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Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

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Cleared for take-off!

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It's the thumbs up for Heathrow's third runway.

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But plenty of MPs say the project will never get off the ground.

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I believe this will be a millstone around this covenant's next for

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- this government's neck.

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many, many years to come.

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Heathrow expansion is neither possible nor

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deliverable.

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It delivers the greatest economic and strategic

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benefits to our economy.

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Boris Johnson isn't likely to be lying down

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in front of the bulldozers.

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But if he doesn't agree with the Heathrow plan,

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shouldn't he have resigned from Theresa May's Cabinet?

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Losing a Foreign Secretary in particular and

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also one who was so prominent in the Leave campaign would be very

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damaging for her government.

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And, all the world's a stagd.

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Is the Palace of Westminster taylor-made for thespians?

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An actor turned MP gives her verdict.

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I mean, the House of Commons is a theatre,

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let's face it, and you need to be able to get your message across

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But first, the nation's been in the departure lounge

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for a very long time.

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But finally on Tuesday came news - some would say several years late -

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of just how the government is going to increase

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Southern England's airport capacity.

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And the answer is, one new runway at Heathrow.

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Cost?

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?16 billion.

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Opposition?

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Considerable.

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Heathrow is currently at 98 per cent capacity, handling

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480,000 flights a year.

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The new runway will take th`t figure to 700,000.

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The Transport Secretary told MPs what mattered was the country's

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future economic prospects.

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If we do nothing, the cost to our nation is significant,

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amounting to more than ?20 billion over 60 years through delays,

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fewer flights and passengers having to fly from airports elsewhdre.

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In addition, the wider impacts on our economy are in the rdgion

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of 30 to ?45 billion.

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That is why the decision we've reached today is so important

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for the future of our country.

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We believe that the expansion of Heathrow Airport

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and the Northwest runway scheme in combination with a significant

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package of supporting measures on the scale recommended

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by the Airports Commission offers the greatest level

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of benefit to passengers, business and to help us delhver

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the broadest possible benefhts to the whole of the United Kingdom.

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Just what have they been dohng for all these months,

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apart from worrying about splits in the Cabinet and the Forehgn

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Secretary throwing himself hn front of the bulldozers and former mayoral

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candidates triggering by-eldctions?

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There is no justification for dithering on this scale.

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I believe this decision is misguided and not ultimately

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in the nation's interests.

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Will the Secretary of State assure me in the consultation

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scrutiny to come, there will be good and adequate scientific dat`,

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because the evidence will show Heathrow expansion is neithdr

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possible nor deliverable in the Minister's words,

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not expansion at any cost, this is the wrong scheme

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and the price is too high.

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Why is the government disregarding widespread hostility and bulldozing

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through a third runway, which will inflict crippling noise,

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significant climate change `ffects, health damaging air pollution

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and catastrophic congestion on 1 million Londoners?

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THE SPEAKER: Zac Goldsmith.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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The government has chosen a course that is not only wrong, it's doomed.

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It's wrong because of the 1 million people who will directly suffer

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on the back of the environmdntal harm this project is unavoidably

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produces and doomed because the complexities, the cost,

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the legal convocations mean that this project is almost

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certainly not going to be ddlivered.

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I believe this will be a millstone around this government's neck

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for many, many years to comd.

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Constant source of delay, constant source of

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anger and betrayal.

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Isn't the biggest loser from the Tory civil

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war over Heathrow not

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the Foreign Secretary, nor the member for Richmond Park,

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but transport everywhere else because four over five years there's

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been an obsessive obsessive focus on London and the south-east,

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so while welcoming this dechsion, can I ask the Home Counties,based

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Cabinet to listen to what William Hague has said today

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and set out in the Autumn Statement a clear timetable for HS3,

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linking Manchester Airport to the great cities of the North.

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This is a devastating decishon, a devastating decision I thhnk

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for the national economic interest as well as for my constituents,

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hundreds of whose homes will be bulldozed and for the millions

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of people affected by the vdry loud noise from Heathrow Airport.

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Can I congratulate my right honourable friend on this

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announcement and make clear to him the relief with which this will be

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received, this somewhat overdue statement, by all the peopld

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represented by colleagues in the Gatwick Coordination Group.

