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Welcome to The Record. The headlines... The Health Secretary


defends the watering down of changes to the NHS in England. The


Government scraps plans to force councils to collect rubbish every


week. But Labour's unimpressed. Will she apologised to families who


have been led up the garden path by what she has said? And as a


drought's declared in parts of England how about a national grid


for water? The Government has unveiled big changes to its


controversial plans for the NHS in England. It's accepted


recommendations from a panel of health experts known as the "Future


Forum". Ahead of the announcement in the Commons the Prime Minister,


Deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary visited a central London


hospital to meet staff and patients. It's part of their latest attempts


to show they have listened to the concerns of health professionals


and those who use the NHS. In the Commons, the Health Secretary


announced the changes to the Bill which the government had put on


hold while it consulted on the plans. I have always said a One


there to be no decision about me without make for patients when it


comes to their own care. -- without me. Order. Let's hear the statement


So we will further clarify the duties on the NHS commissioning


Board and clinical commissioning groups to involve patients, carers


and the public. Commissioning groups will have to consult the


public on their annual commissioning plans and involve


them in any changes that would affect patients' services. One of


the main ways patients will influence the NHS will be through


the exercise will informed choice. We will amend the Bill to


strengthen and that the size commissioners duty to promote


patient choice. Choice of any qualified provide will be limited


to those areas where there is a national, or local tariff. It will


ensure competition is based solely on quality. This tariff development


alongside a best-value approach to tended services will save guard


against cherry-picking -- attended. It all protect and promote the


interests of patients, we will remove its duty to promote


competition as though that where an end in itself. Instead it will be


under a duty to support services integrated around the needs of


patients and the continuous improvement of quality. Through the


recommendations of the NHS future forum and our response we have


demonstrated a willingness to To make big changes, not abandon


the principles of reform which the forum themselves said were


supported across the service, but to be clear the NHS is too


important and modernisation to vital for us not be sure of getting


the legislation right. Humiliating. The health secretary has had health


policy taken out of his hands. He has spent the last nine months


telling anyone who criticised the government's health plans that they


were wrong and that they did not understand. Today he admits he is


wrong. How can he argue this blueprint for the biggest


reorganisation in chess history with any credibility, or integrity


-- NHS history? The man Who mistook so badly last year telling us how


you will mess up next year, too. -- he will. Does the Secretary of


State not recognise that by pretending to produce a


collaborative Silk purse out of competitive pigs areas will not


work? The government's response has satisfied 70 per cent of the demand


for changes on the list. It is seemingly not enough, clearly


cannot be enough, because ironically it is the list of


amendments tabled by the Labour Party during the committee stage.


Why does he think it is so hard to build consensus and why are the


Labour Party being given amendments they asked for and being so


pointlessly churlish? I have to tell my honourable friend There are


many things beyond many of us to understand. One of them is the


Labour Party and the way in which they approach a policy. This is


clear evidence of a listening government. Is the Secretary of


State -- does the Secretary of State agree with me that what the


NHS now meets is a consensus across all political parties and for


everybody to put their money where their mouth is and support the NHS


and these changes as we move forward? Does the Secretary of


State on the stammer when the Labour government was empowered


increase the money from 33 billion to 111 billion in one Derek -- won


decade. And now we are witnessing, at a cost of �2 billion, a new


Frankenstein monster all to pacify a these liberals and Judas with


their 80 pieces of silver. I have a mission for the honourable


gentleman, I think he should have to Wales because in England this


coalition government has committed to increase in NHS Budget in real


terms in the light of this Parliament, the King's Fund


reported the other week that in Wales a Labour Government is


intending to reduce in real terms the NHS Budget by over eight per


cent. I welcome the changes that were announced today and I welcome


the right thing. But I am very concerned that the bureaucracy that


will be around after all these changes goes through could be worse


than what we have at the moment. I genuinely would like to be


reassured on that. I'm grateful to the honourable lady for a support


for the majority of these recommendations. The bureaucracy


will reduce in the NHS as a consequence of all this, for one


simple reason, because we are shifting the ownership of


commissioning and the responsibility for the design and


delivery of services from what is essentially a distant managerial


organisation into one that is locked into the clinical decision-


making of doctors and nurses across the service. What we have now is in


danger of being a dog's breakfast. How much has this cost the UK


taxpayer so far this reorganisation? Listening exercise


to date on 14th June has cost �36,640.97. The process of


modernisation in the NHS is saving hundreds of millions of pounds


every month. A few minutes earlier, Labour MPs


had been gleeful about what they saw as another humiliating U-turn


by Ministers, this one over rubbish. The Government's decided it won't,


after all, force local councils in England to go back to weekly bin


collections following the decision of many of them to remove rubbish


from houses on a fortnightly basis. The change to less frequent


collections has proved unpopular with some but the previous


government insisted it would boost We will make it easier for people


to recycle and tackle measures introduced by the last government


which encouraged councils are specifically to cut the scope of


collections. We will remove the criminal sanctions applying to


householders so that households are not menaced for simple mistakes.


Labour turned its fire on the Communities Secretary, Eric Pickles.


