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Hello there and welcome

to the programme.

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Coming up:

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the government distances itself

from Donald Trump's decision

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to recognise Jerusalem

as Israel's capital.

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But...

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The process has to move on. If the

process was derailed by this that

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would compound the helpfulness of

the decision.

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The opposition rejects further

consultation on paying

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for social care in England.

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They consulted on this during the

general election, and they were

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rejected by the electorate.

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And the government's urged to speed

up efforts to tackle homelessness.

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The Government only committed itself

to a limiting rough sleeping by

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2027. My lord, why does it take ten

years?

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But first: a Foreign office

minister has repeated

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the government's disagreement

with United States President,

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Donald Trump over his decision

to recognise Jerusalem

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as the capital of Israel.

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There's been a growing

chorus of condemnation

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over the announcement.

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Saudi Arabia called it

"unjustified and irresponsible",

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while France said it did not

support the move.

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President Trump's decision reversed

decades of US policy on one

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of the thorniest issues

between Israel and the Palestinians.

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Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister

Benjamin Netanyahu hailed it

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as "historic" and said he was sure

more countries would follow suit.

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In the Commons, Labour asked

an urgent question on the decision

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and the minister made it clear

where the UK stood.

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We disagree with the US decision to

move its embassy to Jerusalem and

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recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli

capital before a final status

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agreement. We believe it is

unhelpful in terms of prospects for

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peace in the region. The British

entity to Israel is based in Tel

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Aviv and we have no plans to move

it.

There was a reason that before

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yesterday no other country would

locate its embassy in Jerusalem and

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no other country would recognise

Jerusalem as Israel's capital,

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because to do either thing, let

alone both of the same time, confers

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legitimacy on Israel's occupation of

East Jerusalem, an occupation with

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no basis in international law and

which is a permanent barrier to

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achieving a political settlement

that we all wish. The sheer

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recklessness of that decision needs

no debate. Donald Trump is not

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crying fire in a crowded theatre, he

is the liberally setting fire to the

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theatre. And then he has the

unbelievable cheeks to pretend he is

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doing this to move forward the peace

process when in reality, he is

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setting it back decades.

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The minister said the question

was how did the UK

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government respond now.

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I think it is imperative that the

work that the President's and boys

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have been doing, that have shared

with a number of parties, we now

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need to see this. These needs to

come forward and more quickly than

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perhaps people anticipated and then

we can see what there is to work on,

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for friends about of Israel and the

Palestinians, so the process has to

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move on. If the process was derailed

by this, that would compound the

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young helpfulness of the decision.

If the president has a cunning plan

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which he has not shared with any of

his allies, and I invite my right

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honourable friend to speculate when

it might be?

I have no intrigue into

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the thinking of the president of the

United States, but as everything in

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his whole business is used one way

or another, just possibly, there are

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those within the State of Israel who

will recognise... And maybe when

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push comes to shove, that might be

some assistance.

We do share the

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values of tolerance, inclusion and

respect across these islands. Taking

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this into consideration, will the

Secretary of State today completely

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rule out a state visit from

President Trump and send out a clear

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message that his divisive and

reckless actions are not welcome

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here?

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Alistair Burt said an invitation had

been made, but no date had been set.

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The Minister confirm that if we are

to maintain that he will maintain a

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robust position with the states to

seek a two state solution, although

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it is suggest...

He will be aware

that one of the most grievous

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consequent as of this position is

the impact on Palestinian public

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opinion. More and more people are

giving up on a two state solution

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and with Britain cosmic detail or

historical response abilities would

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not now be the time to recognise

Palestine as a state?

Recognition of

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the State of Palestine I do not

think is necessarily a consequence

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of what we have heard yesterday. It

is not a tit-for-tat. It is more

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important than that. Accordingly, it

should be a decision made by the

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United Kingdom at a time when we

believe it is in the best interest

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of the process of peace. That is the

view and that is the view for now.

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If the reality that the peace

process has been stalled for 24

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years, since 1993 and what would you

need now following this announcement

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is direct peace talks between the

state of Israel and Palestinian

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representatives, and if can get from

the United Nations, a brokered

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position whereby this peace talks

start, actually, this could end up

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being quite a good decision.

I have

no sense that yesterday's decision

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made a contribution to advancing the

peace process will stop Trump's

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desperation to take off every ill

judged device of campaign sound bite

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now threaten the peace process in

one of the most volatile

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geopolitical regions of the world.