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I don't share this cosy consensus on airport expansion.

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Half the population each year doesn't fly.

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For environmental reasons I haven't flown for several years.

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The Secretary of State todax says this this expansion will,

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quote, further reduce carbon emissions, unquote.

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What a joke.

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Because of climate change, the government should not bd

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in the business of encouraghng people to fly and more effort,

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let alone subsidising increased airport capacity

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-- more air freight.

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and higher total emissions.

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I urge the Secretary of State and the government to think again.

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Some moments from the Commons on Tuesday.

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Soon after that debate, Zac Goldsmith announced

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he was quitting as Conservative MP for Richmond Park.

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There'll now by a by-election there on December 1st.

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Zac Goldsmith says he'll be an Independent candidate, no doubt

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hoping to intensify the casd against the Heathrow runway plan.

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Two other West London MPs, Boris Johnson and Justine Greening,

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also have strong objections to Heathrow expansion.

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They're being allowed to oppose government policy and yet

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remain in the Cabinet, in other words, the principle

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of Collective Responsibilitx will not apply to them.

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That follows David Cameron's decision this year to allow several

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Cabinet Ministers to agree to disagree with his policy

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for Britain to stay in the DU.

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They were allowed to campaign for Brexit.

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And I'm joined in the studio now by Dr Catherine Haddon

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of the Institute For Governlent who's an expert on

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Collective Responsibility.

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Welcome to the programme.

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Now, first, a word of introduction about this notion of Collective

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Responsibility.

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Where does it actually come from?

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What's the origin of the term?

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It comes from the 18th centtry, really, and it's all about the sort

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of development of a parliamdntary democracy and effective govdrnment

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in relation to the Crown, so its development was largdly

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to keep the government together so they were all on the samd page

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in terms of what they were representing to the monarch,

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what they were saying was policy, and make sure they weren't getting

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blindsided on issues.

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But obviously it's evolved ` lot over the years since then.

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So originally, it was to avoid the King picking somebody ott?

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Yes, exactly.

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But in a way, the origins of that although obviously we don't

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have the same need for it in that way, it still tells us a lot

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about its value, because it's really about binding

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the government together.

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So, as I said, they are all on the same page,

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they are all sort of in the same boat, to use another metaphor.

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They are trying to make surd that they are working

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together as a collective, so it is not just about sort

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of signing up to particular policies or anything like that,

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it's more about the cohesion of government generally.

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Two suspensions in a sense, significant suspensions in 2016

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firstly on the EU Referendul and now on Heathrow.

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So, does that suggest that laybe the principle isn't quite

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so fundamental as it once w`s, we could see it being suspended

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more often in future?

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As with all things in our Constitution, you know, it hs bound

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into the Ministerial Code but they evolve over time ddpending

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on how people view them and how strongly they sort

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of adhere to them.

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You can go back over hundreds of years but certainly

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over the last century, there have been all sorts

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of times at which Cabinet ministers would leak,

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would brief, would sort of hint at whether or not they were happy

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with the proposal that went through, or just keep quiet about it and not

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necessarily be the proponent that leads on that particular policy

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The sort of counterweight to Collective Responsibilitx,

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if you don't agree with a government policy, the noble British tradition

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is you resign and Michael Hdseltine famously resigned over Westland

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and the Iraq war, we saw John Denham resigning and Robin Cook.

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That in a sense could have happened this time with Boris Johnson

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and Justine Greening who could have resigned over

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the Heathrow announcement.

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Yeah, and so taken in isolation you can see why May wanted to do it,

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why she called it a sort of a core decision on this point,

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because losing the Foreign Secretary in particular and also one

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who was so prominent in the Leave campaign would be very

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damaging for her government.

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In isolation, you can see it as sort of a mature thing but taken

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alongside the fact that we have had such a large split the country

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between the sort of Remain `nd Leave camps and we are still seeing

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the legacy of that, it is more what it suggests about May's ability

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to hold the government together

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If she needs more and more of these then it isn't suggesting

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of a mature government, it suggests a fractured govdrnment.

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But I suppose the public might think, but this

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Collective Responsibility notion is a little bit like fantasx world

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because they do like to see politicians disagreeing,

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because the idea that 100 mhnisters all agree totally on every policy

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detail must strike some people as being a little bit false,

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so maybe it's realistic to suspend Collective Responsibility?

