11/05/2017 This Week

Tonight, we are sending you back to the future.

Wait a minute, Doc Andrew, are you telling me you invented

The Tories say Labour would take us back to the 1970s,

but could it be back to a brighter and better future?

I'm not too sure where, I mean when, we are.

I remember when honesty was in fashion but This Week has

While we are talking about honesty, this isn't a steering wheel.

And is too much immigration overwhelming society's

Mass immigration is a ticking time bomb that threatens the very fabric

Doc, it's getting out of control we need some better guests.

We don't have enough quality to take us through to another series.

Where we are in the TV schedule, we don't need quality.

Evening all, welcome to This Week, where henceforth this programme

Well, if the PM can rebrand the Tories as The May Team

After all, when it comes to wooden performances in which tautological

vacuities are recycled ad nauseam and the default position is never

to answer a question unless it's one that wasn't asked,

well, the May Team is no match for the Neil Team.

Indeed if imitation is the purest form of flattery, I suspect we've

been a bit of an inspiration for the May Team.

We've been recycling the same bollocks for 14 years and nobody

seems to have noticed, probably because the BBC Yentobs

are still out on the lash at this time on a Thursday night

You might think The Neil Team repetitive and dull.

And light years from the Coalition of Chaos that is the rest

But one of the drawbacks of being a team is that you need

But here I've taken a leaf out of Mrs May's book.

The more useless they are, the better the team leader looks.

So, joining me on the sofa tonight are two political nonentities that

even the One Show wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I speak of course of Michael #ChooChoo Portillo and Liz

