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Take a look.

There is a mist coming

in. Something is brewing, about to

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begin. Could it be this week? Here

it is practically perfect in every

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way.

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# A spoonful of sugar helps the

medicine go down.

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Kate Andrews hopes a spoonful of

sugar will have the medicine go

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down.

Yes, I do, Andrew. But I think

the NHS may need more than a

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sweetener or two. I know it is

unpopular but Donald Trump has a

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point about the National Health

Service.

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Kate McCann round-up the political

week.

Votes for this week! Votes for

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this week?

Is anybody actually watching?

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And drag queen Courtney Act thinks

we should take a jolly holiday from

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gender obsession.

You know what,

Andrew? You are not bad for a bloke,

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but for the sake of humanity can we

sweep away gender stereotypes?

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Thanks, Courtney. All that coming

up. Before we begin, let me make one

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thing clear. This week never

explains anything!

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Evenin' all.

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Welcome to This Week,

the East Coast Mainline

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of bankrupt late night TV.

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We started out 15 long years ago,

a child of the state.

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But then we were privatised

and lived high on the hog.

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Too high.

We went bust.

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So the state took us

back into its care.

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Then, with a casual disregard

for recent history,

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we were privatised again.

Trebles all round.

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Until we went bust.

Again.

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Forcing us once more

into the warm if somewhat stale

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embrace of the state.

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They've even thrown in the Newsnight

franchise just to keep us sweet.

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"It's time the BBC stood up

to the 35 hardcore incompetents

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who've presided over this farce,"

I cried.

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"It's time we slung 'em out."

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Until Molly the Dog put me back

on my medication, and pointed

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out that without them

there would be no show.

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So, at great sacrifice,

I'm taking a pay cut instead.

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I'm told it's very fashionable among

men of a certain age

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in the BBC these days.

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Speaking of those who've failed

to shine in the public

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or the private sector,

I'm joined on the sofa tonight

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by two politicians who couldn't

even get citizenship

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in Jacob Rees Mogg's vassal state.

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I speak of course of

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Alan #SadManonTheLeft Johnson

and Anna #ProperTory Soubry.

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Welcome to you both.

Anna, your

moment of the week? Kaan Ayhan two?

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No. Tuesday, big moment of the week.

A great site to see all those women,

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Tory women MPs. The celebration of

almost all women getting the vote.

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100 years ago. I think it's quite

interesting. I am a feminist but I

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don't wear my womanhood, if you

like, in the jobs I have done, which

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have been mainly male dominated

business, industry sec set. But

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these young Tory women were there

with their rosettes and their

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Suffragette women's -- ribbons and

they were proud of it. And then

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Harriet Harman, who has done so much

for women in politics, really brave.

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Great stuff. And Theresa May, the

second female Prime Minister just

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happens to be a Tory. She also has

done a great deal.

And glad we're

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not making any party political

points.

Alan? Normally I wouldn't

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talk about railways. I have to go

back to your splendid introduction.

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For the 15 years this programme has

been on I have travelled the east

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coast railway. I started off on

Gianni. They lost the track --

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franchise. I was them with National

Express, then someone else in the

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middle. Then I was back with a state

owned East Coast rail line.

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owned East Coast rail line. Then it

went to Stagecoach Virgin.

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went to Stagecoach Virgin.

Anu,

sorry for interrupting you.

Now I'm

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into the next one. Chris Grayling

came to parliament last week and

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said Stagecoach Virgin was wrapping

up. But he could well give them an

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extension. It is the best argument,

the east Coast, for taking the

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railways back into public ownership.

And I am not a private sector bad,

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public sector good kind of

politician. It is a kind of open

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door. It is the kind of thing that

if Theresa May was going to do

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something radical, and that is a

surprise, she would go down that

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route. Or that Railtrack.

Good to

have two nonparty political points.

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Kind of.

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It was former Tory Chancellor Nigel

Lawson who said the NHS

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was the closest Britain had

to a national religion,

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which folks criticised

at their peril, and whose insatiable

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demand for more resources

politicians had no

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choice but to feed.

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So when President Trump tweeted

that the NHS was not working,

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there was predictable outrage

from across the political spectrum

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at such ignorant blasphemy.

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Of course, it did not help that

Mr Trump was using in evidence

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a British demonstration calling

for more NHS, not less.

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Subtlety - or facts - is not always

The Donald's strong suit.

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But did he have a point?

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Is the NHS really the envy of

the world, as even Tory politicians

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like to claim these days?

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Here's Kate Andrews from

the Institute of Economic Affairs

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with her Take of the Week.

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I'm rarely a fan of Donald Trump's

provocative tweets.

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But this time he's got a point.

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He is wrong about the NHS

protestors' motivations.

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Making him a troll

of the highest order.

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But he's right that the NHS

is on life support.

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Criticise the American

system all you want.

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But health care provision isn't

a black or white issue.

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And 28 million uninsured

Americans are not proof

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the UK has a good system.

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Despite increased funding in real

terms the NHS remains in critical

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condition in vital areas,

from maternity wards to A&E.

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Winter flu caused yet another

crisis, resolved only by cancelling

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50,000 operations in the first month

of the year.

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Yet senior politicians are applauded

for making ridiculous claims

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like the NHS is the envy

of the world, when in reality it

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tends to rank in the bottom third

of health system performance

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across the developed world.

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The UK invented the concept

of universal coverage,

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meaning everyone has access to care

regardless of ability to pay.

