27/04/2017 Thursday in Parliament


27/04/2017

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Hello and welcome to the programme, on the last day of this Parliament

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before the general election and June the 8th. Coming up, condemnation

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from Labour on the government's Brexit strategy.

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Is not the truth that, far from uniting this country, this Tory

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government and its ministers have been dividing it since they took

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office? But the Brexit secretary says, out

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in the country, there is huge support for Theresa May's approach.

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Massive respect for our Prime Minister, and a belief that she will

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deliver the best outcome in bracts in negotiations.

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The government faces more questions over taking child refugees, and

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Parliament comes to a close with the traditional ceremony of pro-rich in.

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As the last two pieces of legislation finish their passage

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through Parliament. But first, Theresa May called the

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election arguing she needed a strong hand in the UK's Brexit

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negotiations. EU ministers are due to meet in Luxembourg over the

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weekend to hammer out their final negotiating position. On Wednesday,

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Theresa May met the European Commission president, Jean-Claude

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Juncker, for talks in Downing Street added that crucial summit of the

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remaining 27 members. Downing Street said Mrs May reiterated the UK's aim

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of building a deep and special partnership after Brexit. In the

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Commons, Labour focused on the rights of EU nationals living in the

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UK. As the Secretary of State knows,

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around 3 million EU nationals are very anxious about their status

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when we leave the EU. Labour would unilaterally

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guarantee their status from day one. Under this government,

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all they could do is apply for consideration

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for permanent residency. But as the Brexit committee warned

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in March, the current process for consideration of permanent

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residency applications The Secretary of State knows

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how important it is. Well, the thing I'd say

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to the honourable gentleman, and I respect his concern in this

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area, let me be clear about that, but the thing I'd say to him is,

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the system that's there now is not designed to deal with 3 million

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people, and it's been made plain. In fact, if you go

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on the Home Office website, you'll see them saying,

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don't make an application now, you don't need to,

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and when we actually move the primary legislation, it'll be

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a matter for the Home Office, but I believe that it will be very

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simple when we come to that point. Because as the Financial Times

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reported yesterday, the Home Office is now

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saying, don't apply. Is that the official government

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position for EU nationals, "don't apply for

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permanent residency"? Is that how they are going

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to deal with the anxiety? What that is about

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is the Home Office. It's a reflection of what's

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on the website, which is essentially pointing out that they don't need

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to apply for their rights to be underpinned, and that's

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the approach we're taking. Bear in mind, for the next two

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years, irrespective of anything the government does,

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all of the existing rights There will be no change

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in that respect. Before we come to the point

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of accident from the European Union, Before we come to the point of exit

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from the European Union, we will have made this very clear

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in primary legislation. The Prime Minister called

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the general election in the name of building unity

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to strengthen her EU But this is the Prime Minister

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who sent Go Home vans around parts of urban Britain

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with high immigrant populations. This is the Prime Minister who aided

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and abetted the most disgraceful campaign against the first Muslim

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mayor of our capital city, and this is the government who,

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with its hard Brexit allies, seeks to call anyone who calls

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into question their negotiating Is not the truth that far

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from uniting this country, this Tory government

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and its ministers have been dividing If the honourable gentleman

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wants an answer to that, I think the first place he should

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start is on the streets of Britain, where he will find a massive support

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for our Prime Minister, a massive respect for our

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Prime Minister, and a belief that she will deliver the best

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outcome in the Brexit negotiations. Will he agree with me that we cannot

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pretend to be a global player without running an open economy,

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with an orderly, and bureaucratic without running an open economy,

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with an orderly, unbureaucratic immigration policy,

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which will allow our businesses and our public services the people

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and skills they need? The balance that any

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government strikes when it controls its own immigration policy,

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controls its own borders, something which he has

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fought for down the years, is one which provides proper

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security and proper policy in terms of delivery of social services

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and delivering housing, but at the same time,

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allows our businesses, our universities, our research

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centres, our financial centres, all to take part in the battle

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for talent which actually makes our country one

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of the greatest in the world. A conservative said if there was no

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deal, trading and so-called favoured nation terms would be second best.

