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In the South. Forget hello, sailor - in Portsmouth, it's, here's your
P45. Job cuts come to the Royal Navy, and we look at the impact.
And reading the riot act isn't always easy - 50% of prisoners
can't read, so is it time for an education revolution in our
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Thank you, Jon. Hello and welcome to the part of the show especially
for us here in the South. My name's Danielle Glavin. On today's show -
reading the riot act, how better education in prison might have
stopped some of the summer's rioters re-offending.
And with the Navy sacking 5,000 staff over the next four years,
what does that mean for Portsmouth and the Navy as a whole?
But first, we're into the final week of the party conference season
and the Conservatives are gathering in Manchester. So it's time for the
final outing of our party animals survey, asking people if the
Conservatives were an animal, what I have got two Norfolk terriers and
they are feisty, sewn them. Rather large Persian cat. Dinosaur.
Sitting on a folded cushioned and no thought for what other people
got up to. A zebra, I do not know why. A lie in. I would say it must
have full, in charge, thrusting, powerful! -- masterful. They grab
everything for themselves and do not care about anybody else. A rat!
Animal? All politicians are very sneaky. Probably be a tiger. They
care for their own and look after their own. I would probably say a
sheep. They just follow everybody else. A Tigers stomach they are
roofless. -- a tiger, because they are roofless.
So, do the Conservatives have a tiger in their tank? Our political
editor, Peter Henley, is up there with them. How is the mood, Peter?
I do not think they would be too upset by some of those comparisons.
Nervous about the economy because that underpins so much of what any
government can do fighting to deal with the problems in the economy or
coming up with its own ideas. Some things like the 80 Malpas hour a
limit on the roads for the weekly bin collections might be a
distraction, but it is evidence of the ideas of a coalition taking a
concrete form and coming through. Some of those ideas are coming from
Nick Herbert, who is with me this morning. A busy conference for you?
A lot of meetings. Any more of those ideas he will come up with
like the 80 Malpas hour speed limit for the justice system of policing?
-- 80 miles per hour. We will have to see! I cannot tell you what is
coming up in the speeches, but our Policies have gone through
Parliament. Today, we have heard back Colonel Tim Collins, the
famous military leader, has said he is interested in standing in Kent,
and that is what we want, high- quality individuals to stand for
this job of holding the police to account and representing the
public's using the fight against crime. The other big issue over the
summer, the riots, which will have impacted on thinking over policing
and justice. Could there be more summary justice? Obviously, we saw
terrible things in the riots but good things also came out of it.
The criminal justice system responded very swiftly and today I
am arguing this principle of swift justice needs to be standard.
People need to get before the courts in matter -- in a matter of
hours and days and not the months in the existing system. I was after
a crime is committed you are putting them in front of a
magistrate? -- hours. This happened with the riots. We have video links
and police able to give evidence from stations, a defendant from
their prison cells. If we extend this technology and rethink the
mark -- rethink the role of magistrates, we can get swifter
justice. Your party has closed magistrate courts! Many were
operating at a very low rate of business and were not done enough
work. We do need to rethink justice and I want to say, can we resolve
things much more swiftly with a new form of neighbourhood justice
involving magistrates? They do not have to sit in court, they can sit
in community centres and we could then have a form of justice
involving restorative principles were victims are apologised to
cover offenders make amends and pay back to society and to the victim -
- where victims are apologised to buy it offenders. Penalty notices
and cautions were increased. But a lot of the time, these finds are
not paid in the first instance. -- these finds. We need a more swift
system. That put a burden on the police that you are cutting. I have
been asked to ask about the winter report and evidence supposedly from
offices his sake, I did not give ", things have been made up. --
officers who say. This is complete nonsense. The Independent reviewer
has said today that the names of people who gave evidence on the
back of the report does not indicate what they are said, they
are just people who were contacted. They are listed and was supplied by
the individuals or by that offices. Tom Winsor has said that is right.
I am happy with what he says. I do not know why it would be in
anybody's interest to name police officers who gave evidence when
that was not the case, this is complete nonsense. This is another
subject of determination in a tribunal and we will have to wait
and see what happened. The principle is we have to deal with
the deficit and save money. If the police spent �14 billion a year and
30,000 police officers are in backroom jobs and we can do better.
