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Hello and welcome to Thursday in Parliament, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
our look at the best of the day | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
in the Commons and the Lords. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
On this programme... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Leave the monarch out of | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
the great European debate, say Labour... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:28 | |
So I say lay off the queen and think again. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
A police investigation into the sex abuse claims made | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
against Sir Edward Heath is condemned in the House of Lords... | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
It seems as if the Wiltshire Police are allocating to themselves | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
the role not only of investigator, but also of prosecutor and judge | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
and jury, in this matter. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
And criticism of the person appointed to referee | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
the relationship between pub-owning companies and tied tenants... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
It's a crass and a complicit and a clueless appointment | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
and it needs now to be properly scrutinised by this house. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:04 | |
But first, the Leader of the Commons, Chris Grayling, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
has told MPs the next Session of Parliament will start before | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
the EU Referendum is held in June. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
The State Opening and Queen's Speech will be on Wednesday 18th May. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:17 | |
The announcement ends the mounting speculation that the new session | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
was being made to wait for the referendum campaign | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
to be completed. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Labour's Chris Bryant said having the State Opening ahead | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
of the referendum was a mistake. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Well, Mr Speaker, can I start by informing the house | 0:01:30 | 0:01:38 | |
that the State Opening of the next session of Parliament will take | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
place on Wednesday 18th May. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
Parliament is to have an extra recess in the two weeks | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
before the referendum. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
Members will wish to know that, additionally, the house will rise | 0:01:46 | 0:01:55 | |
at the conclusion of business on Wednesday 15th June and return | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
on Monday 27th June. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
But I have to say that the decision to hold the Queen's Speech | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
on 18th May is a profound mistake. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
Whatever the Government's intentions, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
they will be misconstrued. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
We have already seen that the Brexit campaign are now so desperate | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
that they are even trying to recruit members of the royal family | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
to their cause. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
So I say lay off the queen and think again. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Incidentally, I note that the leader is giving a Brexit speech today. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
We are all agog. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
Did he have to get approval for his speech | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
from the Prime Minister? | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
Or from the actual leader of the Out campaign, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
the Justice Secretary? | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
And can he guarantee that his special advisers were not | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
involved in briefing the papers on the speech and won't be | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
attending his speech, as the Cabinet Secretary has | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
explicitly instructed that special advisers may not | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
do so during office hours. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Or is the Leader of the House being forced to make this speech | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
under cover of darkness? | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
The Shadow Leader went on about the Queen's Speech. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
I have to say, I really don't quite understand what he's talking about. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
One moment he's talking about a zombie parliament, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
with nothing to do. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
Now he is complaining we are going to have a Queen's Speech in May, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
when we have another important set of measures to bring | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
forward that will help reform this country. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
The Shadow Leader asked about the speech | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
I'm going to be giving today. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
What he missed is that I've already given it, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
so he clearly wasn't paying that much attention. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
SHOUTING | 0:03:13 | 0:03:14 | |
Surprisingly enough, I'm not after his support. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:20 | |
Mr Speaker, the big issue of the day is whether her Majesty | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
is a Brexitee or not. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
I've got an elegant solution about how we try to cover this. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
We could perhaps dispatch the Prime Minister to the palace | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
to ask her indirectly. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
One purr for in. Two purrs for out. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
That way we would solve that problem. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
Yesterday, the Government were defeated... | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Order. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
I hesitate to interrupt the honourable gentleman, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
but he said what he said. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
But, for the benefit of the house, particularly for the benefit | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
of new members, can I just underlines we do not discuss | 0:03:51 | 0:03:59 | |
the views of the monarch in this chamber. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
There have occasionally been debates on matters pertaining to the royal | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
family, which I have very happily granted, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
but we do not discuss that matter. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
And I think it's better if we just leave it there. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
The Speaker, John Bercow, setting out the rules. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
A former top civil servant has made a strong attack on the | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
police inquiry into the allegations of sexual abuse that have been | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
levelled against the former Conservative Prime Minister | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Sir Edward Heath, who died ten years ago. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
Lord Armstrong, one of Sir Edward's closest advisers in Downing Street, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
called the investigation being carried out by Wiltshire Police | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
a "travesty of justice, and a prodigious waste | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
"of police time and resources". | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
His comments came at House of Lords questions. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
First, a veteran Labour peer raised the issue of whether it's right that | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
accusers of serious crimes can remain anonymous... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
My Lords, should we now not be considering the reform of the law | 0:04:48 | 0:04:58 | |
which allows someone like this man, Nick, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
