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02/03/2017

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Hello and Welcome to Thursday in Parliament, our look at the best

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of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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After the drama of the week's Government defeat in the House

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of Lords on the Brexit Bill, peers win praise from some unlikely

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The people's aristocrats have spoken and their voice must be listened to.

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The Farming Minister rejects claims that food prices are increasing

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We have seen a fall in food prices of 0.5% over the last year and a

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fall of 6% since 2014. And more tributes are paid

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to the Father of the House, Sir Gerald Kaufman,

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who died last weekend. He had an ability to sum up his

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views with a witty turn of phrase that could be as colourful and a

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memorable as his suits. The Leader of the Commons,

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David Lidington, has confirmed that the Government

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will try to overturn Wednesday night's defeat for the Government

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inflicted by peers Peers voted by a majority of 102

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to guarantee the rights of EU nationals living and working

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in the UK. Ministers don't want that guarantee

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to figure in the bill, which simply triggers the process

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of Britain leaving the EU. Mr Lidington had accompanied

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Theresa May to watch the beginning of the Brexit Bill's first debate

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in the Lords, something his Labour The leader of the House is keen on

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visiting the other place. I don't know if he has caught the news, but

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their Lordships intend to send back an amendment, which they won by 358

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votes to 256. Can the leader of the House give us an indication when the

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bill is likely to come back to Parliament, week commencing 13th of

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March, all week commencing 30th of March. We will return to the EU bill

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as rapidly as possible after the House of Lords has finished debating

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it and given it its third reading and the government remains of the

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view the bill is straightforward, it does no more than con fur authority

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on the Prime Minister's required by the courts to initiate negotiations

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by triggering Article 50 of the treaty. We will therefore seek to

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resist changes that would make that negotiating task more difficult.

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The SNP normally says the Lords should be abolished.

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But such opposition was absent this time.

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What about three cheers for our heroes?

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The people's aristocrats have spoken.

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Every time, every time I raised the issue in the House of Lords,

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with the Leader of the House, he tells me there are absolutely no

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plans whatsoever to have that House reformed,

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accepting therefore, the absolute legitimacy to raise

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Will he now listen to the House of Lords on this issue

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and will he said today that he has absolutely no plans whatsoever

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to use the Parliament Act, if our unelected friends

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continue to show backbone on this particular issue?

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I do find, the right honourable gentleman's new-found passionate

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affection for the House of Lords makes me suggest that it's not just

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Mr Farage who has secret yearnings for the honours list.

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On to the issue of the rights of EU citizens living in Britain.

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From one form of unilateralism to another and I will ask

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the Leader of the House whether we could have a statement

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from a Brexit minister, as to what assessment the government

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has made for the motives of those people with whom we will be

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negotiating in the future in other countries, not to respond

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to the initiatives that we have been taking and the indications we have

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been giving, that members of their societies who have

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chosen to live in Britain, will be able to continue doing so,

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so long as our citizens are able to continue living

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The other EU 27 governments have been clear they will only engage

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in negotiations once Article 50 has been triggered.

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But I am optimistic a reciprocal agreement on the status of each

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other's citizens can indeed be achieved.

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I think that is in the rational interests of the United Kingdom

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So I very much hope that can be an early achievement

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Meanwhile, the Government's rejected claims that shoppers are paying more

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for food since the UK voted for Brexit.

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The Food and Farming Minister said there had been a fall of 6% overall

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Large numbers of people in my constituency are in work, but still

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in poverty. They are feeling the effects of increased food prices

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over recent months. We are so dependent on cheap EU food products,

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what is the minister going to do to protect them in the longer term?

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Minister. The facts don't bear out what he says. We have seen a fall in

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food prices of no .5% and a fall of 6% since 2014. We do monitor the

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situation closely. We have the annual living costs of food survey

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which monitors the poorest households and the amount of money

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they spend on food and it has been stable over the last decade. The

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paradox is that we starve the poor by refusing to buy their food from

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them. Will he bear that in mind when we escape from the common external

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tariff? He makes an important point and we do have some preferential

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trade agreements in place with developing countries from the

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Caribbean, to buy sugar from them. These are arrangements we will want

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to maintain and secure, so we can support developing countries. The

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Minister has talked about food prices falling but supermarkets are

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talking of the potential food prices to rise significantly busier, having

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a huge effect on every household. Nearly half of our food is imported

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and due to the weak pound and inflation, prices are already

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starting to rise for the time in three years. What exactly is the

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government doing to help with the price rises in people's weekly food

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shop? As I said earlier in answer to this question, we monitor closely

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the amount of money people are spending on food. It has remained

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stable at 16.5% for the last decade. We continue to keep the issue under

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review. I point out, the greatest bike we had in food prices took

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place in 2008 and food prices have been falling since 2014.

