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# You woke up this morning, got Tonight on This Week, as one great | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
TV mobster, Tony Soprano, sadly leaves the stage, we turn our | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
attention to the political underworld in Westminster. Organised | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
crime in the City of London. A new report says naughty bankers should | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
do a stretch in the slammer. Wise guy financial journalist Max Keiser | :00:43. | :00:53. | |
breaks the code of omerta. What do Tony Soprano and the Godfather have | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
in common with the CEOs of top banks? They should all be in jail | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
because they are crooks. The world's big bosses had a sit | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
down at the G8, but former KGB heavy Don Putin didn't always have a smile | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
on his face. ITV's favourite moll, Laura Kuenssberg, has been pinched | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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by This Week. So, the world's leaders might have rolled up their | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
sleeves as they rolled up to the G8, but did address down summit really | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
achieve very much at all? And after a police caution for | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Charles Saatchi, have pictures of Nigella Lawson being manhandled | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
shone a light on the darkness of domestic abuse? Broadcaster Trisha | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
Goddard and Sky Sports presenter Charlie Webster speak up for the | :01:35. | :01:45. | |
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victims. Those pictures of Nigella have certainly opened up the debate | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
about domestic violence. Domestic abuse can happen to anybody, no | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
matter what background, and the pictures showed they can happen to | :01:55. | :02:05. | |
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women who are outwardly confident and independent. This week we are in | :02:06. | :02:15. | |
the waste management is less. Evenin' all. Welcome to This Week, | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
the only genuine excuse for not paying the licence fee, and the best | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
reason for going to bed early on a Thursday. Now, like us, you probably | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
think most politicians are as dull as ditchwater, as grey as Michael's | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
underwear drawer. But tonight we bring news of a brighter, more | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
colourful world, following the sensational interview given by a | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
Labour councillor called Simon Parkes who revealed that politics | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
isn't just for those who've seen the inside of Eton College. Oh, no. It's | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
also for those who've seen the inside of an alien spaceship! Oh | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
yes! According to Simon, his "real mother" is a nine feet tall green | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
alien with eight stick-like fingers. Yes, Simon, I can see the | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
resemblance. He currently enjoys close sexual encounters of the third | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
kind, at least four times a year!! So, no stamina, then, these aliens. | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
And he has even fathered an extra-terrestrial love-child as a | :03:09. | :03:18. | |
result, called Zarka. Well, why should Boris have all the fun when | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
it comes to love children? Now, I know what you're thinking - it | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
doesn't get any more peculiar than a politician invited aboard a | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
spaceship and fathering an extra-terrestrial love child called | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
Zarka. But you'd be wrong. Because Maria Miller sits in the Cabinet, as | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
Culture Secretary. I know, I know. Not just peculiar. Bizarre. Speaking | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
of space cadettes who've served in government, I'm joined on the sofa | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
tonight by two flamboyant individuals who I have to share a | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
small cell with. Think of them as the Dolce and Gabbana of late-night | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
political chat, even if they are more Man At C&A and Burtons. I | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
speak, of course, of #manontheleft Alan "AJ" Johnson, and | :03:57. | :04:07. | |
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#sadmanonatrain Michael "Choo Choo" Portillo. Your moment of the week? | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
The Care Quality Commission, the most useless public sector | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
organisation ever invented, not only failed to look after patients, but | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
also, of course, was apparently involved in covering up its own | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
failure, because anything that failed among the things it was meant | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
to be supervising was a failure of itself. It has then got into the | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
business of not naming the people involved in the cover-up. But I | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
wanted to use this as an illustration. I think something has | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
happened in politics in the last few weeks which is basically that the | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
Labour view of the world has fallen apart, because the National Health | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
Service is no longer seen as a sacred cow full of Florence | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
Nightingales, the welfare state is now very much on the defensive, | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
criticised by the public, the way that people see schooling is | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
changing as well, and Labour has come off its previous position on | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
the austerity programme. I think we mark a significant moment in the | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
