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Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

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As the implications of Brexht sink in - in Westminster,

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I am clear, and the Cabinet agreed this morning, that the decision must

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be accepted and the process of implementing the decision

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in the best possible way must now begin.

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The United Kingdom will not be the last member state

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It is my responsibility to dnsure that Scotland's voice is he`rd

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We'll be rounding up reaction in all the UK's Parliaments

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and Assemblies and speaking to a constitutional expert on just

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how hard it's going to be for Westminster to decouple

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This is going to be the biggest show in

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It's been a week unlike any that Westminster watchers can relember.

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A whirlwhind of drama, recrimination and division that

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started with the simple act of millions of people

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Confirmation that the UK had voted to Leave the EU came just after 7

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o'clock in the morning on Friday the 24th.

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It was close - 52% wanting to leave and 48% to stay.

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The result defied the pollsters and the bookies.

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Campaigners for what became known as Brexit were delighted -

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those who wanted to remain were equally were astonished

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With the result confirmed, the Prime Minister -

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who'd campaigned to stay in - announced his resignation s`ying

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I will do everything I can `s Prime Minister to steady the ship but it

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would not be right for me to try to be the captain that steers the

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country to its next destination Across London Boris Johnson -

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leading light in the Leave campaign The Bank of England Governor made

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a statement to try to steadx nerves around the world -

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but the market and pound tulbled On Monday, after a weekend

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to reflect, the prime minister came With permission, Mr Speaker,

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I would like to make a statdment The British people have votdd

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to leave the European Union. It was not the result I wanted,

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nor the outcome that I belidve But there can be no doubt

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about the result. Of course, I don't take back

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what I said about the risks, it is going to be difficult,

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we have already seen that there are going to be

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adjustments within our economy, complex constitutional issuds,

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and challenging new negotiation But I'm clear, and the Cabinet

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agreed this morning, that the decision must be accepted

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and the process of implementing the decision in the best

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possible way must now begin. Whilst many in the Conservative

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party were still reeling from the result and David C`meron's

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decision to go - Jeremy Corbyn was resisting calls for him

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to take his share of responsibility for the Remain side's failure -

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and quit as leader Responding to the statement

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he took a swipe at the And the country will thank neither

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the benches in front of me nor those behind for indulging

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in internal faction Mr Speaker, we have serious matters

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to discuss in this House Those cries of "resign" a foretaste

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of what was to come as one by one members of Jeremy Corbyn's team

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quit their posts. Until eventually the majority

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of his front bench team had gone. David Cameron had made his

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statement in the Commons to a chamber that was subdudd

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- even sombre. In the Lords, the mood rangdd

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from sadness to celebration. I respect the outcome

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of Thursday's referendum. But I also suspect that likd many

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colleagues across the House, I am profoundly saddened

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by the result. I have a deep anxiety

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about what the future And the priority surely shotld be

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to try and give some political stability and through that,

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financial and other stability at a time when for all

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their personal qualities, Europe that the present

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Prime Minister and his opposite number across the dispatch box

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are completely lacking in atthority. But those who'd campaigned

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for the UK to leave It will be no bad thing

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if the campaigning organisations on both sides, and I speak

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as somebody who took a promhnent part in one of them,

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should shut up shop. What has happened, and this

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was implicit I think in the Prime Minister's spedch,

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was that the people have spoken and it is now for the government

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to implement wisely the dechsion Is my Noble Friend aware th`t

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on Friday morning I woke not only with a song in my heart,

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but also with the words That is, he hath put down the mighty

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from their seat and he hath exalted Having made his statement to MPs,

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David Cameron travelled to Brussels and on Tuesday held what was likely

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to be his final meeting with the 27 Dubbed "the last supper",

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David Cameron had to explain to his EU counterparts why he'd lost

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- saying immigration had The next day the remaining DU

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leaders met without David C`meron to discuss the way forward,

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leaving the prime minister to return But if David Cameron was having

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a tough week, for Jeremy Corbyn The Labour leader had backed the UK

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remaining in the EU but was accused of being a lukewarm supportdr

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and running a lacklustre calpaign. In the aftermath of the votd

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he'd refused to resign - despite pleas from MPs,

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former leaders, peers and councillors -

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and the resignation of much And so it was a fractious

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and unsettled Commons that gathered at midday on Wednesday

