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Hello and welcome to the programme in the week the Queen

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came to Westminster for the State Opening of Parliament,

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and set out the Government's plans for the next two years -

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My Government will seek to maintain a deep and special

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partnership with European allies, and to forge new trading

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Theresa May sets out what action the Government's taking

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But reveals other high rise blocks could be at risk.

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Mr Speaker, shortly before I came to the Chamber,

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I was informed that a number of these tests have come

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And all MPs start their life in Parliament by taking an oath

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of allegiance to the monarch, but is it time for a change?

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I think the Queen is a wonderful woman and does great work, but I'm

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here to represent the people and that wasn't an option.

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It's been a dramatic couple of weeks since we were last here,

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with an election result that few predicted and Theresa May

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returned to power - just - with her party now the largest

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Cue recriminations among the Conservatives and jubilation

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in Labour's ranks, after a better than expected

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With a deal between Theresa May and the Democratic Unionists

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still up in the air, and with the clock ticking

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on Brexit, it was time for the State Opening of Parliament.

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Because no-one was expecting a general election at the start

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of June, there was no time to prepare for the traditional pomp

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and ceremony with coaches, horses and mass ranks of guardsmen.

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So, it was a very scaled back procession that set off

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with the Queen travelling by car to Westminster accompanied

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There was no Duke of Einburgh either -

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When the Queen, without her ceremonial robes,

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and Prince Charles arrived, they processed through the Lords

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gallery walking behind the imperial state crown and took their seats

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on the thrones in the House of Lords.

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And then it was time to despatch Black Rod to the House of Commons

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And with that MPs left the Commons, processing out of their Chamber,

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through central lobby and on into the House of Lords.

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Normally, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition

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exchange pleasantries, but there was little chit

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chat between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

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And when MPs had arrived at the bar at the back of the Lords,

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the Queen read out the contents of the speech -

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the 64th time she'd performed the role.

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Beginning with the Government's plans for Brexit.

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My Government's priority is to secure the best possible deal

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as the country leaves the European Union.

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Establishing new national policies on immigration, international

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sanctions, nuclear safeguards, agriculture, and fisheries.

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There was no word on grammar schools, but instead...

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My Government will continue to work to

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ensure that every child has the opportunity to attend a good

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school, and that all schools are fairly funded.

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And as to the Conservatives controversial manifesto

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My ministers will work to improve the social care and will

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bring forward proposals for consultation.

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There'd be a public inquiry into the Grenfell Tower block fire.

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There will be a full public enquiry into the tragic

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events at the Grenfell Tower, to ascertain

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the causes and ensure that

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To support victims, my Government will take forward measures to

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introduce an independent public advocate, who will Act for believed

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In the light of the terrorist attacks

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in Manchester and London, my Government's counterterrorism

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strategy will be reviewed, to insure that the police and security

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services have all the powers they need.

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And that the length of custodial sentences for terrorism

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related offences are sufficient to keep the population safe.

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So, a nine minute speech, stripped of many of the controversial ideas

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With the day's ceremony over, it was the turn of MPs to discuss

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After a minute's silence to remember those who had been killed

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and injured in the recent terror attacks and in the Grenfell Tower

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to give Labour's response to the speech.

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He began by reflecting on the Grenfell disaster.

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The fire at Grenfell Tower in west London has killed at least 79

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people. What makes it both a tragedy and an outrage is that every single

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one of those deaths could have been avoided.

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Turning to the speech itself, he argued

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A threadbare legislative programme from a Government that has lost its

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majority and apparently run out of ideas altogether. This would be a

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sin legislative programme, even if it was for one year, but for two

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years? Two years? There is not enough in it to fill year.

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He turned to what was not in the speech,

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including means testing the Winter Fuel Payment.

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And older people and their families might also be keen for some clarity

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around the Government's policy on social care. Whether it is still

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what was originally set out in the Conservative manifesto or whether it

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is what was later amended to, or whether it is no something else

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entirely. We need full access to the single

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market and the customs arrangements that provide Britain has the Brexit

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secretary has pledged, and I quote, with the exact same benefits as now,

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neither must our victory targets for immigration be prioritised over the

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jobs and living standards of the people of this country.

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Theresa May also began her speech by talking about

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One Lady I had met ran from the fire wearing no more than a T-shirt and a

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pair of knickers. She had lost absolutely everything. Let me be

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absolutely clear, the support on the ground for families in the initial

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hours was not enough. People were left without belongings, without

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roots over their heads, without even basic information about what had

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happened, what they should do, and where they could seek help. That was

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a failure of the state, local and national, to help people when they

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needed it most. As Prime Minister, I apologise for that failure.