political process, that many of the things where Labour thought it was | :05:15. | :05:23. | |
on strong ground, it is now in absolute retreat. He hopes. Try not | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
to respond and just give me your moment of the week. Can I talk about | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
trains? In nine hours, I will be catching the East Coast mainline | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
train up to Hull. There was a debate in Parliament today. The East Coast | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
is the only publicly owned rail network. Its quality of service is | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
really good. I have been using it for 16 years and it has never been | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
better. It has handed back �640 million to the taxpayer. The debate | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
today from MPs from London to Aberdeen who use the East Coast was | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
dogmatic about this. It is delivering the goods, quality of | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
service is good, reliability is good. There is no earthly reason why | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
it should be franchised out. If it ain't, don't fix it. Privatise. | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
What a week to be a banker. Yes, I said banker, b-b-b banker. This | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
week, a long-awaited door stopper of a report on banking standards, which | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
must be the biggest oxymoron of our times, has proposed porridge for | :06:24. | :06:34. | |
bankers that engage in reckless misconduct. But if they can create a | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
financial crash by investing in assets they don't understand, money | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
launder for the Mexican drug cartel, help the Mullahs break Iranian | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
sanctions, fiddle the world's most important interest rate and rip off | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
their customers with dodgy mis-selling of products they don't | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
need, all without anybody going to jail, then what's a bit of reckless | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
misconduct when you're counting your bonus? In search of an answer, we | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
turned to American broadcaster and recovering banker, Max Keiser. This | :06:54. | :07:04. | |
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is his Take Of The Week. Welcome to London, the financial | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
capital of the world, home of legendary financial minds like | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
Andrew Neil and the honourable British banker. Neither of those | :07:24. | :07:34. | |
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statements is true. I worked on Wall Street in the 1980s when greed was | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
good. The same thing here in the city of London, where greed was | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
jolly good. Sure, we cut corners, but since the financial crisis, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
standards in the banking industry have collapsed. It is almost as if | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
crime is good. This week, a report on banking standards, commissioned | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
by the UK government, calls for a new criminal offence of reckless | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
misconduct, including a recommendation for jail sentences. | :08:06. | :08:15. | |
Oh, and a deferment of bonuses. That must really hurt! | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
# A British bank is run with precision, a British home requires | :08:21. | :08:29. | |
nothing less. Tradition and rules, without them, disorder, chaos, moral | :08:29. | :08:38. | |
disintegration, a ghastly mess. # Reckless misconduct and going to | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
jail. It sounds bad. Is it just typical British understatement? | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
Included in reckless misconduct is HSBC's laundering of billions of | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
pounds worth of Mexican drug cartel money. If you ask me how many | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
bankers are going to go to jail, I would posit that it will be about | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
the same number of Mexican drug cartel money launders that go to | :09:00. | :09:10. | |
jail. Very few. How do they get away with it? Well, according to the | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
report, they used the phrase, the murder on the Orient express | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
defence, which is a very nice way to say that they are operating as a | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
criminal syndicate, a crime family. Nobody in the organisation knows | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
what the whole organisation is up to, therefore none of them are | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
culpable and they all escape prosecution. These people deserve | :09:36. | :09:46. | |
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the name many have given them. Gangsters. But will it work? Over | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
the past few decades we have had big and bigger bubbles, big and bigger | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
bursting, and calls for reform. This looks pretty much exactly like that. | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
I have a better idea. It might be time to take the law into our own | :10:08. | :10:18. | |
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hands. If you see a banker running When he got out of jail, he came | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
from the blustery Millennium Bridge to our own studio full of bluster | :10:28. | :10:37. | |
here in Westminster. Max Keiser, welcome to this week. A pleasure to | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
be here. I am not sure what you think we should do about the | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
bankers? If they want to act like gangsters, maybe they should get | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
whacked. There should be some deterrent for what they are doing. | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
They want to be this conquering bank staff type, and yet they do not | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
suffer any penalties. Take a page out of Tony Soprano's book. What | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
would he do in this situation? It would not be pretty, would it? | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
not think governments can do that. You have to ask how complicit the | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
