30/03/2017 This Week

Why would you ever want to leave the EU?

But we are because most of us want to.

But can we make it a bloody good British success?

Brexit's coming and Mrs May says its time to pull together.

Tea and have your cake and eat it, Prime Minister.

I don't know how it's going to happen, but I do think

Oh, little Britain will be bigger, more confident and better off

Britain, Britain, Britain - with the best TV show,

This Week, and our dogs are relatively rabies free.

We're leaving and it's all thanks to the peoples of Britain.

And I start with the momentous news that we have triggered our

Yes, tonight we've written to the director general of the BBC,

at his headquarters in the Cayman Islands,

to inform him we've had enough of living in the shadow of a large,

lumbering giant, unelected, undemocratic and unknown

beyond a small circle of political obsessives.

We're throwing off the shackles of BBC Yentobs, we're taking back

control and we're sailing full steam ahead towards our very own red,

Yes folks, we're off to a new prime time slot on Trump TV.

We will, of course, maintain a deep and special

But any attempt to make us pay for all the Blue Nun we've drunk

over the years will result in the immediate withdrawal

of Molly the Guard Dog from BBC security duty.

No, the pedants among you will say there's no such thing as Trump TV,

which can only mean you've not watched Fox News.

More important, the only alternative was the 10.00pm

Now, I know we're bad, but we're not that bad!

I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two salty old sea dogs that

Think of them of the dogs and bollocks of late

I speak of course of Liz #FourPercent Kendall

Stop laughing. Michael, your moment of the week? It has to be the

triggering of Article 50. It's the moment of, I don't know, several

decades There was a time I might of dreamed of being part of an

administration that would lead Britain out of the European Union.

It would have been a dream. I don't know whether to compare it with the

French Revolution or the American independence but I will compare it

to the separation of the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It's a very

big moment and history books will be written about how it happened. Very

well. That big. Your moment. I can't not say triggering Article 50

either. Hard to get away from it, isn't it? It's definitely the

biggest political moment of my lifetime. There were so many things

from the day, but one of the things that really struck me was when

Donald Tusk said, "we miss you already." For me... He was very

emotional, wasn't he? Polish, close allies of Britain in the European

Union? A reminder that our past and I still hope our future are

intimately linked. They are long-term friends and allies. We are

going to need to have that at the forefront of our minds with these

difficult negotiations in the years ahead. It will probably surprise you

both, we will come back to this. We are going straight to it now.

So the long and winding road to divorce from

For some, it's a matter of excitement.

Here on This Week, for example, panic buying of Blue Nun gripped

the team lest punitive tariffs are slapped on German white wine.

Predictably, they've drunk all these fresh stocks already.

But for a part of the political elite that played such a prominent

role in the Remain campaign, there's still a reluctance to come

to terms with the result and the fervent hope that somehow,

somewhere, the decision taken last June the 23rd can be reversed.

Here's former spin doctor-in-chief, now editor-at-large

of the New European, Alastair Campbell,

And now is the time, says Theresa May, we all have

Well, I'm sorry, Mrs May, you've got about as much chance of that

as the Health Service getting ?350 million extra this week.

So I'm going to do my bit, editor-at-large, no less,

I don't think I've ever known the country so divided.

Scotland, there's Nicola Sturgeon setting out why she thinks

Of course, Mrs May says it's going to cause division,

Not like her Brexit strategy, of course.

I was at Martin McGuinness' funeral last week and of course a lot

of talk was about Martin and tributes to him,

but there was an awful lot of talk about Brexit,

the possible return of a hard border and a weaker economy,

and the damage that could do to the peace process.

There's a couple of things Theresa May really thinks

One, is the Brextremist right-wing newspapers

are wonderful and the other is her deep seated belief that

Jeremy Corbyn's never going to be elected Prime Minister.

That's my old office, in Number Ten there.

You know, I was involved in quite a lot of European

I think she's going to find Mr Barnier a lot tougher

than she found seeing off Johnson and Gove for the Tory leadership.

