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Stand-by for the most extraordinary chain of events ever

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swept up into high adventure by Airplane.

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All right now, everybody, get in crash positions.

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Is the party heading for a crash landing?

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Let's hear from First Officer, Suzanne Evans.

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There's been some turbulence of late but the sky's the limit for Ukip.

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I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

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Luckily, we are in safe hands with captain Andrew Rawnsley.

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Fog over Heathrow, lightning over Brexit.

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Is it safe to fly with Captain May and her quarrelsome cabin crew?

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Charlie Brooker's keeping up appearances.

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I may look happy to be here, but trust me, on the inside, I am

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nosediving. Hold onto your seats,

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we could be in for a turbulent ride. Knock back the Blue Nun

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and inhale some oxygen. And I begin with the news that is

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rocking the media world tonight. As of US election Day on November

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8th, we're leaving this godforsaken late-night wasteland to which we've

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been consigned by pitiless schedulers and BBC Yentobs,

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and we're moving to Yes, The Donald, who will clearly

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have time on his hands from November 9th, is setting up his own channel

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and we will be the crown jewels. We'll take no notice

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of our overnight ratings, because these will obviously be

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rigged by a jealous Newsnight. We won't build a wall

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to keep viewers out. But we might have to resort

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to a very high fence We will, of course, test all guests

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for drugs before they appear, to make sure they've

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taken their contractual minimum. If only we could get

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Michael to take more. And we will never, ever,

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ever have a bad word to say about President Putin,

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whom Mr Trump assures us It doesn't mean we're puppets but it

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does mean just about every member of the Stop The War Coalition

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is bound to watch us. And there could be residuals to

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pocket from reruns on Russia Today. Speaking of those who'd

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sell their granny just to be on an infomercial

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in the middle of the night, I'm joined on the sofa by two

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child migrants who refuse to give their age but,

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looking at their teeth, I speak, of course,

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of the Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle of late-night political chat

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has-beens, Chuka #smoothoperator Umunna and

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Michael #choochoo Portillo. Your moment of the week. On the

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subject you have valued at two, Britain did commit to take from the

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Calais Campbell vulnerable children. Many of us have the idea of eight,

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ten, 12-year-olds who could be very vulnerable, in great danger and it

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would be a great humanitarian act to take them. But as I understand it,

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none of the children that one would designate as vulnerable have been

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taken by Britain. It seems to have been a complete failure of policy.

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But we have been amused, outrage, shocked to see these wrinkly people

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with stubble claiming to be children, emerging from the camps.

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My point is that the incompetence of the British immigration authorities

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seems to know no bounds. If one is trying to think back to why we voted

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Brexit, there are many reasons but one is that the public simply does

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not trust written to control to understand or to manage immigration

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in the least. And at a time when it is not terribly convenient to

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Theresa May, that perception seems to have been reinforced. My moment

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has to be the debate, the Hillary- Trump final debate, and in

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particular, adding he was the one who brought it up, going to her 30

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years of experience. She went into this wonderful diatribe when she

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said in the 1970s when she was working in the children's defence

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fund, fighting against discrimination, you were being

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prosecuted for discriminating against people in your apartments.

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In the 1980s when I was working to resolve problems in Arkansas

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schools, you borrowed 4 million from your father to start a business. In

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the 1990s when I was fighting for women's rights in Beijing, seeing

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them as human rights, you were having a row with Miss universe. She

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finished by saying, when I was sitting in the situation room with

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the President watching over the operation to get in lard, you were

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hosting an episode of The Apprentice. A wonderful knock-down

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of a vile human being who wear hope never becomes President of the night

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to the. You are referring to Trump, presumably. Well, it looks like you

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might get your way. The debate was a disaster -- was not a disaster for

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Mr Trump but did not give him the breakthrough needed.

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"Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard

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So said French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre.

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Anyway, neither would be natural advisers for Ukip to turn to.

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But when you look at what's happened to Ukip since it helped

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win the referendum, you can see that Jean Paul,

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A new poll suggests that support for Ukip has halved

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We turned to Suzanne Evans, who's in training, though I can't

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Ukip's on the ropes, says the Westminster commentariat.