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We are told it in

the DNA of the NHS.

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Great.

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But most of the developed world has

adopted the principle of universal

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access through other means.

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The centralised bureaucratic

monopoly that is the NHS is no

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longer the best medicine.

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It is a myth that we face a binary

choice between the NHS and the USA.

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Both countries would do well to look

at the social health insurance

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systems in Europe for prescriptions

for better, patient-centric care.

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Who in their right mind could be

outside Britain looking in and think

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this is a system worth emulating?

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Nobody in the developed world should

envy the NHS, not even the USA.

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That was Kate Andrews. She joins us

now. Welcome. Anna, if the NHS is

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the envy of the world, why hasn't

another country copied it?

I don't

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know the answer to that. I think

it's good. I think when it works

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well, it's outstanding.

That is true

of anything if it works.

No, with

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the NHS there is an idea that it is

either pretty average if not pretty

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bad. There are problems.

Let's take

one problem. Cancer survival rates.

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They are not just worse than

Scandinavia, America, Canada or

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Australia. For some cancers they are

worse than Brazil and Costa Rica.

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And?

Can't be that great if we can't

be better than Costa Rica.

I don't

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have the stats in front of me. But

the advances that have been made

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have been terrific. What is the

alternative? I think as a nation we

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like an NHS that is free at the

point of delivery. It's part of our

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DNA. I don't think people want to

change that. I'm not saying it

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doesn't need more money. We have to

be honest about that. I'm not saying

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it doesn't need to work better.

There are huge improvements that can

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be made.

Let me bring Alan in.

But I

don't think it is bust.

Bowel cancer

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survival rates, 17th in Europe, 30th

and the world. Prostate cancer, 16th

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in Europe, 26th in the world. Breast

cancer survival rates, 14th in

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Europe, with these statistics you

can't be the envy of the world?

No,

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but we shouldn't defend the NHS on

the basis of some mythical, we are

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the envy of the world, we should

base it on what it has done for the

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British people. What it has done

more than anything else, and there

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are other countries, Sweden,

Canada... Look at how difficult it

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was to change our system. When it

was done by the Labour government

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they needed a landslide majority to

do it. They were bitterly opposed by

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doctors. They were bitterly opposed

by the opposition.

Nothing to do

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with the performance now.

You asked

why nobody else had followed it.

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When you are trapped in the system

you have got it is difficult to

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change to a new system. There is

this issue of serenity, people's

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peace of mind. It is measured in

terms of fairness by the

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Commonwealth fund in America, who

put the NHS top. On the cancer

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survival rates, there are all sorts

of issues about whether people

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report early. Let me give you

instant mortality. The infant

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mortality in America is about where

Britain was before the NHS was

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created. 26 deaths for every 100,000

births.

I don't think anybody would

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say the American system is the envy

of the world. It's probably a good

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idea not to follow it at all.

Absolutely.

Would these figures not

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be better if we spend more, if we

were closer to the European average

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of spending?

Possibly. I'm not fully

opposed to putting more money in the

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NHS, but certainly not under the

system it has no. You mentioned

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Sweden. Sweden has not copied the

NHS like-for-like. There are

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significantly more private

provisions. It is the same in

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Europe. The principle you are both

highlighted is still so very

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important. America misses out on

that. They have more market

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provisions. You don't have longer

waiting times. You're better

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survival rates. Better preventative

care. I am hearing America being

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held up as the strawman.

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held up as the strawman. Nobody

wants the American system to be

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brought to the UK. Surely we have

more to learn from Belgium,

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Switzerland, Germany or France.

There is a lot to be learned,

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especially since the NHS really is

lagging behind in Sunni areas.

But

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if we learned from Sweden and

Switzerland and other countries, and

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went to a social insurance system,

which won't happen for reasons Anna

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says, but if we did, that is not

going to improve cancer rates

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overnight.

It will improve it much

faster than under the NHS. I don't

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agree with that at all. This is not

simply an issue of funding being cut

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recently. It has been lagging for

decades.

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Why do you say it? Rig we need to

talk about it, people are dying. I

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don't think people are not talking

about it, I want to know what your

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solution is. Actually, I think our

system, at its heart, and in theory,

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is absolutely right. Alan's point is

critical. This idea, which is so

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important to Brits, you know it

doesn't matter, it will be there for

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you.

But he recognised that has been

adopted...

That is true in France as

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well. It is true in Belgium,

Holland.

That is the insurance

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model.

That is not something we

should fear monger about. Every

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single developed country in the

world apart from America gives

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universal access to health care.

Let's not fear monger about what is

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happening in Germany and Sweden,

these are not scary systems.

They

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check your insurance.

The principle

of universal access has been adopted

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by everybody, but the central

bureaucratic system has not. That is

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why they get better outcomes. Can we

not just look at these systems to

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get better care?

We can get it with

what we have got.

YouTube are great

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Europeans. You were both Remainers.

You think we have a lot to learn and

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be close to Europe. Why won't you

learn from European health systems

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that have universal access and

better outcomes than the NHS?

They

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have better funding.

Some do.

Not

all of them.

Germany and France came

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below the Commonwealth fund.

Politicians on both sides are always

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using it. It is the only one the NHS

does well on. In the Commonwealth

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fund, it measures input, not output,

not patient care. Indeed, on the

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patient care, an actual health

outcomes, even on the Commonwealth

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fund, the NHS comes tenth out of

11th. The Guardian remarked on it,

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the only serious black mark against

the NHS, in Commonwealth fund

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research, was its poor record of

keeping people alive.