Whatever you might read in the Brextremist newspapers,

Mrs May doesn't even have a united Cabinet on this.

I bumped into one of her ministers the other day,

he said they're not even allowed to raise concerns about her policy

And he said to me, "you've got to keep going with your campaign."

I accept I'm in a minority when I say that I think Brexit can

be stopped, but I don't believe I am in a minority in saying

I don't know what the mechanism is going to be, but I believe it can

happen, I believe it will happen and I believe it must happen.

And Alastair Campbell is with us now.

Welcome to the programme. Thank you. What is the evidence that a majority

want to stop it? Where did you get that from? I have good instinctses

about things. That is not evidence? I don't believe the polls, if you

are going to throw a few polls at me. I do events around different

parts of the country, every single event I do at the moment I ask three

questions - are you optimistic or pessimistic about Brexit? Are you

optimistic or pessimistic about Donald Trump and do you think Jeremy

Corbyn can be Prime Minister by 2020? And I would say that people

are overwhelmingly pessimistic about Brexit. Utterly pessimistic about

Trump and most people think Jeremy Corbyn hasn't a hope. Your meetings

are anecdotes. Consumer spending doesn't show people are pessimistic

at all or they wouldn't be spending. I don't see how you can be for or

against it. The idea there is a majority in this country gagging to

stop Brexit you are becoming delusional? They are not necessarily

gagging. Those who are de-Lewesal who are living in la la lapped if

they think in two years they can put together a deal they have been

promising. You do a good job at holding ministers to account. But

because we don't have the opposition that we should be having, we have

had a situation where even since the referendum we have gone from, we

will definitely stay in the single market. We are out. Will be in the

customs union. Now we are out. Who said the single market? Boris

Johnson. No I didn't I have tape of him during the referendum campaign

saying they would leave the single market and so did Michael Gove. You

are rewriting history. He is on-the-record saying he will have to

leave? I'm telling you what he said to me. I have the tapes. You have no

evidence to say he said we would stay in the single market. This is

with a they do. Now not Boris Johnson? Nigel Farage doesn't bother

with the ?350 million he said he didn't say, that Boris did. They

dance around. They do not - the public were lied to. They have not

been properly held to account for. That as they realise they will not

get the deal the promises made are not being fulfilled I think an awful

lot - You hope rather than think. Can Brexit be stopped? I don't know

whether it can or not. It certainly shouldn't be. I don't think it will

be. I would like Alastair and Tony Blair to campaign for it to be

stopped day after day I think they are powerfully helping to solidify

opinion. I think your intervention against the democratic will is quite

offensive to a lot of people. It's part of democracy for people to

change their minds. I think people are changing their minds. There I I

think you are delusional. If people are change it's a solidify caution

of their view. I'm pessimistic about the negotiations. The reason I am is

that I think the European Union will make the wrong decision. The right

decision will be to have an amicable settlement with the British and the

wrong decision would be because they are so defensive to have an

acronymous settlement with the British. The fact is that the

European Union can be relied upon always to make the wrong decision.