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for Prime Minister's Questions. The Prime Minister

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has two months left. Will he leave a one nation legacy

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and will that one nation legacy be the scrapping of the bedrool tax,

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the banning of zero hours contracts, and cancelling of the cuts

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to universal credit? To try and pretend that last

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Thursday's vote was a result of the state of the British economy

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is complete nonsense. The British economy is incolparably

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stronger than it was six ye`rs ago. We all have to reflect on otr role

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in the referendum campaign. I know the honourable gentldman says

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he put his back into it, all I would say is, I would hate

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to see him when he is not trying! Mr Speaker, government figures

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released yesterday show the number of children living in poverty has

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jumped by 200,000 in a year. Does he not think he should

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at the very least apologise to them and the parents that have bden

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failed by his government and do something about it so that we reduce

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the levels of child If he is looking for excuses

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about why the side he and I were on in the referendum, frankly

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he should look somewhere else. And I have to say to the honourable

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gentleman, he talks about job It might be in my party's interests

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for him to sit there, it is not in the national interest

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and I would say, for When UKip's MP stood up,

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he received a frosty recepthon. I thank the Prime Minister

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for giving us last week's great The honourable gentleman

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will be heard. Does the Prime Minister agrde

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with me that both sides now need to come together to achieve

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a new post EU national consdnsus? Whereby we have close links

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with our friends and allies in Europe and beyond,

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while reclaiming our soverehgnty? I think he is right that we now have

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to work very hard on what Because of course these

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were discussed and debated in the referendum campaign,

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but they were hypothetical alternatives, they are

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now real alternatives. And I think one of the roles

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the government can play in the next few months is to set out thdse

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different blueprints, the Canada blueprint,

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the Swiss blueprint, the Norway blueprint,

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and any other blueprints, and look at the costs

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and benefits so people can lake Now that this is a real

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choice rather than So outright joy or utter despair -

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depending on your point of view But politicians on all sides now

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accept that with the votes cast it's time to start thinking

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about where we go from here. The formal process of leaving has

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been dubbed Article 50 - after a section of the Lisbon Treaty

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which deals with a country Once it's triggered there's a two

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year time limit in which to For Parliament the big issud now

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is just HOW we disentangle ourselves from EU legislation -

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it's a massive job and potentially a mighty headache for

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the civil service, ministers So to explore just how it

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MIGHT be done I spoke to Crossbench peer Lord Lisvane

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formerly Sir Robert Rogers , who was for many years the Clerk

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of the House of Commons - that is to say its constitutional

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adviser and expert in I asked him how much of our law

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is connected to the EU. It has always been a diffictlt thing

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to determine, how much of otr law What we have been doing over

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the last 40 years is building up all those ways in which we `re

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participants in the European Union, its law, the way

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things are regulated. So that is 40 years of the `cquis,

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the collective law That we are going to have to decide

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how to unpick and possibly even more important,

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how much of it we want to kdep. Coming back to that in a second

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is it not possible just to get rid of, just to repe`l

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the European Communities Act from the 1970s and get

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rid of all that stuff? You could repeal the Europe`n

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Communities Act 1972 Politically, not like that,

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but just technically like that. And in a sense I suppose th`t

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would pre-empt any issues about Article 50 because th`t

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would end the relationship, the legal relationship, that we have

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with the European Union so far But one of the difficulties

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of doing that is that if you repeal a primary act,

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then all the legislation, the subordinate legislation

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which has been made under it, falls. The acquired rights that people

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have, for example in employlent Because the interpretation

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act makes that clear. But it will create a pretty

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chaotic situation if we OK, so you cant click

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your fingers and do it,, I think it has got to be

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driven by negotiation. Because there is, really

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there are two areas, One is what is going to be

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the departure package. How much of what we want in terms

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of our future relationship with the EU are we going

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to be able to get. And the other, which is depdndent

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on it, is the one that In that huge body of law,

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of presumptions, almost, about policy, about the way we do

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things here, as a 40 year and some member of the European Union,

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how much of that do we want. So the two will mesh togethdr,

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but of course it is going to be the art of the possible

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in a very, very big way. What about the role of MPs

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in negotiations that are going on and are going to go

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on once we get into the process Do you think MPs are going to be

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able to keep an eye on that with the structures

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that they already have with things Or are they going to need special