We can protect the front line and we are seeing that across the south
and it can happen in the rest of the country if savings are found in
the right place. Thank you for joining us, it will be interesting!
The Labour Party conference was interesting in different ways, this
is my look back. You need to be careful where you
sit at a Labour conference. Constituency delegates get their
own chair to be in the hall to vote. Roy Bailey, a former Commander of
Reading police, is a delegate for the first time but has been
attending for 10 years as a steward. The backbone of Conference
Organisation here. It is a good conference, upbeat. The leader's
speech yesterday was very well received and he performed much
better than I thought he would do so I am very encouraged. It was a
solid speech, inspirational, people like me need to be encouraged and
for me it was perfect. As a former policeman, you obviously listened
carefully to the crime debate, does it make you angry the numbers of
police there are being got rid of? I cannot convey my anger in a few
words. For cannot believe what the government are doing. Tory voters
are against the proposals, the cuts will cause horrendous damage.
Operational policing, community policing, morale singing, it does
not bear thinking about! -- morale lower. The arrival of the elephants
at Liverpool's Albert Dock. The White elegant of the note at HS2
campaign here to lobby the 10,000 visitors to the Labour Party
conference. -- of the note to the HS2. This comment is here to make
the case in person. They do not realise how up it will affect the
country's. The environmental costs. They do not know the details and
the facts so they think it is all right. We have to be here and tell
people what the problems are with it. There are plenty of chances to
influence policy makers here but visitors can get the other side of
the story because over there is the yes campaign. We are here today to
make sure Labour do not sway on this and see it is important to
build and something they will support, so the bill can go through
Parliament next year. It is surprising how many opponents and
the people in favour in the same hall, almost next door. It is a bit
of a surprise but it has been quite fun! What difference does it make
having a rival stand? We think it is important people get the real
information. They get assumptions from the yes campaign and we
provide facts. People need to understand both sides to make the
decision for themselves. We are up for a challenge and have had good
conversations today. Pretty much everybody here is up for an
argument. The campaign carries on and I sat down with three young
delegates. Laura is from Witney, David Cameron's constituency. Adam
and Tim from Oxford and Brighton start back in Brighton, there is a
lot of dislike for the big business culture. It is good to show Labour
are not afraid to stand up for the individual and we need to get that
message out because not everybody watches the party conference.
highlight was the question and answer session yesterday, it
electrified the room and was very brave and Ed Miliband showed the
height of his personality. It was brilliant. What he is trying to do
is develop a new approach to the economy so that we give help to
small businesses, we address the distribution of income from the top
to the bottom. So he is trying to signal a direction of travel. So we
have not seen a lot of policies but we have seen a real vision of
something different from the Tory government. Is very interesting
conference and we expect a busy one here in Manchester.
You want to hear from our viewers, don't you?
That is right. On Twitter. Your questions for the Prime Minister,
and will make sure he gets the best! -- I will make sure he gets
the best. Portsmouth is the historic home of
the Royal Navy. At peak periods, it employs more than 17,000 people.
But the Navy is cutting back, 5,000 jobs are going over the next four
years. On Friday, over 1,000 personnel were told they would be
the first to go. It's not yet known how many of those redundancies are
from the base in Portsmouth, but the impact will be felt.
Joining me his Commander John looks worthy, what does this mean for
Portsmouth? It is the beginning of the end. It has been a long time
coming. The Prime Minister says defence of the realm is the first
priority of any government and now with a small group of people who
have caused this, he is proving that is not true. Portsmouth and
all the bases in the south and Scotland and Wales, wherever there
are military, will be cut and cut and cut to gain. Nobody enjoys
being made redundant but when you leave the armed forces, people have
joined the armed forces because they want to serve their country,
they do not join for money. It is not that good, it is not that bad,
but they may love a life. They are doing something positive. People
are having that cut away from them. Beryl 1,000 redundancies come at
least 350 were not wink. -- Berrer 1,000 redundancies, and at least
350 were not willing. The cuts are never welcome and a spokesperson
said they had to identify those people whose skills are no longer
needed. The leader of Portsmouth council saved -- said it is not
welcome but it does have to happen. It does not have to happen, nobody
wants this defence review to continue. 80% of the Tory party
voted against it. The Commons Defence Committee is against the
Strategic Defence Review, it was rushed, it was not strategic, it
was a cost-cutting exercise. Where do you go from here? Everybody in
the country can help. If Portsmouth wants to save the Navy, because
they will go, this is a downhill slope, no matter what the
politicians say. When you have got rid of a ship, it takes 15 years to
build one again. We will end up with about 12 frigates and
destroyers. No matter how they fudge the figures. A rule of three
with the military, if you need one ship on station, you have to have
three, one in maintenance and one in training and one fighting.