Your moment of the week? The firing of Mr Comey, the FBI Director, by

the President of the United States, Mr Trump. The manner of it - you are

hereby terminated, and the mention in the letter of the fact that the

FBI Director told us to Trump three times he was not under

investigation, which had nothing to do with the letter. I think he

probably was incompetent over the Hillary Clinton e-mail business but

why would you fire someone without building the case, unless you were

worried about something? And I just do think, the Russian link is now

more of a smoking gun than before. I thought it fascinating that the

people who run the Nixon library issued a statement pointing out that

Richard Nixon had never fired the head of the FBI. It has to be

Emmanuel Macron's victory in the presidential elections. And for me,

his acceptance speech was very interesting. He acknowledged the

anger of Marine Le Pen's voters. He told his supporters to stop booing

the people who had voted for Marine Le Pen. He said he had to provide

answers for the problems that people had, and that he wanted France not

to be the victims of fear, and not to seek -- not to cede ground to

defeat and decline. He acknowledged a yearning for change and the

challenge for him is to deliver that because Marine Le Pen's supporters

will not go away. He has to win a majority now in the Parliamentary

elections in June. Now, Theresa May has pledged

to reduce net migration to the UK Well, if you haven't got any

policies why not just recycle ones you've made before even if you've

broken them - twice. Of course Brexit might make more

of a dent on the migration numbers. Here's Douglas Murray

with his take of the week. Most of us live our lives

as though we'll never die. Civilisations have the same

habit but they flower I've been travelling the continent

recently to study the migration crisis which has been

going on for decades. Two things make it

into a catastrophe. The first is the mass

movement of millions The second, that this

should happen at precisely the moment our civilisation lost

faith in itself. For Europe was not just

a continent but a culture, inviting the world in to join us

meant changing that culture, becoming multicultural,

a convenor of the world's people. Today, Europe has become a home

for anyone in the world who wants to call it home,

while the European people are losing the only place

they have to call home. Whenever the European public get

a chance to send a message to their politicians,

they send the same one - But they are consistently not

listened to and called every type Europe's political class continued

to evade the deep underlying questions they should have been

asking years ago. We see this in the UK

where the Conservative Party offers Brexit as some kind of panacea

and promises things And a Labour Party which doesn't

make any promises at all. The European public understandably

and consistently reject extremists of all stripes but it leaves them

morose without options and, while we may be able to avoid this

discussion again this season, And Douglas Murray, author

of The Strange Death Michael, what did you make of what

Douglas had to say? I think there are some values in Europe which are

important and worth defending. I'm not sure I agree that they are

pan-European. I think they tend to be clustered in Western Europe,

maybe even to some extent more in northern Europe, but there are

values worth defending. And I think Douglas has a point, that we have

acted as though these values needed no defence, did not need assertion

and repetition and reinforcement. And I think they do. Written,

because it is in Ireland and because it is facing up to some of these

problems stands a good chance. -- Britain, because it is an island and

because it is facing up to some of these problems, stands a good

chance. Lives. I don't see a Europe of defeat and decline. We talked

earlier about Marine Le Pen being defeated in France, Geert Wilders in

the Netherlands. The AFD is down to 7% in the polls in Germany. But

without doubt, understanding people's concerns, particularly

about very quick and large movements of different groups into Europe, is

important. But when I look back in the history of my own city in

Leicester, when 5000 Ugandan Asians arrived in the early 1970s there was

huge fear and uncertainty and the campaign against them coming, but

now we can't imagine our city without their hard work and

entrepreneurialism. Why exactly arm I grants leading to the fall of

Europe? The example that Liz gives is pertinent. That Ugandan Asian

migration to Britain, we still talk about, like the Huguenots. But that

migration is now replicated all the time. Since 1997, the same movement

we had once of Ugandan Asians into Britain happens every six weeks to

Britain. But why is it leading to the fall? We have made the

presumption in Europe, particularly on the continent where it is more

accentuated than here, that societies are places where you can

bring in huge numbers of people all the time. 6000 is an average 24

hours arrival in one Italian island these days and has been for recent

years, 6000. My view is that when you bring in people at that speed on

that scale, we make a fundamental mistake about our societies.

Societies and cultures are fragile ecosystems, not things you can keep

doing things to and expect the same thing to continue. Why does

migration lead to the fall of Europe? It does not lead to the fall

of the United States. There are several reasons for that. The United

States was built on migration and has migration as an ideal, the ideal

of it being a place you go to and become part of the American dream.

If we wanted to do that, we should start soon, and we are not. You

would not want to either. That is not true. My contention is that if

we had had this movement of people and had a clear idea of what we

expected when they arrived, it could be possible. But that is so far from

the discussion we have had for decades. We have been so

muddleheaded about it. We had a time when we thought all of the migrants

would go home, would not stay. We thought the guest workers would do

the job and then leave. That was a mistake. The fundamental thing was a

mistaken idea. Then we have the idea that people would come, and that

they would become exactly like us. Then we said, we don't want you to

become like us, but celebrate your own culture. And at some point in

the last ten years we decided, we do want you to become like us. These

are totally different messages we have consistently given out. Fall of

the issues that there are, it is remarkable how well we have coped as

a country. And it always strikes me that people come here because they

see us as a land of opportunity. And democracy. A city on a hill.

Exactly. They value our freedoms, our democracy. I would not guarantee

that in all cases, if I may say so. I would not guarantee that people

move here because they want democracy. Using to have a bleaker

view of what we are and can achieve than those who come here. My view is

that when you go to the places of people who enter Europe, as I have

done, you find people not just fleeing war. You find sub-Saharan 's

and others coming for a better life. We would do the same. Europe is a

tantalising prospect because of our wealth and opportunity. And we do

not have an attitude about who should be here. We allow anyone who

walks into Europe, or who goes a few miles of the Libyan coastline, to be

picked up and brought into Europe. That seems to me to be an unwise

policy because it is unsustainable in the long-term.

I want to bring Michael back in. If Europe is in fall, surely the recent

stagnation is more to do with economic policy than with migration.

I think governments have allowed large numbers to come in without

making an equivalent investment in public services, schools and health.

And that has happened in this country. So people are very worried

about what is occurring. I think it is true that if certain sorts of

migrant arrive, who are hungry for work, entrepreneurial, it can drive

your economy forward but you have to be careful to move at a pace that

the population can accept. But the demography of Europe is a disaster

for Europe. It is an ageing population, particularly in Germany

and in Italy. And an influx of younger people is surely what an

economy needs. I don't understand, the voters in Europe do not agree

with you. The French did not agree and they have more reason than most

to worry about migration because of the link with terrorism. They

elected a pro-immigration President. The Germans are going to re-elect

Angela Merkel, who allowed a million refugees to come in. People seem to

be coping. The Austrian Freedom Party got 46%

of the vote. Everyone said thank goodness we have seen off the far

right party. Macron exclusively... Only second in the Netherlands. Only

a third voted for Le Pen. If you want to consider how serious it is,

look at the polling in France of what French people think about

migration, in particular issues of integration and culture. Then you

see, what is the thing put in front of them, this Le Pen family again.

