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Stand-by for the most extraordinary chain of events ever | :00:00. | :00:22. | |
swept up into high adventure by Airplane. | :00:23. | :00:31. | |
All right now, everybody, get in crash positions. | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
Is the party heading for a crash landing? | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
Let's hear from First Officer, Suzanne Evans. | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
There's been some turbulence of late but the sky's the limit for Ukip. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley. | :00:52. | :01:06. | |
Luckily, we are in safe hands with captain Andrew Rawnsley. | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Fog over Heathrow, lightning over Brexit. | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
Is it safe to fly with Captain May and her quarrelsome cabin crew? | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
Charlie Brooker's keeping up appearances. | :01:22. | :01:37. | |
I may look happy to be here, but trust me, on the inside, I am | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
nosediving. Hold onto your seats, | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
we could be in for a turbulent ride. Knock back the Blue Nun | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
and inhale some oxygen. And I begin with the news that is | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
rocking the media world tonight. As of US election Day on November | :01:51. | :02:17. | |
8th, we're leaving this godforsaken late-night wasteland to which we've | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
been consigned by pitiless schedulers and BBC Yentobs, | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
and we're moving to Yes, The Donald, who will clearly | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
have time on his hands from November 9th, is setting up his own channel | :02:27. | :02:38. | |
and we will be the crown jewels. We'll take no notice | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
of our overnight ratings, because these will obviously be | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
rigged by a jealous Newsnight. We won't build a wall | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
to keep viewers out. But we might have to resort | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
to a very high fence We will, of course, test all guests | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
for drugs before they appear, to make sure they've | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
taken their contractual minimum. If only we could get | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
Michael to take more. And we will never, ever, | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
ever have a bad word to say about President Putin, | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
whom Mr Trump assures us It doesn't mean we're puppets but it | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
does mean just about every member of the Stop The War Coalition | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
is bound to watch us. And there could be residuals to | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
pocket from reruns on Russia Today. Speaking of those who'd | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
sell their granny just to be on an infomercial | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
in the middle of the night, I'm joined on the sofa by two | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
child migrants who refuse to give their age but, | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
looking at their teeth, I speak, of course, | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
of the Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle of late-night political chat | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
has-beens, Chuka #smoothoperator Umunna and | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
Michael #choochoo Portillo. Your moment of the week. On the | :03:50. | :04:08. | |
subject you have valued at two, Britain did commit to take from the | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
Calais Campbell vulnerable children. Many of us have the idea of eight, | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
ten, 12-year-olds who could be very vulnerable, in great danger and it | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
would be a great humanitarian act to take them. But as I understand it, | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
none of the children that one would designate as vulnerable have been | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
taken by Britain. It seems to have been a complete failure of policy. | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
But we have been amused, outrage, shocked to see these wrinkly people | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
with stubble claiming to be children, emerging from the camps. | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
My point is that the incompetence of the British immigration authorities | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
seems to know no bounds. If one is trying to think back to why we voted | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
Brexit, there are many reasons but one is that the public simply does | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
not trust written to control to understand or to manage immigration | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
in the least. And at a time when it is not terribly convenient to | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
Theresa May, that perception seems to have been reinforced. My moment | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
has to be the debate, the Hillary- Trump final debate, and in | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
particular, adding he was the one who brought it up, going to her 30 | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
years of experience. She went into this wonderful diatribe when she | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
said in the 1970s when she was working in the children's defence | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
fund, fighting against discrimination, you were being | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
prosecuted for discriminating against people in your apartments. | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
In the 1980s when I was working to resolve problems in Arkansas | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
schools, you borrowed 4 million from your father to start a business. In | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
the 1990s when I was fighting for women's rights in Beijing, seeing | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
them as human rights, you were having a row with Miss universe. She | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
finished by saying, when I was sitting in the situation room with | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the President watching over the operation to get in lard, you were | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