America came

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11th, by the way.

Why not Germany,

Belgium!

You are saying that Trump

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has a point, are we supposed to talk

about Sweden when he said that?

Yes,

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his whole point is that the NHS is

failing, that does not make America

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any better. I am from America, I'm

not coming over saying to adopt the

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American system. As I said on the

video, I wish both countries would

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look at Switzerland. Let's stop

painting it as a black-and-white

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decision, it is not about the USA

against the NHS.

The Commonwealth

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and is the only one that measures

things like health in equality,

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fairness, how it affects the poorest

in society.

What is fair about

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thousands of European people

surviving, the fact that 30,000 more

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people in Germany every year will

survive the five most common types

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of cancer?

When you quote that, as

if the NHS was very keen for people

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to die of cancer...

Of the course

they are not.

It is people going to

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their GP, particularly men...

You

need access to the GP, shorter

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waiting times.

Please do not tell me

that you don't...

The waiting times

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in this country are appalling

compared to European counterparts.

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Depends where you live. Certain GP

surgeries like mine, I can see my GP

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if I want to, on the morning that I

ring up and can get in straightaway.

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It depends where you live.

That does

not sound like a postcode lottery is

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a fair system. He is talking about

fairness, but you are talking about

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a postcode lottery.

You made a

generalisation.

You have both talked

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about GP appointments. The European

health consumer index, done by real

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specialists, it ranks the NHS 15th

in terms of health care in the EU.

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We are around Slovakia and Portugal.

It says, in terms of same day GP

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appointments, access to specialists

or waiting for routine surgery, in

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Europe, only island does worse.

There is a real issue about access

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to GP surgeries. There is a real

issue of waiting times with surgery.

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There is an issue, 40,000 nursing

vacancies. There is an issue about

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how by 2020 it will be 6.6% of our

wealth. It is higher in every other

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European country, and below the OECD

average. They are not reasons why we

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should say...

Are they scrapping it?

A system where if people are ill,

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they get care immediately, does not

mean we should scrap that.

Wendy

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Tony Blair government was increasing

health spending in real terms, by

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about 5 billion per year, you did

begin to see real improvements

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taking place. This government has

not increased by anything like that.

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If we did fund by the European

average, with some of the figures,

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not good figures that I quoted,

would they not come better?

As I

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said, I think you can look at

increasing funding. But it is a

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secondary issue to the broken

system. Under the Tony Blair years

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we saw some improvements. Even

during those years, fortunately, the

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NHS still fell below the European

counterparts. I am open to that

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discussion. I am not being a radical

or an ideologue, but I so

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desperately wish that politicians,

sitting across from me, would be

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willing to engage on Germany,

Switzerland and France, because it

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is not just the fact...

I think we

are willing to engage.

We have run

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out of time. Thank you very much.

Good discussion. Lively! That is why

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people watch This Week.

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It's late.

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Stephen Kinnock and

Damian Green late.

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These unlikely lads have been having

a delicious Twitter spat over

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what Mr Kinnock calls his "24-hour

hunger strike" to campaign

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for proportional representation.

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They really are suckers for lost

causes in the Kinnock family.

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Mr Green, erstwhile deputy

to the Maybot and now clearly

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with time on his hands,

dismissed the protest

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as "little more than a diet".

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Probably a variant of the 5:2 diet.

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No doubt delirious from the pangs

of hunger and fearful

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that the Commons Canteen

was preparing to force feed him,

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Mr Kinnock snapped back

that he was "glad to see"

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that the unfortunate Mr Green

"was using his computer for Twitter"

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instead of anything which might have

previously got him into trouble.

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Absolutely no idea what he's

referring to there!

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Stephen Kinnock said he'd been

inspired by the suffragette

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movement, which had a big

anniversary this week.

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And we do live in an age

when a little virtue

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signalling goes a long way.

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But someone who's perhaps -

just perhaps - this is no time

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to go out on a limb -

in a better position to comment

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on equal rights, is the singer

and Celebrity Big Brother winner,

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Courtney Act who, is tonight putting

gender politics in the Spotlight.

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And, if you'd like to comment

on the Tweeter, the Fleecebook,

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and the Snapnumpty, then

be my guest.

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I'm sure someone will read them.

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Me, I'm consumed by indifference.

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I'd rather fire myself into space

in an unmanned rocket,

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with only a dummy astronaut

and a David Bowie LP

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to keep me company.

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At least I'd get a bit of peace.

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And better conversation!

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Beware three-legged poodles!

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We learned this week that

Theresa May had one as a child.

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Sadly the family pet

had gone "tri-pedal",

0:21:410:21:43

following an altercation with a car.

0:21:430:21:45

But despite a few wobbles,

the little creature adapted

0:21:450:21:47

and was apparently great.

0:21:470:21:53

Until she lost it in the wheat field

she was always illicitly running

0:21:530:21:56

through when she was

a wee scallywag.

0:21:560:21:59

Could there be a lesson

in this for the big dogs,

0:22:000:22:03

sniffing around Number

10 at the moment?

0:22:030:22:05

Despite being knocked sideways

by all and sundry as she holds

0:22:050:22:08

on grimly to the Brexit Bandwagon,

the Maybot is still standing.