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We're not the sort of party that's going to throw in the towel,

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and if anyone can roll with the political punches,

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The first thing our new leader needs to do is get stuck into the fight

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They are trying to beat us back to Brussels,

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so we need to grab the gloves, roll up our sleeves

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and drag the government through the EU exit door.

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Next, they have to be up for a rumble in the Westminster

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jungle, ready to take the battle to both the blue

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Right, lads, that's enough in the ring.

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Take that, you anti-British Corbynites.

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Theresa, you Tories have gone soft on law and order.

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Ukip will take that vacancy, thank you.

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Ukip needs to get MPs in Parliament so we need a new strategy to get

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I think that means ditching the right-wing Trump-style rhetoric

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and taking command of the patriotic common sense centre.

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I mean a strong, sensible centre that cuts the foreign aid budget,

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spends more on defence, slashes energy bills,

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acts tough on corporate tax avoidance and backs

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a National Health Service, not an international one.

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Ukip can reach a Britain of proud people who have been

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Reach out to women, broaden our appeal,

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and I reckon millions more votes are within our grasp.

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So let's get the gloves and deliver a knockout blow to the opposition.

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Thank you to the ladies and gentleman at Balham Boxing Club

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Now you know what I have to put up with every week. Suzanne Evans joins

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us. They had to be very patient. Boxing does not come naturally. Do

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you want to be next leader of Ukip? I am considering it carefully. I

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think our last leader did not perhaps consider it carefully

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enough, lasting only 18 days. I am taking soundings. It sounds like a

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yes to me. I have yet to reach a decision. It is a momentous task.

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What would be a consideration for you wanting to be leader and a

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consideration against? For leader, is the fact that I have quite a lot

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of pressure to stand. I am very aware that there are people who want

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me to stand. I suppose against, to be leader of any political party,

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particularly Britain's third largest political party, is a massive

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lifestyle change and an enormous stress on anyone. Nigel is talking

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about how he wants his life back. The new leader of Ukip will be

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giving up their life for some considerable period. The last leader

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resigned within days, the favourite to succeed her got thumped and left

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the party. Are you sure you want the job? That is what I am weighing up.

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That you might get thumped? I do not think I will get thumped. Ukip does

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not have the best reputation. I know there are stories. I have been out

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campaigning myself where people seem to think we are a party that we are

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not. And our campaigners get spat at and it is difficult. I was thinking

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more abuse from your own fellow politicians. Isn't the truth that

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the party is dysfunctional without Nigel Farage? I don't agree with

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that, absolutely not. I think Nigel's going is a chance for a

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fresh approach and some fresh blood. Not literally. I had better get that

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in. You are walking into this. I don't need to say anything. I don't

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agree. Any organisation... That is what it seems like, otherwise he

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would not be on his third coming. He keeps on coming back. I don't think

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he wants to cling on any longer. I would not be so sure. Any

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organisation which has a strong central figure will have growing

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pains. Business, politics, whatever it is. Does Ukip have a future? It

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depends who leads it. Probably Suzanne would be the best person. I

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think if it has a leader the public is unaware of, it has no chance.

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Because, as Suzanne said, there are certain things to go for but they

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are competing directly with the Conservatives to gain Labour voters,

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mainly, I think, in the North of England. So the position on Brexit,

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the position on a more equal society, on criticising companies

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that do not pay tax, those are the things that Ukip wants to talk about

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but also what Theresa May is talking about. Theresa May is a prominent

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figure. Unless it Ukip can produce someone who is outstanding, a

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household name, they do not stand a chance. Otherwise, they do stand a

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chance because the government is always vulnerable to things going

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wrong. For example, I just mention that immigration is more going well.