hosting an episode of The Apprentice. A wonderful knock-down | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
of a vile human being who wear hope never becomes President of the night | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
to the. You are referring to Trump, presumably. Well, it looks like you | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
might get your way. The debate was a disaster -- was not a disaster for | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
Mr Trump but did not give him the breakthrough needed. | :06:27. | :06:27. | |
"Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
So said French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre. | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
Anyway, neither would be natural advisers for Ukip to turn to. | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
But when you look at what's happened to Ukip since it helped | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
win the referendum, you can see that Jean Paul, | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
A new poll suggests that support for Ukip has halved | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
We turned to Suzanne Evans, who's in training, though I can't | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
Ukip's on the ropes, says the Westminster commentariat. | :06:55. | :07:11. | |
We're not the sort of party that's going to throw in the towel, | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
and if anyone can roll with the political punches, | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
The first thing our new leader needs to do is get stuck into the fight | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
They are trying to beat us back to Brussels, | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
so we need to grab the gloves, roll up our sleeves | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
and drag the government through the EU exit door. | :07:33. | :07:41. | |
Next, they have to be up for a rumble in the Westminster | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
jungle, ready to take the battle to both the blue | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
Right, lads, that's enough in the ring. | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
Take that, you anti-British Corbynites. | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
Theresa, you Tories have gone soft on law and order. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
Ukip will take that vacancy, thank you. | :08:04. | :08:04. | |
Ukip needs to get MPs in Parliament so we need a new strategy to get | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
I think that means ditching the right-wing Trump-style rhetoric | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
and taking command of the patriotic common sense centre. | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
I mean a strong, sensible centre that cuts the foreign aid budget, | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
spends more on defence, slashes energy bills, | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
acts tough on corporate tax avoidance and backs | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
a National Health Service, not an international one. | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
Ukip can reach a Britain of proud people who have been | :08:37. | :08:50. | |
Reach out to women, broaden our appeal, | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
and I reckon millions more votes are within our grasp. | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
So let's get the gloves and deliver a knockout blow to the opposition. | :09:02. | :09:11. | |
Thank you to the ladies and gentleman at Balham Boxing Club | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
Now you know what I have to put up with every week. Suzanne Evans joins | :09:14. | :09:29. | |
us. They had to be very patient. Boxing does not come naturally. Do | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
you want to be next leader of Ukip? I am considering it carefully. I | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
think our last leader did not perhaps consider it carefully | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
enough, lasting only 18 days. I am taking soundings. It sounds like a | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
yes to me. I have yet to reach a decision. It is a momentous task. | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
What would be a consideration for you wanting to be leader and a | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
consideration against? For leader, is the fact that I have quite a lot | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
of pressure to stand. I am very aware that there are people who want | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
me to stand. I suppose against, to be leader of any political party, | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
particularly Britain's third largest political party, is a massive | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
lifestyle change and an enormous stress on anyone. Nigel is talking | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
about how he wants his life back. The new leader of Ukip will be | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
giving up their life for some considerable period. The last leader | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
resigned within days, the favourite to succeed her got thumped and left | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
the party. Are you sure you want the job? That is what I am weighing up. | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
That you might get thumped? I do not think I will get thumped. Ukip does | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
not have the best reputation. I know there are stories. I have been out | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
campaigning myself where people seem to think we are a party that we are | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
not. And our campaigners get spat at and it is difficult. I was thinking | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
more abuse from your own fellow politicians. Isn't the truth that | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
the party is dysfunctional without Nigel Farage? I don't agree with | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
that, absolutely not. I think Nigel's going is a chance for a | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
fresh approach and some fresh blood. Not literally. I had better get that | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
in. You are walking into this. I don't need to say anything. I don't | :11:28. | :11:36. | |
agree. Any organisation... That is what it seems like, otherwise he | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
would not be on his third coming. He keeps on coming back. I don't think | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
he wants to cling on any longer. I would not be so sure. Any | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
organisation which has a strong central figure will have growing | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