The creation of the euro, wrong decision. Creation of free movement

of people, wrong decision. Creation of the Common Agriculture Policy,

wrong decision. Why do they make the wrong decision, they are obsessed

with moving closer closer European Union. That means they make

political not economic choices. Hold on. They have have created political

institutions instead of concentrating (loss of sound) Do you

think it can be stopped? There is always a possibility of it being

stopped. There are clearly - there are a significant minority who want

a second referendum. I don't yet sense a substantial majority. Where

I think Alastair - Do you want to see a second referendum? No, I

don't. I think we need to hold the Government to account far more

effectively. I'd like to see us have more fight against a no deal Brexit,

which I think will be will be a disaster for the country. I disagree

with Michael on Europe making the wrong decision. I was in Berlin last

week and it's quite clear that there is a strong sense that Europe has

got to sort out the problems of the Eurozone. Has got to sort out the

issues with security and migration. This is actually bringing them

together to focus more on what matters to people. The Rome

declaration had no substance in it at all. It became clear that Britain

is not the only person, as a member, getting Europe together. Even

without Britain they can't really agree what to do. I wouldn't be sure

about that. I want to come back to Alastair. You said you didn't know

how it would happen yet to stop it. No. Would a second referendum,

referendum on the deal. You can argue - I think that is probably the

only way. Or there could be another way, this is more difficult given

what you said about the state of the Labour Party. If she gets a deal,

she could go to the country on the deal? She could. On current, the way

things are at the moment, she would probably win that. Your side would

have a better chance, I would suggest, on a referendum? I mean,

one of the reasons why I'm pet putting as much energy into this as

I can is because I really do think it's the most pressing issue facing

the country. I think there is something tragic about the fact that

she's gone over there with this very hard Brexit policy. The Labour Party

does, I'm afraid, can't get its act together for a inwithing strategy.

The SNP is on the march in Scotland. You end up, you have the Lib Dems

really that are really saying we want a second referendum. You will

not join them? No. There will be a churn in politics. We are in that

age. I said in the film I don't know what the mechanism is. If you think

that six months ago nobody thought Trump would be President. A year ago

none of us thought Brexit would happen. I think a lot of stuff will

happen. I think people are going to get very angry, very, very quickly

about what Brexit will do to Britain. For you to be right, for

you to get your way, things have to go wrong. Either the negotiations

I don't agree. My point was for you to get your way, it really all has

to go to hell in a hand basket and wishing that to happen is not a good

thing. I'm not wishing it to happen but I honestly believe the

negotiations will be far more difficult than the country's been

told they are. We have an awful lot to lose. They are not being honest

about it. Alastair turns things on their head. Mrs May is not going to

Europe with a hard Brexit. It's been said the free movement of people is

an integral part of the single market, which is tosh, it's not.

Free movement of Labour might be part of the single market. It's a

bad decision. It's about creating the single European state.

If your party had been convinced, you would have probably won the

referendum? It's possible. I think that is another thing that fuels

people's anger about this. You can't just blame it on Jeremy Corbyn. I

put a lot of the blame on David Cameron for having the referendum

and for fighting the campaign that he did. But you can't have a

situation in our country. Our democracy depends on having a strong

Government that sets out what it's going to do and it has a strong

opposition that at least has the outside chance of winning an

election. We keep on having a referendum where we get a clear-cut

result, some closer than others. It was clear-cut, but it was close. The

same in the Scottish referendum. The people who lost the Scottish

referendum, they want another referendum. You lost Brexit, you

want another referendum. Here is a question I want to ask you, Liz,

because you would think if the negotiations go wrong, if it becomes

messy, if it's not clear cut that we are going to get a proper deal, you

could say things could begin to move Alastair's way. On the other hand,

the British might think, why are the Europeans being so beastly to I us,

they could become more Brexit? I can see that very easily happening where

all the blame is on Europe. My view of it is, if you decide to leave a

club, stop paying subs, you don't want to abide by the rules, you are

not going to be able to use the facilities. Most British people

would understand that actually as being a reasonable position, but we

have to set the agenda. You know, I do not believe that those of us who

want to see a good deal and would like us to still be in the single

market and customs union and cooperate on security, we are not

extreme or unpatriotic, we are standing founder people's interests

and part of the problem is that anybody who questions things is

shouted down for being unpatriotic and that part of the... I'm not

going to shout you down, but one more question. I want to stand back

a bit, Alastair. I understand why people who wanted to remain are

upset that they lost and in many cases quite sad about it. I'm

slightly puzzled why you feel so strongly about it because you are on

the left. Why does the EU matter so much to you? It's created absolute

misery in Greece. There's mass youth unemployment all across the

Mediterranean. There's been scler rottic growth for ten years, social

democracy is in retreat just about everywhere -- scleroitc. And a club

class elite is at the heart of Brussels. Why is the left, someone

like you so strong? Two reasons. One I think for all the faults and

problems, the European Union has played a very big role in helping to

deliver several decades of relative peace and prosperity for most

people. But the other thing I think is the fact that so many young

people... 25% youth unemployment in Europe. I'm talking about Britain.