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Our country is divided, red versus blue, young versus old, leave versus

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remain. As I said here last week, the test for all of us is whether we

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choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With

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humility and resolve, this Government will seek to do the

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latter. She concluded that recent weeks,

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and the terror attacks, The Queen 's speech on its own but

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not solve every challenge our contributors.

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THEY SPEAK OVER EACH OTHER Not every problem can be solved by

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an Act of Parliament. But it is... But it is a step forward. It is a

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step forward to building a more compassionate, you more united and

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more confident nation. That is what this Government will aim to achieve,

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it is what this Queen 's speech will deliver and I commend the Queen's

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speech to the house. CHEERING

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After that, it was over to other party leaders and backbenchers

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to have their say on the contents of the speech, with many

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The Prime Minister's gamble backfired, and she has desperately

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clung to power, at least for now, and stumbled into the Brexit

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Regardless with an almost all-male team, equipped with no credible

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plan, no mandate, and seemingly no functional Government.

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Well, I can see the Prime Minister floundering,

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but where is the stable Government that the Prime Minister promised us?

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We don't really know quite what the basis is upon which

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we are negotiating this Brexit at the moment.

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I think it's going to have to be carried by what I think

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is an extremely sensible cross-party majority that this House could

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easily command if we were able to put in place some processes with

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The Prime Minister has proceeded and continued

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to pursue, it's very clear from recent

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statements and from the gracious speech,

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that she seeks to precede an

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extreme version of Brexit, having failed to gain

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There is no plan to keep Britain in the single market, has the Right

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Honourable Member for Rushcliffe mentioned

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earlier, or indeed for the

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We will therefore seeks to amend the Queen's Speech

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to add in membership of the single market and of the customs union.

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Both the Remain and Leave campaigns agreed we did not stay in the single

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market and Customs union for a variety of good reasons.

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One, we want to do free trade agreements

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with other countries around the world.

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And you can't do it if you're in the single market and

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Two, they made it very clear you'd have to pay budget

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contributions and accept freedom of movement,

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So, it's one of the few things the two campaigns agreed

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We all told the British public we would be leaving the

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We again will work with Government in the course of the next period in

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this Parliament to ensure that we do deliver prosperity, we do deliver

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greater spending on health, and education, and that we do see an end

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to the tunnel, the dark tunnel, of austerity.

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This Queen's Speech does not herald any hope for my constituents.

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This Government and the preceding Government have

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knocked out those rungs of the ladder of opportunity for so many of

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That reach for the first rung is now very high.

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A new MP used the first day of the debate

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Many of my constituents work in financial services.

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Other key 21st-century sectors, like medical

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innovation, the tech centre and advanced manufacturing also

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prioritise access to the single market, and such access must be

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underpinned by the principles of mutual recognition, based on trust

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Vicky Ford, making her maiden speech.

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And I'm delighted to save Vicky Ford and Chris Williamson,

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who was an MP until 2015 and has just been re-elected, join me now.

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You've already been keen, you're first out of the blocks,

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Your background is as a member of the European Parliament.

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Do you think that gave you an advantage?

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Well, I see, as a former member of the European Parliament,

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that we've got a huge amount of work to do over the next two years.

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Actually, the negotiations were Brexit, we don't

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control the timescale, we've got 27 other countries we need

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to get agreement with and we've got to get on with that process,

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so I was quite keen to, um, get started myself.

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It's a bit like standing on top of a diving board

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and looking down and thinking, at some point I've got

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to make my first speech, so why not try and do it straightaway?

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Chris Williamson, a very different experience for you,

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because you were in Parliament before, until 2015.

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What do you think that two years away from Westminster taught you?

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What did you learn from being away and what did you learn

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It was a very bitter pill to swallow, I have to say.

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I'm a local lad and it was a great privilege to represent my home city.

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I suppose it taught me that, you know, you can never take

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anything for granted, even though you are a sort of

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local individual in that sense, and you always

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are subject to the vagaries of the democratic process.

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But I think having gone through that experience,

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They say what doesn't kill you does make you stronger.

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So hopefully I will be a better representative this time.

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Vicky, you have already mentioned Brexit, obviously it was the big

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It seems that the position on Brexit is being played out very publicly

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What do you think your former colleagues in Europe make

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Well, if you look back at the White Paper which came out

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before the election, we were very clear about wanting

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to have a long-term strategic partnership...