Of course French people don't want them. That's not the same as saying

they want the migration. As for the issue of the ageing population. If

it's the belief that people have in Europe, that instead of dealing with

pension problems and an ageing population, if people think the best

answer is to bring in the next generation of Germans from Eritrea,

it should be stated as a policy, but it does not seem the most wise way

to approach the ageing population or the immigration issue. There are

immigrants coming in from many other areas than Eritrea. I gave it as an

example. Douglas puts his finger on a point that, whatever you think of

the policy, it's never been exposed to a vote in Europe, in any European

country. What are the novelties about our recent referendum on the

European Union, one of them was, people were able to determine the

future direction of their country. But many of the most important

changes have occurred without anybody giving their ascent. So

maybe this is something on which you ought to have a referendum but I

think... What would your question be? Do you wish to... How many

Eritreans do you want. Can I give an example of one. The idea people

haven't voted on this... You would set before people a range of options

about what sort of country they wanted. This is what voters have

said to me. They've said this is what our country looks like, when

was the moment we voted for? . An example of... No, because I have to

bring Liz in, then I'll let you have the final word. The idea that people

haven't expressed their views on immigration is completely wrong. It

was at the heart of the debate in the last general election and on the

Brexit vote here. The same is true in what's just happened in France

and Macron isn't ignoring the issue. He's recognised people's fears and

concerns but he wants to offer real answers to those problems, not the

fear and lies of Le Pen. So the idea it hasn't been debated I spend all

my life debating it, I just don't buy it.

A more general point. Whatever the politicians say, it seems to me in

the 21st century, globalisation in some form is here to stay. Surely

that just comes with the huge movement of people, that is now the

world we live in? Well, if it is then I think that the European

public ought to be prepared for that. They are not and they will not

like it. Opinion across the continent consistently shows them

wanting to slow it down. I don't disagree. Chatham House in London

asked Ken countries in Europe whether they would agree with the

statement that they don't want Muslims in Europe. Eight out of ten

agreed with that, that included France and Germany. One of the only

two countries where that wasn't the majority opinion was this one where

only 47% agreed with that statement. The political class in Europe would

be mad not to listen to what the public are trying to say. , what,

exclude Muslims? No, you should listen to the public, that would not

be my policy. You should try to move towards them. And provide leadership

Move towards the public, don't just berate them.

Now it's late, poster gazing with Tim Farron late.

In fact, the Lib Dem leader is rapidly becoming a bit

of a campaign casanova, from impromptu spats

with voters in the streets, to talk of Maggie Thatcher posters

But if like us, you'd rather not hear about Tim's lurid

childhood fantasies, fear not, because waiting

in the wings is comedy legend David Baddiel here to put honesty

in our Spotlight So get on the frankbook, tell

us our twitter truths, you better be snapsure,

Now folks, France's new President has been in touch.

He wants us to move all our operations across to Paris.

He loves the idea of Leez, Michel and Andre heading over

to the city of lights to start "Cette Semaine" and he's lured us

with a promise of buttered croissants and Chateau Margot.

To be honest, ever since Trump TV withdrew their offer at the behest

of Russia Today we've been at a loose end.

But now we're off to Gay Paree and Molly the Dog will be joining

President Macron has promised she'll have her own private jet

Here's Kevin Maguire with his Round up of the political week.

The election campaigns are in full swing.

The parties are out to woo, 46 million voters to be won,

That Musky scent of progressive alliance is in the air.

Put on some party tunes and get in the mood.

Theresa May started the week promising to cap energy prices.

The wholesale intervention in the energy market?

Maggie#One would be turning in her grave.

