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Later in the programme we'll be looking into the future - farming, | :00:41. | :00:51. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2222 seconds | :00:51. | :37:54. | |
newspapers and the leader of Plaid Welcome to the Politics Show in | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
Wales. In a few minutes we'll be looking at the future for | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
newspapers and the farming industry, but, first, what lies ahead for | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
Plaid Cymru's leader Ieuan Wyn Jones? | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
He has been under fire this week for being on holiday in France. He | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
missed the Queen opening the new session of the Senedd and the rest | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
of the Assembly's business including First Minister's | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
Questions. Earlier, I spoke to our North Wales political correspondent, | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
John Stevenson, in our Bangor newsroom. I asked him about the | :38:17. | :38:26. | |
damage this episode has caused to the party. | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
It is an old political truism going back to the days of medieval | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
warfare that every land the ticking, every Army needed general. What we | :38:35. | :38:41. | |
have seen since this announcement that Lyon when Jones was standing | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
down some time in the next two-and- a-half years, we have not seen that | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
in this party. It seems to be lurching from one problem to the | :38:50. | :38:59. | |
next. Ieuan Wyn Jones was on holidays in France, missing the | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
State Opening of the assembly. He missed the first important session | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
to First Minister's Questions. It is ironic that three months ago the | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
party that was part of the Government that was in charge of | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
Wales could get itself into such a whole. Some senior figures within | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
the party have asked for him to go sooner rather than later. How | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
widespread is that feeling? desire rollick that the party that | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
was in government three months ago should be in this situation. Senior | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
figures in the party, mostly through the press and interviews, | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
suggesting that the period of 2 1/2 years just is not sustainable. We | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
have seen those senior figures. I met with the parliamentary leader | :39:47. | :39:54. | |
of Plaid Cymru and asked him are we seeing the vultures circling? | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
vultures, as you describe them, are the people who were his greatest | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
cheerleaders when he took us in on that momentous day, into government | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
in the first time in our history. He was the man who did that. Let's | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
not forget that he was probably one of the best strategists that Plaid | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
Cymru has ever had. To start rounding on him and this way is | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
unseemly. We have heard what he has said, saying that he would go in | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
his own good time. I don't happen to believe it will be two years, | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
but it is a matter for him. We all have to him to let him do it in his | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
own time. I have no truck with these vultures. They're not doing | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
anybody any good tent at the end of the day they're not doing | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
themselves any good either. We have seen in the Telegraph during the | :40:50. | :40:58. | |
week about the revelations about the final days of that Blair regime | :40:59. | :41:04. | |
and how messy these things tend to become a. Plaid Cymru should have | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
learned from their end days of the Blair government and it seems that | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
they have not done that. John Stevenson talking to me | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
earlier from our Bangor newsroom. The number of local newspapers has | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
been in steady decline in the past few years. | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
Just last month another title, the Herald of Wales, bit the dust. But | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
as the source of local news disappears from the news stand, is | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
the rise in online media plugging the gap? As the latest media | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
barometer suggests not, we sent our reporter Charlotte Dubenskij to | :41:33. | :41:43. | |
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investigate. We live in a digital world. No | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
longer are we tied waiting for the latest edition of the newspaper. | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
Instead a few taps on my phone and I can find a what is happening in | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
the world were ever I am. Yet according to the latest survey I am | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
not in the majority. 70 per cent of those questioned in will said there | :42:04. | :42:11. | |
were more likely to be a fair and newspaper to online media. Despite | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
that approval for the printed press, newspaper's circulation across the | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
country is dwindling. But the end of the last century are only | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
national newspaper had a circulation of 55,000. 11 years | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
later in 2010 the paper's circulation dipped below 30,000. So | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
if national newspapers are struggling, how our local paper | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
surviving? I think the city newspapers, they have the big | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
stories, the murders and the scandals, that sort of thing, which | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
you can get easily on the Internet. With the weekly newspaper we offer | :42:49. | :42:56. | |
things you can get so easily on the Internet. For example a community | :42:56. | :43:02. | |
newspapers - community news pages are probably our most popular pages. | :43:02. | :43:12. | |
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We say what if - what is going on. This paper relies on its local | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
following and in return they expect content that is unique to the area. | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
High is that information reported when a local paper like this shut | :43:21. | :43:28. | |
up shop? For more than 80 years the Guardian served its local area, but | :43:28. | :43:35. | |
in 2009 the editions were scrapped. Media will says that's as part of | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
its review a close the loss-making week lease to streamline its | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
multimedia news operation. Rachel has been studying the effect that | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