The Government welcomes his reports

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of a two state solution. Mr Nesbitt

Copper Little when his actions,

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coupled with the expansion of

Israeli illegal settlements make the

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prospect of a two state solution

more distant than ever. The

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Government clearly has limited

ability to influence the US position

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actually it is now time to listen to

the clear will of this House to

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confirm UK commitment to a two state

solution by recognising the state of

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Palestine as we do the state of

Israel.

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Well, Alistair Burt said

a collective decision had to be made

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about when the time was right to do

that, but he added the views

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of colleagues were well known.

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Now, MPs have been told that a cap

on social care costs in England,

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due to come into effect in four

years' time, is to be scrapped.

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The cap of £72,500 on an

individual's care costs was brought

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in following the recommendations

of the Dilnot commission in 2011 -

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and had already been put

into an Act of Parliament,

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but the Government says

there will now be a fresh

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consultation on the future

system of social care.

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The minister was making

the statement following a vote

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by MPs earlier in the year.

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The Prime Minister has been clear

that the consultation will include

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putting a limit on the care cost

individual face to aloud be fuller

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engagement... And the latest paid

for, we will not be taking forward

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the previous government's plans to

implement care costs -- a cap on

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care costs in 2020.

This is a

shameful waste of taxpayers money.

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Over £1 million of today's money was

spent on commissioning to review and

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it is a waste of Parliamentary time

and it is no good for the Minister

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to say that the Government are

consulting on this. They consulted

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on this during the general election,

Mr Deputy Speaker, and their

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proposals were rejected by the

electorate.

Can we start looking

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seriously at some of the challenges

that we faced with an ageing

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population? I think the Government

has had its head in the sands.

In

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the absence of provision that I

might make and indeed Delmont might

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have encouraged me to make, is it

reasonable for me to expect for my

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social care costs to be paid for by

the state and yet my heirs to

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inherit my substantial housing

assets?

I think my honourable friend

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in a nutshell actually summarises

one of the debates that we have to

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have in the space, which is, how do

we ensure that people can achieve

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care when they need it and that it

can be pay for it whilst at the same

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time achieving intergenerational

fairness?

I should welcome the idea

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of a green paper. Halley can

actually build a party consensus for

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the long-term. A change is going to

be years away from that green paper

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and the problems are here and now

for local councils and this... We

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estimate next year there will be a

funding gap of £2.6 million, so what

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is the Minister going to do about

that? Where's the money to make sure

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that an inadequate social care

system does not get even worse next

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year?

Clearly, local authorities

more than any other constituency in

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this space, are desperate for a

solution as I think it is incumbent

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on all of us to actually have a

construction discussed at the best

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constructive discussion about a

solution to this.

The key issue is

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that this is causing misery for

thousands of people now. I am 53, Mr

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Deputy Speaker. Will my vote would

be suffering the same level of

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misery about my care costs in the

next but Sako 30 years? -- in the

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next 30 years.

I think we were clear

and the general election we just had

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that we will be revisiting this

issue.

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A Liberal Democrat raised

a problem over back pay

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for overnight shift staff.

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HMRC said workers were owed

the minimum wage for every hour

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of an overnight stay

at a residential care home.

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Previously, employers had been given

the all-clear by the government

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to pay sleep-in staff

a flat rate of about £30.

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Many providers say the bill for six

years' back pay is unaffordable.

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If that is not sorted very soon, a

number of very reputable charities

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and organisations might go bust.

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The minister accepted it was a big

issue but said the government

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was working with care providers

to address it.

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You're watching Thursday in

Parliament with me, Alicia McCarthy.

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MPs have pressed the Government

for more urgent action to tackle

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what they say is a "crisis"

in prisons in England and Wales.

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Ministers have put forward

a Prison Safety and Reform Plan

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with measures to tackle drug abuse,

recruit more staff and create

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new prison places.

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But a Justice Committee report

warned of a rapid deterioration

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in safety driven by a population

at a historic high - now at more

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than 86,000 inmates.

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The report was the focus

of a debate in the Commons.

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We can't avoid the reality, that our

prison system has reached a stage

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where we have to use the -- the

phrase, a crisis. It does not come

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lightly to me. The truth is that we

simply

incarcerate too many people.

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Particularly people with mental

health problems, a staggering

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percentage of people in prison have

mental health problems. Or a

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learning disability or autism. And

actually be ought to be investing

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more in keeping people out of prison

and getting them the treatment that

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they need to help them to avoid the

criminal justice system in the

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longer run.

We need to be much more

discerning and to do that, we need

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to have a much more sophisticated

approach to our penal policy. We

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have been putting in place genuinely

robust alternatives for those who

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are not a threat and a danger to the

public and can be reformed without

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going to present.

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MPs turned to other problems

including violence and drugs.

