14/01/2016 Thursday in Parliament


14/01/2016

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Hello and welcome to Thursd`y in Parliament, our look at the best

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of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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A cabinet minister lays his Eurosceptic cards on the table,

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It is the most mealy-mouthed, myth-peddling, facing both ways

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piece of journalism that has ever come from

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Peers voice their latest concerns for the future

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The future of our NHS is in peril by this change of attitude.

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MPs explore the final fronther and weigh up the prospects

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Please be imaginative and enable this industry across the entire UK,

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so that it can live long and prosperous.

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With the referendum on Brit`in's continued EU membership edghng ever

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closer, the Leader of the Commons Chris Grayling has

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effectively become the first cabinet minister to indicate he will be

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Mr Grayling wrote in the Daily Telegraph that it would be

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"disastrous" for the UK to stay in the EU under the current

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The article appeared on the day of Mr Grayling's regular appearance

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in the Commons, to talk abott future parliamentary business.

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His opposite number Chris Bryant noted Mr Grayling's contribttion

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He said he believed Ministers should always fight for what

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And last week I suggested it was time the Leader of the House

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There is a vacancy, they want a leader.

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Surely the time has come, cometh of the hour, cometh the man,

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come on down, the new Leader of the House.

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He turned to Mr Grayling's newspaper article.

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I was hoping for a fool argtment from the Leader of the Housd.

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It's the most mealy-mouthed, myth-

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journalism that has ever come from his pen.

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Because thou art lukewarm, neither cold or hot,

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He's pretending he supports the Prime Minister's

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renegotiation strategy when he is really desperate to burst

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the barricades under the banner of English nationalism.

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Apparently the Buisness Secretary is going to pretend he is in favour

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of leaving the EU, so as to bolster the prospect of his favourite

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candidate for leader, the Chancellor.

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It is not about the leadership prospects of Tory ministers.

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It is about our standing as a nation and the most

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important decision the country will make in this generation.

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He says it will be disastrous for us to stay

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in, I say it will be disastrous for us to leave.

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Mr Grayling declined to talk about Europe.

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Today we have heard another seven minute rhetorical

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flourish from the Honourabld member with his usual wit.

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But, Mr Speaker, what on earth does he think he is doing?

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He represents Her Majesty's loyal opposition.

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Last week, on the day that North Korea said they had a hydrogen

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bomb, he was joined at thes Shadow Cabinet table by a Shadow

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Defence Secretary who believes we should unilaterally

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So it is all very well him coming here on a Thursday morning

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Given the disgraceful turn of events in the

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Labour Party, what on earth is he still doing here?

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There are many reports in the media today that a mini beast has spoken

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Has the leader considered m`king time available for his owne mini

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personal statement in which she could update

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of his constituents who work in the EU,

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whose children aspire to sttdy in the EU, have homes in thd EU

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or want to retire in the EU countries or are EU citizens,

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on the effects of brexit on their ambitions or opportunities?

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The only many thing I am aw`re of all the Liberal Democrats who have

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been reduced from 50s to eight in the last few months. Followhng my

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contribution to the debate, can we right honourable friend's

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contribution to the debate, can we have a more widespread debate in

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this house on the merits of leaving and remaining in the Europe`n Union.

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In that debate we will see the only real arguments are scaremongering

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arguments. In that debate wd will also see that those who are most

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enthusiastic for our membership by these same people who are the most

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enthusiastic for this country joining the euro, including the

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to be very reticent about hhs past shadow Leader of the House. He

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to be very reticent about hhs past enthusiasm for joining the duro

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That is certainly true. What I would say to my honourable friend, he

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makes his point with his articulate and strong views. He is right about

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the debate that lies ahead. There will be extensive discussions in

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this house and around the country. We as politicians and the ptblic as

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a whole will decide the futtre of the country. You wait decadds for a

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nasty, brutal, interparty Chvil War come along and to come at once.

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Listen to his mild manner Honourable friend Lum bass touring the

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Minister. We may be pooled out Europe against

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us. We need a statement on this issue. It is popcorn time for us as

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we watch both the UK parties knock lumps out of each other

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lumps out of themselves. lumps out of themselves.

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The future of the National Health Service is in peril

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because of changes of attittdes to the service by Government,

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the view of the fertility expert and Labour peer Robert Winston.

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During the latest debate in the Lords on the state

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of the NHS, Lord Winston sahd there was now an inflexible

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culture in the health service with young doctors prevented

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from gaining broad experience and from having extra trainhng.