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Earlier in the session, MPs wanted to know what impact

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Brexit would have on temporary migrants who come to the UK to pick

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Farmers are facing a seasonal shortage of labour. Some are worried

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the food will rot in the ground this year. The government has been asked

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to reverse its decision to scrap the seasonal agricultural workers

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scheme. Can a decision please be made as a matter of urgency? I point

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out to him, well we remain members of the European Union, we do have

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free movement and fruit farms and farmers are able to sort their

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labour from countries such as Romania and Bulgaria. Some have

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raised concerns about agricultural labour going forward after we leave

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the EU and we are listening carefully to the representations

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they are making. Growers in my constituency are worried about fruit

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going unpicked, not only when we leave the EU, but this year. Will he

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continue to press the Home Office on this issue, not only on seasonal

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agricultural workers after we leave the EU, but between now and then? As

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my honourable friend may know, I spent ten years working in the soft

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fruit industry and I will know many of the strawberry farmers which she

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represents. But I can tell her, somebody, myself ran a soft fruit

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enterprise and employed several hundred people and I understand the

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challenges the industry faces. Many of the farmers in my constituency

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have entered into contracts for migrant labour for this coming

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season. There is concern from reports last week the government are

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introducing work permits when Article 50 is triggered. Can the

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Minister confirm if this is happening or give them assurance

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this will not happen and they can fulfil the contract they have

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already entered into? The minister said until the UK left

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the EU, free movement would remain. The online property letting service

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Airbnb has faced more claims in Parliament that its property

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lettings to tourists Founded nine years ago,

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Airbnb now has some 3 million lodging listings in almost

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200 different countries. But it's faced criticism

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that the service reduces the supply of affordable housing for rent,

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as landlords let out their properties for

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affluent holiday-makers. The arguments were taken up

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during Question Time Many, possibly even most

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of the Airbnb lettings are in properties which are not

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allowed to let on a short-term basis and they are long-term

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residential blocks of flats. And in New York, these short-term

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lets are not allowed any more now in any block which is long-term

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residential, because of Is he also aware that seven London

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boroughs have called My Lords, taking up the very

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relevant last point first, the London boroughs of course do

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have the power and indeed the responsibility to enforce

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that in their areas. It is something that rests

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with local authorities if hosts and tenants are breaking the law

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in relation to the 90 day limit. Not 90 consecutive days,

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90 days in any given year. So they do have the power

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is there, My Lords. So they do have the powers

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there, My Lords. There are restrictions in New York,

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but it is still possible of course to operate,

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but within different limits to those Is he aware that it really

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is a significant problem For instance, research by central

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London amenities Society show that 20% of housing stock has been lost

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and indeed in some blocks of flats, My Lords, is the answer to this

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is to have a tough licensing regime, which includes data-sharing,

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an opportunity to call out Will he discuss all these issues

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when he meets Airbnb and report back to the House on the outcome

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of those discussions? My Lords, first of all,

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as I have indicated, within London and certainly

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which is the situation the Noble Lord was citing,

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there are restrictions already. So I don't believe it is distorting

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the market in the way the Noble Lord suggests because there is that

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90 day limit. But certainly, I will be

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discussing these matters Surely there is a great growth

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element in our economy, its tourism. Families coming from abroad can have

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much more opportunity of seeing things in London if they get

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reasonably cheap bed and breakfast, or have Airbnb,

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or what ever they call it. To bring a family of three children

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and parents over to London for a week would cost an enormous

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amount, whereas they can at least come, have reasonably priced

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accommodation and then spend My Lords, I believe my noble friend

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has a material point. I have certainly spoke to people

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coming from overseas and have used Airbnb in London and have had

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fantastic experiences of it and largely of course,

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it operates very effectively Does the Minister realise, it is not