has had on the people of Port Talbot. The people say that they | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
missed it and it is much harder to publicise things. They are grateful | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
to have things online because something is better than nothing, | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
but it is not doing the job used to do and it is not appealing the | :44:02. | :44:12. | |
people it used to attract. There is still a significant element of | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
people who are left out of this picture. 2009 was the worst year | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
for closures with the 60 titles across the UK going to the press | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
for the last time, five per cent of the overall number. Since then even | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
more have become defunct, though it says this has been balanced out by | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
new lunchers. Concern is being raised over the future of media in | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
Wilts. Local papers are vital. It is the way that local people can | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
hold their local council accountable and also to be able to | :44:50. | :44:58. | |
talk to each other about local issues. When it is put in the wider | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
picture of that decline of the print media generally and the | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
tightening budgets and restrictions around the BBC and ITV you have a | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
serious situation facing the media in Wales. These are difficult times | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
for many newspapers, so what does this solution? When newspapers were | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
really locally owned and not owned by one of the Big Four News | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
conglomerates, the profits were consistently quite high, but big | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
part of those problems were reinvested back into the news | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
product. It was a more sustainable news model. We also have to look at | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
other business models. We should be looking at not-for-profit models, | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
even looking at different ways of publicly subsidising the news. | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
future of local newspapers is by no means certain, but whether we like | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
it or not the availability of online media is there to plug the | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
gaps any closures leave behind. Just how important is the Welsh | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
farming industry? And what are the key challenges it faces? In a | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
moment I'll be talking to the outgoing President of the Farmers' | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
Union of Wales and the new Deputy Minister for Agriculture. But first, | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
here's our correspondent, Iolo ap Dafydd, with his take on the state | :46:17. | :46:24. | |
of farming in Wales. During the past few years the | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
farming sector has not been hit as badly as other industries. There | :46:28. | :46:35. | |
are concerns, the dry spring, lack of rainfall, escalating fuel prices, | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
securing a fair price for produce, and diseases like bovine | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
tuberculosis. The new Welsh government run by Labour says that | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
many of the rural policies from the previous government will be carried | :46:47. | :46:53. | |
on, but the rural affairs the pub has disappeared with no ministerial | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
post solely in charge of agriculture. Labour would now argue | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
it has to ministers overseeing farming, the Environment Minister | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
will be in charge of many aspects of rural Wales and animal health. | :47:06. | :47:13. | |
He will announce if the existing policy on bovine tuberculosis will | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
continue or change. He and the First Minister voted for a badger | :47:17. | :47:25. | |
cull in the past. According to last week's opinion poll it is unpopular | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
with two-thirds of the public. Responsibility for other divisive | :47:28. | :47:38. | |
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topics in farming will sit with Alan Davies - Alun Davies. So an | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
industry... farmers and their two vocal unions favour food production | :47:55. | :48:03. | |
has been their primary duty. The tide with in that the European | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
Union is to pursue an increasingly environment agenda with climate | :48:07. | :48:13. | |
change is seen to be crucial. Alan Davies will represent Wales in | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
Brussels as long as he is allowed to because it is to UK not wills | :48:19. | :48:28. | |
that is a member state. The CAP is being discussed - discussed now. | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
The impact of those talks will impact many thousands of farms | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
across Wales. How will farms cope with having less support and more | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
regulation? Gareth Vaughan stands down as the | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
President of the Farmers' Union of Wales at their Annual General | :48:43. | :48:50. | |
Meeting next Friday, this morning he's in our Aberystwyth studio. As | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
you prepare to hand over the reins, what would you say are the main | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
challenges facing the farming sector? They have been outlined | :48:58. | :49:08. | |
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very well there. The CAP reform is that the greatest concern. We are | :49:09. | :49:15. | |
or a little concerned about what we hear that are 1300 amendments | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
tabled, someone who has got to spend a lot of time sifting through | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
these amendments, we are concerned about comments made by the | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
government in Westminster. paint a worrying picture of the | :49:29. | :49:36. | |
payments that could come down to Welsh farmers. How could that | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
adversely affect her the lives of farmers in Wales? It is our income. | :49:42. | :49:48. | |
It is a payment made to farmers for producing food. If the payments go, | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
a housewife will have to make up that deficit because farmers can | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
produce for less. We have a very high cost base in this country and | :49:59. | :50:07. | |
we must meet those costs in order to produce food. Our duty is to | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
produce food primarily. Hand in hand with looking after the | :50:11. | :50:20. | |
environment, which is what we have done. I think our priority must be | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
to encourage to be just farmers to produce food. It is said to one of | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
the possibilities for the future will be payments will be more | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
directed toward those who care for the environment rather than produce | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
food. Surely that is the right thing when climate change is such a | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