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It would be relatively small beer. Compared with the 15% improvement

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in competitiveness because of the exchange rate,

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and saving ?10 billion a year which is equivalent to a 7%

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tariff on our exports. Well, Mr Speaker, let me say quite

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clearly that the ambition and the intention of the government

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is to achieve the best possible free-trade agreement

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with our EU partners. However, our position also is this:

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We expect to negotiate toughly, and unlike the opposition,

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our position will be made clear to the European Union,

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that we are prepared to walk away from the negotiating table

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if it is not possible to achieve What kind of deal does the Secretary

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of State think he is likely to get if he and his government refuses

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to pay their dues in Europe? Surely, Mr Speaker, negotiations

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are about give and take. It is interesting,

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the Scottish National Party David Davies. Meanwhile, in the

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Scottish Parliament, the Conservative leader asked what the

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SNP's policy was on European union membership, and the Common Fisheries

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Policy. Nicola Sturgeon's stated position is

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to be a full member of the EU. Their MPs' stated position is to leave the

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Common Fisheries Policy. But full membership of the European Union

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means full membership of the Common Fisheries Policy. Isn't that the

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case, First Minister? Well, Ruth Davidson has clearly not

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been paying attention. They SNP has been consistent over many, many

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years in our criticisms of the Common Fisheries Policy. And very

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clear about our intentions to see it fundamentally reformed. Our 2007

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manifesto, continue to work for withdrawal of the CFP. 2011, the

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CFP, well past its sell by date. The 2014 white paper on independence,

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independence for Scotland would allow us to take a leadership role

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in reforming the Common Fisheries Policy. So the reality here is, the

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SNP that always stands up for Scottish fishing, and always will

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stand up for Scottish fishing. But Ruth Davidson thought the SNP

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was facing in several different directions.

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The SNP, saying they are in favour of joining the European Union, but

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the First Minister not confirming whether the first -- SNP will back

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that in their manifesto. They say they are in favour of the Common

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Fisheries Policy, except for MPs in fishing constituencies, who are

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against it. Then we have the real whopper. In Scotland, Nicola

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Sturgeon saying the coming election has nothing to do whatever with

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independence, but from the broadcast studios of London, up pops Alex

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Salmond to confirm that they will use this to demand a referendum that

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the rest of us don't want. So the First Minister thinks it on fishing,

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and EU membership and on the election, she conveys both ways and

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promise all things to all people. Isn't it the case she is treating

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the electorate as pools? What is a mean when the UK

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Government say they want a deal that works with EU's fishing communities?

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That can only mean that the Tories are preparing to sell-out Scottish

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fishermen a grant other European countries access to fishing waters,

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and treat that vital Scottish industry as expendable once again.

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First Minister has done nothing in the last 20 years to avoid her party

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looking shifty in Europe and independence. -- 20 minutes. The

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First Minister said on Monday, this election is not about independence.

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Yesterday, we see her sitting on a Iestyn Independence branded

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motorbike, in the shadow of the Wallace Monument, on the B road to

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Bannockburn. Can the First Minister tell me, what is her position today?

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Well, my position is as it has always been, so Willie Rennie should

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maybe listen carefully, because he seems to be struggling to understand

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it. I support Scotland being independent and an independent

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member of the European Union. There you go.

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A Labour leader turned to a domestic issue.

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After ten years SNP government, Scottish education is challenges

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like never before. Since the SNP took office, there are 4000 fewer

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teachers, 1000 fewer support staff, and class sizes are bigger.

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International studies show that Scotland is declining in maths,

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reading, and science. John Swinney's response to this was to publish a

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mini manifesto, repeating the very promises he has been making every

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year since 2007. So can the First Minister tell teachers, parents and

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pupils why they should believe the SNP this time around?

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Well, education is my top buyer at it. That is why... -- top priority.

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Kezia Dugdale does not like to hear this, but this is why right now

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across Scotland, head teachers and teachers have in their hands, ?120

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million of additional funding. And she said Labour had not a shred

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of credibility left and funding services.

