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Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

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As the row over our membership of the EU hots up, peers

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Not our local councils, not our own families or football

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clubs, not even your Lordships' house.

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Does that mean we should opt out of them, too?

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I have come to the conclusion that the European Union

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in its present form is a flawed and failing project.

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MPs hear calls to change the laws on prostitution.

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Prostitution is one of a form of violence against women

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but the problem is our laws do not yet

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And as the government announces it's pausing a bill to give more powers

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to the Welsh Assembly, we talk to one expert who thinks

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it's back to the drawing board for the Secretary of State.

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This is not just going to be tinkering with the draft bill,

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this is going to be a very significant,

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David Cameron has called for a respectful debate in the

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run-up to the EU referendum - but as the week has gone on

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there have been increasing signs of acrimony between the IN

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Those who favour leaving have accused those who want

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The Chancellor George Osborne is strongly in favour

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At the start of the week, he appeared in the Commons

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for Treasury questions fresh from a meeting of the G20 leading economies

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in China, after which finance ministers warned of a "shock"

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to the global economy if the UK left the EU.

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The Chancellor told MPs the Treasury would publish a cost-benefit

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analysis of the UK's continued membership -

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What people are asking for in this referendum campaign is a serious,

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sober and principled assessment from the government,

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And I can announce today that the Treasury will publish,

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before the 23rd of June, a comprehensive

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analysis of our membership of a reformed EU and the alternatives.

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It will include the long-term economic

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cost and benefits of EU membership and the risks associated

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Those who wish us to stay in the European Union say on one

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hand we are an insignificant and too small an economy to stand

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on our own, but on the other hand, if we

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leave the European Union, it will cause an economic meltdown

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Well, our argument is that we will be stronger,

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Next day at Prime Minister's Questions, the SNP's Westminster

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leader urged David Cameron to make a positive case for staying in.

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Millions of UK citizens live elsewhere in the European Union.

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European decisions have helped the environment,

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reducing sulphur dioxide emissions by nine tenths,

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relations between 28 EU member states happens often imperfectly

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but through dialogue and agreement, which surely is a huge improvement

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on confrontations and walls of the past.

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Will the Prime Minister concentrate on the positive

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arguments for EU membership and reject the approach of

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I think the fundamental point he makes is one

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But we should never forget, when we sit round a table,

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that just 70 years ago, these countries were

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murdering each other on the continent of Europe.

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Meanwhile, Whitehall's top mandarin tried to reassure MPs

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that civil servants will not refuse to pass facts and information

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to ministers who want to leave the European Union.

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Eurosceptic MPs were angry at plans to withhold some documents

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from ministers backing the out campaign.

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Appearing before the Public Administration Committee,

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Sir Jeremy Heywood said the job of the civil service was to support

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the government - so civil servants were obliged to back

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But, questioned by the committee's chairman, he insisted

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that the restrictions were very limited.

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Can I just clarify, why, in your letter, you said,

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"It will not be permissible or appropriate for the civil service

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to support ministers who oppose the government's official

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position by providing briefing or speech material on this matter.

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This includes access to official departmental papers.

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Excepting papers that ministers have previously seen on issues relating

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to the referendum question prior to the suspension of the collective

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What papers do not intend them to see?

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So, only briefings and speech material?

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I can't rule out maybe other things...

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OK, in the Q, "They can see or commission

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any papers produced by the Department in the normal way

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except those have a bearing on the referendum question

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or are intended to be used in support of their

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That only applies to briefings and speech material?

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That is the material we are talking about.

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Facts are dealt with in a different paragraph.

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What a breath of fresh air. I couldn't agree more.

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We might be able to shorten this whole session.

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That would be a pleasure. It would.

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Meanwhile down the corridor in the Lords, peers had their chance

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to debate the arguments about our EU membership.

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Once the die is cast, there will be no turning back.

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We cannot leave the European Union and for economic and

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trade purposes be treated as if we are still in it.

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That is the inescapable fact of what we are facing.

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The case for getting out seems to me to rest on a strangely

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old-fashioned view of sovereignty, almost a Victorian view

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The days when all power rested in the nation state.