0:22:080:22:12

The Tories are even four

points ahead of Labour

0:22:120:22:14

in a new poll out today.

0:22:140:22:18

A hundred years on from some women

first getting the vote,

0:22:180:22:21

politics is still a pretty bruising

business for men and women.

0:22:210:22:24

Here's the Telegraph's Kate McCann

with her round-up of the week.

0:22:240:22:27

Well, I'll say one

thing for This Week.

0:22:330:22:36

Man or woman, girl or boy, they

treat us all the same

0:22:360:22:39

- appallingly!

0:22:390:22:41

They said they'd be here hours ago

to help me with this round-up.

0:22:410:22:45

Oh, well.

0:22:450:22:46

I'd best get started.

0:22:460:22:49

The week began with a fresh salvo

over anti-Brexit bias on Whitehall.

0:23:030:23:07

Former head of the civil

service Gus O'Donnell

0:23:070:23:13

showed his own impartiality

when he compared pro-Brexit

0:23:130:23:15

ministers to snake oil salesmen.

0:23:150:23:16

He came back swinging later

in the House of Lords when he said

0:23:160:23:20

the attacks were a form of bullying.

0:23:200:23:21

Those making allegations

without supporting evidence,

0:23:210:23:24

against serving civil servants

who will not respond,

0:23:240:23:28

are undertaking a form

of bullying that, to be honest,

0:23:280:23:30

is something which actually

diminishes those making the attacks.

0:23:300:23:38

But I think, more importantly,

damages our democracy.

0:23:390:23:44

Now, any mandarins worried

about Brexit could take a leaf out

0:23:440:23:47

of David Davis's book.

0:23:470:23:48

The Brexit Secretary

turned up for the second

0:23:480:23:51

phase of talks this week,

claiming he was perfectly clear

0:23:510:23:54

about what he wants from the EU.

0:23:540:23:56

Atta boy, DD!

0:23:560:23:59

We want a comprehensive free trade

agreement, and with it,

0:23:590:24:01

a customs agreement.

0:24:010:24:04

And to make that as frictionless

as possible, to make as much trade

0:24:040:24:07

that currently exists

as free as possible.

0:24:070:24:09

While still giving ourselves

the opportunity to make free trade

0:24:090:24:11

deals with the rest of the world.

0:24:110:24:15

Unfortunately, the EU

was equally clear that DD

0:24:150:24:17

can't have it both ways.

0:24:170:24:19

Oi, you!

0:24:190:24:21

The 5-0!

0:24:210:24:24

The only thing I can say,

without a customs union,

0:24:260:24:34

outside the single market,

barriers to trade and goods,

0:24:350:24:37

and services, are unavoidable.

0:24:370:24:44

The time has come to make a choice.

0:24:440:24:52

The PM has probably done enough

to placate her pro-Brexit

0:24:530:24:56

backbenchers, at least for now.

0:24:560:24:58

And that just leaves the Remainers,

who are not going quietly.

0:24:580:25:01

This week, Anna Soubry had some

helpful advice for the PM.

0:25:010:25:05

Labour's front bench

itself is ideological.

0:25:050:25:08

My front bench probably isn't,

but it's in hock to 35 hard

0:25:080:25:12

ideological Brexiteers who are not

Tories.

0:25:120:25:16

They are not the Tory party that

I joined 40 years ago,

0:25:160:25:19

and it's about time Theresa stood up

to them and slung them out.

0:25:190:25:24

Because they have taken down Major,

they took down Cameron.

0:25:240:25:31

The PM explained she's got

a different approach to leadership

0:25:310:25:34

than some of her male predecessors.

0:25:340:25:39

Women will often have a different

approach to leadership,

0:25:390:25:41

will often have a different approach

to doing a job from a man.

0:25:410:25:47

Just because it is different,

it doesn't mean it doesn't

0:25:470:25:49

get the same results.

0:25:490:25:51

Wait a minute, she expects

the same result.

0:25:510:25:52

Oh, my Maastricht.

0:25:520:25:54

Leadership is all

about carrying the can.

0:25:540:25:58

And discredit where discredit's due,

this week Carillion bosses

0:25:580:26:00

were in front of MPs to explain

what went wrong at the

0:26:000:26:03

government contractor.

0:26:030:26:04

Where have I put my keys?

0:26:040:26:06

What is your responsibility

for this collapse?

0:26:060:26:08

Full and complete.

0:26:080:26:10

Total?

0:26:100:26:10

Total.

0:26:100:26:11

Very good.

0:26:110:26:13

There is no question

in my mind about that.

0:26:130:26:16

Not necessarily culpability,

but full responsibility.

0:26:160:26:24

Elsewhere, Stagecoach

and Virgin pulled of operating

0:26:240:26:27

the East Coast Mainline

earlier than expected.

0:26:270:26:32

And, at the same time,

the Government has awarded them

0:26:320:26:34

the contract to operate

the West Coast Mainline.

0:26:340:26:36

Labour weren't happy about it.

0:26:360:26:38

Virgin Stagecoach failed

to deliver on their contract

0:26:380:26:39

on the east coast route.

0:26:390:26:46

No problem!

0:26:460:26:47

The Government will step

in and bail them out,

0:26:470:26:52

kissing goodbye to the £2 billion

Virgin had previously agreed to pay.

0:26:520:26:55

But, guess what?

0:26:550:26:57

Let's just give both companies

a new contract to run

0:26:570:27:00

the West Coast line as well.