government is in some of these activities. They got a lot of tax | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
revenue when the banks were booming. But they cost the UK economy a | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
tremendous amount of tax revenue that would have been realised had | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
there been more honest enterprise allowed. And there would not have | :11:29. | :11:39. | |
been the crash. Is it the system, or rogue individuals? It is systemic. | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
It is the system and it starts at the Bank of England, that has been | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
allowing for artificially low interest rates to fuel the | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
speculation and the bad debt. The Bank of England was also named in | :11:50. | :11:59. | |
the LIBOR scandal, along with Barclays. Are you saying we must now | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
say Mervyn King should be going to jail? He says he is going to spill | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
the beans now that he is out of his role. They all say that. Do you | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
think this report will make a blind bit of difference? I don't think it | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
will. The things that have already happened, it seems to me, raise the | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
question as to what criminality has occurred. I have been amazed that | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
over the last six years there has been no attempt, apparently, to see | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
what criminal activity was involved. It seems extraordinary that the | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
banks could suddenly fall off a cliff, and that it could be the case | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
that everything that had been reported to shareholders and the | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
public up to that point had been correct. How could that possibly be | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
the case? It seems to me that we must have been misled, shareholders | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
must have been misled. There are criminal offences involved in all of | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
that. I have seen no assiduous effort are prosecuting authorities | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
to investigate what happened and what charges could have been | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
brought. I really do think, until we see large numbers of anchors in | :13:00. | :13:07. | |
handcuffs, we are not go into make much of a change in this. There is | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
vacancy talk of this offence of reckless, not clear what it means, | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
and the suggestion that some bankers should wait ten years for their | :13:16. | :13:24. | |
bonuses. At Question Time, Prime Minister's Questions, the two front | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
benches agreed, it seemed like an exercise in banker bark, because it | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
is pop larks rather than something that will change the system. Yes, | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
and this is the third report. The Vickers Report was competed in 2010. | :13:41. | :13:51. | |
He was on it with advance cable and there's a feeling that it is | :13:51. | :13:59. | |
business as usual, we just have to go through hoops first. Tyree | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
doesn't want a report that will sit on a shelf and gathers dust, so they | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
tried through legislation. Another defence bankers use is that the | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
system is too fragile and if you prosecute us now the system will | :14:15. | :14:25. | |
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collapse. They say for example during the 20 a 08 crash -- 2008 | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
crash there was skulduggery going on and in the US system a deal was done | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
backstage where they said if you don't give us the bail-out the | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
market is going to crash. They used the power of the market almost as a | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
bludgeoning stick. You could say they are almost extorting their | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
rights, as they are getting tremendous benefits every time a | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
chant closes they end up getting all the benefits and we end up picking | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
up the tab. But politicians in this country seem to want to face both | :14:58. | :15:06. | |
ways at once. On the one hand they dine out on bash bashing bankers and | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
on the other hand they big up London as the most important financial | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
sector in the world. Here's the risk. The balance sheet of the Bank | :15:17. | :15:26. | |
of England has gone fro 8�8 trillion... The question is, should | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
you prosecute bankers? I would say, how desperate are you for growth in | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
the UK? They are imping growth by forcing the Government to issue more | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
and more bonds which end up on the balance sheet of the Bank of | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
England. That's interest cost. That's all brought about by these | :15:44. | :15:52. | |
bank steres that refuse to step out of the way and allow competition. | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
They want privileged access. As harsh as this sounds you would allow | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
interest rates to start to creep up. That's about to happen in the United | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
States. And around the world. Not because of policies that were put | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
together by responsible governments but because there is a bond crash. | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
I've talked to you on this show before. That's happening now, with | :16:15. | :16:22. | |
interest rates elsewhere rising. Haven't we reached a sorry pass when | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
only Boris is prepared to speak up for bankers among the political | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
class? There is a dilemma here. I meet a lot of bankers socially and | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
professionally. He mixes with the bad guys. There is no doubt they | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
were highly innovative and clever people and they make a lot of money | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