who, hiding behind a wall of anonymity, makes allegations | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
of a sexual nature against reputable public figures, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:11 | |
such as Lord Bramall, the late Lord Brittan and Mr Edward Heath, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
the former Prime Minister, and others, with not a shred | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
of forensic or corroborative evidence, whatsoever. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
It is simply unjust. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:27 | |
And isn't it now time the whole issue of anonymity for the accused, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
and, in particular the defence of the falsely accused, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:37 | |
was put back on the national agenda and considered here in Parliament? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
My lords, I am sure the noble lord will accept that this | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
is a very delicate issue. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:52 | |
Making a complaint should not be discouraged. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
It is no easy thing to make a complaint about, for example, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
rape or sexual offences. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:57 | |
And the possibility that not only you are going to be cross-examined | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
and introduced in court, but also have your name emblazoned | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
on newspapers or other means of communication, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
is a considerable inhibition in making that complaint. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
And that is one of the difficult factors Parliament took into account | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
when deciding to retain anonymity. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
Armstrong. Armstrong. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
Armstrong. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
My Lords, I have stated elsewhere the reasons for my conviction that | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Sir Edward Heath was not a child abuser. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:35 | |
The allegations that have been published in the media to that | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
effect have no shred of credible corroboration. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
My lords, the Wiltshire Police are, however, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
conducting an investigation, which is forecast to last | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
for 12 months or more. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:55 | |
It involves interviewing an extensive range of Sir Edward's | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
friends, colleagues, staff and former crew members. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
And searching through 4,500 boxes of his archives. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:07 | |
I have suggested to the Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
that there can be no conclusive satisfactory outcome | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
to this investigation. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:22 | |
Even if, as seems likely, they find there is insufficient | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
evidence, to have justified a prosecution, the cloud | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
of suspicion, which has been high over Sir Edward's memory would not | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
be definitively dispelled. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
In the unlikely event that a finding comes that there is sufficient | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
evidence, that evidence could not be tested in a court of law, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
because Sir Edward is dead and cannot be prosecuted. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
It seems as if the Wiltshire Police are allocating to themselves | 0:07:47 | 0:07:55 | |
the role not only of investigator, but also a prosecutor and judge | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
and jury in this matter. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Does not the noble lord, the Minister, agree | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
that the investigation is a travesty of justice and a prodigious waste | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
of police time and resources? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
I am sure that there will be a lot of sympathy around the house | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
and elsewhere for what the noble lord says. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
We must not, of course, interfere with | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
police operational independence. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
However, the point that he eloquently makes | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
about the proportionality, in view of the death of Sir Edward, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
and the amount of the likelihood that there is any significant | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
evidence one way or another, being unearthed at this stage | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
are valuable points and I take them. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Isn't it quite clear that the present system | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
of protecting the innocent from having their names | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
plastered all over the media, that that system has broken down. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
And doesn't justice require that the Government takes a | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
fresh look at this whole issue and not just leave it to the police? | 0:08:53 | 0:09:01 | |
At the moment, as the noble lord will appreciate, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
this is a matter for the police, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
who have considered that it is only in exceptional circumstances that it | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
would be appropriate to name suspects. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
And, sometimes, it is true that by naming a suspect, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
it has provoked some people who have kept quiet about allegations, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
for fear that they will not be believed against a prominent public | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
members of the establishment, as they are so-called. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:32 | |
I do accept, however, his point and clearly it is a matter | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
that any government would be anxious to consider in weighing up this very | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
difficult conflicting issues. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:45 | |
Lord Faulks. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:46 | |
The Government's first pub adjudicator cannot be trusted | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
to remain impartial because of his links to large pub companies, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
or "pubcos", the Commons has heard. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
The Liberal Democrat Greg Mulholland described the appointment process | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
of Paul Newby as "extremely dubious". | 0:09:54 | 0:10:01 | |
The Adjudicator will govern the relationship between large | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
pub-owning businesses and their tied tenants in England and Wales. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
The Business Minister, Anna Soubry, strongly defended the appointment. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Paul Newby is a chartered surveyor, he has particular expertise | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
in valuation and arbitration, key skills | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
for the Pub Code Adjudicator. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
He has 30 years experience of the pub trade, working with pub | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
company landlords and pub tenants. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
I think he is going to be an excellent Pub Code Adjudicator. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Mr Greg Mulholland. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:32 | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
I'm afraid that is not a view shared by tenants groups who have been | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
absolutely astonished at this appointment. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Let's be clear, Mr Speaker, this appointment is of someone | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
who is the director of a company that derives the majority | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