Any Government that governs against its own people is a Government

doomed to fail. Most young people, they are not thinking in this sort

of fairly narrow nationalistic terms. I think they feel their

future's being taken away from them. All right. I'm speaking for the

young, an true. Not your generation or Michael's generation. It's Liz's

generation I'm talking about. You charmer, Alastair. Clearly not mine.

Alastair Campbell, good to see you, thank you.

Now it's late, dark web with Amber Rudd late.

Yes, the Home Secretary's been going after Whatsapp

allegedly to fight terrorism, but we know what she's really up to.

She's trying to slip into This Week database

Well, Home Secretary, I've got news for you.

If your cyber geeks ever do manage to break our digital defences

they'll find the This Week vault is empty!

Which, since you're a regular viewer, should have been

Anyway, waiting in the wings is model Daisy Lowe,

here to put confidence in our Spotlight.

For once, stay away from all social media unless you're using

the necessary hashtags, as Amber Rudd wrongly put it.

Use pointers, handwritten letters, slide rules, telegrams

MI5 have no idea how to intercept any of that.

Now, the triggering of Article 50 is reverberating

in every nook and cranny of British political life.

I'm told they speak of nothing else, even in such remote gathering points

as the Kilted Numpty, my favourite hostelry

Yes despite this heightened awareness of matters politic,

or perhaps because of it, the Labour party is sinking faster

down the manhole of political oblivion than the proverbial off

a shovel, Nigel Farage has abandoned politics to bend bananas

in his local Tesco's and Larry the Downing Street Cat has

asked to be transferred to Angela Merkel's office.

He says the German Chancellor has a better sense

Which tells you just about everything when it

And, not be outdone, Nicola "Angry" Sturgeon,

has announced she's going to rebuild Hadrian's wall and make

the English pay for it in new pounds coins; well,

it's her best idea so far to secure a decent currency.

Here's John Pienaar with the rest of the political week.

# You keep playing me like a fruit machine.

# Putting in change systemically...#.

I don't know about you, but I like a bit of a flutter,

not much, just what I can afford to lose, a bit like Brexit,

at least if you happen to be one of those -

let's give it a go, what have we got to lose,

Didn't sound like a gamble during the referendum, though.

Wasn't it meant to be a win, win - free trade with Europe,

Now ministers, including Brexiteers and old remainers,

like the Prime Minister, when she launched Brexit this week,

are crossing their fingers and hoping the Europeans play nicely.

After all, we Brits like to play nicely.

I have set out a clear and ambitious plan for the negotiations ahead.

It is a plan for a new, deep and special partnership between

A partnership of values, a partnership of interests,

a partnership based on co-operation in areas such as security

Because perhaps now more than ever, the world needs the liberal

Well, at least it's game on now, it's just taken the best part

of a year to pull up a chair, now, it's about winning and losing.

And the truth is, when the Brexit game starts, Britain

will expect to do both - lose some on budget payments,

win some, lose some on immigration control and win, well,

we're going to win back control and this's something, isn't it?

Not Jeremy Corbyn though, He's hoping to win whatever happens,

some of his side believe taht he's a secret Brexiteer.

He denies that, saying it can't be true.

Even if he is a bit of a secret sceptic, he doesn't want to back any

deal Theresa May gets and, just to be sure, he's demanding

she walk away from the deal with exactly the same benefits

as a full EU member, and nothing else will do.

Labour will not give this Government a free hand to use

Brexit to attack rights, protections and cut services

So let me be clear, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister says that no deal

But the reality is, no deal is a bad deal.

Which all sounded pretty tough and it might have worked if only

most of his MPs hadn't already decided that Jeremy couldn't pull

A lot of those same MPs, by the way, didn't dare oppose Brexit,

even if secretly they agreed with Nick - I mean, Tim.