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I think there's a differencd between suspending collective

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Cabinet responsibility and being aware of, and showing

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the fact that, there are different views in government.

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Certainly, some have talked about whether or not it

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would humanise politics in that way but the reverse side of it hs that

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actually you would see more opportunities for ministers wanting

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to say why they disagree with what is going on,

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more fractured debates, more briefing against each other

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and also trying to sell each other out in terms of whose decishon

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it was unfair for, who should be responsible when it all goes wrong.

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-- and therefore.

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So it could be a recipe for a pretty chaotic governlent

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It could be, especially if people aren't willing to then be

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accountable for it in parli`ment, which is another reason why it's

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important so that the parli`ment can hold the government

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to account collectively.

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Dr Catherine Haddon.

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The Liberal Democrats are planning to make the coming by-electhon

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in Richmond Park a vote on Brexit.

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And talking of plans and talking of Brexit,

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Jeremy Corbyn was keen on Wddnesday to label as "shambolic"

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the Government's approach so far to taking the UK out of the EU.

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At Prime Minister's Questions, the Labour leader quoted thd remarks

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of the First Minister of Wales that had followed Monday's Downing Street

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meeting between Theresa May and all the UK's devolved ldaders.

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The First Minister for Wales, Carwyn Jones, said there

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is a great deal of uncertainty but they are clear they need full

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and unfettered access to the single market.

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Could the Prime Minister help the First Minister of Wales

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and indeed the other devolvdd administrations, by giving

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them some clarity?

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There are those who talk about means and those who talk about ends.

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I'm talking about ends.

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What we want to see is the best possible arrangement for tr`de with,

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and operation within, the single European market

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for businesses in goods and services here in the United Kingdom.

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THE SPEAKER: Jeremy Corbyn.

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On Monday, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister told

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the House and I quote, "we have a plan which is not

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to set out at every stage of the negotiation the detahls.

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I've been thinking about thhs for a couple of days, Mr Spdaker.

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And I think when you're searching for the real meaning behind,

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and the importance behind, the Prime Minister's statemdnt,

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you have to consult the great philosophers.

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The only one I can come up with ..

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THE SPEAKER: Mr Cleverly, calm yourself.

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You're imperilling your own health, man, which is a source

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of great concern to me.

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Jeremy Corbyn.

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All I could come up with Mr Speaker is Baldrick, who says "our cunning

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"plan is to have no plan."

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Brexit was apparently about taking back control,

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but the devolved governments don't know the plan,

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businesses don't know the plan, Parliament doesn't know the plan.

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When will the Prime Minister abandon this shambolic Tory Brexit

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and develop a plan that delhvers for the whole country?

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We're going to deliver the best possible deal for trade in goods

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and services both with and operation within the European Union.

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And we're going to deliver an end to free movement.

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That's what the British people want, and that's what this governlent s

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going to deliver for them.

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Theresa May doing battle with Jeremy Corbyn.

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Now, a look at some of the other stories in Parliament

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in the last few days.

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Peers have given initial approval to the Bill that brings in ` scheme

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for young people called the National Citizen Servicd.

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It allows 15 to 17-year-olds to learn new skills and takd part

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in outdoor activities.

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I want to give credit to melbers in other parties who have

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embraced this scheme.

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It would have been very easx when this scheme was very mtch

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the personal vision of one Prime Minister from one party

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for other parties to want to stay clear of it and indeed a potential

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different government to want to change it and I pay

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particular credit to the noble Lord Blunkett for the

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part he has played.

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When I was 16 I volunteered to go and see an old lady called Lrs Plum

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and I used to go every week in term time until two years later.

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I was leaving the School For The Blind and going back

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to Sheffield and I went to tell Mrs Plum that I hoped I had been

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some help to her over the two years and as soon

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as I told her I was returning to Sheffield,

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her response was "well, David, I really hope I've bden some

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"use to you over the last two years."

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The end of the jungle.

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The refugee camp at Calais was demolished and its

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occupants dispersed.

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Some unaccompanied child refugees travelled to Britain.

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The Home Secretary updates LPs.

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We will prioritise those likely to be granted

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refugee status in the UK.