0:27:000:27:01

Listening to the Secretary

of State's statement, I didn't know

0:27:010:27:03

whether to laugh or cry.

0:27:030:27:10

At Prime Minister's Questions,

Jeremy Corbyn went on police cuts.

0:27:120:27:15

The PM attacked Corbyn's

economic credibility.

0:27:150:27:21

After seven years, seven years

of cuts, will the Prime Minister

0:27:210:27:24

today admit that her Government's

relentless cuts to police,

0:27:240:27:26

probation services and social

services have left us less safe?

0:27:260:27:34

The reality is, you can't have

public safety on the cheap.

0:27:350:27:41

You can only pay for our

public services if you

0:27:410:27:44

have a strong economy.

0:27:440:27:45

And what would we see

with the Labour Party?

0:27:450:27:49

Capital flight or

a run on the pound.

0:27:490:27:56

That is what Labour would do,

bankrupt Britain and the police

0:27:560:27:59

would have less money and a Labour

than under the Conservatives.

0:27:590:28:02

Something is working for her.

0:28:020:28:03

The latest YouGov poll

shows the Tories four

0:28:030:28:05

points ahead of Labour,

despite a tricky couple of weeks.

0:28:050:28:07

Never mind, Jeremy.

0:28:070:28:08

Gerry Adams thinks

you would be a good PM.

0:28:080:28:10

Put that on your posters!

0:28:100:28:13

I would like to see Jeremy in that

position, for the benefit

0:28:130:28:17

of people in Britain,

leaving Ireland out of it.

0:28:170:28:19

I think Jeremy is an

outstanding politician.

0:28:190:28:20

I hope my endorsement of him isn't

used against him in the time ahead.

0:28:200:28:27

You know what?

0:28:270:28:32

We've come so far.

0:28:320:28:33

The vote, and, 100

years on, equal pay.

0:28:330:28:35

Well, not actually equal, legally.

0:28:350:28:36

Harassment free workplaces?

0:28:360:28:38

Hmm.

0:28:380:28:40

A woman's work is never done.

0:28:400:28:48

And that was Kate in black and

white. Here she is in colour.

0:28:550:28:59

Welcome. Alan, where the Tories four

points ahead in this latest opinion

0:28:590:29:07

poll?

A very good question. I don't

know but I saw this focus group

0:29:070:29:16

response about, who would you trust

to look after your house if you were

0:29:160:29:19

away? People went overwhelmingly for

Theresa May. Who would you have look

0:29:190:29:24

after your pets? Jeremy Corbyn.

There is a message there that the

0:29:240:29:31

compassion side isn't getting

through to the hard-headed if you

0:29:310:29:34

want to run the country. We should

be storming it and we are not. This

0:29:340:29:40

is a message for those people losing

to think we won the last election.

0:29:400:29:44

Add to that the fact sectarian

politics are coming back. Momentum

0:29:440:29:49

are taking over the NEC. They are

taking over all the levers of power.

0:29:490:29:54

For those of us who remember, this

smacks very much like the early 80s.

0:29:540:30:02

And that intolerance, that

divisiveness, we have seen it in

0:30:020:30:04

Haringey Council and all of that, I

don't think it does is any good.

0:30:040:30:08

Neither should it.

What does he know

that he is not telling us?

He has

0:30:080:30:14

just said it. He is more subtle than

I am. The problem is Jeremy Corbyn.

0:30:140:30:21

Is that right?

I'm reluctant to say

because of what happened at the last

0:30:210:30:27

election. That was good. We have

hoovered the votes on the left. The

0:30:270:30:33

Greens have hollowed out. Respect

have disappeared. They won a

0:30:330:30:37

by-election not so long ago. We have

even got the SWP walking about with

0:30:370:30:41

banners. Saying back Corbyn. The day

when the Trotskyites are saying back

0:30:410:30:52

the leader of the Labour Party, you

know you are in trouble. He has the

0:30:520:30:55

votes on the left. Is there the

capacity to win over the people who

0:30:550:30:58

voted Tory last time? No. It is

difficult to imagine.

Is Mrs May

0:30:580:31:05

doing better than the Westminster

bubble thinks?

I think so. Anna and

0:31:050:31:11

I were talking about it. It is

probably because Theresa May is

0:31:110:31:15

confident talking about women's

issues, things like the suffragettes

0:31:150:31:19

and getting women into Parliament.

She didn't really good speech in

0:31:190:31:22

Manchester this week were to give

some insight into her own feelings

0:31:220:31:26

about being a woman, being a leader.

When she said, you don't have to

0:31:260:31:30

behave like a man to get on, I think

for her to show that side, that

0:31:300:31:37

compassion, that personality, that

is really positive for her. She

0:31:370:31:41

clearly felt confident doing it.

She

has a great track record.

You call

0:31:410:31:47

the Mrs May to stand up to 35

hardline Brexiteers and sling them

0:31:470:31:52

out. How would that work?

She has to

stand up to these people. Had used

0:31:520:31:58

Lingen held? She has got to put them

absolutely in their place. -- how do

0:31:580:32:06

you sling them out?

You said sling

them out, there's -- they were your

0:32:060:32:13

words.

I'm deeply frustrated. I

joined the party 40 years ago where

0:32:130:32:19

I was fighting these people. They

brought down to leaders of my party

0:32:190:32:24

and they have not been sorted out.

You rejoined the Tory party when

0:32:240:32:30

Iain Duncan Smith was later.