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It is very well talking about it, but the government are vulnerable on

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it. You cannot get away, like the Liberal Democrats, you cannot have a

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Tim Farron, otherwise you had might as well or go home. I'm sure Tim

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Farron enjoy that! Does Ukip have a future? In the short term, yes. In

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the medium to long term, the jury is out. In some senses, who leads it is

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irrelevant unless they actually establish their purpose and how they

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want to position themselves. There seems to be a division. I get a

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sense from Suzanne, who wants to go for building a broader support base

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for Ukip, attack some of the stereotypes and characteristics that

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people have seen promoted around Ukip. On the other hand, you have

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those like the person who would be her principal opponent, Rahim, a

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different politician of the Donald Trump tea party Republican school.

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He would not be the principal opponent if Paul Nuttall was going

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to run. I don't think he is going to. Is he going to run? Paul and I

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are talking. A North- South ticket? I don't know if that is going to

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happen. To whom do you think you are a bigger threat if you could get the

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show back on the road, the Tory party or the Labour Party? With the

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current state of politics in Britain, I think it is the Labour

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Party. We are the Patriot party. With the Labour Party at the moment

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you have the leader who will not sing the British National Party

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them. You have his Shadow Foreign Secretary who is, who has supported

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the IRA, over the British Army, in the past, the Shadow Chancellor. You

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have the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, once open door

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immigration, and Emily Thornberry you can't stand the England flag.

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Working-class people are proud of their community and their country

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and Labour is letting them down. That has to be our primary audience.

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Isn't that a fair analysis, in the sense that when Ukip came to

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prominence it was above all a threat to the Tories, which is why Mr

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Cameron called a referendum to see off the threat. They began by

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picking off votes in the south, Tory votes, disillusioned Tories. But now

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that we are getting Brexit and it is not an issue for Tory- inclined

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voters, isn't it Labour voters, the ordinary Labour vote in the north

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that could be in danger, when you have a London- dominated Labour

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Party that does not appeal for the reasons Suzanne has said?

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There is no denying. All parties will claim to be patriotic. Nobody

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has a monopoly on that. I've been clear in terms of the Labour Party.

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I'm pay rattic and we cannot afford to be seen as not so. Is this Labour

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Leadership patriotic? I think this Labour Leadership is. They would

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argue they are. But is it? I believe they are. I don't believe any party

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has a monopoly on that. But symbols matter. Whether you sing the

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National Anthem, whether you have pride in our Armed Forces, for

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example, that kind of stuff matters. Is Ukip, if it could reconstitute

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itself, get its show back on the road, do you agree with the

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analysis, it would be a bigger threat to Labour than the North in

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the Tories and the south? Yes, but I think the Tories are a very big

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threat to Labour in the North as well. So it's competition between

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those two parties for the same lot of voters. I do think Labour is

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extraordinarily vulnerable to losing those votes, well probably to both

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those parties. If you look at the polls, it would seem that the Advent

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of Theresa May and the way she's seeking to position the Tories as a

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fiscally almost Kensian reforically it is, we await to see whether it's

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in the Autumn Statement and socially Conservative, if she's making a huge

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grab for Ukip votes. Labour vote. She's trying to do that on the

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Labour side as well but it seems in polling terms she's had more success

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against Ukip than she has on us, maybe I'm wrong on that. Ukip has

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one seat and Labour has hundreds, it's worth mentioning, so it's clear

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where the target is. Suzanne, the Tories like strong female leaders,

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why don't you go there? Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, it

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doesn't fit any more. I'm not sure it ever did, to be honest. I'm at

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home in Ukip, it suits me. We look forward to your announcement which

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you almost did tonight. I don't think so. Oh, I do. The viewers will

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make up their minds. Thank you. too-late-to-hold-on-to-your-gong

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late. But enough of Philip Green,

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I never liked his underpants anyway, because waiting in the wings is TV

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satirist Charlie Brooker, who's coming on just

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to be rude about us. Or maybe he wants to plug his own

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dystopian television programme. And if, like Charlie,

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you're paranoid about technology, snap shut the Snap Numpty,

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sell your Instagranny and abandon I have absolutely no

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idea what I'm on about. Now it's 100 days since Theresa May

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became Prime Minister. And a short time to go

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from hero to zero. But with Brexit blues,

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bottled runway decisions, economic uncertainty as far