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I suspect there is more power resting on the global stage today

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that affects the lives of ordinary citizens than is invested

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in the institutions of the nation state, like ourselves.

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Not our local councils, not our own families or football

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clubs, not even your Lordships' house.

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Does that mean we should opt out of those, also?

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My Lords committee EU does need reform, which is why we need to be

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right there on the pitch as a key player, not

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sitting in the stands, moaning as a spectator and suffering

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The problem is that we are not, and cannot be, on the sidelines.

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Whether we like it or not, we are on, and will remain on,

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We therefore have a vested interest in helping to deliver

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I have come to the conclusion that the

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European Union in its present form is a flawed and failing project

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which is making its inhabitants poorer than they should and need

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be, and because it is failing, contrary

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to what is being said by some of your Lordships this afternoon,

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To which European country to re-export the most?

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Germany, with whom we have a huge trade deficit.

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The UK is the only EU member states that sells

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more outside the EU than to other members.

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The Eu, because of the conflicting demands of 28 members,

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have still not concluded a trade deal with the States.

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How much easier it would be for the UK to do it on its own?

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After all, Peru and Australia have such deals.

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To Prime Minister's Questions where the Labour leader turned

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to the government's promises on childcare.

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The Conservative manifesto pledged 30 hours of free care to working

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parents of three- and four-year-olds in England.

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Today, Mr Speaker, the National Audit Office

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confirms that one third of families promised 30 hours free childcare

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The report also warns that many childcare providers

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are not offering the new entitlement due to insufficient funding.

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There are 41,00 three-year-olds missing out

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on free early education as a result of this.

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Will the Prime Minister intervene and ensure those children get

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We want all these children to have the start in life

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they deserve and I'm glad he mentioned the National Audit

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Let me read some of the things it said.

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"The department has successfully implemented entitlement to free

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childcare for three- and four-year-olds with almost

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universal take-up of hours offered to parents."

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David Cameron went on to ridicule what he said was Labour's

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..his latest economic adviser, pne Mr Yanis Varoufakis!

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He was the Greek Finance Minister, who left his economy in ruins!

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That is Labour's policy in two words, " Acropolis now".

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The Home Affairs Committee is investigating whether it's time

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Some of the activities around prostitution are illegal -

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such as kerb-crawling or soliciting on the streets.

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But the act of exchanging money for sex is legal.

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Campaigners say the people who buy sex should be criminalised.

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MPs heard some powerful testimony from a woman who was a sex worker

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The rape and violence, is horrendous.

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You know, three rapes, one gang rape which happened inside.

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I can't fathom how any government would

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sanction an industry that, and the only way to...

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I was beaten, abused and raped by buyers.

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Removing them or making them a small amount,

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do you what I mean, does not make it more dangerous.

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Prostitution is one of the forms of violence against women

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but the problem is, our laws do not yet reflect that

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because overwhelmingly at present, the burden of commonality falls

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And I think we all agreed that that is wrong.

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Women who are exploited through prostitution

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Nobody selling sex should be criminalised for it.

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But what we need to do, as a society, is send a message

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to the minority of men in this country, because most men do not pay

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for sex, but we do need to send a message to that minority,

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that it is not acceptable way to treat another person and we know

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that the threat of coronal sanctions are Reiki method for discouraging

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-- are a key method. For discouraging

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But an alternative view was offered by another witness.

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Do you believe that we should change the law on prostitution?

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Do you think it is ready to be changed?

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Yes, I do believe the law on prostitution

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should be changed, but perhaps not in the manner in which the committee

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We, as sex workers, are seeking the right

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to work together for safety and in doing so,

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to increase our labour rights as well, as workers.

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At present, the sex industry is the only industry in the UK that

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I can think of which compels me, as a woman, to work alone

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and leaves me wide open to attack from predators

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I should just say at this point that I witnessed first

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hand while I was working on the street, the effects

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of further criminalisation In 1993 and precious police resources

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were driven away from looking after us to

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chasing down the clients and the levels of violence

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against sex workers went through the roof.

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In Ipswich in 2006, five prostitutes were murdered

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by Steven Wright in the space of a few months.

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Leading the police investigation was Detective Superintendent Alan Caton.

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Now retired, he thinks buying sex should be illegal.