Before the election it was said it was a basic right for every English


man and woman to be able to put the remnant of their chicken tikka


masala in their been without having to wait a fortnight for it to be


collected. -- in their bin. Perhaps the Secretary of State could


explain why the government position has changed. It is a bit rich


coming from the opposition who had 13 years to get to grips with


landfill. It could, if it wanted, have got on and burnt wood,


materials, textiles if it had so chosen to do. I fear the opposition


is still in denial about the dreadful economic legacy it has


left. We is unacceptable to have rotting food waste hanging around


for up to a fortnight in bins. Would she tell councils hopefully


they will release have a weekly collection? I said a response to an


earlier collection -- question from the right honourable lady that we


believe it is important to support local authorities are want to


provide a weekly collection of the smelly part of the waste and death


row will make available �10 million to assist them in that. -- DEFRA.


Why is she so selfishly hanging onto this which she could have led


the community Secretary... I might remind the honourable gentleman


that we are a coalition government, a government of two parties... And


he might like to read the coalition agreement's commitment which is


that the government would work towards a zero waste economy and


encourage councils to pay people to recycle and the Jews littering and


measures to promote a huge increase in energy from waste through our


digestion as set out in our review today. Five years ago the


Conservatives made the same promise over weekly collections, then break


it. Now they have spent too 0.5 million with their Lib Dem friends


on a complicated recycling scheme with 10 different bins, boxes and


bags which has turned Newcastle into a curiosity. It could not now


afford to reinstate... Order. I did appeal for short questions. A


sentence. Isn't that government's pickle over this reflective...


think the most important message is that the government is trying to


make it easier for people to do the right thing. So whether you are at


home trying to deal with your household refuge, -- refused, at


work, or on the go, we must make it easier to waste less and recycle


more. I thank my right honourable friend for the flexibility, in


contrast to my right honourable friend ahead of me. My local


authority of works with the private sector, they provide a two weekly


service but a weekly food waste. The key factor has been a


flexibility of a good contract with the private sector. Would she not


agree as local authorities who have been dogmatic about not using


competitive tendering should be again? It is all very well behind -


- hiding behind the language of local choices, her government


promised they would bring back weedy Bin collections across the


country. -- of Wheatley bin collections. -- weekly bin


collections. I made it clear the coalition consists of two parties


who struck an agreement. It included provisions on waste which


we are fulfilling today. I said that had clearly.


Legislation designed to improve pupil behaviour and give schools in


England greater "autonomy" has had its first airing in the Lords.


Approved by the Commons last month, a key provision of the Education


Bill is that all new schools should be academies which are publicly-


funded but free from state control. Labour gave notice that it would be


challenging several measures in the Bill while a Liberal Democrat said


It is the rather lifeless word. We want outstanding heads and teachers


to be free to use their experience to do what is best for the children.


In legislation, there is a danger that we sometimes prescribed


everything. The difficulty with that in polls is that the effect


over time is to soak up the system and make professionals feel


constrained in exercising their judgment on the ground. We believe


that teachers need the authority to search for items which could be


brought into school to cause harm or injury. We also propose to give


them the power to search for and confiscate items banned under


school rules. Had there was also in the ancient of unfair allegations


been made by pupils against teachers. When a people or someone


on their behalf alleges the teacher has caused an offence. Alongside


legislation that we would like to pit in place so that these


incidents are dealt with quickly, up these measures will hopefully


provide better support for teachers. At the time when the debate is


about trying to drive up academic standards and spread out resources


freely, at this bill fails to meet the challenge. Instead it seeks to


redefine the relationship between schools, parents and local


communities, gives diminished responsibility and, as such, there


is plenty in this bill to give us cause for concern. She also


criticised the idea of new academies. The idea has been turned


on its head. Now, every school will be encouraged to become an academy.


It means by 2050, we could have an all a Academy world. 20,000 schools


all with their own admission policy. Schools will have the clear


incentive to admit the most able students and with the in weekend


adjudicator and greater competition between schools, backdoor selection


becomes more likely. Such a world could be a dangerous place for less


academic children or those with special needs. Can sense were also


feared about other concerns. It is about the trust about preparing a


child for its future life in the workplace. I have concerns about


training and I will be raising these as the bill progresses.


think the Government could make the mistake of thinking that a child's


education only takes place in school. From birth onwards, a child


is learning and yet a full-time educator spends less than 30 % of


its making hours in school. Yet one who sponsors the Academy spoke of


his experience. It is ironic that I should be an Academy sponsor, given


that I played truant for six months! Therefore, I do have


something in common with those who feel a bit disenfranchised and I


left school with only a couple of all levels. Lord Edmiston there,


making his first speech in the House of Lords.