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as the eye can see, a child abuse inquiry in chaos and a cabinet

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bickering like every night is fright night, I think we can safely say

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the May honeymoon is over. Anyway, here's Andrew Rawnsley

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with his Round Up of the week. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,

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I'd like to welcome passengers aboard this Theresa May Airways

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flight to destination...unknown. I've just spoken to air traffic

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control and I'm sorry to report that they still won't give us

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clearance to take off anywhere. There's continuing fog over

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the runway to Brexit, the inquiry into historic child

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abuse can't get airborne and the tower won't even give us

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a decision about runway capacity Everyone now assumes

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what the Prime Minister's privately calmed down for Heathrow expansion

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but she won't even confirm that. The Davis Commission identified

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three sites, all of which they said would be credible and deliverable,

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and Government will take Not really; the final vote

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in Parliament may be Oh, well, what's another 18 months

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after going on for half a century Cheerleaders for Heathrow weren't

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the only ones complaining. Champions of Gatwick

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were also air sick. The Government decision to yet again

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delay deciding where to build a new runway will cause unnecessary

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uncertainty for British businesses Part of the reason for further delay

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is this, Captain May's Cabinet The Prime Minister's solution

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is to allow a free vote in Parliament and allow ministers

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to campaign for and against. It's just like David Cameron did

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with the Brexit referendum. If you are a minister,

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if you sit round the Cabinet table as I've done in the past,

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you have to go along with the collective decisions

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or you don't have to be a minister, This fudge, this in-between world,

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that's unacceptable and will do One of the reasons Mrs May

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won her Prime Ministerial wings back in the summer is because she sold

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herself as a cool, competent pilot of the nation,

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someone you could trust So the row over the child

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refugee policy is unwelcome to her and the continuing

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controversies over the child abuse inquiry now on its fourth chair

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are a serious embarrassment and an opportunity

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for the opposition. She was the Home Secretary in April

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and she was the only person So can she now finally tell us

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when she personally learnt of the serious problems developing

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in this inquiry and why it was There were stories around

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about the inquiry and about But the Home Secretary cannot

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intervene on the basis And did she do anything

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about what she knew? The Government's hit its first patch

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of serious turbulence over Brexit. Rival ministers are squabbling

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over the flight plan, leaking accounts of their internal

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debates to the media Who to send out to try

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to pretend that they all Who else, but trolley

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dolly, Boris Johnson. We are a nest of singing birds,

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Mr Speaker, as you can imagine. Things are working extremely well,

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which may come as a surprise to the honourable lady to know

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and I have no doubt whatever that Boris on one of his

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flights of fancy. One or more of the hard Brexiteers

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have definitely been briefing him against the Chancellor,

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Philip Hammond, and his friends A distinguished former

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occupant of the office urged the Prime Minister to get a grip

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on her quarrelsome crew. One or more Brexiteer members

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of her Cabinet have been briefing the newspapers copiously on every

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proposal being put forward, giving papers to the relevant Cabinet

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committee by their colleagues and launching political attacks

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on their Cabinet colleagues who seem Will she take firm action

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to stop this process? # You can go your own way,

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go your own way #. In his quiet way, the Chancellor

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himself issued a coded rebuke of the hard Brexiteers

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in the Cabinet fighting I think it would be far more helpful

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to this debate if we were able to conduct these internal

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discussions privately We need space to explore different

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options, to discuss among ourselves. It's no secret that there

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are different views. It's going to be a bumpy ride

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on May Airways and we haven't even Andrew Rawnsley having rather too

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much fun at Aces High, And from Air Traffic Control

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in Central London, let's cross now to the Witney by-election,

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Call Me Dave's old seat The Lib Dems came a poor third in

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the general election, poor fourth sorry in the general election last

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year, they were hoping for some kind of breakthrough, I guess maybe

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second is the best they could hope for. Any sign of that?

