons to help tackle re-offending. It is appalling. It

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bears out what I have been saying since I got to the Department, 50%

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in prison if we know will be back within a year. Three-quarters of

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them will commit more offences. So although some good work is being

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done, it has not been a priority for years. The priority now is to

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build up what we do in prisons and stop re-offending. With the prison

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population at a record high of 88,000, there is the political will

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for a major overhaul of education within prisons. But will the

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coalition government go as far as one regular Dorset prison visitor

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would like? Best-selling crime writer minute Walters is a crusader

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for improved literacy among inmates. -- Minette. If they are assessed

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before sentencing and their inability to read and write is

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taken into account by the judge, he can make learning to read and write

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part of the sentence. I find it fairly distrustful that in the 21st

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century, our prisons have more than 50% of people who struggled to read

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and write. They are confined within a prison for a given length of time

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and we have no way of teaching them to read and write before they leave.

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It seems to me absurd as. And the statistics are alarming. Almost

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half the prison population cannot read as well as an 11-year-old. 82%

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are below the expected level of writing of an 11-year-old. Ifan and

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if -- if an offender arrive zebras and unable to read and write, they

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are unlikely to do so before they week -- arrives at prison. There

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was frustration by one judge that nothing is being done it inside to

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stop people re-offending for any help give them with basic literacy

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or numeracy. If you shed by a former Chief Inspector of Prisons.

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I approve of Ken Clarke's rehabilitation revolution. But I am

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worried that the organisation under the previous government that has

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not been put right, I worry it is not capable of delivering what you

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want. In Winchester, Berrer a wonderful education staff wanting

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to do things and are frustrated they do not have prisoners for long

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enough -- there are wonderful. And prisoners are left too long sitting

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around doing nothing because there are not enough activities.

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valuable is education for prisoners in tackling re-offending rates?

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What rarely achieves success in those that we are able to help is

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that they recognise that there is a development of personal self-esteem

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because they achieve some think which they have never achieved for

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themselves in their lives -- achieve something. This goes a long

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way towards could sink re-offending and reducing future victims. --

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towards cutting. A few years ago, this man was serving time for

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burglary. In prison, he learnt to read and went to edit it -- and

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went on to edit a prison newspaper. He says education saved him. It was

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an enormous help in every single Respect. It is a no-brainer.

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Education in prison can give the man or woman who has never really

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thought hard about education, has possibly got a very good brain but

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does not know how to use that, so if we can just get that and shake

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it and mould it through education, at least you have got a fighting

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chance. Back in Dorset, this woman has high praise for mentoring

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project for prison as you leave prison but she says 0 -- she says

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more needs to be done inside prison. -- for prisoners who we've presents

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a. In Dorset, we have mentoring project afterwards. They strive

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after prison to help people. Why are we teaching them -- why are we

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not teaching them to read and write inside prison? In the 21st century,

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we should not allow anybody to leave prison when they have been

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