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new processes to keep an eyd I think to an extent, that

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will mirror what government does. I haven't seen it first hand that

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I am told that Theresa May suggested that there needs to be a senior

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member of the Cabinet in ch`rge of the negotiations,

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with possibly a dedicated If that is the case,

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no doubt the House of Commons will have a select committed that

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will mirror that. But of course there will be intense

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interest across the field, the Treasury Committee,

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European Acrutiny, no doubt Political and

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Constitutional Affairs. They will all want

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a piece of the action. So, there may be an argument to set

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up some sort of super committee with subcommittees to look

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at the whole developing scene So, how much of Parliament's time

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is this going to take up? Is it going to be the case

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that this government, under a new Prime Minister

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or a future government, is going to have to introduce fewer

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bills than it would like because it needs Parliamentary

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time for all this? Well, I think less legislathon

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is to be preferred. But I think in this case,

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there will be an impact on what would otherwise be ` routine

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legislature programme because there will be issues

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and subjects and big areas of policy which are subject

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to this developing scene And that would otherwise be

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the subject of primary legislation. It may well be that there is less

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pressure in any event on thd overall This is going to be the biggest show

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in town for a long time. What do you think the role

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of the House of Lords And the Brexiteers were verx keen

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and said very often, that this would make

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Parliament more powerful. Well, I think the House of Lords

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will play its traditional role. There is a great deal of expertise

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and experience in There is the possibility

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of contributing very actively and constructively

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to the debates as they unfold, I think that the role of Parliament

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will be extremely important. You are quite right,

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parliamentary sovereignty w`s often One of the issues, of coursd,

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is going to be Article 50. It is something that can silply be

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invoked as a prerogative act. It doesn't need legislation,

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it doesn't need full But I think in the somewhat

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heightened expectations that there will be as matters move

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forward, I think there will be very strong pressure to have

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Parliamentary approval of the decision

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to invoke Article 50. Lord Lisvane, thank you verx

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much indeed for coming Of course, they aren't just

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ramifications for Westminstdr. As well as divisions by class

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and age, the UK was clearly England, with the exception

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of London and some other major But Northern Ireland and Scotland

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were clearly for Remain. So, how did the other

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national parliaments In Northern Ireland,

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56% of voters said they wanted Although the First Minister,

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the DUP's Arlene Foster On Monday in the assembly chamber,

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she gave her response to thd vote. Right back at the time

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when I indicated, from my own party position, what our party position

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would be, I said also at th`t time something that I repeat

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that the executive committed just a couple of weeks ago

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with the Deputy First Minister that whatever the outcome

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of the referendum, I would, after the referendum, work

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for the good of all of the people of Northern Ireland in any

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negotiations that would takd place. And I know that there are a lot

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of people in Northern Ireland who are disappointed,

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there are a lot of people who are angry, there are a lot

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of people who have made all sorts If others want to engage

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in navel-gazing, that is fine. My focus is on doing what is right

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for all of the people of Northern Ireland,

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in terms of the negotiations that There were questions, too,

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in the Welsh assembly, whether First Minister,

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Carwyn Jones, said My view is that Article 50 should be

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triggered sooner rather than later. I think waiting months and lonths

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and months for it adds Better that people know

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where they stand rather than not knowing what is happening for many

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months and many years. Uncertainty is never

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going to be helpful, That is why the process has

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to begin sooner rather than later and to conclude

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as quickly as possible. For Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood

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said she was addressing the First Minister with a hdavy

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heart, following the vote. How will you move quickly now

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to secure the best possible deal And how will you work with others

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to salvage the situation for this Especially given the chaos

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within the UK Government We will be establishing a specialist

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team in Brussels office whose job it will be to talk and negotiate

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directly with the European That doesn't mean instead of working

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with the UK Government, but we need to make sure th`t Wales

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has a voice and a strong vohce. Well, on the same day

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there was an emergency sesshon of the European Parliament,

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where the European Commission president Jean-Claude Junckdr

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greeted the UKIP leader Nigdl Farage with an embrace and a peck

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on the cheek before MEPs will not directly parthcipate

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in the exit negotiations between the UK and the remahning EU

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members but will have to ratify The European Commission President

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began his speech by telling MEPs that the outcome of the refdrendum

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must be honoured, but added said he wouldn't permit prelimin`ry