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They certainly are feeling extremely bullish, Andrew. I was just chatting

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to one party aide watching some of the votes pile up saying that they

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were feeling pretty confident about this. I don't think anyone thinks

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they could seriously win this by-election but a good second

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position would be important for them. Why, because they've been

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campaigning on a pro- Remain ticket, if you like, they've been talking

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about staying inside the single market. This was an area of the

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country that voted to remain by about 54%. So they say in that way

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it's a verdict on Theresa May and her approach to Brexit, her first

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significant electoral test. Of course, David Cameron won the seat

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with a stonking great majority last year, 25,000. Voters here have

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returned a Conservative ever since the seat was created. The only time

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it didn't have a Conservative MP was when the Conservative MP defected in

:27:28.:27:31.

the late 1990s, that was Shaun Woodward. Anything that eats into

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the majority would be considered by the Lib Dems to be a success and

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also a problem for Labour if they knock them out of second place.

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We'll see. Turnout looking low, 47%, we have had the provisional figure,

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and we expect the result some time around 3 or 4 o'clock this morning.

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Thank you. There is another by-election taking place today in

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Huddersfield. This was caused by the tragic death, murder of Jo Cox, and

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it's been uncontested by the other major parties, obviously minor

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candidates standing. Our correspondent can't hear us

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there. We are just going to have to leave that there. We did have some

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sound problems, but it was worth having a go. Apologies to the

:28:28.:28:35.

viewers. Chuka, both Remain and Leave made it

:28:36.:28:38.

clear during the referendum that if we voted to leave the EU, that meant

:28:39.:28:43.

leaving the single market. So why is this now a matter of dispute? Well,

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I'm not so sure that people did say that. Let me just interrupt you. I

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have David Cameron on tape and George Osborne on tape saying quite

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clearly beyond per adventure, if you vote to leave the European Union,

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you vote to leave the single market. Yes, but I think the difference was,

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was that inextricably was linked to a debate around free movement. I've

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argued for, I think what Theresa May should seek to do is to try to prove

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both Leave and Remain wrong. Remain, and I was part of that campaign,

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argued that you cannot have access to the single market, or Mercship,

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without accepting the free movement. You can have access but not

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membership? Yes, but... The politicians tend to fudge these two

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things. The key thing is, you have to accept free movement as well

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because there is no country that has membership of the single market and

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doesn't are the free movement that goes with it. The thing that's

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changed is that across the EU, they've got a massive issue with

:29:51.:29:55.

this free movement. There's discontent around free movement.

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It's going to hit the Germans, the French have general elections next

:29:59.:30:01.

year, the Italians have it the year after. So there is a general

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imperative. I follow German politics carefully, there is no way in which

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Mrs Merkel is talking of interfering with free movement. I accept that.

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If she doesn't move... Slightly different debate. Migration

:30:17.:30:21.

generally, population... It's an issue.

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What can be done there as a result of Brexit? Brexit has changed the

:30:29.:30:35.

terms of debate. There is an opportunity to argue with European

:30:36.:30:38.

counterparts, look, you need to reform. From the Leave point of

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view, she could prove them wrong. It was not just about free movement. We

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had Mr Cameron and George Osborne, the leaders of the Remainer campaign

:30:50.:30:54.

categorical that if we vote to leave, we leave the single market.

:30:55.:30:58.

Mr Cameron said at one stage that he would trigger article 50 immediately

:30:59.:31:03.

to start the process. But the leaders of the Leave campaign, from

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Nigel Farage through to Boris Johnson and others, said that if we

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leave we would not be part of the jurisdiction of the European Court

:31:12.:31:15.

of Justice, that we would end free movement in the way you have been

:31:16.:31:18.

talking about and we would have the ability to make our own free trade

:31:19.:31:22.

deals, which by definition been due are not in the customs union. All of

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that together, or any one of them, means we leave the single market. So

:31:29.:31:34.

I ask again, since Leave and Remain were so clear about it, why are you

:31:35.:31:39.

now trying to fudge it? Identity any one is trying to fudge it. You are.

:31:40.:31:46.