pains. Business, politics, whatever it is. Does Ukip have a future? It | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
depends who leads it. Probably Suzanne would be the best person. I | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
think if it has a leader the public is unaware of, it has no chance. | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
Because, as Suzanne said, there are certain things to go for but they | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
are competing directly with the Conservatives to gain Labour voters, | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
mainly, I think, in the North of England. So the position on Brexit, | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
the position on a more equal society, on criticising companies | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
that do not pay tax, those are the things that Ukip wants to talk about | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
but also what Theresa May is talking about. Theresa May is a prominent | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
figure. Unless it Ukip can produce someone who is outstanding, a | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
household name, they do not stand a chance. Otherwise, they do stand a | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
chance because the government is always vulnerable to things going | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
wrong. For example, I just mention that immigration is more going well. | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
It is very well talking about it, but the government are vulnerable on | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
it. You cannot get away, like the Liberal Democrats, you cannot have a | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
Tim Farron, otherwise you had might as well or go home. I'm sure Tim | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
Farron enjoy that! Does Ukip have a future? In the short term, yes. In | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
the medium to long term, the jury is out. In some senses, who leads it is | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
irrelevant unless they actually establish their purpose and how they | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
want to position themselves. There seems to be a division. I get a | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
sense from Suzanne, who wants to go for building a broader support base | :13:31. | :13:38. | |
for Ukip, attack some of the stereotypes and characteristics that | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
people have seen promoted around Ukip. On the other hand, you have | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
those like the person who would be her principal opponent, Rahim, a | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
different politician of the Donald Trump tea party Republican school. | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
He would not be the principal opponent if Paul Nuttall was going | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
to run. I don't think he is going to. Is he going to run? Paul and I | :14:07. | :14:18. | |
are talking. A North- South ticket? I don't know if that is going to | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
happen. To whom do you think you are a bigger threat if you could get the | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
show back on the road, the Tory party or the Labour Party? With the | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
current state of politics in Britain, I think it is the Labour | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
Party. We are the Patriot party. With the Labour Party at the moment | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
you have the leader who will not sing the British National Party | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
them. You have his Shadow Foreign Secretary who is, who has supported | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
the IRA, over the British Army, in the past, the Shadow Chancellor. You | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
have the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, once open door | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
immigration, and Emily Thornberry you can't stand the England flag. | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
Working-class people are proud of their community and their country | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
and Labour is letting them down. That has to be our primary audience. | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
Isn't that a fair analysis, in the sense that when Ukip came to | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
prominence it was above all a threat to the Tories, which is why Mr | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
Cameron called a referendum to see off the threat. They began by | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
picking off votes in the south, Tory votes, disillusioned Tories. But now | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
that we are getting Brexit and it is not an issue for Tory- inclined | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
voters, isn't it Labour voters, the ordinary Labour vote in the north | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
that could be in danger, when you have a London- dominated Labour | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
Party that does not appeal for the reasons Suzanne has said? | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
There is no denying. All parties will claim to be patriotic. Nobody | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
has a monopoly on that. I've been clear in terms of the Labour Party. | :16:00. | :16:08. | |
I'm pay rattic and we cannot afford to be seen as not so. Is this Labour | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
Leadership patriotic? I think this Labour Leadership is. They would | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
argue they are. But is it? I believe they are. I don't believe any party | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
has a monopoly on that. But symbols matter. Whether you sing the | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
National Anthem, whether you have pride in our Armed Forces, for | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
example, that kind of stuff matters. Is Ukip, if it could reconstitute | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
itself, get its show back on the road, do you agree with the | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
analysis, it would be a bigger threat to Labour than the North in | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
the Tories and the south? Yes, but I think the Tories are a very big | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
threat to Labour in the North as well. So it's competition between | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
those two parties for the same lot of voters. I do think Labour is | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
extraordinarily vulnerable to losing those votes, well probably to both | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