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But do they look at Britain at the moment and think,

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Actually, no, because I had meetings with a lot of them

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before the election, and have continued to talk since.

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They want to find an orderly process.

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But they know it is in the interests of their economy as well as our

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It is incredibly important that we get together,

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we get focused, if the Labour Party is serious about wanting to keep

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the access to the market as well, then we need to work together.

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All right, Chris Williamson, let's bring you in here, then.

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Are you going to disrupt or try to defeat the Government

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at every single turn in the next few years?

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Well, we have said that we want to make sure that the Brexit process

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We don't want to see Britain turn into a deregulated

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No good having a situation where we end up with a Brexit which is going

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to enrich millionaires still further. We need to make sure we are

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collaborating to create decent jobs. That is Kanpur the unreasonable. The

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Conservative Party and the Government want to make sure this

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process works for ordinary people, for everybody and that is why we

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need to get working together and stop this rhetoric that somehow you

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are saying we are not focused on making it work. Why can't you sign

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up to that, just say, we've got to get this done, let's work together

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and get this done and not just vote down everything that comes our way?

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If only life were that simple. I hope Vicky's view prevails in the

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Conservative Party because they are clearly written on the issue of

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Europe. But one just has to look at the Conservative record where they

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have sought to deregulate the labour market, they have brought in the

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Trade Union Act, we have seen rights of workers being diminished, living

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standards deteriorating for lots of ordinary people.

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But how does holding up the Parliamentary process achieve that?

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Surely just achieves nothing, everything stops. But all is very

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firmly in the Government's court. We want to make sure this Brexit

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process works for ordinary people and of the government signs up to

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that, there will not be a problem. Stop scaremongering. The

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Conservative Party have published a plan for Brexit, but does work for

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all the issues that you have mentioned, but does keep workers'

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rights, keeps consumers' rights, that will keep parts of our fire

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safety that are governed by European law. That has been published and set

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out by the Conservative Party and in the meantime, I have seen no detail

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from Labour. Just reply to that. It is unfair to say we are

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scaremongering. We have seen the Tories' record, we know where they

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are coming from in terms of workers' rights, they have sought to support

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corporations and wealthy and powerful individuals at the expense

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of ordinary people. That has been their record. People only have to

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look at the wrecker to see that. If they have had a Damascene

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conversion, and delighted by that, we are more than happy to cooperate

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to ensure the Brexit process works for ordinary people in this country.

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Chris Williamson, Vicky Ford, thank you both very much indeed

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As we saw earlier in the programme, both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

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used the opportunity of the Queen's Speech to reflect

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At least 79 people are believed to have died,

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with hundreds more made homeless, having lost everything in the blaze.

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Attention has focused on the cladding on the outside of

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On Thursday, Theresa May returned to the Commons to update MPs.

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The House should of course be careful on speculating

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But as a precaution, the Government has arranged to test cladding

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Mr Speaker, shortly before I came to the chamber,

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I was informed that a number of these tests have come

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The relevant local authorities and local Fire Services have been

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informed and as I speak, they are taking all possible steps

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to ensure buildings are safe and to inform affected residents.

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Mrs May repeated that the Government response to the disaster

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Now, though, help was available, from health care to

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replacement driving licences and emergency funds.

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It is absolutely essential, Mr Speaker, that people

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understand they can keep the money they receive.

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These grants are not loans and they will not be expected

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I would like to reassure people that we will not use this tragic incident

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as a reason to carry out immigration checks on those involved or on those

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providing vital information to identify victims or those assisting

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with the criminal investigation. It is both a tragedy and an outrage,

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because every single one of those deaths could and should

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have been avoided. The Grenfell Tower residents

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themselves have raised concerns about the lack of fire safety

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in the block. The Grenfell Action Group have

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warned, and I quote, it is a truly terrifying thought,

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but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believes that only a catastrophic

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event will expose the ineptitude the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant

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Management Organisation. The local MP said she spoke

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on behalf of a traumatised and frightened community

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with little trust in authority. She called for cuts in fire

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services to be reversed. "These people have quite

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literally our lives in their hands." when brand-new properties

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are empty for many years, does the Prime Minister think

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it is right to discuss with her honourable friend

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the Chancellor of the Exchequer changing the taxation regime so that

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as in New York City, My wife, principally, and I,

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mentored, employed and encouraged a young woman called Khadija Saye,

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who lost her life with her mother She has talked about the public

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enquiry. But she understands that most people see this as a crime, and

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they know that rich and powerful organisations get away with crime.