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I congratulate the current Secretary of State.

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He has certainly united somd of the most diligent,

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the most altruistic, most committed workforce,

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and the most intelligent and well trained workforce in the cotntry.

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They have gone on strike allost unanimously, and the fact

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of the matter is, these atthtudes, which are being pushed

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onto the doctors, are ultim`tely extraordinarily destructive,

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and the Government has a major responsibility for that,

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because the future of our NHS is imperilled by this

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The great advance will be if we can keep the NHS together for another

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couple of years, and the noble Lord, Lord Winston, is quite right,

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it is being preserved at thd present time by an extraordinary amount

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of dedication and commitment by its own staff, badly paid,

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inadequately recognised, and we owe them a very great deal

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But we simply cannot continte as if we don't have to addrdss this

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central issue of steady, consistent inadequate funding,

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The Treasury have now chosen public health as the one area in the whole

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of the health field where spending is being reduced, and that H think

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My Lords, there is a vast amount to do.

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What we do now has implicathons for years to come.

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I believe the Royal commisshon has the potential to provide a proper

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basis for facing the financhal challenges and also the potdntial

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Maybe a Royal commission is the way forward.

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Maybe something smaller, independent of public consultation,

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could lead the way, and I c`n think of no place better

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lordship's House, which is full of expertise and common sense

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and vision to lead the way hn order to make it possible to engage

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To look at the possibility on both sides of the House.

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My lords, before this decadd, successive governments provhded

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the NHS with a real terms annual increase averaging 3-4%.

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It is virtually impossible, I suggest, to retain a good

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quality Labour force, meet rising demand, improve quality

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and redesign service delivery on a 1% annual real terms

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increase by whole decade, ending up with 7% of GDP, roughly,

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By 2020, the combined health and care system now faces a funding

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gap, I would suggest, of some ?35 billion a year,

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with the 2015 spending revidw closing that gap on the most

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favourable interpretations by about ?10 billion.

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I have in many previous deb`tes suggested that every user of the NHS

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be given an annual return on what they used it for and how

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People have to be made award that if they miss an appointment,

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it actually costs money, and whatever they have,

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actually, somebody is grateful.

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But they ought to be made aware that there is a cost to each thing

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My Lords, what is the point of growing our economy if wd don't

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spend the money on the things most of the population

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Given what we know about rising demand, it makes no sense at all.

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The consequences of the Govdrnment's failure to address this verx serious

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and completely contrary to what it says it wants according

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New technologies will be unaffordable.

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Services will not be able to address our health inequ`lities,

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The silly thing is that nobody really believes in the abilhty

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of the system to fill the g`p through efficiency savings

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and new models of working, desirable though they may bd.

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Can we make the existing system more efficient?

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We have some of the best hospitals, some of the best wards,

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the best clinics, the best laboratories and the best

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Our problem is that there is so much variation across the system.

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There is clinical variation, staffing variation, propertx

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utilisation variation, procurement variation,

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pharmacy and medicines usagd variation, back-office

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The latest debate on the state of the NHS.

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Now a report from a group of MPs has said transgender people facd

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discrimination on a daily b`sis and have "a long way to go"

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In the Commons, the equalithes minister was pressed over

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Will she recognise the huge amount of online bullying being directed

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towards the trans community, leading to high levels of mdntal

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health issues in that community and high levels of suicides as well,

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and ensure this is tackled when she is reviewing

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of the select committee, and I do warmly welcome the very

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important, and I think landmark report, that is

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It has highlighted lots of action is needed to be

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He is absolutely right to mdntion, I have already mentioned issues

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about social media, on onlinebullying, the effect that

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has on mental health, and the ability for members

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of the trans community to take part in life,

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What I think we need to do now is look at all the action t`ken

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on online abuse, and work ott how we can make sure it is also

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accessible to members of the trans community.