those parties. If you look at the polls, it would seem that the Advent | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
of Theresa May and the way she's seeking to position the Tories as a | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
fiscally almost Kensian reforically it is, we await to see whether it's | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
in the Autumn Statement and socially Conservative, if she's making a huge | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
grab for Ukip votes. Labour vote. She's trying to do that on the | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
Labour side as well but it seems in polling terms she's had more success | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
against Ukip than she has on us, maybe I'm wrong on that. Ukip has | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
one seat and Labour has hundreds, it's worth mentioning, so it's clear | :17:40. | :17:51. | |
where the target is. Suzanne, the Tories like strong female leaders, | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
why don't you go there? Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, it | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
doesn't fit any more. I'm not sure it ever did, to be honest. I'm at | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
home in Ukip, it suits me. We look forward to your announcement which | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
you almost did tonight. I don't think so. Oh, I do. The viewers will | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
make up their minds. Thank you. too-late-to-hold-on-to-your-gong | :18:10. | :18:20. | |
late. But enough of Philip Green, | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
I never liked his underpants anyway, because waiting in the wings is TV | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
satirist Charlie Brooker, who's coming on just | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
to be rude about us. Or maybe he wants to plug his own | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
dystopian television programme. And if, like Charlie, | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
you're paranoid about technology, snap shut the Snap Numpty, | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
sell your Instagranny and abandon I have absolutely no | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
idea what I'm on about. Now it's 100 days since Theresa May | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
became Prime Minister. And a short time to go | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
from hero to zero. But with Brexit blues, | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
bottled runway decisions, economic uncertainty as far | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
as the eye can see, a child abuse inquiry in chaos and a cabinet | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
bickering like every night is fright night, I think we can safely say | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
the May honeymoon is over. Anyway, here's Andrew Rawnsley | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
with his Round Up of the week. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, | :19:24. | :19:38. | |
I'd like to welcome passengers aboard this Theresa May Airways | :19:39. | :19:55. | |
flight to destination...unknown. I've just spoken to air traffic | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
control and I'm sorry to report that they still won't give us | :20:04. | :20:13. | |
clearance to take off anywhere. There's continuing fog over | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
the runway to Brexit, the inquiry into historic child | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
abuse can't get airborne and the tower won't even give us | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
a decision about runway capacity Everyone now assumes | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
what the Prime Minister's privately calmed down for Heathrow expansion | :20:31. | :20:40. | |
but she won't even confirm that. The Davis Commission identified | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
three sites, all of which they said would be credible and deliverable, | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
and Government will take Not really; the final vote | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
in Parliament may be Oh, well, what's another 18 months | :20:50. | :20:59. | |
after going on for half a century Cheerleaders for Heathrow weren't | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
the only ones complaining. Champions of Gatwick | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
were also air sick. The Government decision to yet again | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
delay deciding where to build a new runway will cause unnecessary | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
uncertainty for British businesses Part of the reason for further delay | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
is this, Captain May's Cabinet The Prime Minister's solution | :21:26. | :21:36. | |
is to allow a free vote in Parliament and allow ministers | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
to campaign for and against. It's just like David Cameron did | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
with the Brexit referendum. If you are a minister, | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
if you sit round the Cabinet table as I've done in the past, | :21:50. | :21:59. | |
you have to go along with the collective decisions | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
or you don't have to be a minister, This fudge, this in-between world, | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
that's unacceptable and will do One of the reasons Mrs May | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
won her Prime Ministerial wings back in the summer is because she sold | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
herself as a cool, competent pilot of the nation, | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
someone you could trust So the row over the child | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
refugee policy is unwelcome to her and the continuing | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
controversies over the child abuse inquiry now on its fourth chair | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
are a serious embarrassment and an opportunity | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
for the opposition. She was the Home Secretary in April | :22:37. | :22:46. | |
and she was the only person So can she now finally tell us | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
when she personally learnt of the serious problems developing | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
in this inquiry and why it was There were stories around | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
about the inquiry and about But the Home Secretary cannot | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
intervene on the basis And did she do anything | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