The Lib Dems are fighting in Witney tonight on saying we should stay in

:31:47.:31:50.

the single market. With this negotiation we do not know what we

:31:51.:31:55.

will be able to get. The negotiating positions of our counterparts are

:31:56.:31:58.

not necessarily going to remain the same, because they could be a change

:31:59.:32:03.

in government. The thing about the single market, tariff free access is

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important. You look at the 10% tariff that would otherwise apply to

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our cars. You don't know that. If we were trading under WTO rules. The EU

:32:14.:32:18.

could decide that the 10% tariff is a maximum that you can do. The EU

:32:19.:32:24.

could decide not to and we could decide not to. We don't know because

:32:25.:32:31.

negotiations have barely started. This is why the point around

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parliamentary scrutiny and consultation is important because we

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have a mandate to the government to take us out of the European Union,

:32:38.:32:41.

but terms which we have just been debating, they have no mandate

:32:42.:32:50.

about. Isn't it the truth that we cannot, given our conditions, we

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cannot be a member of the single market and it will come down to how

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good a free-trade deal we can negotiate, that gives us the maximum

:32:59.:33:02.

possible access without being a member? If we can't get that, we

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will be forced back onto WTO rules, the default position. I thought the

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first part of that has been made clear by Theresa May and I have said

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on this programme before that I thought what she had said about the

:33:17.:33:21.

single market, for instance at the party conference, was a statement of

:33:22.:33:25.

the obvious. Saint is -- it is clear you cannot come back to the British

:33:26.:33:28.

people and cannot come back to the Conservative Party. We are still

:33:29.:33:32.

under the European Court of Justice and still cannot control

:33:33.:33:34.

immigration. We cannot say those things so you have to leave the

:33:35.:33:41.

single market. But those who will not accept the vote, the Financial

:33:42.:33:46.

Times, the markets, have gone into meltdown about this. The markets

:33:47.:33:49.

have been ignorant about the whole affair from the beginning. They

:33:50.:33:54.

pumped up sterling thinking it would be Remain. They did not see the vote

:33:55.:33:58.

coming and have not followed through the logic. Apparently when Theresa

:33:59.:34:04.

May said a statement of the blinding obvious, the markets go into

:34:05.:34:10.

meltdown. Apparently Number Ten has not ruled out altogether continued

:34:11.:34:13.

membership of the single market. There is a reason for that but I

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have not got time to explain it because I want to go to another

:34:18.:34:21.

issue. Heathrow, is it the right decision to have another runway?

:34:22.:34:25.

Yes, we should do it and stop dithering. She is not quite bottling

:34:26.:34:32.

it, but it is a fudge, isn't it? This is the problem with major break

:34:33.:34:37.

multiple parliament infrastructure decisions. You have constant dither

:34:38.:34:41.

and delay because short-term political inconvenience gets in the

:34:42.:34:44.

way of the long-term decision in the interests of our country. There are

:34:45.:34:48.

a number of things that need to be taken into account. Will it deliver

:34:49.:34:53.

the extra capacity? Yes. Can you deal with environmental concerns? I

:34:54.:34:57.

believe so. Will it deliver growth for London and the whole of the

:34:58.:35:01.

country? Yes, so get on with it. I think she did bottle it. The

:35:02.:35:05.

briefing to the press was that we will have a clear-cut announcement.

:35:06.:35:10.

I cannot understand how the day that she appointed Boris Johnson to the

:35:11.:35:14.

Cabinet, Boris, who deserved nothing whatsoever, least of all Foreign

:35:15.:35:19.

Secretary, why didn't she say, I am giving you something you don't

:35:20.:35:22.

deserve and have done nothing for and I jolly well expect you to toe

:35:23.:35:26.

the party line when I make a decision on Heathrow. I can't

:35:27.:35:30.

understand why she didn't make that condition. Why would she appoint any

:35:31.:35:34.

minister without making clear that they had to subscribe to Cabinet

:35:35.:35:40.

responsibility? A number of them have two potentially resign, Justine

:35:41.:35:46.

Greening... Fine, let them go. If they feel so strongly, by all means

:35:47.:35:51.

go to the backbenches. After his London mayoral campaign, would it

:35:52.:35:54.

matter if Zac Goldsmith resigned in Richmond? There is a solution to

:35:55.:36:01.

that. He must do a David Davis, resign and fight as a Conservative.