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Assaults on staff continuing to

rise, and when we see the number of

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hospital admissions continuing to

rise there is some real challenge in

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the system. I would contend there is

a challenge because of reduction and

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resource, there is a challenge

because of reduction in staff.

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There's also a challenge because a

reduction, sorry an increase in the

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amount of psychoactive substances

and drugs getting to present.

There

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are gang operations going on within

the presidents that are putting

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pressure on some offenders to go out

on licence halfway to their

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sentence, and incredibly are almost

driven to reoffend deliberately to

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break their licence, to then go back

into prison and ordered to smuggle

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more drugs back in. It is an

astonishing idea than the 21st

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century we have reoffending as a way

of making a living.

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There were concerns, too,

at the state of older

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prisons like Rochester.

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The all 1840s prayers and buildings

there are described as deplorable

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and deteriorating. -- 1840s prisons.

That impact under create meant which

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had been frozen in this present and

they way in which the situation was

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demoralising to staff.

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New prisons weren't popular either.

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The truth of the matter is we are...

Westminster is turning the old South

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goes into a homage of New South

Wales these are not my words these

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are the comments of Frances crook,

CEO of the... He went as far as to

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draw a parallel between infamous...

As a society affinity to be asking

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about the numbers of women and

jailed while the woman of a majority

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committed a nonviolent offence with

half of them in prison for theft. If

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prison is about rehabilitation as

well as punishment, what is the

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point of seven in ten women serving

12 weeks or less in jail? Recruiting

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more staff, investing in

intelligence and technology, ruling

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out a drug strategy... Giving more

power to the inspection, these are

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things that will solve issues in our

prisons. Spam always been to cult

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places to manage and will be so.

There are significant investment

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going into tackle the problems that

we have in our prisons. It will not

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be done overnight at the actions

that I'm outlining today sure

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determination our will to overcome

these problems and to make sure that

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prisons are places of safety and

also of reform.

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Sam Gyimah.

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With Christmas not far off

and a cold spell on the way,

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peers have said the government must

take emergency action

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to tackle homelessness.

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One Peer raised the

problems found in London

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and the work being done in the run

up to the festive season.

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We admire the work done by these

crisis organisations, and those that

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look after people for Christmas

only. This is a much greater problem

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than just Christmas, homelessness

has become desperate. I have come in

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contact with people trying to up

people recently, it is extremely to

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the Gulf.

My noble friend is right

about some of the particular

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challenges faced by London, she is

also absolutely right to pay tribute

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to crisis and also shelter both of

whom are presented on the advisory

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board that we have just set up in

relation to tackling the problem of

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rough sleeping, which you have put

£28 million into that amount of

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funding three pilots in the country

as well as the £20 million rough

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sleeping grant that are ready

exists.

As a possible we can do

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something more on the lines of an

emergency because wherever you go in

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our cities, whatever crisis or

shelter do, there are people out

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there, many of the mentally ill and

it is an absolute disgrace. It is

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nothing to do with human rights. We

have to move very quickly because

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these people are dying before our

eyes.

Pepe tribute to the mass of

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work that the noble Lord does in

this area. He and I visited

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Sheffield together and did see some

project worked out going on there.

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And other projects which are

considerable. There are complex

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problems cash with this command is

not just a straightforward problem.

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Some of these pilots will be looking

at the complex nature of this,

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wraparound help... Where working

with the Ministry of Justice and

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Rhett Laois into ex-offenders who

have a homelessness problem as well

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very much with rough sleeping. In

the budget never mind the minister

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that the government only committed

itself to a laminating WAFA sleeping

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by 2027. Why does it take ten years?

My Lords, the noble Lord as about

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that. We have committed to that and

it is a massive and combat problem

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as I've indicated. I think it is a

realistic timetable both up it is a

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national problem, it is not just

associated with our city, it is a

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national problem. I think it is a

realistic timetable but obviously we

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will be watching that, the noble

Lord will be holding our feet to the

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fire.

The work main causes is the

shortage of supply and the huge rise

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in cost of housing, particularly in

the renting sector. With the

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government not try to address at

least that part of the problem by

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engaging in a programme of the mass

of the building of pre-fabricated

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housing? As someone who was abroad

up very happily in a prefab, a come

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to bowl and affordable prefab,

register until my late teens can I

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recommend to him, strongly, that

this is a rapid and effective way of

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addressing a fundamental problem of

this 21st century.

We are engaged in

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the most ambitious house building

programme with targets of 300,000

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new homes per year by middle of the

20 20s. He is right about modern

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methods of construction as he

preferred to call these now rather

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than prefabs. User about how

important they are. About 15% of new

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homes are modern methods of

construction but we can get that up

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and we're looking at either doing

that.