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and all of the women who were working on the streets

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of Ipswich at the time were drug addicted.

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When we spoke to those women, they were

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Using drugs before they went out on the street

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in order to face what they were doing.

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None of the women I spoke to, certainly, would have said

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that was their choice, they would want to get

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Most of the men, when you spoke to the men, why do they do it,

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it's because they can do things that they

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These are predominantly married men, men with

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partners, men with children, who feel they can go out and exploit

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Alan Caton concluded that prostitution cannot be made safe -

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it was an inherently dangerous activity.

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on hold - after widespread criticism of the draft Wales Bill.

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A new Bill is now expected in the summer.

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The move came just ahead of Saint David's Day -

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when the Assembly itself was marking the tenth anniversary of its move

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10 years ago this week, the Queen was at Cardiff Bay to open

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the new Senedd building, a decade on and

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the issue of what powers the Welsh Labour should have

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On Monday the Welsh Secretary announced

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publication of the Welsh bill after the draft was criticised

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I think it is right we take the time to get the detail correct.

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We have had four months of vigorous and lively debate

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about the contents of the draft bill, it would be odd to say I am

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pressing ahead without making changes which a lot of people have

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said need to be made to make sure we get a clearer and favoured

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devolution settlement for the people of Wales.

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A contentious test for legislation will be scrapped.

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The list of reserve powers will be cut.

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The final bill will not be published before elections in May.

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I know no more about the Secretary of State intentions than what has

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appeared in the press, the Welsh Government was not

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informed about the content of the announcement nor

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was there any follow-up communication.

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If this to be any progress with this bill, it must be a bill made

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In the Commons on Tuesday, Saint David's

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day, one MP called for a further devolution of power,

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In 550 AD, at a raucous meeting of the Synod Welsh church

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Saint David found it difficult to make himself heard and placed

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a cloth on the ground from which came a raised mound

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This St David miracle put the village on the map

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long before the contemporary David of Little Britain fame.

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There was always the possibility of Saint

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David's day becoming a bank holiday in Wales.

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He won the right to take forward his bill but without

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government support, it will not become law.

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David Cameron was keen to give his backing to Stephen Crabb

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he mentioned Aston Martin opening a factory in S Wales.

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We will have a James Bond car made in Wales, all we need now

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The Secretary of State looks a bit like Russell

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David Cameron - with a suggestion for the new James Bond!

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So what was wrong with the draft Wales Bill?

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I spoke to academic and policy advisor, Alan Trench,

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who runs the blog Devolution Matters.

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The draft Wales Bill was published last October and it ran pretty

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immediately into a storm of criticism.

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Saying that it was unworkable in all sorts of ways.

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It would have meant a reduction in the

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It was unduly complicated and would have led to what the First Minister

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called an English veto for many Welsh

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It was the case that little of the legislation passed

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in the assembly in the past five years

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could have been passed if the new bill had been in force.

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So the bill is not now going to be published

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until May which will be after the elections,

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near the end of the session of Parliament, is it a problem

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It is not a problem, it is a problem that the Secretary

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of State has committed to bring it on in May

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rather than later because what needs to be changed is extensive.

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It is not clear how hard Whitehall has

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been thinking about those changes since October,

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since they realised the difficulties and realised the magnitude

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This will not just be tinkering with the draft bill,

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this will be a far reaching reconstruction.

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You have been told, go back to the drawing

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The Secretary of State is clear about most of the things which need

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to be done, the question is how they are done and how they affect

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other aspects of how devolution works and

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The proposition is that everything is devolved to the Welsh assembly

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unless it says specifically it is for Westminster?

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Yes, that is what the draft Bill said which causes serious problems.

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He will need to find a way through that.

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One option for that might be to schedule the powers which can't

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be given without consent so that if there are other powers

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which are left intact for the time being they

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can be altered by the National Assembly.

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The second problem will be how you deal with the territorial limits

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of what the National Assembly can do because the assembly will have power

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to legislate which may have an effect

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The answer to that is to say there will be a working group

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to look at the legal relationship between England and Wales.

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We will see what that working group comes up

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My own view has been what I call a distinct jurisdiction

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is the best way to resolve those difficulties.