for their banks and potentially for Britain. Recently they have cost | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
Britain an awful lot of money, an absolute fortune. I think the thing | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
you have to get clear in your mind is that tough regulation, including | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
criminal sanctions, does not drive the banking community away from | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
London. It would provide London with a place where the entire world knew | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
that they were going to be treated fairly, cleanly, professionally and | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
transparently. This traditionally has been the great strength of | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
Britain. It is in many areas. People flock from all over the world to do | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
business under English law - and I say English law - because they know | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
they will be treated fairly and equally. All the scandals come | :17:32. | :17:40. | |
through London, as it has the most lax rectory... All the stuff Lehman | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
was doing was out of London. We must not be afraid of being the most | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
regulated. What he is saying is you are living in a age where London's | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
long gone, London almost compared to New York is the casino of banking | :17:53. | :18:01. | |
now. You can outsource your fraud to London. The bankers in New York know | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
that. There is no limit to rehypothecation of securities. | :18:07. | :18:16. | |
don't often use that phrase on This Week! So don't even explain it. | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
Traditionally and in fields other than banking the fact that English | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
law is fair and transparent has been an amazing invisible export. In | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
other words it is attractive. still is in the banking world. | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
Arrest some bankers. Here is my prediction. You all agree, it won't | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
happen. That's my prediction. Max Keiser, thank you. I've brought | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
these for you Andrew. These are special handcuffs. What were you | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
doing in nigh bedroom? It is great to see Max. He put all his money | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
into gold and the market crashed, so he needs be here to get his money | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
back. Now, it's late - Daft Punk late, and | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
like our robotic French friends, we stay up late to get lucky, which so | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
far has been a totally unrewarding endeavour. But we live in hope, and | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
tonight we have company, because waiting in the wings are broadcaster | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
Trisha Goddard and Sky Sports presenter Charlie Webster, here to | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
talk about domestic violence and what can be done about it. Remember, | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
there is no need for any kind of abuse on the Twitter, floss book or | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
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even the good old Interweb. Even if you are a needy old support other -- | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
an EDL supporter. Now, a group of the world's most powerful leaders - | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
plus Canada - came together this week on a golf course in Northern | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
Ireland. And against all odds, agreed a decisive and united course | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
of action. Not about tax avoidance - too many shoulds, coulds, and maybes | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
for that. And not about Syria - not with Mr Putin flexing his political | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
pecs. No, the one important thing they all agreed on was that the best | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
way to look like you know what you're doing is not to wear a tie. | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
If only they'd watched This Week, they'd know it doesn't work! Anyway, | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
Laura Kuenssberg didn't get the memo and headed off to the course by | :20:04. | :20:14. | |
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herself. This is her round-up of the political week. Look, golf is from | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
where I'm from, so if an Englishman can win the US Open I'm sure I can | :20:21. | :20:30. | |
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have a decent crack at it. How hard sooner or later. I did meet Rory | :20:47. | :20:54. | |
McIlroy last year and Rory offered to get my swing sorted. Which was a | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
plight way of saying, Mr President, you need help. Well at least I'm not | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
alone. And neither were Barack Obama and Dave, on a lovely golf course | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
with their world leader chums. They spared us the plus 4s, but what was | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
with that smart casual? Why weren't they wearing ties? Does it really | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
make that much difference what you wear if you are a leader of the | :21:20. | :21:30. | |
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properly attired he would have had more luck in talk to Vladimir Putin, | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
who was in jeans. He didn't get far in asking potato to incall off his | :21:51. | :22:00. | |
Syrian friends. We haven't... I'm concerned about elements of the | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
Syrian opposition but don't let's accept that there is only one | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
alternative to Assad and that is extremist terrorism. As far as Syria | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
was concerned, G8 got a little lost. The deal in the end was more a bogey | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
than a birdie, but the Prime Minister did manage to find | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
something on his score card. A sort of deal to do something about those | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
who are cheating tax. We can rewrite the international rules that allow | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