Our children and our grandchildren will judge all of us

I am determined that I will look my children in the eye

and be able to say that I did everything to prevent this

calamity that the Prime Minister has today chosen.

We're leaving, he's won, even if his party can't any more.

25 years I've been battling for this and standing in by-elections

and fighting and being told I was daft and silly and it

So, in a sense, for me, today's the day the impossible dream came true.

Europe's hurting over the break-up, Donald Tusk,

You could almost have set his farewell to music.

There's no reason to pretend that this is a happy

day neither in Brussels nor in London.

What can I add to this, we already miss you.

Angela Merkel doesn't get sad, she gets even -

no trade deal until after the divorce, she says.

The president of the European Parliament, he says -

don't even think about changing migrants right until we leave

As for the Union, the British one that is, the Government

of Northern Ireland looks shaky and just listen to Nicola Sturgeon.

This is simply about giving people in Scotland a choice.

We agree that now is not the right time for that choice,

but that choice should be available to people in Scotland when the terms

Poor Jeremy Corbyn, I expect he could just do with a nice

The polls look dismal, his staff keep walking out

and his friends just seem to add to the pressure, even when they're

I'm hoping that he's given an opportunity to put

the alternatives that Labour are building to the British

electorate and, hopefully, we'll see if he can break

through and the opinion polls begin to change.

I would suggest that the next 15 months or so will give

Just now, Brexit is the only game in town and at least

Theresa May sound up for it, she's going to need to be.

Your Brexit Minister, David Davis, he said that there will be a free

trade deal which will quote, "deliver the exact same

What we're both looking for is that comprehensive free trade agreement

which gives that ability to trade freely into the European

It can't be the same benefit, can it?

It will be a different relationship, but I think it can have the same

benefits in terms of that free access to trade.

# You keep playing me like a fruit machine #.

Joining me now is Ukip's Deputy Chair and Health spokesperson,

With her is the only Scottish weapon more powerful than Trident,

the modern day William Wallace, the shining light, beacon of hope,

the Celtic Casanova himself, John #SNPSuperstar Nicolson.

Welcome to you both. Suzanne, Article 50 allows for only two

years, we have to settle the terms of the divorce, that's going to be

complicated. We have to agree new relationship with the EU, that's

going to be even more complicated. Can that really be done in two

years? This is the worry I've always had. I think Article 50 was probably

write within the intention that it was never going to be used. I often

wondered where the two-year period came from because, as anyone who's

been through a divorce knows it can take a heck of a lot longer. It puts

the pressure on to try to get everything sorted as quickly as

possible. That has to be in ours and the EU's best interests. The

timetable is even tougher than two years, John, because Mr Barnier,

heading up the negotiations, he wants to deal to be agreed by

October 2018 because he wants to allow time, another six months, for

the 27 governments to ratify. Now let me point out, the real

negotiations will start after the German elections are out of the way

in the last Sunday of September. All of that cannot be done in a year? I

completely agree and we know as well that they can't even agree how they

are going to negotiate because Mrs Merkel has said now is not the time

to the Prime Minister when she said we want to do simultaneous

negotiations, we want the divorce and the new settlement. What she

said is, you've got to have the divorce first before we start to

talk about the terms. How can they possibly do that in the amount of

time that they are setting aside? And you couldn't possibly have a

second referendum as a result because that's your timetable up to

October 2018? Well, you know what the Prime Minister's said. I know

what Nicola Sturgeon's said. And what Nicola Sturgeon's said as well.

At some level we have got to take the Prime Minister at her word,

haven't we? She's said, and David Davis has said, that they are aiming

for this timetable. I certainly think that we'll have a sense of

what the deal is likely to be in 18 months. You couldn't have a second

referendum on the basis of a sense? Well... Definitely not. Well, at the

moment, we are having to argue to have the second referendum, so we've

not quite got to that stage yet. But I think we will have a sense because

so far the Prime Minister's refused to say what the British hand is.