When Labour proposed a similar policy under Ed Miliband,

Well, potato potato, Marxist, support working families,

Sometimes people say to me that doing something like that doesn't

sound very conservative, but actually my response

Sometimes people say to me that doing something like that doesn't

sound very conservative, but actually my response o

to that is when it comes to looking at supporting working

people, what matters is not an ideaology,

what matters is what you believe to be doing is right.

Maggie#Two indicated the Tory manifesto will now repeat

the party's traditional failed pledge to reduce net migration

The Tories and immigration, it gets me every time.

As for anybody who wants to declare a just cause

for impediment to the cap, like businesses worried about Brexit

hurting their workforces, Home Secretary Amber Rudd was having

I did fear that Pret A Manger came out and said it's absolutely

essential for us to have European workers because if they don't,

we are going to have to make more of an effort to recruit in the UK.

A drop of the blue stuff to calm me down.

One man who thinks he's securing his job is Jeremy Corbyn

who to the dismay of the right of his party suggested

he tried to stay on even if they lose the election.

Corbyn launched his election campaign with a rally in Manchester

and he said he had scores to settle and he was angry.

When Labour wins, there will be a reckoning for those who thought

they could get away with asset stripping our industry,

crushing our economy through their greed,

and ripping off workers and consumers.

Those working hard to get on, they make them foot the bill.

This makes me angry, and I know what makes the people

While I'm waiting, let's finish that Labour manifesto.

?10 living wage, school dinners, NHS, gas, trains,

Corbyn is a conviction politician and this leaked

manifesto is his wish list, but the truth is, Labour

is fighting to save seats against the march of Theresa May.

# She's going to have you at her beck

The Lib Dems are fighting as a pro-Remain party,

the party of the 48%, but there was no big surge

Like Labour, the Lib Dems oppose austerity.

Like Labour, the Lib Dems would spend more on education.

Like Labour, the Lib Dems would put up taxes on the rich.

So much in common, you would have thought

Local pacts have broken out but for Tim Farron it is the love

We've been very clear as a party and continue to be

so that there will be no coalition, no pact, no deals.

The British people need to know that voting Liberal Democrat is the way

you express your desire for there to be a strong, clear, alternative

The Greens aren't playing hard to get.

You're going to wake up on June nine, a lot of people are going to

be asking themselves, when will the left ever learn.

We have a few more days when we can build on these

alliances which it is not just the Green Party asking for them, but

people up and down the country, begging parties of the left and

centre left to get together to do grown-up politics.

Meanwhile, Ukip, the Tory's bit of rough, is going to

No luck in the locals, no MPs left, nothing to carry on for.

Well, Paul Nuttall insisted it had a future.

I think our manifesto, in many ways, will be a decade of its time.

Because I guarantee the policies that we put forward now

will no doubt end up being the policies of the mainstream

political parties, or indeed government

I'm never going to find love in the kitchen.

I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to take the bins out.

It's a proper boys job, catnip for the ladies.

It's how the PM and Mrs PM keep romance alive.

Yes, I get to decide when I take the bins out, not

There's boy jobs and girl jobs, you see.

I like buying nice shoes, so that gives me

a reason for going and buying some more.

Is there much space for you in the wardrobe at Number Ten?

I sort of get a section, a little section

Hang on, she keeps him in the wardrobe!

And the Mirror's Kevin Maguire is with us now.

Welcome, it's been a long day for you. Is this a manifesto that could

win an election, Liz? I'm amazed that people have been surprised

about what's been in the leak. This is the programme that Jeremy's

campaigned on for decades, it was in his last two leadership election

bids and we got four weeks to see what will happen on June 8th. Could

it win an election? Well, we'll see. I know that, I'm asking for you

view? Well, you know, I don't know. Anything's possible. What did I say

about questions and answers that had no relation to the question?

Michael? It's got lots of popular things in it but the election is not

about the manifesto, but Jeremy Corbyn, at least in one respect.