of its income from the very companies the legislation | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
is intended to regulate. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
His CV says in his own words, he has - and I quote - | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
"Been engaged by numerous managed and tenanted pubcos on rent review | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
"matters and, in the last five years in particular, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
"has acted for Enterprise Inns Marston's and Punch". | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Right now, the very companies he is acting for now, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
currently, are bullying and coercing tenants into signing | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
away their rights or forfeiting pubs. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
And his company are actively involved in selling off pubs. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
How can he possibly be trusted to be impartial, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
given his salary has been dependent for 20 years on those he must now | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
adjudicate and potentially impose financial penalties on? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
There is a clear conflict-of-interest, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
which appears to render this process, at the very least, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
extremely dubious. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
He concluded... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
It is crass and a complicit and a clueless appointment | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
and it needs now to be properly scrutinised by this house. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Minister. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
I have to say, I think that was an absolutely disgraceful | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
set of slurs and I would appreciate it if the honourable gentleman | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
would be good enough to listen. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:05 | |
Paul Newby was appointed absolutely in accordance with the usual ways | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
of public appointments. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
And I take very grave exception to any allegation that either me | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
or anybody else has acted, in any way, improperly, or complicity. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:24 | |
Mr Newby hasn't just represented, as I said, pub trade companies, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
but also tenants. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
He has 30 years of experience, effectively representing both sides. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:41 | |
But Labour said tenants wouldn't be reassured | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
by what the Minister had said... | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
The challenge for Mr Newby will be in ensuring a level playing field | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
between tenants and pubcos. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
How does she think he will be able to do that, given those concerns | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
that have been raised by tenants? | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
There is a very real danger that someone who has acted | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
for Punch Taverns, Enterprise Inns and Marston's, will be seen | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
as continuing to act on their behalf and the Minister must be aware | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
of this very real concern, as she sits there, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
chuntering, as normal. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
I very much welcome the Government action on this issue, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
as someone who represents a number of pubs that I have dealt with over | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
the years, who have had problems with the large pub companies | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
that own them. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
Does she not agree with me that, in appointing a fair and experienced | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
adjudicator, it is important that we appoint someone | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
who understands both sides of the argument and, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
therefore, can adjudicate fairly between them? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
I absolutely agree. That is the joy of Mr Newby. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Not only is he a chartered surveyor, with all that brings to the job, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
but he has this ability to... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
He is a very experienced arbitrator. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
But it is his knowledge from both sides, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
and I know that he will be fair. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
I have complete confidence in him. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
He is very good news. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
Can I echo the sentiments that the pub really is | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
at the heart of many communities, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
particularly in smaller towns and villages. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:57 | |
I am really hoping that the appointment of Paul Newby | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
will normalise many of these relationships and we don't see, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
particularly in the case of a pub near me, The Chequer Inn in Ash, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
which suffered, I think, under an overbearing pub company, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
where you get new tenants tempted in, running well, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:18 | |
but then the prices escalate until they are forced | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
to collapse and close. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
And then we see planning applications for alternative use. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
I am hoping this will normalise those relationships. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
Minister. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
I absolutely couldn't agree more. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
And actually it's that very change of culture that is so important. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
I completely agree with the honourable gentleman. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
We have all had examples in our own constituency. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
I, too, have fought to keep open pubs. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
I have to say, unfortunately, I haven't been successful | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
in one instance. But I was in another one. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
But, yes, it is about changing the atmosphere. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
And about making sure that pubcos act in a sensible | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
and responsible manner. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
Not just to their tied tenants, but also to broader communities. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
Anna Soubry. | 0:14:59 | 0:14:59 | |
You're watching our round-up of the day in the Commons | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
and the Lords. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
Still to come: Is it time to privatise Network Rail? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
Now, who should have the final say over the future of the BBC? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
The Government is expected to reveal its proposals | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
for the future of the organisation in the coming weeks, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
with the BBC charter due for renewal at the end of this year. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
In a Lords debate, a former Conservative Cabinet minister said | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
decisions on the BBC's future should be taken out of the hands | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
of the Government. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
My Lords, we must find a better way of debating serious issues in this | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
House, like the future of the BBC. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
One minute speeches are frankly ridiculous, but perhaps it | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
illustrates the fundamental defect in the Royal Charter process. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
The Royal Charter may sound very grand, but what it means is that | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