The 27 members will leak like a sieve. We will know what the British

position is - You would rather have a referendum on the business of

leaks? That is nonsense. Don't you remember Dennis Healy, when you are

in a hole stop digging. We don't know what the date of a referendum

will be. What I would say is, when the 27 member states have their

ratification process, that has to be the time, surely, that the Scots are

also allowed to have a Kay. How can the 27 have a say and Scotland not?

Because you are part of the United Kingdom. We know that. But it goes

against all sense of natural justice. When you look, particularly

when you see in the context - we have French elections first of all.

The council of ministers meeting at the end of April, Francois Hollande

is going there. He is irrelevant to it. It could take a while to form a

new French government this summer. They don't have a big presence in

the French Assembly. Then the summer and then the German elections. Isn't

a transitional period almost inevitable? That may be. Although I

don't think the sort of political decision that has to be made is all

that complicated. As I said earlier, it's either, kind of, acronymous or

it's fairly harmonious. That is - those are the dials set by the

politicians. I have agree that, you know, the negotiations between

officials could be very complex and they could go off into a

transitional period. But the political decision can be taken once

the German elections are over. I don't think they will be taken then.

I think they will be taken at the 59th minute of the 11th hour. In

March 2019? That is EU tradition. Everything is left to the last

possible moment. It's those two politicians who matter. It's quite

hard, even if it's goodwill on all sides to get the divorce done, to

get our new relationship with the EU done, a year, 18 months. I don't

think it will be possible. Part of me gets a sense that the public just

want a bit more honesty and realism in this debate about how long it

will take and the trade offs and difficult decision that is will

inevitably be required. I think the French election would obviously have

a big difference whether Mac o ron or Le Pen works. That is a threat to

the EU and Brexit is a side show. Exactly. I don't know if too much of

a difference in Germany, Merkel is more pragmatic. He is more

anti-British. More concerned about sorting out the internal problems of

the Eurozone. Let me ask you this. Should we be prepared to play a

multi-billion pound divorce fee? I don't think so. No. If you look at

the amount of money we put in since we joined the European Union, over

500 billion. We have 9 billion in the European Investment Bank. That

is the gross figure? Absolutely. The money that we have invested in the

European Union has enabled it to build a massive great big buildings,

huge property portfolio, infrastructure. I don't think we

should pay a big bill. Do you John? We signed up for a set of rules. We

don't know what the figure is. I watched your interview with the

Prime Minister. She didn't give you many straight answers. She certainly

didn't answer that one except to the extent that she said, this is a law

abiding country and we have to stick by the rules that we signed up - She

didn't deny it could be a multi-billion settlement. She didn't

confirm. The figure you put on it, she wasn't prepared to confirm. A

lot of this is, you know, pensions that we've guaranteed. You know,

it's a complicated - It's not just that. We have committed, as part of

the other countries, to long-term budgets and investment in other

countries. Why would we be committed to anything beyond the current

budget to 2020. There will be an argument we need - That is the

difference dfrn After 2020. Sglm That is the difference between the

figures. We don't know what they are. We should pay with a we owe. I

have always believed - Do you remember anybody being told about

this during the referendum campaign? I don't. I don't remember remain or

leave bringing this up. I don't remember the remain people saying or

the leave people confronting the idea of a bill to leave. No. I don't

remember the remain people trying to frighten the electorate with the

prospect of a bill. Is it not very difficult for the British Government

to agree to a substantial one-off payment? I think it is politically

rather difficult. That doesn't mean that it won't happen. I was rather

surprised that the Prime Minister didn't say to you yesterday that she

(inaudible) So am I. That would have kept her options open. The case

might subsequently be made. It's a pretty good sign that the European

Union is worried about what it is going to do with British money.