There's no chance the British people are going to elect Jeremy Corbyn as

their Prime Minister. The thing that surprised me is that it's not what

is in the manifesto, but the spending commitment is powered upon

spending commitment. IFS, Financial Times, 60 billion a year in

spending, financing various ways. But there's no sense of priorities

within the draft? You would think we'd like to do all this but we

might not be able to do it all but here are the four, five things that

we definitely will do. That goes back to the pledge card of 1997

which was very successful and, in a way, it was under-promise,

over-deliver. Here you have a big list. I would hope if the cam Spain

going to improve, it will come up. Narrow it down? And come up with the

big priorities and selling points. You could even say how there was a

coherent programme. A ComRes poll for the Mirror tomorrow shows yes

people would like the policies but you keep coming up against the

problem of Jeremy Corbyn whose own personal ratings are appalling and

if people don't like the messenger, they'll not trust the message. They

may like the policies, the individual policies, but in general

if they see you as profligate, does it impact on borrowing? In 2015, we

had a problem that people didn't Kist us on the economy or with their

taxes and that remains an issue which is why it's going to be so

important to have more detail about how the pledges are going to be

funded when the manifesto comes out. I mean, I think Michael is right,

that whilst we may obsess over the manifesto, manifestos on their own

don't win or lose elections, it's about whether people think about the

lead eship, whether they think you have a vision for the future on what

you can be part of, whether they trust you with taxes and security.

That's the challenge over the next four weeks. Why are you grinning

like a herb cat? He's such a friendly man, that's why, Andrew.

Liz is picking her way through her sentences like a soldier crossing a

mine field with enormous care about every word. And some skill I would

say. Absolutely. She's not been blown up yet. What about rail

nationalisation? Good? The challenge is to get more

investment into improved the stock. We are going to have to show how we

can afford to get that back and put in the investment we need. My

understanding is that the plan is to wait until each franchise comes up

and put it back in. That will take until 2036. He will be 87 before he

gets the last franchise. It was Labour policy in 2015 and is

popular. What is the point of nationalising the National Grid? It

is taking over the infrastructure, so you control the infrastructure,

so everybody sells in and through you. Also, there has been massive

underinvestment in the grid, and they feel, if you put the investment

in publicly, you want to control it. They will have to spend a great deal

to buy it and they will have to finance the investment. I wonder if

you just buy a stake and begin to control it that way. That would be

the sensible way forward. There is a danger with this manifesto that

there is this huge rise in corporation tax, all sorts of detail

state intervention, when banks close, you cannot bid for pop the

queue and if the boss is getting more than 20 times more than the

lower paid worker. But if a lot of companies, we have been told by the

Remain campaign are thinking of leaving Britain, when they see is

this, this could tilt them over. I think you are right to say we need a

strong emphasis on what we are going to do to support businesses to grow

and succeed in future. The stuff we have said on improving education and

skills is vital but many businesses are worried about the future, what

Brexit is going to bring, and they need a degree of stability. You are

right to say, how do we get more investment in the infrastructure

that businesses need to grow, and how do we get businesses to invest

more. It has to be both sides. On Brexit, is Labour now saying that a

bad deal is better than no Deal? Labour is still going for the deal.

But if it doesn't get one, it won't contemplate not doing a deal? Mrs

May has said that no deal is better than a bad deal, but Labour now

seems the mirror image. I think she backed off from that because she

realised that we might not have much of a car industry left, for a start.

I think Kier Starmer is confident that if he had the job he would get

a deal, some cooperation, some give and take, transitional period, they

believe they can get it. And no deal would be a disaster. That is what

most of the businesses in my patch are worried about. They can't wait

for a deal. They have to plan ahead and getting no deal would be a

disaster. I think most people want a deal, but the worst way to try and

get one is to say you are desperate to have a deal. I don't agree.

Everybody knows what happens in negotiation, but doing a threat of

no deal... Not a threat, just saying you are strong enough to contemplate

no deal. That way people will negotiate. They are going to

negotiate. The idea that you have to say we would walk away to get them

round the table... If you don't make it clear you are prepared to walk

away, they will walk all over you. Britain is not Greece. As Tony Blair

put it, it is rather like saying no deal, you walk away. In blazing

saddles, when the sheriff puts the gun to his head and says, if you

move, I will pull the trigger. It would be catastrophic not to have a

deal. Is it clear that Jeremy Corbyn intends to stay on, even if he loses

by as much as the polls would suggest. I don't think it is clear.