companies to shift their profits away from the UK or any other | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
country where they are doing business. These companies are using | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
the existing tax laws, obviously you have to get international agreement | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
and there is no better place to start than when you've got eight of | :22:49. | :22:58. | |
the largest economies in the world sitting around the table. Of course | :22:58. | :23:05. | |
the risk is, if we abide by those new rules and nobody else does poor | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
old UK PLC could end up stuck in the bunk banker, and poor old dodgy | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
bankers might not be able to take up golf. Instead they might end up | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
stuck in the slammer. Following the parliamentary commission on banking | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
can the Prime Minister confirm he supports its recommendation on | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
bonuses and criminal penalties and he will use the banking bill to | :23:30. | :23:37. | |
implement them? Making sure that bhoonks are in receipt of taxpayer | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
taxpayers' money that you can claw back bad bonus I say yes too. | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
Government is gung-ho about changing the law, even though that idea might | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
never be used. RBS it seems might never actually be sold. The | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
Chancellor still seems quite unsure what to do the banks that left us | :23:57. | :24:04. | |
broke. I will only sell our stake in RBS when we feel the bank is fully | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
able to support our economy and when we get good value for you, the | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
taxpayer. In our judgment, when it comes to RBS, that moment is some | :24:16. | :24:25. | |
:24:26. | :24:29. | ||
way off. It is a long road to the general election, for Ed Miliband or | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
Steven twig it was Labour's education policy. It is just as easy | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
to understand as driving the one of these. Where a school freedom | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
promotes higher standards, we will extend those freedoms to all | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
schools. So if a freedom that is currently afforded to an academy is | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
serving to drive up standards, that freedom should be available to all | :24:52. | :25:02. | |
:25:02. | :25:10. | ||
Look! It was here all along. Of course, the Education Secretary is | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
so relaxed about it all he has apparently taken up golf. Not such a | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
good week for his colleague at health, who is having to deal with | :25:19. | :25:26. | |
the late he's hideous cover-up. events at Morecambe Bay, | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
Mid-Staffordshire and other hospitals should never have been | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
covered up but should not have happened in the first place. We need | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
to transform the approach to patient safety in our NHS. Finishing all too | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
easy for the Tories to blame Labour, after all even though those names | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
are now out there it was them who set up the Care Quality Commission | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
in the first place. See, Alan, Andrew and Michael, not so hard | :25:53. | :26:03. | |
after all. Join me for one tonne 19? -- for one on the 19? That was Laura | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
Kuenssberg breaking all the rules at high great golf club in London. | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
Allarges you are a former Health Secretary. What did you make of | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
these stories about the Care Quality Commission or the no-care, | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
no-quality commission? Horrendous, and horrendous what happened at | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
Morecambe Bay and then the cover-up and the suggestion they had to | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
redact that information because it breached data protection, and the | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
Information Commissioner said no. It is awful. You have to remember, the | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
Care Quality Commission was putting together three different regulators. | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
There was a regulator in adult social care, one in the NHS and one | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
in mental health. There was no regulation. There was no inspection | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
before 2000. No-one knew, there was no complaints system that went | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
outside the hospital. There was no scrutiny and no tarns partner at | :27:02. | :27:09. | |
the. That is not to -- and no transparency. Whatever happened | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
before 2000... This is, this leads to a reassessment, given what | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
happened in Mid-Staffordshire and now what we know happened in | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
Morecambe and the cover-up by people who were meant to be the good guys, | :27:23. | :27:32. | |
doesn't this under, this goes a long way to undermining the national | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
attitude to the NHS. Well, no. This was Michael ace point at the | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
beginning. I don't think it does. I think what it does... Maybe it | :27:45. | :27:53. | |
does? The enemies of the NHS have always suggested there is a better | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
way of dealing with the NHS. There is a better way of ensuring that | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
hospitals are better regulated, that it is more transparent, but it is | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
amazing how little there was in that area before this regulation was | :28:07. | :28:14. | |
introduced. That's why we are saying it is the greatest health service in | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
the world. It is perfectly obvious that if you appoint a public sector | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
regulator, what they are going to do is they are, if anything goes | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
wrong,er in going to have to protect themselves against the accusation | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