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We will also prioritise those 12-year-olds or under.

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And we will consider those `ssessed as being at high risk

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of sexual exploitation.

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Can she reassure us that before any child is admitted, every receiving

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family will be properly scrdened and in the interests of nathonal

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security, that every young `dult admitted to the United Kingdom

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is screened before they are allowed to come into the country?

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We will always make the correct safeguards and we will alwaxs make

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sure that the families are prepared.

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We will not take any risks for this country.

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The link between property and dodgy money.

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The Commons approved a Bill that cracks down on money-laundering

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and the financing of terrorhsts

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We must recognise that the size of our financial sector and open

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economy and the attractivendss of London property market

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to overseas investors makes this country unusually

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exposed to the risks of international money-laundering.

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Some of the most expensive properties in the capital

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are unoccupied because they have been bought solely for the purpose

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of laundering dirty money.

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Property in London has becole one of the safest investments

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in the world and one which rich criminals and money-launderdrs

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are attracted to in just thd same way as people who have

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made their money legitimately.

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And, that programme again, as 14.8 million viewers

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tuned into the final of The Great British Bake Off,

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MPs refocus on the wisdom of the programme's planned love

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to Channel 4.

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Is the plan half-baked?

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Do you accept for example that some of the programmes that we all enjoy,

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that some of us enjoy, Unreported World for exampld,

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the hour-long Channel 4 News, Dispatches, the Paralympics...

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Bake Off.

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Not so much, perhaps!

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But these are the kind of programmes that clearly would not thrive,

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almost certainly, under privatised Channel 4,

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for the very obvious reason, advertisers don't really

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want to advertise in the middle of Unreported World.

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It's not sexy.

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Those programmes do not gendrate enough advertising revenue

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in themselves in order for them to succeed,

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which as Mr McCartney has pointed out.

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Bake Off, the point Channel 4 have made to me about Bake Off,

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is this is the biggest programme with no adverts on it

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at all in the world.

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Now, the advertising revenud that potentially Channel 4 could receive

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from showing Bake Off may wdll pay in itself for the Paralympics, for

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Dispatches, for Unreported World.

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Karen Bradley.

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Well, staying with television for a moment.

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One of the two new MPs to enter the Commons this week

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was the new Member for Batldy and Spen in West Yorkshire.

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Tracy Brabin easily won the by-election on October the 0th.

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One of Tracy Brabin's claims to fame before reaching Westminster

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was her many appearances pl`ying Tricia Armstrong in

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Coronation Street.

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So, is performing as an actor in a TV soap opera good preparation

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for being a politician?

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The Scottish Nationalist Dehrdre Brock was an actor in Austr`lia

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who made some appearances in Home And Away.

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So, I asked her, was she pldased that another former soap

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actor was now joining the House of Commons?

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I hadn't thought about it.

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I certainly don't think of myself as a soap actor,

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to tell you the truth.

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I had two days' work on Homd And Away in a ten year caredr

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but that is something that sticks in people's memories.

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But you are a distinguished actor. I'm sure we can call you th`t.

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It was 20 years ago now. It was a long time ago.

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I did train.

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I trained for three years ftll-time in a drama school, and before that,

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I did a BA in English.

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Do you think there is an overlap between acting and

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being a politician?

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Well, I think there are defhnitely skills that carry over.

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I mean, the House of Commons is a theatre, let's face it.

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You need to be able to get xour message across so if you ard not

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able to speak up, if you lose the attention of the House,

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of course, it means your message isn't getting out there.

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The message you are trying to get out there on behalf

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of your constituents is not penetrating.

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That is an important part of it

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Certainly in hustings, for example, in politics,

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I have had people come up to me in hustings saying I was thd only

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person they could hear of all the candidates.

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I thought that was probably quite helpful.

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You do need to have a sense of projection.

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Being able to project your voice is quite a helpful skill.

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When you're making a speech in the Commons, do you have

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that slight feeling, "I'm an actor again"?

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A little bit, I suppose I do.

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There is an attempt to projdct what you are saying.

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I do tend to take that extr` breath as I stand up, just to make

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sure my posture is good.

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It's not something I do consciously, to be honest with you.

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After all the training and the work in the field,

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it's just something that comes naturally.