Those around him want him to stay on. There are others like the Shadow

Chancellor who talk about the left project, wants changes to the Labour

constitution. To stand in future you would only need 5% of MPs, not 15.

They wanting to stay on to see if he could do that. I am not sure he

would want to. He nearly went last summer. If Labour suffer a pretty

heavy defeat, the script is written, really. You are not looking to win

seats, you are defending seats, there is no prospective... If he

doesn't walk away after a disastrous defeat, what are the implications

for Labour? If you look at what happened in the past, mostly both --

most leaders if they have lost a referendum or an election, only Neil

Kinnock lost an election and stayed. It was only fair that he should get

a second chance. I think most MPs are utterly focused on getting to

the polls shutting on the 8th of June at 10pm. Gaitskell lost and

stayed and Clement Attlee lost and stayed but we are in a different

time. If Jeremy Corbyn is serious about the left project, why would

you leave in circumstances where Labour MPs have rigged the

nomination so a left winger would not be nominated. Surely he would

want to stay until the rules have been changed. The wake of defeat

could be so heavy it would be crushing. Let's see. The Tory

manifesto hasn't been leaked but that is probably because there are

only three people involved in drafting it, including the Prime

Minister. I am sure that a limited number helps. Do you think it will

have vision and substance, or just stable and strong and strong and

stable. Fox-hunting and grammars. You can hunt them at school? Is it a

boys job or a girl 's job? I am being let off the hook. It will

obviously have some things which will be controversial amongst

Tories, like the intervention in the utilities. They probably don't care

because they think they are going to win. They don't care, and there is a

lot of fuzzy nostalgia about Margaret Thatcher. She was quite an

interventionist. She did not control gas prices but had to be dragged

towards each privatisation. You think the Tories can get away with

fighting largely on leadership, not policy bastion Mark I said that two

weeks ago and the last two weeks have born that out. Week by week,

there are distractions offered by the Labour Party that make it

unnecessary for the Conservative Party to say anything. The

Conservatives are briefing that she is going to the north-east of

England later today and they will make a big announcement of what it

is. Whether it qualifies as a big announcement, we have to wait and

see. Thank you. Get back to the dishes.

It has been quite a week for home truths, from the excruciating detail

of Theresa May's relationship with her red box in the bedroom, two team

Corbyn revealing exactly how they feel about the BBC by running over

one of our cameraman. An accident, of course. We are putting honesty in

this week's spotlight. The Prime Minister is known

for her equivication, especially when it comes

to her Prime Ministerial ambitions. Would you ever consider

running for the job? Look, David I hope is going

to carry on until 2020. Her husband Philip appears

to be more transparent. Well, I knew you were interested

in politics but I never heard Theresa say she wanted to be

Prime Minister until she was well Stephen Fry's comments

about religion made him the subject of a blasphemy probe until the Irish

police dropped the case on Tuesday. Why should I respect a capricious

mean-minded stupid God who creates a world which is so full

of injustice and pain? And can honesty get in the way

of achieving your political goals? Donald Trump once had this

to say about James Comey. It tooks guts for Director Comey

to make the move he made in light Earlier this week,

the President fired the FBI He wasn't doing a good

job, very simply. Straight-talking comedian

David Baddiel prides himself on his honesty, but is that

easy if you are a politician? Was there a time when politicians

were more honest? I don't know, because I am so tired. It took me so

long to get on this show. I have come straight from my west End show.

Two hours I have been on stage and you have asked me a difficult

question. I do think that in the past there was less speaking in

general. There were fewer interviews, no rolling news, no

social media. Politicians and everyone has more opportunity to be

caught lying, or to apparently not speak the truth, but the idea that

all politicians are liars, I do believe that. But I do think

politicians, and we have two over here, one of them and ex-politician,

and I am tired so I forgot. They have to create a narrative. Some are

better than others. Theresa May is very bad at it, she seems very

uncomfortable being interviewed. Her husband, another politician, seemed

totally fine about it. In trying to play that card of normal, here I am,

a person who hangs out with my husband and has a chat, she was

terrible at that. They sometimes find it difficult to be normal. But

normal is a narrative, a persona. Sometimes politicians think they

want to be honest and the public want them to be honest, but they

worry that if they are honest, the public will not be so keen on them.