that they didn't spot what was going wrong, so they are immediately in a | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
defensive position. When the Mid-Staffordshire thing was revealed | :28:36. | :28:44. | |
two or three years ago, ten hospitals in worse mortality rates | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
and the Care Quality Commission said no need to look into those, we know | :28:47. | :28:57. | |
:28:57. | :28:59. | ||
why that is. People immediately smelt they were in the business of | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
When you have a public-sector regulator, that will happen. They | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
lose all contact with the original mission for which they are | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
established. We saw it with gas, electricity, the telephone companies | :29:12. | :29:21. | |
and everything. They begin to think they are there for themselves. | :29:21. | :29:28. | |
private sector... We see the same with financial regulators in the | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
private sector. We have a problem with good regulation with both | :29:31. | :29:38. | |
sectors. The solution is to give some power to the people who are the | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
patients, customers, clients, which is what you do as soon as in the | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
electricity, telephone and gas companies. You make them customers | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
who are paying for a service and you get a service because the people | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
supplying the service understand that people have power. In health, | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
the patients have no power, no control, no rights and are treated | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
appallingly. That was the case, Michael, but it is not the case now. | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
You could not pursue a complaint outside the local hospital. There | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
was nowhere to go. There is nowhere to go now. Have you not seen these | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
people being bought off with enormous payments to keep quiet? | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
are talking about the quality of the regulation. The only thing that | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
stands between us and the abyss is the free press. These things are | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
coming out by press investigation. Let's move on. It is an interesting | :30:36. | :30:43. | |
argument. Let me come to the G8. Let me come to Syria, because it is the | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
most important foreign policy issue at the time. It is clear to me that | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
there is not going to be a major Western intervention in Syria. Right | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
or wrong, it is not going to happen. And nor is there going to be a | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
diplomatic solution, because if Assad knows there is not going to be | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
won, and Russia knows there is not going to be one, why would you do a | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
diplomatic solution? He is winning. I do not think there should be an | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
intervention in Syria. This is becoming more and more a Civil War, | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
a war between Shia and Sunni. I think Putin is right on this. He has | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
been the one right from the start who has been saying, be realistic | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
about what is happening. He can be realistic because he is supplying | :31:34. | :31:40. | |
the guns on planes. There is no easy answer here, and Cameron has tried | :31:40. | :31:47. | |
really hard. I think, in my view, he is wrong that if somehow if they | :31:47. | :31:53. | |
lifted the arms embargo if they persuaded Putin to say that he would | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
be much more strong in terms of being much more critical, that they | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
would get a peace summit in July-August. That does not seem | :32:01. | :32:09. | |
possible now. Can anybody here, two of you, give me a scintilla of | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
evidence that Assad is prepared to negotiate a peace deal? Of course | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
not. But I agree largely with Alan. I do not understand why the British | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
government has got itself on this hook of wanting to supply arms to | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
the rebels. It is simply too dangerous. We have two little | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
understanding of the situation, and as has been implied, it is | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
escalating into a much broader situation of Sunni versus Shia, and | :32:35. | :32:41. | |
I do not think we have a dog in that fight. You may have a dog in that | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
fight if it becomes a regional conflict. Which dog is it?That, I | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
have no idea. I am not arguing for intervention but I am saying if you | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
are not going to get a diplomatic solution, which seems impossible, | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
the West is not going to intervene, for very good reasons, then you need | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
to face up to the fact that, backed by Russia, with all the modern | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
armaments that Russia has, Assad will win and there will be one hell | :33:08. | :33:17. | |
of a reckoning when that happens. The trouble is, the next step is to | :33:17. | :33:24. | |
intervene. And President Obama has no interest in this. Journalistic | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
colleagues who were there in Northern Ireland said that the | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
indifference of visiting Obama to almost anything we are talking about | :33:30. | :33:37. | |
was palpable. I can believe that. Can you explain Labour's schools | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
policy? Yes. Out there, there is a confusion of academies, frees | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
Gauls, state schools, trust schools. What Stephen Twigg was saying was | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
that it does not matter what they are called, they should all have the | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
freedom that academy schools have, but there should be a collaboration | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