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only in the heavily urbanised areas, but also in some of the most

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attractive parts of the country, that short-term holiday lets,

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referred to in the question, are distorting the longer

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term letting market. Is he aware how attractive this

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is and that a modest house without a view of a lake or a hill

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in high season can be left without a view of a lake or a hill

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in high season can be let for over ?3000 a week

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in the Lake District National Park. There is no incentive whatsoever

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for landlords rent out There is no incentive whatsoever

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for landlords to rent out houses to local people,

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or people who want to work My Lords, I am aware there are,

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outside of London, many possibilities for the sorts of lets

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the Noble Lord describes. He has cited the Lake District,

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there are other areas, Bath, the Cotswolds,

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Oxford, Cambridge and so on and that You're watching our round-up of the

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day in the Commons and the Lords. More tributes are paid

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to Sir Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP whose death

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was announced last weekend. The week brought gloomy industrial

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news from South Wales. Doubts were raised over the future

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of 1,100 workers at the Ford Ford revealed changes to its planned

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investment in its new Dragon engine. The Unite union said it would use

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"all its might" to fight for the future of Bridgend's

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nearly 2,000 workers. The town's MP spoke

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about the uncertain situation during the annual Commons debate

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on Welsh affairs. Tariffs are absolutely

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essential for Ford. The vital nature of making sure

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there is free tariff access She will know that the impact

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of the Ford factory and the prospect of losing 1100 jobs

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there would have an impact Would she join with me in urging

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the Secretary of State to offer Ford whatever assistance he can,

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including the sorts of deals that And would she further urge him

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to make sure that we never see World Trade Organisation tariffs

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imposed on cars coming out of the UK, which would cripple

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the competitiveness I have had assurances that,

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in fact, Ford will have I have asked today for a symposium

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of automotive manufacturers, which will involve

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the manufacturers, the ministers here in Westminster,

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the trade unions and local members, And I hope the Secretary

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of State will support that. There are productivity issues

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in Bridgend as well, And I know that the GMB union

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and Unite are working Next Wednesday sees

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International Women's Day, and the Commons has held its annual

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debate to mark the event. One year ago, the Labour MP

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Jess Phillips read out in the chamber the names

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of all the women who'd been killed She said she planned to do the same

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every year that she remained an MP and recited the names of the 123

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women who had died since Let these women be

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the ones who drive us. I would ask each and every one of us

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to remember these women, We must remember them

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when we make our decisions, We have a responsibility

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to be the voices of these On this International Women's Day,

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let us remember why we are all here Yesterday, Labour Women made a short

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film for International Women's Day. One of the things we were asked

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to do was to complete the sentence, I said I wanted to live in a world

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where violence against women was eradicated and where rape was no

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longer used as a weapon of war. But what I wanted to go on to say

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was that I wanted the statistic that every week two women are murdered

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by their partner or ex-partner Discussion turned to female

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representation at Westminster. This year marks the 40th anniversary

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of the election of Winnie Ewing She was a lawyer who

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became the second ever She was a lawyer who became

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the second ever SNP MP in the House. So, growing up growing

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up in Hamilton meant knowing strong, passionate

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women who believed that they could change things

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in politics, and I hope that We're just at 30% of this

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chamber with women to men, we are behind Italy,

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Germany, Norway, uncluding Rwanda. I want to send out a message today

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to any young girl or woman who is listening and wants

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to enter politics. I want her to hear loud and clear

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that everyone in this House From the Medieval Age to now,

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we have the Technical Age. We are among the first generation

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of parliamentarians who have had to deal with modern technology

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and the access it gives the public Those of us who know social media

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know what it is like occasionally to go on to Twitter and Facebook

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and see a barrage These are faceless

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and nameless cowards. Sometimes, we minimise

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the difficulties that women face in getting into Parliament

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and in staying here. Sometimes, we prefer

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not to talk about it. But that does no favours

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to the women who are still to come to this place if we pretend

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there is not a problem. The increase in MPs coming

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to this House since 2005, when there were only 17 female

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Conservative MPs, has created a transformational change

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in the make-up of the House of Commons and it has transformed

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the things that we talk While Winnie, Nancy Astor

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and Barbara Castle were isolated in here, I really genuinely do feel

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that if we work together, in our greater numbers,

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we can make real, positive change. It is not about fighting