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The response to the string of recent terror attacks is to be examined

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of terrorism legislation, David Anderson.

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The recent attacks in London and Manchester have claimed

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There was outrage after an attack on an Ariana Grande concert

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in Manchester at the end of May, which happened as thousands

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of youngsters were streaming out of the venue.

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The suicide bomber blew himself up by detonating a device in the foyer

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The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, told MPs Mr Anderson would be

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reviewing the Government's counterterrorism strategy,

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to make sure the police and the security services had

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We must do more to defeat ideologies of hatred,

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by turning people's minds away from violence and towards

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We must make sure that these ideologies are not able

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It also means asking difficult questions about what has gone wrong.

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In light of the terrorist attacks in London and Manchester,

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Britain's counterterrorism strategy will be reviewed, to make sure

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that the police and the security services have what they need

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In addition to this, there will be a review

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of the handling of recent terror attacks, to look at whether lessons

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I'm pleased to announce that David Anderson,

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former independent reviewer of counterterrorism legislation,

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I noted the actions the Government has taken in the Home Secretary's

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statement, and largely on this side of the House, we support them.

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But we would warn against an emphasis on more legislation,

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rather than looking at the issue of resources.

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We will look at all the legislative proposals that the Government brings

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forward on their merits, but we believe that resources

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is at the heart of this, not just new legislation.

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Will the Home Secretary confirm that there is absolutely nothing

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in the Human Rights Act, or the European Convention

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on Human Rights, that would prevent us taking a robust approach

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to terrorism, and therefore will she confirm that there are

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no plans to tear up human rights, and that we can tackle terrorism

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and uphold the standards of this society without

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A point Ms Rudd did not answer directly, saying simply

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that the Government would provide the resources necessary

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Now, back to the Queen's Speech, which was also being

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The first speaker was a seasoned Conservative

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It looked like a good election for Labour.

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Indeed, they are behaving as if they had won it,

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despite being 56 seats behind the Tories.

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And the new rapturous enthusiasm on the benches opposite

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for Jeremy Corbyn is only matched by their relief that he is not

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I suspect there are a number of issues on which a

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Conservative-DUP Government might not find all the MPs

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of their respective parties in total agreement.

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So, my lords, and I want to be very clear on this, should the House

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of Commons send this House legislation that has been amended

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from the Government's original intentions,

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then ministers should not seek to use your lordships' House

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to thwart the mandate of a democratically elected House.

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What makes this such an exceptional time is that for perhaps only

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the second or third time in a couple of centuries, we find ourselves

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needing, as we come to Brexit, to redefine our whole approach

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to foreign policy, and what our place should be in the world.

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Trade deals, customs unions, people markets,

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financial passports, all are without use

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unless they are seen as a means to serve individuals,

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Finally, is it time to rewrite the traditional oaths

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and affirmations made by MPs at the start of a new Parliament?

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Every member has to pledge their allegiance to the Queen,

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but this year, some have proved keen to customise their contributions.

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As a republican by conviction, and under protest, I swear

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by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance

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to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors,

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I, Richard Burgon, was elected by the people of Leeds East

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to represent the interests of the people of Leeds East,

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and therefore I make the following affirmation in order

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I, Laura Pidcock, was elected by the people of North West Durham

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I therefore take this affirmation in order to do that.

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Layla Moran is the new Lib Dem MP for Oxford West and Abingdon.

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I was surprised that I didn't have the option of pledging

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loyalty to the people, given that I've spent the last

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eight years, you know, campaigning to try and be an MP,

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to help raise the concerns of the people, then when you get

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to the point when you are swearing allegiance, you have the choice

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Now, I don't have an issue with either, in fact I'm

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a Greek Orthodox in my background, I think the Queen is a wonderful

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woman and does great work, but I'm here to represent

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the people, and that wasn't an option.

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I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm...

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As a new MP, it's quite hard to know which rules you can bend

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So, I think perhaps in future years, I will be able

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You're quite concerned about getting it right or wrong at this point,

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And nonetheless, I mean, while it is broadly ceremonial,

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what you're doing, the proof of the pudding is in the eating,

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it's what I do while I'm here that matters, not who I've pledged

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The new MP for Oxford West and Abingdon, Layla Moran,

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bringing us to the end of this edition of the programme.

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Do join Joanna Shin on Monday night at 11 for another full round-up

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But for now, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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