none of the government's proposals come to Parliament for decision. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
If we are serious about the independence of the BBC | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
we should scrap the charter, set up the BBC as a statutory | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
corporation and resolve that no government shall be allowed alone | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
to determine the future of the BBC. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
In other words, this would be a matter for Parliament after proper | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
debate without the 60 second speaking clock. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
Around 25% has been abstracted from the BBC's programme budget | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
with no national debate whatsoever. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
We rightly condemned totally, my Lords, but this is our | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
constitutional outrage and it simply must be put right. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Changes to the BBC's mandate must now be agreed by Parliament. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:31 | |
The setting of the licence fee must now follow a rigorous | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
and considered process. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
Lord Fowler is right, it is time now, my Lords, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
to place the BBC on a statutory footing. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
My Lords, the BBC, as well as being so popular with the British public, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
plays a hugely important role in promoting the UK around | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
the world, and at home is a crucial part in our democracy | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
and wider society. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
It is vital that it maintains its independence, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
its ability to inform, educate and entertain and, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
we believe, it's licence fee. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
But to quote the chair of the BBC Trust, "Charter review hangs over | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
the BBC a cloud of uncertainty and unease." | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
My Lords, I am concerned that the charter and its funding | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
seem to have become separated. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
I share the Noble Lady, Lady Bonham-Carter's concern | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
about the BBC taking on the burden of the over 75s licence fee. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
I fear that the funds that are supposed to replace it | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
will not be forthcoming. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
On top of that, people are failing to pay the licence fee. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
There is going to be a ?150 million shortfall by the end of the year | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
in its payment. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
The Digital Licence is supposed to help close the loophole | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
of digital viewers not paying the license fee, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
but I fear that will no way compensate for the increasing | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
shortfall as the new generation of viewers look elsewhere | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
to get their content. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
But Charter review is, and I think people understand this, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
a once-in-ten-year opportunity to look at the scale and scope | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
of the BBC and it is right to look at how to help the BBC and the wider | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
media sector, indeed, to thrive in the future. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
It's more than 20 years since the UK's railway system | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
was privatised, but the arguments over public and private ownership | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
continue. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Network Rail, which owns and manages the track and the stations, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
is in the public sector - classed as a state-owned company | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
with no shareholders. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
But there's been speculation that privatisation of Network Rail may | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
not be too far away. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
When the Transport Secretary, Patrick McLoughlin, stated | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
in the Commons he had no plans to privatise the organisation, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
a Labour MP didn't seem convinced. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
The Secretary of State will be aware that the Treasury-backed Shaw | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Report, the final version is due to be published next week | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
and which looks at future financing of railways, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
has made it clear that full privatisation of Network Rail | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
is on the table. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
I am sure that the Minister would agree that we do not | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
want to go back to the dark and chaotic days of the private | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
management of our rail system under Railtrack. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Mr Speaker, I would like to congratulate the honourable member | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
on seeing a report which I don't think has been published yet! | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
So how he knows what the contents is is something that is beyond me. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
I am very proud of what we have achieved with the railway industry | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
in this country. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
I think it has been a fantastic success, with the franchising | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
that takes place. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
I am very sorry that the only people who are putting that at danger | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
is not the government, but the opposition. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
David Nuttall. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Does my right honourable friend agree that the evidence from other | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
sectors shows that privatisation has the potential to increase efficiency | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
and improve performance? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I do agree with that, but I also think that there | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
is is responsibility for a system of railway maintenance | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
and improvement that is very important, and we have seen | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
through the private sector vast improvements in our railway service. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
When the Secretary of State reads the Shaw Report, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
I hope he will recognise the relevance of the words | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
of the great real Manager Gerry Hines, who said that, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
"When you reorganise, you bleed. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
For many months, the few top people who keep the momentum up | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
are distracted from their proper job, punctuality goes to hell, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
safety starts to slip. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
Don't reorganise. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
Don't, don't, don't." | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Mr Speaker, there is broad cross-party support for investment | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
in the railways, for maintaining our outstanding safety record | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and for delivering major projects like HS2. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
So will he give me an assurance that the progress that has been made | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
will not be jeopardised by pursuing unneeded, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