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When you watch other MPs spdaking in the Commons, do you ever think

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to yourself, that person would make a good actor?

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No, I watch sometimes peopld in the House of Commons and think

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they need acting lessons, rdally.

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Just in terms of trying to get the message out there.

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What they are saying can be fantastic but if they are rdading

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off a page and they are doing it in a fairly monotone voice,

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for example, low level, like I say, you're just not getting

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that message out there, and I think that is part of package.

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I'm sure you will be able interested to see how

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Tracy Brabin projects herself.

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I saw her briefly after she had been announced as the winner of that

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particular by-election and

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I thought she dealt well with some of the heckling

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going on so that bodes well for her career in Parliament.

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Westminster, perhaps the biggest soap opera of them all.

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Yes, you could put it like that

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Sometimes it feels like it.

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Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me.

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Deirdre Brock.

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Councils are being urged to do more to prevent people

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from becoming homeless.

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A Conservative MP has put forward his Homelessness Reduction Bill as,

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he says, the current rules on who is regarded as

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homeless are inadequate.

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His bill would mean councils having to find more properties for people

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at risk of becoming homeless.

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At the moment, he said, there are strict criteria

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for who qualifies as homeless.

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The non-priority homeless are told, go out, sleep on the streets, sleep

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on a park bench or in a doorway and you may be picked up by

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a charity.

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That, to me, Mr Speaker, is an absolute national disgrace.

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At a time when we have employment at the

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highest level ever, a relathvely low-level of unemployment, ` single

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person sleeping rough on our streets is a national disgrace and we must

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combat it.

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If the government is serious about this bill and the

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ministers mean what they sax about homelessness, they must do

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two things.

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Fund the costs of the extra duties in this bill in full and tackle

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the causes of the growing homelessness crisis in this country.

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Those will be the two tests that we on this

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side will hold the government hard to account.

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Research published

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who sleep rough have

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a mental health problem and they are more likely to be stuck

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sleeping rough for longer than a year.

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This is a major problem that the bill seeks

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to address and clearly, early intervention

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and prevention has the

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potential to have a positivd impact on the lives of these very

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vulnerable people.

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This bill, unfortunately, is a classic piece of

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wishful thinking.

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It is gesture politics of the worst kind.

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You will the ends but you don't provide the means.

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You make yourself feel good because you voted and the pressure

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groups and campaigns have pressed you to do it,

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you vote for something becatse it sounds good, it says

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homelessness reduction, it should not be called homdlessness

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reduction, it should be called homelessness recognition bill.

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Now, with a round-up of some of the week's

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other political stories, here's Kate Whannel.

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# Five, four, three, two, one. #

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Prime Minister Theresa May began the week by welcoming leaders

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of the devolved nations to Downing Street to discuss Brexit.

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But some of her guests left somewhat dissatisfied.

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In parts, the meeting was deeply frustrating.

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I don't know any more now about the UK Government's approach

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to the EU negotiation than H did before I went into the meethng.

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MP Helen Goodman had serious concerns about the dwindling love

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life of our feathered friends.

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They sing for so long that they don't have any

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energy left to mate.

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But, a fit of the giggles ldft her unable to finish her question.

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Now, that rare thing, a Scottish Labour victory.

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Kezia Dugdale was awarded Politician of the Year at the Pink News Awards.

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The Scottish Labour leader came out earlier this year and is engaged

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to her long-term partner.

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In Strasbourg, Ukip acting leader Nigel Farage clears up conftsion

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over what took place between two of his MEPs.

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There is absolutely no eviddnce that anybody was punched at all `nd I do

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want that put on the record.

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However, if you would like to come outside with md...

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we could have a civilised conversation over

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a cup of coffee. Thank you.

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Last week, Schiphol Airport sent a cake to Heathrow to celebrate

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another delayed decision on airport expansion.

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This week, the government announced that the third runway would go ahead

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and Heathrow was able to return the favour.

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Touche.

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# Five, four, three, two, one. #

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Kate Whannel collecting somd interesting morcels.

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Some significant debates coling up in the next few days.

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Expect some fall-out from the decision of the car-maker

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Nissan to build its latest lodels in the North-East of England.

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So do join me for the next Week in Parliament.

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Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye.

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