:36:02.:36:06.

That is fine. It causes no ructions at all.

:36:07.:36:08.

Now some of you have had the utter cheek to accuse Michael and Chuka

:36:09.:36:11.

of being rather too obsessed with how they look.

:36:12.:36:13.

We've had complaints that Chuka's haute couture trousers

:36:14.:36:15.

are rather too haute, that Michael's cerise shirts

:36:16.:36:17.

Heinous insults indeed which is why we've decided to put appearance

:36:18.:36:24.

Vulnerable children or opportunistic adults?

:36:25.:36:33.

Some say looks can deceive when it comes to young refugees seeking

:36:34.:36:36.

If we want to help children, that's great, but I'm not

:36:37.:36:43.

in favour of allowing people in their 20s

:36:44.:36:45.

to say, "I'm a child", and

:36:46.:36:46.

then to come into the UK and make a mockery of our rules.

:36:47.:36:49.

# You can't judge a book by looking at the cover.#

:36:50.:36:52.

Melania Trump said this week that she didn't

:36:53.:37:02.

recognise her husband when she first heard him brag about groping women.

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I was surprised because that is not the man that I know.

:37:06.:37:10.

Donald, on the other hand, reckons he can tell that

:37:11.:37:13.

Hillary Clinton's on drugs just by looking at her.

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We should trade a drug test, right, cos I don't know

:37:17.:37:18.

Charlie Brooker has devoted column inches

:37:19.:37:25.

and airtime to taking the Mick out of people's TV appearances.

:37:26.:37:28.

The news has progressively seemed more and

:37:29.:37:29.

So, should we judge a book by its cover?

:37:30.:37:35.

You can go downhill so quickly on late-night television. Charlie

:37:36.:37:53.

Brooker is with us. I suppose we have always judged a book by its

:37:54.:37:59.

cover. Are we doing it more now? It is certainly easier to do it. We all

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do it. I don't know that we should. We are certainly getting stronger

:38:07.:38:10.

characters in merging, and I kind of miss a few years ago when everything

:38:11.:38:16.

was, oh well, and everyone was complaining that politicians were

:38:17.:38:20.

the same and everything was bland and awful. Now, everything is either

:38:21.:38:23.

brilliant or terrible, in critical terms. And you have got interesting

:38:24.:38:33.

characters emerging who are mildly terrifying. It is not boring. It is

:38:34.:38:40.

interesting. Not boring on either side of the Atlantic at the moment.

:38:41.:38:48.

As social media made judgment more democratic and that everyone can now

:38:49.:38:54.

judge. There is an echo chamber, and it improves -- it includes

:38:55.:39:00.

appearance and looks. I think social media is a good thing. I do think it

:39:01.:39:06.

is structured like a video game. I am an avid gamer, and directed Mize

:39:07.:39:11.

the mechanics of a game when I see it. And games are all about giving

:39:12.:39:17.

you a little dopamine hit, a bit of feedback when you obey the rules,

:39:18.:39:23.

and social media is structured in a way that, for performing your

:39:24.:39:29.

opinions or your personality and a strident and entertaining way, you

:39:30.:39:33.

are rewarded with the likes and followers. It activates the same

:39:34.:39:39.

synapses in the brain as the noise when Mariella connects -- collects a

:39:40.:39:46.

coin or something. So it encourages you to be strident and possibly

:39:47.:39:53.

slightly facile and in authentic, I think. And I think that is something

:39:54.:39:58.

we have to come to terms with as a species, because social media is not

:39:59.:40:03.

going away. It is an amazing invention. I think we need to come

:40:04.:40:07.

to terms with the fact that it is easy to be in authentic. We have

:40:08.:40:13.

often thought the Americans were more obsessed with appearance. If

:40:14.:40:18.

you look at their anchormen and women on TV they are immaculately

:40:19.:40:25.

groomed and beautiful. And even their politicians, JFK, Harold

:40:26.:40:32.