That's an important point. Money has become more important than the

coverage in this country suggestion for the European Union. We are one

of the few net donors. We are the biggest, after Germany, and so many

of either - France only contributes half what we do because it gets it

back through the Common Agriculture Policy. There is a huge hole in

their budget. If you owe me money, I'm in the driving seat. Well, thats

with a very clear message from this visit to Berlin last week. They are

very focused on the divorce agreement. One was that, secondly,

that they need to sort out problems that they have within the EU. The

third thing, which we never talk about, Brexit isn't top of their

list of priorities. This is not what they want to talk about. The world

does not resolve around us. What is top? The Eurozone, security and

migration. What do they want to do with the Eurozone? That is why we

are leaving because they are top priorities. It has been a spur to

the rest - What do they want to do - now we are no longer there to be a

break on everything. What do they want to do with it? There is a

clearly aldesire to sort out the problems as best they can in Italy

and Greece. What do they want to do? They don't have - One way to sort

out one of the ways essential to sorting out the euro is to agree

transfer payments from the north to the south. There is no agreement on

that in the European Union at all. A lot of them are in denial about

Brexit. I was in Berlin last week. In denial? A lot of them say, senior

politicians say - is it really going to happen? This informs the way they

will conduct themselves in the Brexit negotiations. If they think

that Britain will get such a terrible deal that the British

people will rebel against it, the Prime Minister - I didn't get a

sense of that. I got no sense whatsoever. They know it will

happen. Their priorities on the divorce. The idea that they were

thinking about a future trade deal. It wasn't - All of them are very -

We misunderstand where they are coming from. I need to bring Suzanne

in. What I found when I was there. The British public could get angry.

That is what my Brexit Tory colleagues argued saying it could

backfire. I get the impression Ukip would like us to have... I don't

think that is true. That is not what I feel. It's better to a deal. What

we have said is, if we don't get a deal which involves taking back

control of our borders and control of our fishing, then we don't get

the deal that the British people voted for. (Inaudible) Isn't that

what Mrs May is going to do? It is. Was there anything she said

yesterday you disagreed with? I saw David Davis I said we voted how we

voted. It's up to you to deliver. We will watch what they will do. It's a

challenge. It's almost daunting? It is daunting. I don't know whether

the Government has the capacity to deal with this. To get through all

the decision that is have to be made. At the same time as it's meant

to be govern governing the countries in all other sorts of ways. That is

a worry. Those of us who favour Brexit do not argue it will be a bed

of roses. It's not. John, has Nicola Sturgeon misread the Scottish mood

with this second referendum? There is little appetite for a second

referendum before Brexit. This poll came up by John Curtice, based at

Strathclyde University, 62% of Scots want the same Brexit deal as the

rest of the UK. 64% want the same immigration rules for EU and non-EU

members. I have my doubts about that. You are not allowed to doubt,

John. We have had experienc of polls. This is pretty dramatic. I

don't buy that. We have moved into a new stage, it's no longer the SNP

asking for a second independence referendum, it's the Scottish

Parliament. It's a poll - If Mrs... It's a parliamentary democracy.