And he

was slung out.

He was hardly your

0:32:300:32:36

kind of progressive Tory.

Hang on, I

joined the Tory party because he did

0:32:360:32:42

not represent the majority of

Conservative voters. That is why he

0:32:420:32:46

was removed as leader. He didn't do

that and he didn't do a very good

0:32:460:32:50

job. My one nation conservatism is

40 years old. And actually, quite

0:32:500:32:58

interestingly, it's exactly the same

conservatism of my parents who met

0:32:580:33:02

in the Young Conservatives.

But you

left the Tory party?

I did.

Uber

0:33:020:33:08

going to join the social Democrats.

I wasn't, actually.

You wrote a

0:33:080:33:15

letter to the Times.

My name was on

it. But I never actually...

Are you

0:33:150:33:22

telling us tonight now that you

don't think Mrs May should sling out

0:33:220:33:29

these Brexiteers?

I'm using that as

an absolute metaphor for sorting of

0:33:290:33:35

this party in the state it is in.

For decades there has been a group

0:33:350:33:40

of people, in my opinion they are

not true conservatives, who have put

0:33:400:33:43

forward their very narrow view on

Europe at all costs. I don't think

0:33:430:33:50

to reset appreciates that if they

don't get what they want, nobody, no

0:33:500:33:54

party will stand in the way of their

hard Brexit. They are ruthless macro

0:33:540:34:01

-- they're ruthless. They're

organised.

But he wouldn't sling

0:34:010:34:05

them out?

I don't want these people

to be doing the harm they have done

0:34:050:34:12

to the Conservative Party.

The Prime

Minister took the Tory whip away

0:34:120:34:15

from them, the government would

fall, wouldn't it?

If it comes to

0:34:150:34:20

it, and it will come to it,

something is going to happen. At the

0:34:200:34:26

moment to reset thinks she can keep

us together. To reset thinks she can

0:34:260:34:31

build a compromise. I admire her for

ambition. I think you underestimate

0:34:310:34:37

these people because when it comes

to the crunch could they don't get

0:34:370:34:40

what they want, they will vote her

down and they will remove her.

If

0:34:400:34:46

she did sling them out, she would

lose out as well. The government

0:34:460:34:48

would fall, wouldn't it?

Yes, it

would.

Not on Brexit. Do forgive me.

0:34:480:34:59

No, I think it is time for Kate.

I

think the problem you're underlining

0:34:590:35:04

here is that there will come a

point, and we are quickly reaching

0:35:040:35:08

it, were Conservatives feel that

Brexit is more important than their

0:35:080:35:12

party. That is on both sides. Anna's

site and Jacob Rees-Mogg's side.

0:35:120:35:19

When that happens, Theresa May faces

a real problem. When the party is no

0:35:190:35:24

longer the most important thing to

people in it, that is when you see a

0:35:240:35:27

split. That is coming. Both sides of

the argument have their right to say

0:35:270:35:36

because, of course, when the Brexit

vote happened, nobody is set out

0:35:360:35:40

what the picture was going to be

like when we left. Both sides are

0:35:400:35:44

vying to determine what that is.

The

big differences -- differences that

0:35:440:35:48

I am a pragmatic Tory so I will

always compromise. These people

0:35:480:35:54

want. They will use any tactic

available to them to quash the

0:35:540:35:58

argument and get what they want.

If

it comes to a vote on the eventual

0:35:580:36:03

deal that is done on Brexit, will

you still vote for it even if it

0:36:030:36:09

doesn't include being in the Customs

Union?

I could do that, if it is in

0:36:090:36:13

the round and delivers a good deal.

This is a mark of my pragmatism. It

0:36:130:36:20

depends what else it had with it. To

be honest, it is difficult to

0:36:200:36:25

imagine, especially after these

figures, first of all how Theresa

0:36:250:36:29

May is going to get these magic

deals. But secondly, it's difficult

0:36:290:36:33

to believe how getting membership of

the single market, getting

0:36:330:36:39

membership of the Customs Union, not

getting that will have the benefits

0:36:390:36:41

to our economy.

I understand that.

It is interesting that you may still

0:36:410:36:47

vote for that. Is it not

remarkable... Is not remarkable,

0:36:470:36:58

Alan, that 19 months after the

referendum, almost a year since

0:36:580:37:02

Article 50 was triggered, with only

nine months of negotiations left,

0:37:020:37:06

this Tory government still hasn't

agreed its position?

It is quite

0:37:060:37:14

amazing. You can see some kind of

logic. I read DfT last week saying

0:37:140:37:18

that of course we are now heading

for a soft Brexit. I read Ian Martin

0:37:180:37:24

today saying we're heading for a

hard Brexit. She is trying to keep

0:37:240:37:28

those views in play. She is either a

genius, which I doubt, in smoothing

0:37:280:37:35

over this. She has a tough job, to

be fair. But that is the frustration

0:37:350:37:39

of the Europeans. They still don't

know what we want.

Allen, being a

0:37:390:37:47

benign chap, has raised the

possibility she is a genius. I would

0:37:470:37:50

raise a more likely probability that

she is just taking indecision to new

0:37:500:37:56

heights.

I think that is more

likely. The problem is when you have

0:37:560:38:02

a vacuum of that magnitude it is

going to be filled. It is being sold

0:38:020:38:08

on both sides of the argument.