major concern worldwide. I except that it is vitally important. My | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
argument would be if you look at the environment through your window | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
today in Wales, it is doing very well. I think farmers have cared | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
very well for the Environment, hand in hand with producing food. That | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
is the emphasis we must have going forward. You must continue to | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
produce food. We have an increasing population throughout the world, | :51:11. | :51:19. | |
large areas of the world drying out. We have got to produce food in | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
Wales in the wetter west and we - where we have adequate rainfall and | :51:24. | :51:31. | |
we can produce a very well. Let's talk about the proposed badger cull. | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
There is a new government now, a Labour administration. What would | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
your message be to them in terms of dealing with tuberculosis? We would | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
hope that we can deal with it wisely. We are aware that trials in | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
the past where badgers have been culled have had a dramatic effect | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
on tuberculosis in those areas. We think it is vital that the cull | :51:57. | :52:02. | |
goes forward, for the benefit of the cattle and the remaining badger | :52:02. | :52:10. | |
population. There are large areas of Wales that have no tuberculosis. | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
The badgers there as well as the cattle must be protected. I think a | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
cull of diseased badgers in infected sets is vital. We will be | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
talking to the deputy minister shortly. He is not a member of the | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
cabinets. Is that this was a disappointment? It is a | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
disappointment. On the other hand, having worked closely with Alan | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
Davies in the past he has shown to have a knowledge of agricultural | :52:41. | :52:47. | |
issues and the countryside. He was chairman of the Rural Committee in | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
the previous assembly and did a very good job and work closely with | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
the industry at that time. We thank him for that and look forward to | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
working with him closely in the future. Thank you very much indeed. | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
Joining me in studio is the new Deputy Minister for Agriculture, | :53:02. | :53:10. | |
Alun Davies. Congratulations on your appointment. Becoming a deputy | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
minister does not what have the same ring to it as becoming a | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
minister. That must be a disappointment to you. I was | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
pleased to be appointed. Agriculture and these matters need | :53:23. | :53:33. | |
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to have a voice in government. There are only 11 ministers in the | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
Government's - governments. I'll be in London tomorrow speaking to | :53:39. | :53:49. | |
DEFRA, I'll be in Brussels next week representing the industry, | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
speaking up for the industry. I don't worry about job titles. | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
people in this industry to worry because we have just heard from - | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
heard from the Farmers' Union who has said it is a disappointment | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
that there is no room in the Cabinet to represent their sector. | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
He also set about the agenda facing farmers and the need to insure that | :54:11. | :54:19. | |
we have a strong voice representing Wales were ever decisions are taken. | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
The key issue here is having a minister with the a authority, the | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
ability to stand up for the industry in Wales and so take that | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
message to whenever it needs to be taken. Tomorrow Albion London, next | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
week Brussels. I will fight hard for this industry. The comments | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
that Gareth made about future challenges are central to what I'll | :54:44. | :54:54. | |
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be doing in the next few years. Let's talk about CAP payments. Your | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
predecessor in January described the Welsh farming sector as none of | :54:59. | :55:05. | |
viable without CAP payments. Do you share her opinion on the importance | :55:05. | :55:12. | |
of these payments? Absolutely. It is important that we use CAP to | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
create an prosperous industry in Wales. But we used the opportunity | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
we have now a in these negotiations to insure that the payments that | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
are made to farmers helped sustain the industry, helped make the | :55:26. | :55:33. | |
industry profitable and enable us to produce food. I am bewildered | :55:33. | :55:39. | |
sometimes when we hear it this contradiction created between plant | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
management and then food production. I don't see any contradiction there. | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
Farmers have always been custodians of our environment and have done a | :55:49. | :55:59. | |
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great job. If the emphasis went from bomb macro the key issue is | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
food production. We need farmers to produce food. Garrett was right | :56:07. | :56:17. | |
about the challenges facing the sector, and the whole world. I can | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
see any reason why we would not want to continue to produce the | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
fabulous figure we produce. They are against a switch in emphasis, | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
you're not? I don't see it contradiction between the two | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
objectives. We produce fabulous food in Wales and I want us to see | :56:35. | :56:42. | |
us continuing doing that. industry is what not 0.5 per cent | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
of GDP to the Welsh economy. It comes under the remit of the Edwina | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
Hart. She is not really going to think that this industry is the | :56:52. | :56:58. | |
make or break for the wealth of the station, is she? Myself and have we | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
met spent most of Friday discussing this issue. It wean there is | :57:02. | :57:09. | |
absolutely committed to the agenda that Gareth outlined earlier. The | :57:09. | :57:16. | |
food industry in Wales underpins rural communities. It underpins an | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
industry that is enormously important, not just simply in terms | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
of wealth generation but as an emblematic industry that is part of | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
our identity as a nation. It is hugely important to us and it won't | :57:29. | :57:36. | |
be let down by this government. Thank you very much indeed. And | :57:36. | :57:39. |