There is no evidence. This is not a parliamentary democracy. We've run

out of time. I have to shut you all up. I thank you both for being with

us tonight. Tonight. Now, confidence was

palpable almost Tonight. Pint-drinking patriot, Nigel Farage,

is so sure Brexit will be a success he's pledged to migrate if it

all goes pear-shaped. Now you know why some

are willing it to fail! Journalist turned playwright,

Paul Mason, is so sure about the brilliance of his new play

that he's banned critics from reviewing it before

the end of the run. Why would you review it after the

run. And renowned German history scholar,

Ken Livingstone, is so sure Hitler was a Zionist he's

putting his membership If Labour does kick him out,

I'm told he'll use the extra time on his hands to write a new version

of the Hitler Diaries. There's confidence for you,

which is why we're putting REPORTER: Are you taking back

control, Prime Minister? Prime Minister, are you ready

for the fight ahead. It's good to be confident

in politics, especially Because I am confident

that we have the vision and the plan to use this moment to build a better

Britain. But Mrs May's Scottish

colleague, Ruth Davidson, was on fighting form on Tuesday,

barking orders at Nicola Sturgeon. I think I've answered

the First Minister's question, I will not

take another intervention. The Daily Mail was criticised

for one of its front-pages this week, but columnist Sarah Vine

was confident her story had legs. What we're doing is actually

creating a slightly more approachable version of this story

by commenting on this picture, which I still think

is worth commenting on. Across the pond, the Donald remains

confident about Trumpcare, despite Congress giving his flagship

policy the thumbs down. Perhaps the best thing that

could happen is exactly what happened today because we'll

end up with a truly great Health Care Bill in the future

after this mess, known The Donald's favourite actress,

Emma Thompson, revealed this week that she's never had the body

confidence to live in LA. I mean, every time I have to go

to Los Angeles I think - oh, God, I'm too fat to go there,

they're not going to let me in! # You can tell the way

she walks in the room #. Model Daisy Lowe says

she has to work on her So how important is confidence

if you want to get on in life? Welcome to the programme. Is it

really... The team have told me we are preparing for tonight that you

struggle with confidence at times? Yeah, of course. Why? Well, I

think... I don't no-one who doesn't struggle with confidence most days.

I've been judged on my looks since I was 15. I started modelling at 15.

And, I think, you know, I've never been a size zero I always wanted to

stick up for the feminine form and really champion being true to

yourself. And feeling empowered in that. You need some confidence to do

that. You are must have confidence? In an industry where it's stick

insects going up-and-down, that shows great confidence to me? You

are constantly compared to that. With social media you are constantly

faced with image comparisons and looking at that part of yourself.

It's something you have to work on. Do you think there are lots of

people who seem outwardly confident, but they are not. Of course. Inside

they are a bag of nerves? Yeah, of course. I think usually the most

confident people, seemingly confident people, are in fact, well,

narcissists are the most insecure ones of the lot. Indeed. They

definitely. Is that who you were talking about there? I should keep

that inside. I think it was just a joke. I would be really surprised,

someone like Emma Thompson, educated, intelligent, wonderful

actress, saying that she couldn't go to LA because - why would she even

care? But it's because she's so much more than just her appearance.

Exactly. Her appearance is great, so is everything else. She is an

incredible actress, writer, producer. It comes back to the way

she looks. Women are judged more for their appearance than men are. That

is true as we saw from the Daily Mail as well. Low confidence, does

it stop you from doing things? In your case it's pushed you on?

Totally. I have to use it as fuel, for sure. Taking part in Strictly I

would never have been able to do that - It's confidence. Was a

complete lack of confidence. Foolhardy. It gave me something and

I learnt so much about myself. I learnt I loved performing and just

loved building that confidence. It was very special.

Are you confident, Liz? Pretty confidence. I would agree. So you

should be. Not over-confident. I think I was very lucky in how I was

brought up, that they, my mum and dad, always said, kind of go for it

and if it goes wrong, we still love you and it doesn't matter. Now that

gave me confidence. Obviously I had lots of other advantages, but that

sense, if you try and you don't succeed, pick yourself up, go again

and we are here for you and that really matters. Are you confident,

Michael? I think on the whole I am. I think can desert you any time.

It's not predictable the circumstances that will make it

disappear. I must say, if there were one gift I could give to someone, it

would be confidence because it makes all the difference, that

self-belief, that ability to go out and do it, just makes all the

difference. It does, no matter who you are doing. Yes. Daisy, what are

you doing? I'm taking myself out of my comfort zone at the moment and,

for the first time, properly in my career actually I'm being more than

a 2 D image and coming on and doing terrifying things like coming and

chatting to all of you incredible people. We are glad you came on

tonight. Me too. Great to see you. That's your lot for tonight folks,

but not for us, we're heading to Frau Von LouLou's

for Jean-Claude Juncker's "so long, farewell, auf

wiedersehen" Brexit knees up. As long as he's not put off

by a letter to him from a Polish MP claiming his "alcohol dependency"

has become a problem Nighty Night, don't let

Jean-Claude's feisty greetings bite. MasterChef is back, to find the

country's best home chef.