between schools in an area. That is the problem. The Department of | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
education runs all of these academies. It is centralisation. | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
Well done, you did a better job than Stephen Twigg. Another domino has | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
fallen. Over the last four weeks we have seen all of these Labour | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
dominoes go down. I will tell you the domino that has fallen, Michael | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
Gove has not gone for selective education. Selective education is | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
possible under what he is doing. Now, Diane Abbott may have had her | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
faults, and we don't have enough time to go into them all now, but | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
you could never accuse her of treating trophy husband Michael | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
Portillo with anything other than the respect he didn't deserve. But | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
for many people, their relationships aren't anywhere near as pretty. And | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
with a high-profile case of domestic abuse in the news this week, we | :34:45. | :34:55. | |
:34:55. | :35:01. | ||
decided to put domestic violence in domestic violence. Nigella Lawson's | :35:01. | :35:07. | |
cultivated image as the woman who has it all - attractive, | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
successful, confident - has cracked this week, after photographs showed | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
her husband with his hands around her throat. The assault resulted in | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
a caution for Charles Saatchi and put the hidden bruisers of abuse | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
back in the media spotlight, reinforcing our knowledge that anger | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
and aggression are not the preserve of a particular social class. So why | :35:32. | :35:39. | |
does it take such a shocking image to make us sit up and finally take | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
notice. One in four women are affected cheering their life. Are | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
the media and politicians doing enough to highlight the issue? Like | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
Tina Turner before her, will public scrutiny of Nigella's pain perhaps | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
give other woman the hope that they deserve? It has been a big story, | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
partly because it involved two very well-known people, particularly | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
Nigella Lawson, and the pictures that were taken. We have Trisha and | :36:07. | :36:14. | |
Charlie here. Why is this of particular importance to you? | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
woman's aid ambassador for the past three years and I do a lot of | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
fundraising and raise awareness. It is very personal to me and I believe | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
it is a prevalent issue, and some of the fundraising I have done is | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
running marathons, stand-up comedy. This is set up with women who are | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
being abused? Yes, but children as well. They are shutting refuges, | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
helplines, access, and also campaigning to get things in. | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
been involved in mental health for 27 years. Where you get any domestic | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
abuse, against women, children, men, you usually get some mental health | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
fallout. This story resonated because it involved two famous | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
people, two famous names, one particularly famous person. We have | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
the photographs, that happened in the open air. But also because it | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
involved, just to summarise a little bit, it involved well-known, | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
middle-class people who are posh. Don't you think? There is a | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
stereotype. People often point to the guests on my show both in | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
England and in the states, there is a stereotype that it is a | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
working-class problem, the sort of thing that happens on a sink estate. | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
Suddenly, it is posh people in a posh restaurant. I keep thinking | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
that if we had been talking about Nicky and Chaz at the local | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
McDonald's, somebody would have jumped up. We would have had the | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
Angel of Anglesey would have intervened, and politicians would be | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
talking about the issue. I get the feeling there is a lot of | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
embarrassment about it, because what do we do? They are not them, they | :37:59. | :38:06. | |
are us. There is a class element. Yes, but it is important not just | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
the class element at the fact that people think Nigella is confident | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
and independent. What do you expect a woman going through domestic abuse | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
to look like? Her head on the floor? As Tricia has said, it happens to | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
outwardly confident and independent women because it is not all about | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
physical violence. It is emotional abuse, financial control as well. | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
And image. But that is what made it such an important story, because it | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
countered the public caricature that abuse only happens among poor | :38:40. | :38:48. | |
people, among very strong men and very weak women. And this showed, | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
actually, it can happen in any social strata, and it is happening. | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
It is interesting to see the comments people are making online. | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
If you look online at the newspapers, it has attracted a lot | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
of comment all the way through from, this is a trifling matter, nothing | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