I am doing a show at the moment and it is about my father's dementia and

my late mother's infidelity. I don't see it as brutally honest, I am just

interested in authenticity. Particularly Tommy you mentioned

Trump, when there is so much fake news, no one is themselves and

people are searching for an identity. I think people certainly

do want and respond to authenticity. If you feel it, it is sometimes a

feeling. People do like authenticity, which may be different

from honesty. I think they are definitely linked. I interviewed

Tony Blair in 1997 as part of a thing called the enormous election,

a youth programme. I don't like to think about it! I noticed about Tony

Blair at the time that he was very good at seeming authentic. That

became degraded over time so that that person owner of, I am a normal,

authentic guide, after a while you did not believe it. He was like a

caricature of himself. The most extraordinary example of dishonesty

was Stanley Baldwin who in 1935 refused to admit the country needed

to rearm. When he was challenged a couple of years later he said, had I

gone before the electorate in 1935 and with appalling frankness told

them we needed to rearm, I would not have won the election. He actually

said he could not have used appalling frankness. By then, he had

won the election. What he did was he put the need to win the election for

his party above his country. It was unforgivable. What is the state of

honesty and authenticity today? There are two sides. One is about

the politics and what needs to happen and I will refer again to

Emmanuel Macron who said, if you are shy, you die. He told it as he

thought it was and he won. And then there is honesty about yourself and

who you are. That is harder to give of yourself and what you are like

with your family and friends when you are not at work. I find that the

hardest bit, partly because it is difficult, I think, to give that as

a politician. But also because they have not asked to be in politics,

have not asked to be on the media, so it is hard as an individual to

show what you are like. Trump, who is incredibly like he probably is in

real life, I don't Inc he has another setting except what he shows

all the time. -- I don't think he is able to have another setting. But

because his motivations are always so obvious and naked, even with that

letter to director Comey, he mentions the investigation going on

because he can't help himself. So the White House are trying to say it

is about Hillary Clinton and Trump has given away that it is about the

investigation. It is a weird kind of honesty. I don't think he is honest

to himself. That is about self awareness, and he has no

self-awareness. He is the least self-aware man in the history of the

world but he has an inability to not give away what is going on inside

him because he has no emotional intelligence so he is always telling

you what is going on but he can't see it. It is becoming almost

impossible to hold into account because of the ducking, diving and

the changes it is impossible. That normal thing. Presumably Stanley

Baldwin could be held to account, but Trump doesn't care about it. He

can say one thing, say another thing and then say, I didn't say that.

When he said that the Chinese were hoaxing climate change, he said, I

didn't say it. He wrote it down! Your show is on in London. The

Playhouse Theatre in London. It is on now. Every night. That is why I

am so tired. I am glad you found time to see us. Go home to bed.

Thank you. Come and tucked me in. I will!

Now that's your lot for tonight folks but not for us,

we're off to the Islington branch of LouLou's for Jezza Corbyn's

falafel and humous victory party rehearsal, we've been promised

Islington's finest cappuccinos, wall to wall quinoa, drum circles,

multilingual renditions of kumbaya and plenty of red red wine.

We leave you with a lesson in the art the longform

political interview, courtesy of our pals

Nighty night, don't let Mr and Mrs May bite.

First impressions of your wife to be?

Then we were looking at some footage, weren't we?

And we found you, Philip, back in 1986.

So how did you decide which one was going to stand for office

and which one would kind of do, if you want, a sort of a normal job?

I don't think it was quite as thought through as that, in a way.

Obviously, if you are the kind of man who expects his tea to be

on the table at six o'clock every evening, you could be

Theresa's a very, very good cook indeed.

And you have a large number of cookery books.

I have a large number of cookery books, yes.

Who has banned the red box from the bedroom?

Identikit of a maiden appearance in the bedroom.

I've never had to try and shoo it out.

If you lie your whole life, you cannot escape.

I know this is the right place. I've been waiting my whole life.

She's looking for a man who knows nothing about her.