In

her defence, I know what she wants

0:38:080:38:14

to do is keep us together. I think

that is impossible.

What is more

0:38:140:38:18

likely? 35 Brexiteers being slung

out of the Tory party, or are you

0:38:180:38:26

defecting to the Lib Dems?

Now you

are being a silly Billy X not going

0:38:260:38:34

to the Lib Dems.

You heard it there

first.

What about Labour?

Yeah, I'm

0:38:340:38:41

really going to join Jeremy Corbyn,

aren't I?!

0:38:410:38:47

So happy birthday women's suffrage.

0:38:470:38:49

It was a hundred years

ago, this week in 1918,

0:38:490:38:51

that the Representation

of the People Act was passed.

0:38:510:38:54

This rather grudging piece

of legislation first granted

0:38:540:38:56

women the right to vote -

but only if they were over 30,

0:38:560:38:59

and only if they owned property.

0:38:590:39:01

The act also gave over five million

working class men the vote as well,

0:39:010:39:05

though we've heard very little

about that, even though

0:39:050:39:07

it was almost as significant

in its own way.

0:39:070:39:10

These were the folks who'd been sent

to the trenches in 1914,

0:39:100:39:13

by a government they'd played no

part in choosing.

0:39:130:39:17

Never again.

0:39:170:39:20

Over the past 100 years,

the world has changed more

0:39:200:39:23

than in the previous 1,000 years,

nearly always for the better.

0:39:230:39:26

We've flown to the moon,

created the inter web,

0:39:260:39:28

mapped our genome, defeated fascism

and communism, seen the spread

0:39:280:39:31

of democracy and taken hundred

of millions out of abject poverty.

0:39:310:39:36

Yet proper gender equality

still seems to elude us.

0:39:360:39:41

If you doubt that, look

at the under-representation

0:39:410:39:43

of women in the Commons,

or in FTSE 100 boardrooms.

0:39:430:39:49

Look at the unequal pay scales,

or the soft porn that

0:39:490:39:51

passes for pop videos.

0:39:510:39:53

Look at Harvey Weinstein.

0:39:530:39:55

So, tonight, we're putting gender

politics in the Spotlight.

0:39:550:40:02

Women fought hard for voting rights.

0:40:110:40:15

Some people had the most

ghastly treatment.

0:40:150:40:19

But a century on, the battle

for gender equality still rages.

0:40:190:40:22

We do not yet have equality.

0:40:220:40:24

We are a long way from equal power.

0:40:240:40:27

The fight for equality never ends.

0:40:270:40:28

It is just beginning

for a female Tesco workers.

0:40:280:40:33

Our job is of equal value

to the job the men do

0:40:330:40:36

in the distribution centres.

0:40:360:40:39

I think the similarities are such

that we should be paid the same.

0:40:390:40:46

But do equal rights eradicate gender

differences altogether?

0:40:460:40:48

Women often bring a different

approach to politics than do men.

0:40:480:40:53

Does that different approach

include mansplaining?

0:40:530:40:54

It's so useful to be corrected

by a helpful gentleman here.

0:40:540:40:57

How about a bit of good

old confrontation?

0:40:570:41:00

While I've got you here,

John, can I just ask,

0:41:000:41:03

have you apologised to Carrie Gracie

for the remarks you made

0:41:030:41:06

about her stance on equal pay?

0:41:060:41:09

I wrote her an e-mail immediately

after that exchange, yes I did,

0:41:090:41:12

as a matter of fact.

0:41:120:41:13

I'm very glad to hear that.

0:41:130:41:15

Quite what this has to do

with what we are discussing

0:41:150:41:18

here, I fail to see.

0:41:180:41:19

But there we are.

0:41:190:41:21

Superman gave a masterclass

in mansplaining this week.

0:41:210:41:24

Maternal love is the love

that's going to change

0:41:240:41:26

the future of mankind.

0:41:260:41:30

We like to say peoplekind,

not necessarily mankind.

0:41:300:41:33

It's more inclusive.

0:41:330:41:34

There we go, exactly!

0:41:340:41:36

Well JT, I'm afraid that

probably means you're not

0:41:360:41:39

going to like this news.

0:41:390:41:40

Girl power is back.

0:41:400:41:47

Courtney Act is the Spice

Girls' number one fan.

0:41:470:41:50

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Courtney!

0:41:500:41:53

So is gender a useful

dividing line in politics?

0:41:530:42:01

Courtney is here. Welcome.

Thanks

for having me. Are we getting to

0:42:050:42:11

honk up on gender politics? It can

be fairly -- very polarising. I

0:42:110:42:17

think the conversation needs to be

had because it is easy to say we are

0:42:170:42:21

to honk up and stop the evolution.

There is still a lot of stuff that

0:42:210:42:25

needs to be looked at. I sometimes

wear there is yelling too loudly

0:42:250:42:30

from opposite sides of the room to

move forward.

It is getting

0:42:300:42:36

complicated. You identify yourself

as gender queer, have I got that

0:42:360:42:41

right?

Yeah.

Have I got that right?

Yeah. I grew up confused about how I

0:42:410:42:49

fit into the world as a male bodied

person who by day wasn't all that

0:42:490:42:55

masculine. I grew up in Australia.