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Lord Bourne.

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The Government faced criticism

in Westminster Hall over its

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rejection of all six recommendations

from the Women and Equalities

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Committee to get more women

to enter Parliament.

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The Chair of the Committee,

explained that, so far,

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progress had been slow.

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In the past 100 years since women

were first given the rights to vote

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and the rights to stand for

election, just 489 women have ever

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been elected to this place. I was

the 265th woman elected in 2005. We

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had record numbers of women in work,

women achieving record highs when it

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comes to education, but just a

handful have had the opportunity to

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use their skills and expertise to

represent their communities and this

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place.

Where you have one set of

people were tepid people, there are

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more likely to agree than disagree.

It is much better if you have people

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of different religions, sexuality,

gender and ability around the

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decision-making table because it

will make for better decision-making

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processes.

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Labour has used all-women

shortlists to boost

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the number of its female MPs.

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It is unacceptable that we look at

evidence very clear evidence that

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the heavy lifting and the reason

that we have more women in

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Parliament now is that in the last

election the Conservative Party went

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backwards. The Labour Party is

searched for words, and of them you

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wrong the Labour Party is in no

way... I have to apologise it is in

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no way thoughtless in this area but

it is willing to do the thing that

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actually works. It is willing to do

it at every single level of the

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political party also so every single

Perkin who sits on the seat has to

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be balanced. It is not because of

people who want to claim that there

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are great heroes of the movement, it

is because of women in the Labour

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Party fighting and bearing the

scars.

In most political parties

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individual consists... Constituency

parties are bodies who are

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determined to contain control over

this selection of candidates. I

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think we have to allow the parties

to have structures that allow those

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associations to have autonomy and I

know that a 1-size-fits-all solution

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is not going to give us the answer.

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Caroline Nokes.

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The Environment Secretary,

Michael Gove, says the Government

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will make an announcement next week

about recognising the principle

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of animal sentience and providing

stronger welfare protection

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in UK law.

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MPs voted not to incorporate part

of a European Union treaty

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into the EU Withdrawal Bill that

recognised animals could

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feel emotion and pain.

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Ministers argued that

the recognition of animals'

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sentience already existed in UK law.

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This sparked a row - not least,

over the reaction on social media.

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The vote was raised in the Commons

at Environment Questions.

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I along with many of my colleagues

have been contacted by constituency

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razor concerns over the vote on the

new clause in the EE withdrawal bill

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intended to weaken the protection of

animals. We are committed to the

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highest standards of animal welfare

however can you please provide

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absolute assurances of the so be the

case as we leave the EU?

She has

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been a consistent advocate for

animal welfare. It has been

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absolutely the case that we are

committed to ensuring batches that

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we recognise the pencil of animal

sentence that we provide appropriate

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and started production in UK law and

will be bringing proposal shortly by

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the detection.

The Secretary of

State was asked to confirm that

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article 13 of the Lisbon Treaty

which categorizes animals are

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sentient beings but pastor me

Bill... Here replied absolutely.

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What caused induce agree with

himself?

I am tempted to quote from

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the American power it, his name I

temporarily forget who made the

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point that I contain not to dudes.

We want to go further than

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existing... There is a bit of

legislative vehicle and we will make

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an announcement up that next week.

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Another impact of Brexit on animal

welfare was raised by the former

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Liberal Democrat Leader.

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Britain leads the world in food

hygiene and in animal welfare but

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that is at risk given the

Association reckons that's many of

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the that's FME EU and that many of

them are leaving. -- that's in the

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youthful. Vets in the VE you. On I'm

very grateful for raising this

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issue.

More than 90% of the

veterinarians come from the E U

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countries. My department have been

talking to representatives of the

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profession in order to ensure that

those who do a wonderful job

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continue to feel valued and also

ensuring the public of high

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standards of food hygiene.

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Finally, loyalty is a much-treasured

trait in politics,

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and it was clearly on display

in the Lords at question time.

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At the despatch box,

Lady Goldie strongly defended

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the Prime Minister's negotiating

stance in the Brexit talks -

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following Monday's

failure to agree a deal.

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But having stood up for her boss,

the Peer made it clear she wasn't

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going to give anything away

about the negotiations.

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Everyone will understand these are

sensitive and could tickle stage, I

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not going to be drawn on detail.

0:25:240:25:30

Lady Gouldie, refusing

to crack under the pressure

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of questioning about Brexit!.

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And that's it from me for now but do

join me on Friday night

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at 11 for our round up

of the week at Westminster.

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As the government tries to secure

an interim Brexit deal.

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But for now, from me,

Alicia McCarthy goodbye.

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