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negotiations with the UK government before the official withdrawal

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process, Article 50, is triggered. TRANSLATION: I have placed

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a presidential ban, I don't like to do that,

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on commission is engaging in discussions with the British

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government, regardless They can have no preliminarx

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discussions with representatives No notification,

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no negotiation. It is my feeling, not so much

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the choice they have made that is hard, because, let's say it,

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choice is the essence of delocracy what makes it makes it

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so hard for me and I think for the everybody here in this House

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is the way it succeeded. The absolute negative

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campaign, the posters of Mr Farage showing refugeds

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like in Nazi propaganda. But UKIP leader Nigel

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Farage was defiant. You know, when I came here 07 years

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ago and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain

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to leave the European Union, Well, I have to say,

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you are not laughing now, are you? The British people had sent

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a clear message. They said, actually,

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we want our country back, we want our fishing waters back

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we want our borders backs, we want to be an independent,

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self-governing normal nation. And that is what we have done,

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and that is what must happen. And in doing so, we now offdr

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a beacon of hope to Democrats across the west of

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the European continent. I will make one prediction this

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morning, the United Kingdom will not be the last member state

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to leave the European Union. But an SNP member felt

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very differently. But, please, remember this,

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Scotland did not let you down. Please, I beg you, dude not let

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Scotland down now. And that appeal earned

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Alyn Smith a standing ovation As Alyn Smith said there,

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Scotland voted clearly And on the same day,

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he was raising the roof in the European Parliament,

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in Holyrood Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon,

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was giving her response to the vote. She announced she was setting up

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a standing council of experts Based on the very clear restlt

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in Scotland, if we were to be removed from the EU,

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it would be against That would be democraticallx

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and acceptable. It is for that reason that H have

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said that everything must bd on the table to protect our place

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in Europe, including a second Presiding Officer, I think we can

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all agree that referendums are perusing, not just bruising

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but on matters of such signhficance, But from now on, I hope we can find

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the time to learn the right lessons, not the wrong ones,

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to emerge as a stronger society, a better nation,

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and a still United Kingdom. But the Labour leader

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in Scotland thought And I struggle to put into words

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the anger that I feel towards her party at the molent

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and anger that has been building since David Cameron announcdd

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English votes for English l`ws within minutes of the Scotthsh

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independence referendum restlt. An anger that grew when her party

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set Scottish voters against English voters in a hugely divisive

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and disingenuous 2015 campahgn. Anger at a party that forced this EU

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referendum on a country that did not want it,

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only to resolve an ego Well, the next day Nicola Sturgeon

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travelled to Brussels for a series Returning to Holyrood on Thtrsday

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to update MSPs. It is also vital to make sure,

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as I was doing in Brussels yesterday, that we are acting

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to ensure that the EU and all players in the EU are aware

:23:44.:23:47.

of Scotland's desire to protect our place

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in the European Union and that we keep minds open

:23:52.:23:54.

about options as we move forward. That was the purpose of yesterday's

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meetings and from the response I got Nicola Sturgeon speaking

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at Holyrood on Thursday. And so by Friday - in just ` week -

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the political landscape had changed With David Cameron's resign`tion,

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the Conservative party had begun the process of finding

:24:11.:24:14.

a new leader, with five The Work and Pensions

:24:15.:24:18.

Secretary Stephen Crabb There was confirmation from former

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Defence Secretary Liam Fox, The Home Secretary Theresa Lay long

:24:25.:24:31.

been touted as a contender But the big surprise was th`t this

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man - Michael Gove - currently the Justice Secretary -

:24:37.:24:41.

was launching a bid, and that this man -

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Boris Johnson - was not. While Jeremy Corbyn faced continuing

:24:45.:24:46.

calls for him to stand down. Now, if all of that has left

:24:47.:24:49.

you feeling a little exhausted, we'll leave you for this wedk

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with another historic moment from Parliament, but one th`t's just

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a little more soothing. The music of Tudor composer

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Nicholas Ludford returned to St Stephen's Hall

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on Monday, almost 500 years A Medieval Royal Chapel oncd stood

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on the St Stephen's site. After the Reformation,

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it became the first permanent home of the House of Commons,

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until it was destroyed The performance - by the Gonville

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and Keys College Choir - was part of a research projdct

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into the art and architecture

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