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for equality for equality's sake - it never is - but it is making sure

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that this Parliament is more Having a female Prime Minister does

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not mean that we have a Parliament built on equality, because in 2017,

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we only have, as we have heard, 30% of the MPs sitting on these

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benches who are women. I want to take advantage of this

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occasion to say what a huge achievement it is to give birth,

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and how proud we should be, as women, of our

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capacity to do that. I also want to acknowledge those

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first weeks and months of a baby's life when a woman gives herself over

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entirely to looking after her child. We all choose different

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ways to do this, but Whether our children

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are now fully grown adults or small children still,

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they are only here because their mothers kept them alive in those

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early weeks and months. Again, the effort and sacrifice this

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takes is often dismissed or overlooked, so I want to tell

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mothers everywhere today to be proud of what they did

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because their children would not be The annual debate to mark the start

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of International Women's Day. At the start of the week,

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the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, paid tribute to Sir Gerald Kaufman,

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the Labour MP for Manchester Gorton and Father of the House of Commons,

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whose death was announced on Sunday. MPs have had the chance

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to reflect on his life. The Conservative former

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Chancellor, Kenneth Clarke, A former Labour cabinet minister

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recalled how Sir Gerald Kaufman beat One of Gerald's more gleeful tales

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was of how he had the forethought, when first elected to this House,

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to take the oath before the right honourable member for Rushcliffe

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in the belief that both were likely to be here for some considerable

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time and so be contenders He took great glee

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in telling that story. I would like to say that I think

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he probably would not have begrudged the Member

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for Rushcliffe his opportunity, but I am not absolutely

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certain about that. He had an ability to sum

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up his views with a witty turn of phrase that could be as colourful

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and memorable as his suits. For so many of us on these benches,

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he was simply a style guru. I remember those long

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scarves he used to wear. One day, he had to be rescued

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at the entrance to the tube station because it had got caught up

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in all this, and the great efforts that went into ensuring that

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Gerald was separated On a Select Committee trip

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to the Isle of Mull, to cheer him up on his birthday -

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it was one of the big numbers - he loved marmalade, so he was made

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orange marmalade ice cream. On a Committee visit to Rome,

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some members had not been to Rome, so before he went

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to the ambassador's dinner, he took them to the Trevi

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fountain and, of course, There is this sense with the passing

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of Gerald Kaufman of another link being broken with a former political

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age. His first general election contest was in 1955, where he stood

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the Bromley constituency. I think the Bromley constituency. I think

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without too much expectation of a shock victory on that occasion. He

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represented successive Manchester constituencies for many, many, many

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years. This was a man who also served in Number 10 under Harold

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Wilson. Some MPs referred to his

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love of watching films. I remember very foolishly

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going into the Members' Tea Room and being enthusiastic

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after seeing new film. Had just seen Superman

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for the very first time. Gerald had been to see it,

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and he gave this caustic review about everything that was wrong

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with American cinema at that time, He said, "But you liked it, Barry,

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so it couldn't have been all bad." His last recommendation to me,

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by the way, was to see the brilliant movie "Hail,

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Caesar!", which I duly But it would sometimes be

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embarrassing to go with Gerald, because if the weather was cold,

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he would wear a red When I told him about this, he said

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it was not half as embarrassing It's not unusual for MPs

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to complain about other MPs visiting their constituencies

:23:54.:24:04.

for political purposes and failing But Labour's Tulip Siddiq had

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a different complaint following a visit to her north

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London seat by the Conservative, This week, the member for north-east

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Somerset was in my constituency. And, to his credit,

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he did not inform me And, to his credit, he did inform me

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you was going to my constituency I offered to go with him,

:24:31.:24:33.

but he rejected my advances. But today, I opened

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the Camden New Journal, my local paper, to read that he had

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described the pygmy Does the Deputy Speaker think

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that the term "pygmy" is appropriate while standing in the constituency

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of the shortest MP in Parliament? The Deputy Speaker, Lindsay Hoyle,

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said he was sure Mr Rees-Mogg hadn't But do join me for the Week

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In Parliament, when we not only look back at the last few days

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in the Commons and the Lords, but also assess the impact of this

:25:09.:25:11.

week's fly-on-the-wall BBC TV But for now, from me,

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Keith Macdougall, goodbye.

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