about what she knew? The Government's hit its first patch | :23:13. | :23:24. | |
of serious turbulence over Brexit. Rival ministers are squabbling | :23:25. | :23:38. | |
over the flight plan, leaking accounts of their internal | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
debates to the media Who to send out to try | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
to pretend that they all Who else, but trolley | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
dolly, Boris Johnson. We are a nest of singing birds, | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
Mr Speaker, as you can imagine. Things are working extremely well, | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
which may come as a surprise to the honourable lady to know | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
and I have no doubt whatever that Boris on one of his | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
flights of fancy. One or more of the hard Brexiteers | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
have definitely been briefing him against the Chancellor, | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
Philip Hammond, and his friends A distinguished former | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
occupant of the office urged the Prime Minister to get a grip | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
on her quarrelsome crew. One or more Brexiteer members | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
of her Cabinet have been briefing the newspapers copiously on every | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
proposal being put forward, giving papers to the relevant Cabinet | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
committee by their colleagues and launching political attacks | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
on their Cabinet colleagues who seem Will she take firm action | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
to stop this process? # You can go your own way, | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
go your own way #. In his quiet way, the Chancellor | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
himself issued a coded rebuke of the hard Brexiteers | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
in the Cabinet fighting I think it would be far more helpful | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
to this debate if we were able to conduct these internal | :25:15. | :25:22. | |
discussions privately We need space to explore different | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
options, to discuss among ourselves. It's no secret that there | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
are different views. It's going to be a bumpy ride | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
on May Airways and we haven't even Andrew Rawnsley having rather too | :25:39. | :25:50. | |
much fun at Aces High, And from Air Traffic Control | :25:51. | :26:01. | |
in Central London, let's cross now to the Witney by-election, | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
Call Me Dave's old seat The Lib Dems came a poor third in | :26:08. | :26:22. | |
the general election, poor fourth sorry in the general election last | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
year, they were hoping for some kind of breakthrough, I guess maybe | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
second is the best they could hope for. Any sign of that? | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
They certainly are feeling extremely bullish, Andrew. I was just chatting | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
to one party aide watching some of the votes pile up saying that they | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
were feeling pretty confident about this. I don't think anyone thinks | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
they could seriously win this by-election but a good second | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
position would be important for them. Why, because they've been | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
campaigning on a pro- Remain ticket, if you like, they've been talking | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
about staying inside the single market. This was an area of the | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
country that voted to remain by about 54%. So they say in that way | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
it's a verdict on Theresa May and her approach to Brexit, her first | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
significant electoral test. Of course, David Cameron won the seat | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
with a stonking great majority last year, 25,000. Voters here have | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
returned a Conservative ever since the seat was created. The only time | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
it didn't have a Conservative MP was when the Conservative MP defected in | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
the late 1990s, that was Shaun Woodward. Anything that eats into | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
the majority would be considered by the Lib Dems to be a success and | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
also a problem for Labour if they knock them out of second place. | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
We'll see. Turnout looking low, 47%, we have had the provisional figure, | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
and we expect the result some time around 3 or 4 o'clock this morning. | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
Thank you. There is another by-election taking place today in | :27:54. | :28:01. | |
Huddersfield. This was caused by the tragic death, murder of Jo Cox, and | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
it's been uncontested by the other major parties, obviously minor | :28:09. | :28:09. | |
candidates standing. Our correspondent can't hear us | :28:10. | :28:23. | |
there. We are just going to have to leave that there. We did have some | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
sound problems, but it was worth having a go. Apologies to the | :28:28. | :28:35. | |
viewers. Chuka, both Remain and Leave made it | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
clear during the referendum that if we voted to leave the EU, that meant | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
leaving the single market. So why is this now a matter of dispute? Well, | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
I'm not so sure that people did say that. Let me just interrupt you. I | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
have David Cameron on tape and George Osborne on tape saying quite | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
clearly beyond per adventure, if you vote to leave the European Union, | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
you vote to leave the single market. Yes, but I think the difference was, | :29:07. | :29:15. | |
was that inextricably was linked to a debate around free movement. I've | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
argued for, I think what Theresa May should seek to do is to try to prove | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