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Are we edging to a situation where Wales ends up with powers

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which are the same as the Scottish Parliament or are we still million

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We're still quite a long way away from

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that for several reasons, one is that the which are being

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the powers which are being discussed still fall some way short

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Those have been expanded significantly

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Partly through the Scotland act 2012 and the Scotland

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In particular police and criminal justice are not

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There is a debate about whether they should be.

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It was recommended by the Silk Commission

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It is not part of the present discussion

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Is that the direction of travel and what people in Wales want?

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It looks like it is the direction of travel but is that

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Broadly speaking they are supporters of devolution and want more of it.

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That was indicated clearly by the referendum in March

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2011 which gave the assembly is present lawmaking powers.

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Whether they want the sort of powers that

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are currently being discussed for Scotland is another question.

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There is little support for independence

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Thank you very much indeed for coming into the programme.

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Now let's look further afield - with our countdown of the stories

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which have been making the news across the political

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asking for her Majesty to have her name changed to Crossrail.

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Eat your heart out Philip Davies, he is a mere

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South Korean lawmakers ended a filibuster

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Tracksuits are the hot tip for spring from London Fashion Week

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which is lucky for Jeremy Corbyn who said his green number

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Frontbenchers better keep it concise when Speaker Bercow is in charge.

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Sit down, long-winded and unnecessary.

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An entire David Bowie parody album has been made about Nicola Sturgeon.

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Including the sensational Patrick Harvie band.

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With a few of the more surreal political stories of the week!

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Now back to Westminster where the battle of wills

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over changes to some benefits payments continued.

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Ministers want to reduce ESA Payments to those who have been

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ruled unfit to work by ?30 a week for some new claimants.

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On Monday, peers supported a demand that the change should not go ahead

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until the impact on claimants' finances and mental wellbeing

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But when the bill went back to the Commons, ministers accused

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the Lords of "overstepping the mark" by seeking to delay a key element

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And MPs voted by a majority of 35 to remove the requirement

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The bill will now go back to the Lords again!

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In the Commons there were calls for an independent cross-party

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commission into how to stop young people being drawn into gangs.

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MPs warned that gangs are widening their net

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into provincial towns, that the level of violence

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is getting worse and gang members are getting younger.

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They called for a new understanding of a problem that involves complex

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social issues including deprivation, domestic abuse and fear.

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Last year we had Basildon, Grimsby, Harrow, High Wycombe,

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Southampton, Swindon, what is going on here?

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Something which was urban, and inner-city has now become

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incredibly suburban.

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Murders which were traditionally black can become white.

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The Health and Safety Executive has censured the Ministry of Defence

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over the deaths of three soldiers in 2013 on an SAS training exercise.

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The Executive said that, but for Crown Immunity,

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125 service personnel died on training exercises between 2000

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The armed forces minister told a commons committee deaths

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were often due to policy not being followed, or the wrong people

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I am confident sitting in front of you today

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although there are still inquiries going into some incidents,

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that where we have identified why a particular thing was not followed

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or why a particular individual was not conducting that aspect

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that those measures have been identified and are being addressed.

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England sports fans are going to have to stick

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to God Save the Queen after an attempt to bring

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in an English sporting anthem fell in the Commons.

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A Labour MP, Toby Perkins, tried to bring in a bill to give

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England fans a distinct rallying tune - instead of having to the use

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On Friday the time for debate ran out before MPs got to the bill -

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meaning Mr Perkins plan now stands no realistic chance of becoming law.

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Finally: The Government's been urged to do more to promote the "circular

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economy", cutting waste by repairing and recycling products rather

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Peers called on ministers to encourage consumers to reject

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the "throw away" society and cut "landfill mountains".

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And one had her own thrifty suggestion.

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Ways of doing things which may come naturally to us need to be shared

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with the new generation who find it easier to chuck than reuse.

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When I was a girl growing up before tights

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were invented we were taught to darn our own stockings.

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I now use laddered tights, clean ones, my lords,

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to filter pips when making marmalade.

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Which pithy solution brings us to the end of this edition

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of the programme - but do join Kristiina Cooper

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on Monday night at 11 for another round up of the day

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here at Westminster - including debate on the Policing

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