to do with anybody else, we should stay out of it, it should be behind | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
closed doors, although it was a public place, all the way to outrage | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
and run, Nigella, run. There is a whole spectrum of reaction. That | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
shows the lack of understanding of domestic abuse. To think it should | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
happen in the home, that is such an old-fashioned thing. It is a society | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
problem and has a massive impact on society, on children, on financial | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
imprecations of society as well. And just because it is happening in the | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
home, does that mean it is OK? People have said this will lead to | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
more awareness and understanding of domestic abuse. There is also a | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
possibility that, at the end of the day, this is as much a story about | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
celebrity as it is about domestic abuse. There is an element of that. | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
But I come back to the posh bird bit. I am waiting for all of the | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
newspapers who usually cover the posh end of things to start actually | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
running campaigns aimed at middle-class women. I think that | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
would break a lot of the taboos, and a lot of the myths about domestic | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
violence. But also aimed at men. Why is it a women issue? Surely, as a | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
man, you want to be, I am not tarnished as that, as somebody who | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
would hit, control a woman. I do not want to be tarnished with that. Men | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
have sisters, mothers, grandmas, so it is not just a women's issue. | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
Politicians were forced to get involved in this, and Nick Clegg and | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
others, not very successfully. is domestic violence. 30 years ago | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
that might have just passed, because 30 years ago the police did not take | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
domestic violence seriously. Statistics show that since they did | :41:05. | :41:12. | |
start to take it seriously, and domestic violence has come down, | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
other forms of crime have gone down as well. There is an argument that | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
says if people get away with domestic violence, they commit other | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
crimes. I think you have said everything there is to say about | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
it. If it was a truck driver or a labourer, people would have passed | :41:32. | :41:38. | |
it by. Now they realise that domestic violence affects everybody. | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
But have we intruded into a problem that is between this couple, and if | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
it involves abuse it should involve the police. You would like to think | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
if you saw a woman with a man with his hand around her neck, you would | :41:53. | :42:02. | |
not take a pic of it, you would go and try and help the woman. Let me | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
bring in Michael. I was wondering what the impact of celebrity was. On | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
the one hand, we say it is good that there is a focus on issues that had | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
been hidden. Many of us are puzzled as to why women cannot get out of | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
abusive situations. This can go on for years and years and they never | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
feel able to walk away. If it really is the case that Nigella is in an | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
abusive situation and has not been able to walk away, this makes it | :42:30. | :42:38. | |
even more extraordinary. I wonder whether people would think, if even | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
Nigella cannot walk away, how could I be expected to do that? Are we in | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
danger of reading too much into one incident with famous people of which | :42:47. | :42:54. | |
someone took a photograph? You spoke about interference. You should not | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
intervene because you are at risk from the perpetrator and the victim. | :42:57. | :43:03. | |
The victim is in this situation, but you do not know what control is | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
going on in that environment, the home environment. It is not just | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
physical. This is really important. We do not know anything other than | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
the picture. You should call the police, because you do not know the | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
consequences that home. It might get worse if you intervene. Many people | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
have said, why is there this debate when we do not know what is going | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
on? Is it to my husband, how would you be if in public you said | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
something I did not like, and the only way I could shut you up would | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
be to put your hand over -- my hand over your mouth, or you put your | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
hands over my throat? In public, if you can do that under those | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
circumstances, in public, what can you do behind closed doors? | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
That's your lot for tonight, folks. But not for us. Because, like good | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
girl guides, we're being true to ourselves tonight and heading to | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
Annabel's with Trisha and Charlie. We've had to remind Michael that | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
Charlie's a talented amateur boxer, with a mean right-hook, so no funny | :44:03. | :44:12. | |
business during the cha-cha-cha, Choo Choo. But we leave you tonight | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
with news that President Obama dealt Chancellor Gideon a visibly crushing | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
blow this week at the G8 when he apparently confused Boy George | :44:18. | :44:21. |