both Leave and Remain wrong. Remain, and I was part of that campaign, | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
argued that you cannot have access to the single market, or Mercship, | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
without accepting the free movement. You can have access but not | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
membership? Yes, but... The politicians tend to fudge these two | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
things. The key thing is, you have to accept free movement as well | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
because there is no country that has membership of the single market and | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
doesn't are the free movement that goes with it. The thing that's | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
changed is that across the EU, they've got a massive issue with | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
this free movement. There's discontent around free movement. | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
It's going to hit the Germans, the French have general elections next | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
year, the Italians have it the year after. So there is a general | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
imperative. I follow German politics carefully, there is no way in which | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
Mrs Merkel is talking of interfering with free movement. I accept that. | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
If she doesn't move... Slightly different debate. Migration | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
generally, population... It's an issue. | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
What can be done there as a result of Brexit? Brexit has changed the | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
terms of debate. There is an opportunity to argue with European | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
counterparts, look, you need to reform. From the Leave point of | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
view, she could prove them wrong. It was not just about free movement. We | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
had Mr Cameron and George Osborne, the leaders of the Remainer campaign | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
categorical that if we vote to leave, we leave the single market. | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
Mr Cameron said at one stage that he would trigger article 50 immediately | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
to start the process. But the leaders of the Leave campaign, from | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
Nigel Farage through to Boris Johnson and others, said that if we | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
leave we would not be part of the jurisdiction of the European Court | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
of Justice, that we would end free movement in the way you have been | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
talking about and we would have the ability to make our own free trade | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
deals, which by definition been due are not in the customs union. All of | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
that together, or any one of them, means we leave the single market. So | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
I ask again, since Leave and Remain were so clear about it, why are you | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
now trying to fudge it? Identity any one is trying to fudge it. You are. | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
The Lib Dems are fighting in Witney tonight on saying we should stay in | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
the single market. With this negotiation we do not know what we | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
will be able to get. The negotiating positions of our counterparts are | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
not necessarily going to remain the same, because they could be a change | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
in government. The thing about the single market, tariff free access is | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
important. You look at the 10% tariff that would otherwise apply to | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
our cars. You don't know that. If we were trading under WTO rules. The EU | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
could decide that the 10% tariff is a maximum that you can do. The EU | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
could decide not to and we could decide not to. We don't know because | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
negotiations have barely started. This is why the point around | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
parliamentary scrutiny and consultation is important because we | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
have a mandate to the government to take us out of the European Union, | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
but terms which we have just been debating, they have no mandate | :32:42. | :32:50. | |
about. Isn't it the truth that we cannot, given our conditions, we | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
cannot be a member of the single market and it will come down to how | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
good a free-trade deal we can negotiate, that gives us the maximum | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
possible access without being a member? If we can't get that, we | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
will be forced back onto WTO rules, the default position. I thought the | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
first part of that has been made clear by Theresa May and I have said | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
on this programme before that I thought what she had said about the | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
single market, for instance at the party conference, was a statement of | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
the obvious. Saint is -- it is clear you cannot come back to the British | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
people and cannot come back to the Conservative Party. We are still | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
under the European Court of Justice and still cannot control | :33:33. | :33:34. | |
immigration. We cannot say those things so you have to leave the | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
single market. But those who will not accept the vote, the Financial | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
Times, the markets, have gone into meltdown about this. The markets | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
have been ignorant about the whole affair from the beginning. They | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
pumped up sterling thinking it would be Remain. They did not see the vote | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