does this mean to the staff? We know a local family he said their
grandson was told they are on the Falkland Islands and they are no
longer needed, how does that affect them? Devastated, it is not fair,
not reasonable and not necessary. People throughout the country can
if they make a noise to their MPs, and they have got to do it, they
have to say they do not agree. A lot of people say without knowledge
that defence is expensive and we cannot afford it. That is not true
because for the last 30 years, year after year, Defence has been cut
from 60% of all GDP, and then down to 10%... We have to leave it. A
cuts are coming. And the money has gone into welfare and health.
you for talking to us about this. You are welcome.
Law and order, and the aftermath of the summer's riots, will be high on
the Conservative conference agenda in Manchester. We heard a lot in
the parliamentary debate about the need for stiff punishments but, as
Tristan Pascoe reports, many are arguing that better education for
prisoners could be the key to unlocking the re-offending rates.
After more than three-quarters of those charged with offences during
the recent riots were found to have previous convictions or cautions,
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke fault -- called for a major overhaul of
education in prisons to help tackle re-offending. It is appalling. It
bears out what I have been saying since I got to the Department, 50%
in prison if we know will be back within a year. Three-quarters of
them will commit more offences. So although some good work is being
done, it has not been a priority for years. The priority now is to
build up what we do in prisons and stop re-offending. With the prison
population at a record high of 88,000, there is the political will
for a major overhaul of education within prisons. But will the
coalition government go as far as one regular Dorset prison visitor
would like? Best-selling crime writer minute Walters is a crusader
for improved literacy among inmates. -- Minette. If they are assessed
before sentencing and their inability to read and write is
taken into account by the judge, he can make learning to read and write
part of the sentence. I find it fairly distrustful that in the 21st
century, our prisons have more than 50% of people who struggled to read
and write. They are confined within a prison for a given length of time
and we have no way of teaching them to read and write before they leave.
It seems to me absurd as. And the statistics are alarming. Almost
half the prison population cannot read as well as an 11-year-old. 82%
are below the expected level of writing of an 11-year-old. Ifan and
if -- if an offender arrive zebras and unable to read and write, they
are unlikely to do so before they week -- arrives at prison. There
was frustration by one judge that nothing is being done it inside to
stop people re-offending for any help give them with basic literacy
or numeracy. If you shed by a former Chief Inspector of Prisons.
I approve of Ken Clarke's rehabilitation revolution. But I am
worried that the organisation under the previous government that has
not been put right, I worry it is not capable of delivering what you
want. In Winchester, Berrer a wonderful education staff wanting
to do things and are frustrated they do not have prisoners for long
enough -- there are wonderful. And prisoners are left too long sitting
around doing nothing because there are not enough activities.
valuable is education for prisoners in tackling re-offending rates?
What rarely achieves success in those that we are able to help is
that they recognise that there is a development of personal self-esteem
because they achieve some think which they have never achieved for
themselves in their lives -- achieve something. This goes a long
way towards could sink re-offending and reducing future victims. --
towards cutting. A few years ago, this man was serving time for
burglary. In prison, he learnt to read and went to edit it -- and
went on to edit a prison newspaper. He says education saved him. It was
an enormous help in every single Respect. It is a no-brainer.
Education in prison can give the man or woman who has never really
thought hard about education, has possibly got a very good brain but
does not know how to use that, so if we can just get that and shake
it and mould it through education, at least you have got a fighting
chance. Back in Dorset, this woman has high praise for mentoring
project for prison as you leave prison but she says 0 -- she says
more needs to be done inside prison. -- for prisoners who we've presents
a. In Dorset, we have mentoring project afterwards. They strive
after prison to help people. Why are we teaching them -- why are we
not teaching them to read and write inside prison? In the 21st century,
we should not allow anybody to leave prison when they have been