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Back now to Westminster, where the government admitted there had been

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an administrative error in the placing of child refugees, with

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local authorities in England, which meant that there were 130 more

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places available. The Labour peer who successfully secured the

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original commitment to take child migrants from Europe welcomed the

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news. 130 children will be taken into this

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country under Section 67 of the Immigration Act,

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even if the reason is the Home Office having

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to hang its head in shame because they made an

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administrative error as part My Lords, I want to put

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this to the minister. Will the government now

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re-consult local authorities, because there are many local

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authorities, not just in England, but in Scotland, Wales

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and Northern Ireland, who've expressed a willingness

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to take more child refugees, and is the minister not aware that

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many representations have been made recently about the availability

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of local authority places? Well, the administrative error

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is most unfortunate, I wouldn't want to

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see that happening. The good news is that we have

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an additional 130 places, and I think we should all be very

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pleased about that. And I think the important thing

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here is that no child has been disenfranchised -

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any eligible child has 200 children have been taken so far,

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so we haven't even got to the 350. So I wouldn't want noble Lords

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to think that any child had been disenfranchised

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because of this Can the minister give us the figure,

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what capacity have local authorities told the government they have

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for unaccompanied asylum seeking children in the next financial year,

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namely this one, 2017-18, on the basis that the current level

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of government funding is continuing? Well, my Lords, as my honourable

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friend in the other place outlined in the written ministerial statement

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yesterday, the capacity In terms of future commitments,

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obviously, we are hours from prorogation, and I cannot make

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any future declarations at the dispatch box,

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much as I would want to. And those figures will be

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forthcoming, should we be successful Reading these debates that we have

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from time to time on the issue, they focused almost exclusively on local

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authority suggesting that they are the best providers. Is that the case

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and if so, what is the arrangement by which other providers can link

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into the system in order to increase the numbers available? I'm glad my

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noble friend asked the question because one thing the Government

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have been very keen to promote is the community sponsorship scheme

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which the most Reverend, Archbishop of Canterbury has taken part in an

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Lambeth Palace to take Syrian families and in fact indeed in my

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own local authority in Trafford we have a community sponsorship scheme

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and I never let the time pass without me encouraging noble Lords

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who might know any community sponsors who might be willing to

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come forward to take families. Staying in the laws, peers rejected

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a motion criticising the Government on the abolition of bursary for

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students on health care courses such as nurses or midwifery in England.

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The allowance was paid to help for living expenses during training,

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George Osborne announced plans to scrap them in November 2015 and

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replacing them with loans. Ministers argue the change would free up

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around ?800 million a year in government spending and could create

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up to 10,000 new training places. A Labour peer argued that it meant

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student nurses would rack up thousands of pounds of debt. In

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essence what the Government are insisting and I think this is the

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first time for decades, they are insisting that the nurses pay for

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working in the health service. They are paying their ?9,000 a year to

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work as unpaid nurses. And I think that is scandalous. Absolutely

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scandalous. The point the Government are making is that they are prepared

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if nurses pay for their own education and this is perhaps the

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point the noble Lord was making, if they paid then they would lift the

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cap so the universities could train as many students as they wanted. And

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that is something I hope works, I want this system to work, but then

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we come to the problem that it is easy enough for the universities to

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expand their lectures, to provide their library facilities, but the

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difficulty comes when the health service has got to provide the

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tutors, the mentors, to provide the practical oversight of the students

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when they are working on the wards and in clinical situations. Lady

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Watkins is a registered nurse and she said there was more than one

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route into nursing including a graduate scheme and a scheme like an

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advanced apprenticeship. Rather than re-instigate the bursary where we

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know that a lot of people applied to go to university because of the

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bursary and we had a very high dropout in year one and I was a Dean

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when that was happening so I speak from experience or some who

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completed the course but never had any intention of working but wanted

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to go into hate chart or perhaps become an air stewardess, neither of

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which is a bad thing but they had used the bursary structure to get

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their degree as an entry into those programmes rather than an intention

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to necessarily spend a lifetime caring. So I think it would be

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preferable to invest in three methods leading to registration but

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seriously considering giving a bursary for the third year of

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training when I would agree with the noble Lord that most students give a

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huge amount to the NHS in that third share. What the new system does is

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that it actually delivers more cash to cover the living costs for nurses

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during their education. It delivers more money per nurse for

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universities providing education through the fees and loan system.

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And it removes the caps and provides the NHS with trained nurses in

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total. I believe this motion is misguided, the extension is a

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natural development of reform that has received cross-party support.