coming and have not followed through the logic. Apparently when Theresa | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
May said a statement of the blinding obvious, the markets go into | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
meltdown. Apparently Number Ten has not ruled out altogether continued | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
membership of the single market. There is a reason for that but I | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
have not got time to explain it because I want to go to another | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
issue. Heathrow, is it the right decision to have another runway? | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
Yes, we should do it and stop dithering. She is not quite bottling | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
it, but it is a fudge, isn't it? This is the problem with major break | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
multiple parliament infrastructure decisions. You have constant dither | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
and delay because short-term political inconvenience gets in the | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
way of the long-term decision in the interests of our country. There are | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
a number of things that need to be taken into account. Will it deliver | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
the extra capacity? Yes. Can you deal with environmental concerns? I | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
believe so. Will it deliver growth for London and the whole of the | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
country? Yes, so get on with it. I think she did bottle it. The | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
briefing to the press was that we will have a clear-cut announcement. | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
I cannot understand how the day that she appointed Boris Johnson to the | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
Cabinet, Boris, who deserved nothing whatsoever, least of all Foreign | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
Secretary, why didn't she say, I am giving you something you don't | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
deserve and have done nothing for and I jolly well expect you to toe | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
the party line when I make a decision on Heathrow. I can't | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
understand why she didn't make that condition. Why would she appoint any | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
minister without making clear that they had to subscribe to Cabinet | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
responsibility? A number of them have two potentially resign, Justine | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
Greening... Fine, let them go. If they feel so strongly, by all means | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
go to the backbenches. After his London mayoral campaign, would it | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
matter if Zac Goldsmith resigned in Richmond? There is a solution to | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
that. He must do a David Davis, resign and fight as a Conservative. | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
That is fine. It causes no ructions at all. | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
Now some of you have had the utter cheek to accuse Michael and Chuka | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
of being rather too obsessed with how they look. | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
We've had complaints that Chuka's haute couture trousers | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
are rather too haute, that Michael's cerise shirts | :36:16. | :36:17. | |
Heinous insults indeed which is why we've decided to put appearance | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
Vulnerable children or opportunistic adults? | :36:25. | :36:33. | |
Some say looks can deceive when it comes to young refugees seeking | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
If we want to help children, that's great, but I'm not | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
in favour of allowing people in their 20s | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
to say, "I'm a child", and | :36:46. | :36:46. | |
then to come into the UK and make a mockery of our rules. | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
# You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.# | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
Melania Trump said this week that she didn't | :36:53. | :37:02. | |
recognise her husband when she first heard him brag about groping women. | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
I was surprised because that is not the man that I know. | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
Donald, on the other hand, reckons he can tell that | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
Hillary Clinton's on drugs just by looking at her. | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
We should trade a drug test, right, cos I don't know | :37:17. | :37:18. | |
Charlie Brooker has devoted column inches | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
and airtime to taking the Mick out of people's TV appearances. | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
The news has progressively seemed more and | :37:29. | :37:29. | |
So, should we judge a book by its cover? | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
You can go downhill so quickly on late-night television. Charlie | :37:36. | :37:53. | |
Brooker is with us. I suppose we have always judged a book by its | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
cover. Are we doing it more now? It is certainly easier to do it. We all | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
do it. I don't know that we should. We are certainly getting stronger | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
characters in merging, and I kind of miss a few years ago when everything | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
was, oh well, and everyone was complaining that politicians were | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
the same and everything was bland and awful. Now, everything is either | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
brilliant or terrible, in critical terms. And you have got interesting | :38:24. | :38:33. | |
characters emerging who are mildly terrifying. It is not boring. It is | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
interesting. Not boring on either side of the Atlantic at the moment. | :38:41. | :38:48. | |
As social media made judgment more democratic and that everyone can now | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
judge. There is an echo chamber, and it improves -- it includes | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
appearance and looks. I think social media is a good thing. I do think it | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
is structured like a video game. I am an avid gamer, and directed Mize | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