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Questioning then turn to online abuse in general and revengd porn in

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particular. that what is illegal

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off-line is illegal online. We have criminalised this abhorrent

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Act and the revenge porn helpline It is there to support anyone

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affected regardless of genddr, No-one should have to suffer

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from this repulsive crime, and we will make sure

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that we continue to Will the helpline and other measures

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help more victims come forw`rd, and help to take down the vholent

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and abusive content, and indeed prosecute and take down

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the violent and abusive offdnders? My Honourable Friend

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is absolutely right, it is obviously important that those

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who are victims get the right through education and awareness

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that this is a crime and it The Internet can be a huge force

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for good, but it can also bd a platform for abuse

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and intimidation, so staff not only monitor their helpline and provide

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help and support, but they have also been very successful in havhng

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content quickly were moved removed from the Internet and worked

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directly with social media Does the Minister recognise the need

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to raise awareness about people s rights and the new offence tnder

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the criminal Justice Act 2005 rights and the new offence tnder

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the Criminal Justice Act 2005 which aims to tackle

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the increasing amount of revenge Well, I entirely agree

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with the Honourable Gentlem`n that this is an offence that

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people are more aware of, but sadly that means

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there are more cases of it, and that's why we have crimhnalised

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it, why we have put in placd the helpline to offer support,

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but of course we have to go further and make it clear that this is not

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an acceptable way for peopld to behave, and also to give guidance

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to those who might potentially become victims, to think very

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carefully about images that they share and how

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they could then be abused. What conversations has she had

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with social media providers with regard to misogynistic

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online abuse, and will Well, I and other ministers,

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including the Member for Wantage, the DCMS Minister, speak to social

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media providers all the timd about these sorts of issues,

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and I welcome the statement from a Twitter director recdntly,

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saying that they thought they were doing better

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about dealing with trolls, I think they recognised

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they needed to do more. Mr Speaker, can I ask

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the Secretary of State, what evidence is there of ilproved

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data collection so that we know And what evidence is there that

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police officers up and down the country are receiving

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appropriate training so thex know how to identify and deal

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with the perpetrators of thhs abuse? Well, I would have to come back

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to the Honourable Gentleman, which I'm very happy

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to do, about the issues I suspect that some organis`tions

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are better than others, and I mentioned the revenge porn

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helpline, which clearly is monitoring and keeping d`ta,

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to evaluate one year But I have also already said that

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what is illegal offline is hllegal clear to police forces up and down

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the country, and we continud Does my Right Honourable Frhend

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agree that the increasing dhgital world we live then makes it

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absolutely vital to help chhldren, parents and carers be able to tackle

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and deal with this vile onlhne abuse I thank my Honourable Friend very

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much indeed, she is absolutdly right, of course it is much better

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to educate young people agahnst any of this in the first place to make

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sure they are robust and resilient if they do come across unwanted

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images or cyber bullying, and of course she is right

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to mention parents and of course she is right to

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mention parents and carers `s well. There are a range of websitds

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and organisations that help parents know how to discuss these

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issues with children, and we have also invested,

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the Government and qualities office and the Home Office,

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?3.5 million in a new phase of our This Is Abuse campaign,

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which tackles abuse within teenage relationships and will be

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launched later this year. You're watching our round-up

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of the day in the Commons MPs talk up the prospects

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for a booming UK space industry In his budget in July,

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the Chancellor, George Osborne, announced plans to replace

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maintenance grants for the poorer The change has now been approved

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by a decision taken But several Labour MPs complained

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that there should have been a vote First, the shadow leader

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of the Commons said Let me be absolutely clear, this

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should not be secondary leghslation. This is a major change

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and will deprive around half a million of England's poorest

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students of maintenance grants, The deputy leader is talking

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a whole load of guff. If she doesn't know the rulds

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of this House, she should Forcing them to graduate

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with debts of up to ?53,000 for a three-year cotrse

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rather than ?40,500 at presdnt. Given that the abolition of student

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grants will hit half a millhon university students from thd poorest

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backgrounds, can the leader of the House explain why

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this isn't being debated Because the people

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in my constituency certainly did not vote

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for the people on the opposhte benches, and their democracx

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is being assaulted. Well, Mr Speaker, this

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is via the normal route, it will not pass without a vote

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of the whole House, it will be debated again in this House,

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which is more than just this room,Mr Mr Speaker, and of course,

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the Labour Party, as I have just announced, has a number

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of opposition days come up. If this is a significant

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in issue, then I would suggest to her that she encourages

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her front bench colleagues to bring it to the floor of this House

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if they choose to do so. Opposition also came from a former

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president of the National Union Of Students.

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What message does the leader of the House believe

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he is sending to young people watching our proceedings today,

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when a Government elected with a majority

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of just 12 on a minority sh`re of the vote and with no manhfesto

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commitment can abolish studdnt grants that hit the poorest

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studentsthe hardest, and in a committee that

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most of our constituents will never have heard of?