These masculine ideals and feminine

0:42:550:43:00

ideals that were sort of thrust upon

us. I never really felt like I was

0:43:000:43:06

masculine enough. I do drag. I would

sort of be able by day and I felt

0:43:060:43:14

like I didn't fit in. I wasn't quite

right. All through my 20s I

0:43:140:43:19

struggled. A few years ago I had --

heard gender queer being bandied

0:43:190:43:24

around. I realised there was a place

where my phone amended -- femininity

0:43:240:43:29

and masculinity could be celebrated.

That doesn't just mean dressing as a

0:43:290:43:35

woman or a man. As a boy, expressing

my feminine side. I used to feel

0:43:350:43:40

comfortable wearing the colour pink

as a boy. To me, this socialised

0:43:400:43:46

idea of men and woman really

impacted me, even though I'm

0:43:460:43:51

probably a lot further left than

most people.

You said we have made

0:43:510:43:55

progress, that is clear. But it

still seems a struggle. We make

0:43:550:44:01

progress in some areas but then we

seem to go backwards or hit a brick

0:44:010:44:06

wall in others. Why is it such a

struggle?

I think the issue comes in

0:44:060:44:12

the style of argument. When people

are having a conversation they are

0:44:120:44:18

not listening, they are not

listening to other people's

0:44:180:44:23

experiences enough. They are quick

to say, this is my experience. That

0:44:230:44:27

must be what everybody's

experiences. And not just that, but

0:44:270:44:33

I think people get passionate about

things, which is good. But when they

0:44:330:44:36

get passionate they stopped the give

and take and flow of the

0:44:360:44:40

conversation.

Because you feel so

strongly about it you don't listen

0:44:400:44:44

to the other side?

Year. And not

just on gender but in politics.

Is

0:44:440:44:51

it a case of two steps forward, one

step back?

0:44:510:44:57

Having grown up in an age where

women were treated badly, to be gay

0:44:570:45:04

was to be chemically castrated by

the state, these changes, in your

0:45:040:45:09

lifetime as well, they have been

remarkable. Why is it so difficult?

0:45:090:45:13

Because women were not supposed to

be in the workplace at the time I

0:45:130:45:17

was born. Trade unions used to

object to women.

Really? In the old

0:45:170:45:22

days, the TUC was male dominated.

Now they have a female general

0:45:220:45:27

secretary.

It took a long time.

Are

you optimistic?

I worry, this

0:45:270:45:36

wretched dining club thing that

happened the other week really

0:45:360:45:38

shocked me. 2018 and women, young

women, were still be used as bait

0:45:380:45:45

for old and powerful men. I am the

mother of two daughters, and I think

0:45:450:45:49

they are pretty strong cookies, I

think that generation has got some

0:45:490:45:55

of the better attitudes. But I still

worry about what young women really

0:45:550:45:59

are. I worry about how to many of

them are still self harming, too

0:45:590:46:04

many of them have problems with

food. We see a rise in issues with

0:46:040:46:14

body image and self-confidence. That

worries me. I think we have to get

0:46:140:46:17

that stuff right.

You are going to

work, is that right? Where are you

0:46:170:46:26

going?

Tonight? I am going to a club

and dancing around on stage,

0:46:260:46:31

performing.

We thought we worked

late! This is early for you? We are

0:46:310:46:37

glad you found time for us. It has

been great to see you and listen to

0:46:370:46:41

you.

0:46:410:46:42

That's your lot tonight.

But not for us.

0:46:420:46:44

Inspired by Donald Trump's plans

to imitate President Macron's

0:46:440:46:47

Bastille Day military parade,

we're upstaging both with our very

0:46:470:46:49

own This Week parade.

0:46:490:46:53

A dozen red, white and blue

Sinclair C5s are revved up

0:46:530:46:55

and raring to go outside the studio.

0:46:550:46:57

Choc-full of Blue Nun

and parked on double-yellows.

0:46:570:47:00

That's how cavalier we are.

0:47:000:47:03

Biggles Soubry is taking

to the skies over Westminster

0:47:030:47:05

to perform, once again,

her famous loop de loop

0:47:050:47:07

in the Newsnight microlite.

0:47:070:47:12

While Corporal Johnson is leading

the Dagenham Girl Pipers down

0:47:120:47:15

Whitehall, in a rousing rendition

of Things Can Only Get Better.

0:47:150:47:23

Remember that?

0:47:230:47:24

We've hidden his guitar,

but I hear he's nicked

0:47:240:47:27

some spoons from the BBC

canteen so he can play along.

0:47:270:47:29

Anyway, we're off and we're

not stopping till we

0:47:290:47:31

make it to Loulou's.

0:47:310:47:32

Nighty-night.

0:47:320:47:33

Don't let the shenanigans

of the Irish Parliament bite.

0:47:330:47:35

One minute!

Order!

0:47:520:48:00

ALL SHOUT AT ONCE

0:48:030:48:08

That's outrageous!

0:48:080:48:14

ALL SHOUT AT ONCE

0:48:140:48:22

I'm going to move on. Control

yourself! Control yourself!

0:48:260:48:36

Deputies, I will take action.

0:48:360:48:44

You all so in violation of

regulations. I suspend the house!

0:48:450:48:58

You will not speak to the chair like

that!

I can speak to anybody...

I

0:48:580:49:04

suspend the house for five minutes.

0:49:040:49:10

Andrew Neil reviews the political week with Alan Johnson and Anna Soubry, with a film rounding up the headlines from Kate McCann.

The studio guests are Kate Andrews talking about President Trump and the NHS, while Courtney Act discuss gender in the Spotlight section.