Wilson, Harold Macmillan. But if you look at this crop. Bernie Sanders

:40:33.:40:37.

gave Hillary Clinton a run for her money. Hillary Clinton herself.

:40:38.:40:41.

Donald Trump himself. So maybe they are not quite as obsessed as we

:40:42.:40:47.

thought. But I think what people are craving is authenticity. Trump, for

:40:48.:40:54.

his bizarre appearance, he feels like, people believe him. For

:40:55.:40:59.

someone who tells so many lies, people believe he represents

:41:00.:41:03.

something. Bernie Sanders seemed authentic as well, the boy from

:41:04.:41:07.

Brooklyn, with the Brooklyn accent seemed authentic for what he

:41:08.:41:10.

believed. Maybe part of Mrs Clinton's problem is that for many

:41:11.:41:16.

she does not seem so authentic. I guess. I don't get it. It seems like

:41:17.:41:25.

a no-brainer to me. The choice seems a no-brainer. I understand that she

:41:26.:41:29.

is widely hated and Shirov presents the status quo to a lot of people

:41:30.:41:33.

and they want someone who will come in and tip over the table and smash

:41:34.:41:38.

everything up. Are we to obsessed with appearance. I'm not sure about

:41:39.:41:45.

that. Maybe the advent of the selfie would suggest that we all are. It is

:41:46.:41:49.

interesting what you said about the characters. The lack of characters

:41:50.:41:53.

in some sense have put spitting image out of business. And now there

:41:54.:42:02.

is a new version... It is not as good. Maybe they bring it back

:42:03.:42:06.

because there are more characters. The bad thing about social media is

:42:07.:42:09.

that it enables people to lock themselves away in an echo chamber

:42:10.:42:13.

where you just follow and interact with people who are like you and

:42:14.:42:17.

agree with you and that is not the best thing in some senses. Is Chuka

:42:18.:42:24.

obsessed with his appearance? I have not studied him enough to know. Is

:42:25.:42:29.

Michael obsessed with his appearance? No, but he things about

:42:30.:42:35.

it. My man thinks about what he's wearing here. The echo chamber thing

:42:36.:42:43.

is true. The algorithm feeds you things it knows that you like. You

:42:44.:42:47.

see news stories you like and agree with and end up following people who

:42:48.:42:52.

are nodding in agreement. But there is a lot of virtue signalling.

:42:53.:42:56.

Liking something, following someone to signal how right and morally

:42:57.:43:00.

correct and virtuous you are. In that sense, your thing about

:43:01.:43:13.

authenticity is right. RUSI scruffy? At home I am just kicking back. Are

:43:14.:43:21.

you ever scruffy? I don't want to let you down on your show. That is

:43:22.:43:32.

an effort? Yes, this is nice... He looks like Charlie Brooker. Black

:43:33.:43:38.

Mirror was on Channel 4, and I remember enjoying it. Now coming on

:43:39.:43:43.

Netflix. That's right. It's a new series. We've moved to the cloud.

:43:44.:43:52.

Someone pulls a lever, I guess. It is going to appear at about 8am. But

:43:53.:43:59.

you can see it at any time. From eight o'clock in the morning,

:44:00.:44:00.

everywhere in the world. But not for us because it's bring

:44:01.:44:04.

a child migrant night at Lou Lou's. And given you have to be over 21

:44:05.:44:08.

to get in, we expect the place to be We leave you with some

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early Crimbo inspo. Hot off the Pravda press,

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Vlad's sexy 2017 calendar. # Dig the hair on my chest

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# Macho, macho man Dig my big thick moustache

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# I've got be be a mucho, mucho, macho, macho man

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# I've got to be a macho Big, broad shoulders

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# Dig my muscles I've got to be a macho man.#

:44:55.:45:09.

I'm investigating a worldwide illegal ivory trade that

:45:10.:45:12.

continues despite a ban imposed over 25 years ago.

:45:13.:45:17.

This scene's being played out all over Africa.

:45:18.:45:19.

Who's doing the killing, and who's doing the buying and selling?

:45:20.:45:25.

Can we stop the desire to own ivory from wiping out one of the

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