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Well, Mr Speaker, I simply say that this is a matter

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that will be voted on by thhs House, and if it is for the House to vote

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against it, that is what will happen.

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It will sit on the floor of this House, it will be divisible

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on the floor of this House, and if members want to vote

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MPs have boldly gone where they ve very rarely gone before,

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A timely debate as it came ` matter of hours before Major Tim Pdake

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becomes the first-ever Brithsh astronaut to do a spacewalk.

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a month ago and is due to c`rry out on the international space station

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His stint in space comes as the competition continues to find

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a location to be a UK Space Port to help develop a British

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In the Commons, the debate on space started with a surprise message

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beamed to the House from Captain Kirk

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And I therefore have a mess`ge to the House of Commons frol William

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"Space is one of the last-known frontiers.

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"Mostly untouched by mankind in his politics.

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"In opening a debate on this subject, it is my hope is that

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"you take the tenets of Star Trek's prime directive to universally

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"and peacefully share in the exploration of it.

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To us in this country, we think space is for other people,

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it's for the big boys, North America, Russia,

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And that's something we have to change,

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we need to believe what we can do, and I think Major Tim Peake's

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We see the interest of schoolchildren -

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the Science Museum was packdd on the day of the launch,

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with members in this place watching it live on a screen.

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And we hope that that's going to lead to an

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interest in these subjects and an absolute belief in the space

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She said Prestwick in her constituency had many advantages to

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become Britain's new spaceport. I would just like to say in closing,

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Prestwick was Scotland's first-ever passenger airport,

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and it was actually founded by Group Captain David McIntyre

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the first man to fly This is the kind of imagination

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and drive that we need, so I call on the Minister

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to please be imaginative, enable this industry

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across the entire UK so that it can The other main contender to be a

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spaceport is Newquay in the south-west of England.

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I just want to put on record and make members aware that Cornwall

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Newquay has a runway that c`n takethe very fastest and thd largest

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Formerly the home of an RAF base, it Newquay is an ideal location

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A Labour MP said a British space industry would bring many bdnefits.

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The value created by this bx this industry grows the economy,

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and increases tax revenues, thereby helping to fund public

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services, and research carrhed out in the space industry has positive

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applications back here on e`rth whether it's things like satellite

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technology, addressing food crops, whether it's experimenting

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with materials and how they can react, and major Tim Peake himself,

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whilst on the International Space Station, is carrying out experiments

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to measure pressure in the brain, which could have important future

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The value of the space industry in the UK has

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gone from 6.5 billion pounds in 2007 up to ?11.8 billion

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The potential to double again is there.

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With Tim Peake's recent mission sure to rekindle interest

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in the space industry, this is a trend sure to continue.

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Tim's iconic voyage into space, living and

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working on the International Space Station, is beamed into our lives,

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and this is fascinating - tweet by tweet, he has paid tribute

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to David Bowie's Starman, and he sent us his extraordhnary

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aerial views of the planet alongside space-suit selfies.

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It really gives a feeling of life there on the space station,

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as well as these iconic views and iconic visions.

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And he raises our aspirations to the

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Let's make the most of this chance to spark young people's

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interest in the career of the future.

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The Minister recalled the words of President Kennedy more than 50 years

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ago. America was embarked

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upon a mission of internationalism, and two ydars

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later, in his Apollo speech, asother members have referenced

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andannounced that America chooses to go to the moon not

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because it was easy but because it was hard,

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and did so in a spirit of internationalism and a spirit

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of appeal to the best It is a beautiful thing,

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I think, that every minute, every hour, every d`y

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in space, is left on the moon and inscription that

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says, "Mankind came to the moon in a spirit

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of freedom and peace." about our society and all

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we want to achieve, and it is for those reasons,

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I think, that the Prime Minhster asked that we harness

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the inspirational power of major Tim Peake's lission

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to inspire the next generathon of scientists and engineers

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and to bring the country together. But the minister wouldn't bd drawn

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on where the UK's space port might eventually be sited -

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he said the various bids from MPs from across the country had been

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heard loud and clear. Do join me for The Week

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in Parliament, when we not only look back at the last few days

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at Westminster, but also discuss the changes being put forward

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regarding how the House of Lords deals with laws sent to thel

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by the House of Commons. Until then, from me,

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Keith Macdougall, goodbye.

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