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This will dramatically improve the participation of disadvantaged

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groups and will provide a fair distribution of the cost of funding

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for higher education, the true source of regret is the opposition

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has used this to run scare stories about both the impact of sensible

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funding changes and the impact of leaving the European Union on the

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NHS workforce. I urge all members of this house to vote against the

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motion. When it came to the voter peers backed the Government by a

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majority of 38. You are watching Thursday in Parliament. On the last

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day at Westminster ahead of the general election. Now when you think

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of the suffragettes who probably think of the women who took part in

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direct action to try to win the vote, but a new exhibition in

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Parliament reveals the role that men played in the campaign. Suffragettes

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on the streets of London, the names of campaigners like Emily Pankhurst

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and her daughter have passed into history. Less well-known is the fact

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that some of the suffragettes were men. A new exhibition in Parliament

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highlights the role some men played campaigning for votes for women,

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suffragettes in trousers. This was a phrase coined in 1907 by a Member of

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the men's league for women's suffrage and essentially this

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exhibition is telling the story of those men, especially the men in

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Parliament who supported the long campaign for women's suffrage and in

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Britain. Frederick Pedro and Lawrence later an MP and when the

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ordeal of force-feeding in jail. He was imprisoned for his supports and

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there were attempts to bankrupt him and make him liable for the damage

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that some protests had caused. He was vilified, he had all things

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Castres masculinity, he was missing is a traitor to the male

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establishment. George Lansbury stepped down as an MP to force a

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by-election on votes for women. He decided to stand not as a Labour

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candidate but as a women's candidate, it was extraordinary at

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the time. A great opportunity for the Suffrage Society as they'll

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descended on East London and campaigned on his behalf, day and

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night to get him re-elected. It doesn't have a happy ending, he was

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deleted by a few hundred votes by the Conservative and Unionist

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candidates. He ended up in prison in 1913 for his efforts, quickly

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released thanks to his former colleagues who campaigned for his

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release but, he was one of those MPs who really really put their beliefs

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in women's equality. Although individual MPs backed change, it

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took until 1917 for Parliament to agree for votes for women in the

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following year. That is similar to now, there are controversial causes

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which come up in Parliament brought up by private members of both houses

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and don't seem to get anywhere which is really frustrating for people who

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support the change. Perhaps assisted dying and what happens is that you

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do gets you get movements that say something should change but if the

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Government of the day is not in favour it is hard to get a

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controversial measure through. That was the end of a long campaign both

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in and outside Parliament said people should take courage that if

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your support gets a majority support it'll happen by or crook. And you

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can see more on that exhibition at the vote 100 section of the

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parliament .uk website. Now as is always the way when a parliament

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comes to a close there are some last-minute bartering between the

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Government and the opposition to get a handful of bills into law before

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the election. The controversial higher education and research bill

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cleared the North of some peers were disappointed that they failed in the

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end to use it to exclude overseas students from the immigration

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figures in the UK. The Digital economy Bill was passed by the Lords

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to, it dealt with broadband services, the BBC and public sector

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broadcasters and protection for children from online pornography.

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And that last bit of legislation meant there was one job for

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Parliament to do. Make sure the bills passed received Royal assent

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and bring Parliamentary proceedings formally to a close, the ceremony

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known as prorogation. MPs were summoned to the House of Lords by

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the parliamentary official Black Rod. The rout.

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MPs trooped to the Lords for a ceremony led by a five Lords

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Commissioners. They appeared from various parties who have the

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ceremonial role of representing the Queen. They were resplendent in red

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robes and Black tricorn hats which they were required to Duff at

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various points. Lady Evans the Leader of the Lords is one of the

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Commissioners. Her Majesty not thinking fit to be personally

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present here at this time has been pleased to cause a commission to be

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issued under the great Seal and thereby given her Royal assent

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diverse acts which have been agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament.

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Royal assent was given to a number of new laws, the title was read out

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by the Lord clacks, first name of each bill and then the replies

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signalling the monarchs approval in the traditional Norman French.

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Neighbourhood planning act. MPs then made their way slowly back to the

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Commons where they form an orderly queue to shake the speaker 's hand

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and make their way out of the chamber. Some of them knowing it is

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for the final time and awaiting the verdict of the voters. And that

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brings us to the end of this edition of the programme and this

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Parliament. We will be back with the new government and the new batch of

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MPs when they arrive at Westminster after the general election on June

:25:34.:25:36.

the 8th. In the meantime BBC Parliament will have the key

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speeches from the election in fall and uncut as well as all the big

:25:42.:25:45.

campaign events. But for now from all of us Cabaye.

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