the mechanics of a game when I see it. And games are all about giving | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
you a little dopamine hit, a bit of feedback when you obey the rules, | :39:18. | :39:23. | |
and social media is structured in a way that, for performing your | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
opinions or your personality and a strident and entertaining way, you | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
are rewarded with the likes and followers. It activates the same | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
synapses in the brain as the noise when Mariella connects -- collects a | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
coin or something. So it encourages you to be strident and possibly | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
slightly facile and in authentic, I think. And I think that is something | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
we have to come to terms with as a species, because social media is not | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
going away. It is an amazing invention. I think we need to come | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
to terms with the fact that it is easy to be in authentic. We have | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
often thought the Americans were more obsessed with appearance. If | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
you look at their anchormen and women on TV they are immaculately | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
groomed and beautiful. And even their politicians, JFK, Harold | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
Wilson, Harold Macmillan. But if you look at this crop. Bernie Sanders | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
gave Hillary Clinton a run for her money. Hillary Clinton herself. | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
Donald Trump himself. So maybe they are not quite as obsessed as we | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
thought. But I think what people are craving is authenticity. Trump, for | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
his bizarre appearance, he feels like, people believe him. For | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
someone who tells so many lies, people believe he represents | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
something. Bernie Sanders seemed authentic as well, the boy from | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
Brooklyn, with the Brooklyn accent seemed authentic for what he | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
believed. Maybe part of Mrs Clinton's problem is that for many | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
she does not seem so authentic. I guess. I don't get it. It seems like | :41:17. | :41:25. | |
a no-brainer to me. The choice seems a no-brainer. I understand that she | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
is widely hated and Shirov presents the status quo to a lot of people | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
and they want someone who will come in and tip over the table and smash | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
everything up. Are we to obsessed with appearance. I'm not sure about | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
that. Maybe the advent of the selfie would suggest that we all are. It is | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
interesting what you said about the characters. The lack of characters | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
in some sense have put spitting image out of business. And now there | :41:54. | :42:02. | |
is a new version... It is not as good. Maybe they bring it back | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
because there are more characters. The bad thing about social media is | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
that it enables people to lock themselves away in an echo chamber | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
where you just follow and interact with people who are like you and | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
agree with you and that is not the best thing in some senses. Is Chuka | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
obsessed with his appearance? I have not studied him enough to know. Is | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
Michael obsessed with his appearance? No, but he things about | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
it. My man thinks about what he's wearing here. The echo chamber thing | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
is true. The algorithm feeds you things it knows that you like. You | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
see news stories you like and agree with and end up following people who | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
are nodding in agreement. But there is a lot of virtue signalling. | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
Liking something, following someone to signal how right and morally | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
correct and virtuous you are. In that sense, your thing about | :43:01. | :43:13. | |
authenticity is right. RUSI scruffy? At home I am just kicking back. Are | :43:14. | :43:21. | |
you ever scruffy? I don't want to let you down on your show. That is | :43:22. | :43:32. | |
an effort? Yes, this is nice... He looks like Charlie Brooker. Black | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
Mirror was on Channel 4, and I remember enjoying it. Now coming on | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
Netflix. That's right. It's a new series. We've moved to the cloud. | :43:44. | :43:52. | |
Someone pulls a lever, I guess. It is going to appear at about 8am. But | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
you can see it at any time. From eight o'clock in the morning, | :44:00. | :44:00. | |
everywhere in the world. But not for us because it's bring | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
a child migrant night at Lou Lou's. And given you have to be over 21 | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
to get in, we expect the place to be We leave you with some | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
early Crimbo inspo. Hot off the Pravda press, | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
Vlad's sexy 2017 calendar. # Dig the hair on my chest | :44:16. | :44:42. | |
# Macho, macho man Dig my big thick moustache | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
# I've got be be a mucho, mucho, macho, macho man | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
# I've got to be a macho Big, broad shoulders | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
# Dig my muscles I've got to be a macho man.# | :44:55. | :45:09. | |
I'm investigating a worldwide illegal ivory trade that | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
continues despite a ban imposed over 25 years ago. | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
This scene's being played out all over Africa. | :45:18. | :45:19. | |
Who's doing the killing, and who's doing the buying and selling? | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
Can we stop the desire to own ivory from wiping out one of the | :45:26. | :45:30. |