unwanted and dangerous plans to privatise Network Rail? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Well, I can tell the honourable lady with absolute certainty there are no | 0:20:46 | 0:20:53 | |
plans to continue a disastrous policy of nationalising | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
the railways, which is one that she puts forward and her party | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
leader puts forward. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
She just talked about all the investment that is going on and, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
indeed, she has seen quite a bit of it in her own constituency, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
not least in Nottingham Station, in which she welcomed | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
that investment. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
Of course she welcomed that investment. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
I welcome investment in our railways. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
But it is also worthwhile asking how do we carry on that | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
level of investment? | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Investment at the level which she would only have ever | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
dreamt of when they were in government. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Patrick McLoughlin. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Now, what do Sir Alex Ferguson, Jamie Oliver and Karen Millen | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
have in common? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
They were all apprentices, as the Skills Minister, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Nick Boles, has informed MPs. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Declaring himself to be "evangelical" about apprenticeships, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
the Minister explained what the Government was doing | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
to improve the scheme. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
His statement came ahead of National Apprenticeship Week next week. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
An apprenticeship can take you anywhere. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
Sir Alex Ferguson did one, so did Jamie Oliver and Karen Millen | 0:21:55 | 0:22:01 | |
and Sir Ian McKellen. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
So too did the chairman of great businesses like Crossrail, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
WS Atkins and Fujitsu. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Mr Speaker, the government has great ambitions | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
for our apprenticeships programme. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
In the last parliament, 2.4 million people started an apprenticeship. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
By 2020, we want a further three million to have that opportunity. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
He said the Government had to persuade more employers | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
to offer apprenticeships. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
At the moment only about 15% of employers in England do. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
In Germany, it is 24%, in Australia 30%. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
So we are introducing a new apprenticeship levy | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
which will be paid by all larger employers - | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
those with an annual payroll bill of ?3 million or more. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
This will help us increase our spending on apprenticeships | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
in England from ?1.5 billion last year to ?2.5 billion in 2019-20. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:55 | |
What has turned up, in fact, is simply, if I can put it that way, | 0:22:55 | 0:23:01 | |
a dance of the seven veils. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
What he has announced today, or what he has said today, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
is simply a rehash of much of what was already said in | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
the English Apprenticeship document. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
That is what concerns the sector. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Fine words butter no parsnips. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
He said there were several unanswered questions. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Will this levy be extra money or will it be a substitute | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
for government funding? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Will it be extra resources or will it simply be | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
an Osborne payroll tax? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
So can he confirm that the amount he expects the levy to raise, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
and whether that will be more or less than the ?1 billion extra | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
spend he has just said he hopes to add to spending | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
on apprenticeships in England? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Can I thank the Minister for an advanced copy | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
of his statement? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
I am a little bit surprised that the timing of it. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Apprenticeships in Scotland was last week, not next week. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
It would have been beneficial to have it then. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
The Scottish Government have recognised the importance | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
of apprenticeships for some time. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
Indeed, the Scottish Government has committed to creating 25,000 modern | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
apprenticeships a year, which encompass 80 | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
different types of MAs. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
May I just add one slight note of caution? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
As a Conservative, I don't like levies. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
Let's call it a tax, instinctively. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Has he had any response from big business as to their fears | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
for the future if, heaven forbid, a socialist government ever took | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
over, this could be an area of taxation that they might | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
want to increase for other reasons? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
I would just very briefly say to the Minister, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
who I have some time for, that a lot of us in this side | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
of the Chamber worked very hard, not least my honourable friend | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
on the front bench and the chair of the select committee, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
to rescue apprenticeships from oblivion under Labour | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
government and there was very good quality apprenticeships that he can | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
now build upon. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
Tomorrow, I am attending an event hosted by the Ancient | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
Company of Fellmongers. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:51 | |
Would he join me in commending the fellmongers for returning | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
to their medieval roots and supporting the creation | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
of dozens of local apprenticeships, helping Richmond become one | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
of the best performing constituencies anywhere | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
in the United Kingdom? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, one of the curious things about this | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
job is that you discover occupations that you had literally never heard | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
of and, I have to admit I still don't know | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
what the fellmonger is. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
In case you're not familiar with the trade, a fellmonger | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
is someone who deals in sheep skins. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
And that's it, but do join me for the Week In Parliament, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
when we not only look back at the last few days in the Commons | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and the Lords, but also discuss what the obstacles are to women | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
making progress in the Westminster career ladder. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 |