A former Tory minister says the government should consider a


"national grid" for water. Lord Glenarthur's comments come after a


state of drought was declared in parts of England following the


driest spring on record. Many areas of the South and East


have turned dry and dusty after months with little rain. The recent


showers in parts of England have done little to help farmers worried


about the impact on their crops. The subject came up at Lords


Questions, when a former Plaid Cymru leader raised comments by the


Lord Mayor of London. The that the shortages of water in London might


be helped by a making large reservoirs in Wales, up fund will


buy it channels of canals. Could he reassure us that that is not the


case? I was not aware of this proposal. We heard from the side


opposite that Wales has had its fair share and parts of Scotland


have certainly had their fair share. Has any work been done to try and


work out a way of transporting water more nationally to a areas


which are suffering, which as my colleague Lord Cathcart so


constituency is. Add good deal of water has already transferred


within the United Kingdom. There are some longer links. There are


indeed links between what are ways in the veins and Essex. There are


regulatory regimes and the will talk to them to see if there are


ways we're trading of water can be done between companies. They are


the key companies at the centre of this.


Foreign Secretary William Hague has told MPs he is pressing for


humanitarian help to be given to Syrians attacked by their own


military. Mr Hague told the Commons he was


due to meet the foreign minister of Turkey and would raise the issue


then. He said Turkey was Syria's closest foreign neighbour.


People are heading for the country's borders and hoping to


flee, amid reports that 1,000 Syrians have been killed since the


start of demonstrations and violence in the country.


There has been widespread international condemnation of the


regime of Syria's President Assad, which has used force to suppress


the protests. In the Commons, MPs asked what was being done by the


international community. The Syrian government continues to use it


unacceptable violence against brought democracy protesters. They


have launched offences against the range of villages and we have


reports of large military build-ups in other towns. There are credible


reports that over 1,000 people have been killed since the beginning of


the protests. This violence is unacceptable and must top. I thank


the Foreign Secretary for his answer, but a bit like to know if


there is any progress on the Red Cross getting access to help


civilians who have been attacked? That is a good question and, sadly,


the answer is No. This was discussed a few days ago with the


Red Cross and one of the things we have called on the Syrian


government to let in his humanitarian access. This remains a


work prime consideration in Syria. I will discuss this with the


Turkish Foreign Minister and see what can be done more to work with


Turkey, Syria's closest neighbour. The House will be aware that 5,000


refugees have registered on the border. This evening, he will be


speaking to the newly elected Turkish government about the


situation in Syria. Kenny inform the House how hard he will be if


pressing Turkey, who have European Union aspirations, how they will


approach this question mark yes, I will of course be doing this and


the Prime Minister has already talked to the new Prime Minister of


Turkey since the general election was decided last week. Turkey,


despite the general election campaign, has been spending a lot


of time and effort trying to persuade Turkey - - Syria to adopt


a more neutral approach to this. William Hague there. And the main


news again... The Health Secretary has confirmed


major changes to the government's health reforms in England. GPs will


no longer be solely responsible for commissioning care and competition


will not be imposed by a new health care regulator. It follows a two-


month consultation and review by an independent panel of experts.


Three mobile phone companies have told MPs they have not contacted


customers whose mobile phones may have been hacked. In evidence to


the Commons Home Affairs Committee, representatives from Vodafone,


Orange and T-Mobile said they had not told their customers in case


they disrupted a police investigation. O2 did tell


customers, after first clearing it with police. But eyebrows were


raised at what the committee chair suggested could be seen as a


complacent attitude. We estimate that there are about 40 victims on


the Vodafone network, but what we have not seen is the information


that the police hold. So we cannot wait get an exact figure yet. We


have been working with the police on this. We provided the police


with the information that they asked for and in order not to


jeopardise any police inquiry, we did not inform customers. Was there


not an assumption by the police that you would have contacted the


victims? That is not the case, no. We work closely with the


Metropolitan Police in all cases so that we would not jeopardise their


inquiry. He did not ask for you to contact the customers? Nor, they


did not say that. Nobody involved in the case at the time has any Rec


Polish chain of as being asked to contact the victims. We needed


decision to tell our customers. We did contact the customers. How do


you find out who the where? We went back through records so that we


could work out who would be affected. So you did not wait for


the police to give you the go- ahead? You simply went through your


own records and did it? Yes, that is the case. And what did you tell


them? We told them that there was a criminal investigation ongoing, so


we could not tell them a lot more at that stage. We informed the


customers of that. We had a list of customers who we thought might have


been affected and we put together a team who contacted them and spoke


to them and said, this is what we believe may have happened. Nor, we


were under the impression that we could not get in touch with


customers because it could affect a police operation. So you were not


told not to contact the customers? Nor, we believe that there are a


number of circumstances in which that could prejudice an inquiry and


we would not want to do that. are the circumstances of that?


There are people who it they will work with in companies where other


people are holding their phones for them and things like that. But is


that not rather a complacent attitude, that there was this


allegations off for hiking and your company did nothing? No, I do not


think so. We did not want to prejudice any police investigation.


Now, we have been hearing about this in relation to the stars and


celebrities. Did it come as any surprise that you found out that


this had been taking place? I think at that time, the industry was not


aware of the problem. Sometimes, you get word through the industry


that there could be a weakness and the problem. But there was nothing


like that this time. Representatives of some of our


major mobile companies there, appearing before MPs in the row


over phone hacking. And that is it for now, but do join me at the same


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